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'Wine Spectator' recommended Tokyo restaurants - Comments Please!

Charles Yu Apr 5, 2007 04:12 PM

In preparation for my next trip to Tokyo, I have initiated another bout of 'Chow' search. My current effort has led me to an article in the recent edition of Wine Spectator in which it highlights a list of recommended Tokyo restaurants with 'food and wine pairing tasting menus'. These include:

- Banrekiryukodo in Higashi Azabu
- Bird Land in Ginza
- Hishinuma in Roppongi
- Ohno in Ginza
- Tenpura Tenshi in Hirakawa - Chyo
- Enotica Ponchiorri in Ginza

Question: Has any fellow Chowhound given any of the afore mentioned a try?! How's the food? Any 'must try' amongst the list? I believe I have time to try two. But which one? Many Thanks!

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  1. steamer RE: Charles Yu Apr 5, 2007 07:24 PM

    If you can only go to two restaurants while in Tokyo, I don't think I would pick any of these. Though good, solid places they are not really "destinations." If you have the bucks go to Cucina Hirata (Said to be Tokyo's best Italian 2-13-10 Azabu-Juban Minato-ku, Tokyo 03-3457-0094) or for a more mind-blowing though costly dinning experience check out Ryugin. http://www.nihonryori-ryugin.com/cgi-...
    more pictures on my blog:
    http://www.omoshirogourmet.blogspot.com/

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      gkanai RE: steamer Apr 6, 2007 02:56 AM

      Cucina Hirata is good but overrated. There is better Italian in Tokyo than that.

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        steamer RE: gkanai Apr 6, 2007 04:17 AM

        Do tell, I haven't tried them all yet.

    2. gkanai RE: Charles Yu Apr 6, 2007 02:55 AM

      Can't say I've been to any of those. I wonder who the write at Wine Spectator was.

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        Robb S RE: gkanai Apr 6, 2007 04:42 AM

        Jeannie Cho Lee, according to the Wine Spectator website.

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          steamer RE: gkanai Apr 7, 2007 08:56 AM

          Still waiting to hear what you thought was better than Hirata's place. Wait a minute ... Robb knows everything. What places are better than Hirata?

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            Charles Yu RE: steamer Apr 9, 2007 08:15 PM

            Second Steamer's question! Also, would love to hear more about Ryugin, especially detail of some of the dishes served.

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              steamer RE: Charles Yu Apr 9, 2007 11:30 PM

              I'm pretty backed up at work right now, but I will try to post some more items from Ryugin on my blog. This place is entirely not about ego, we were sitting there for more than 2 hours and thinking jeez how does he make such unbelievably tasty food that makes you smile with its unique presentations. Great to eat the food of a truly creative chef who has deliciousness as his bottom line.

              Once again calling on the Robster for the Italian recs.

              Realdeal maybe you were here after the war? Your real street food Tokyo seems to belong to another time. Street steamers? Fish houses? Quasi dim sums? 10 year kombu broths? Never seen any of this stuff. Sounds like maybe you stumbled into a ramen shop and had a bowl of ramen and gyozas? It is cool to wander the streets but if you have limited time and have no idea where you are going you could just wind up wasting a lot of time and eating something mediocre, albeit in an exotic atmosphere. Then again if have the time, sometimes you find a little hole in the wall that will blow your mind.

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                Yukari RE: steamer Apr 14, 2007 10:20 AM

                Wine Spectator did not include this, but if you are looking for a wine and washoku experience, Toyoda in Ginza has amazing food and a great wine list.

                http://www.travelandleisure.com/resta...

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                  steamer RE: Yukari Apr 15, 2007 10:31 PM

                  In addition to knowing lots of good places to eat, the modest Yukari is a sommelier, so if she recommends Toyoda you can count on it.

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                    jicamasama RE: steamer Jun 21, 2007 10:22 PM

                    One of the best of the many terrific Italian restaurants in Tokyo is Ristorante Siciliano Masshu in Ginza -- tiny, out of the way place specializing in Sicilian. The chef's tasting menu -- he decides -- is out of this world and changes with the availability at Tsukiji, which is just a stone's throw away. Dinner only -- about 10,000 yen pp with excellent wine, spumante, coffee.
                    Less if you drink less, but you will find it difficult to go wrong if accept the captain's suggestions for the wine(s) to go with chef's decisions for tonight.
                    Ginza Stella Bldg. 2F, 6-2-12 Ginza, Chuo-ku
                    Tokyo 104-0061
                    03-3572-8623
                    Reservations a must -- only seats about 20 and it is becoming "discovered" beyond the few who first made it their local.

                    Also fun for appetrivo, lunch, less esoteric dinner, terrific Parma Ham, salame and reggiano is Ferrarini in the Italian Square area behind Shiodome/Shimbashi. Much more casual, VERY Italian place with excellent products from the source in Italy.
                    Shiodomeitalia Creative Centre 1F
                    2-14-1 Higashi-Shimbashi,
                    Minato-ku
                    03-6430-0486
                    bst
                    dg

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                      Charles Yu RE: jicamasama Jun 23, 2007 08:13 PM

                      Many Thanks! Your recommendations are most interesting. Will definitely make time to give at least one of them a try.

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                        jicamasama RE: Charles Yu Jun 24, 2007 09:53 PM

                        Charles:
                        just ate at Ferrarini again on Friday night and a great time -- four people, two bottles of great Italian red from their house wine operation in Italy for about 18,000 yen, all in, including appertivo (1730-1930 Tues-Fri (closed Mon)) for three of us.

                        Had a huge platter of Ferrarini prosciutto crudos, speck, lardo and salami plus two green salads to start, shared out linguine with artichokes, spaghetti pomodoro and risotto Milano (wrapped in proscuitto) and a selection of desserts including panna cotto, tiramisu and three types of gelati.
                        great fun and very casual.

                        Masshu is more formal (not in the dress sense, but in the food sense) and offers an incredibly interesting and creative tasting menu. Masshu will also do a complete non-meat tasting if you ask ahead and for a guest of ours who had gluten intolerance, with warning, they made all the pastas with rice instead of wheat -- not too shabby!
                        bst
                        dg

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                          HKTraveler RE: jicamasama Jul 25, 2007 10:12 PM

                          How would you compare Ferrarini with Il Mulino?

                          On Ryugin, any suggestions on which menus to take? Am debating between the 15k and the 21k. Will spend a couple of days in Tokyo next week and will try to pack as much eating in as possible! There are just too many good restaurants there!

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                            jicamasama RE: HKTraveler Aug 1, 2007 01:53 AM

                            Hi:
                            I haven't eaten at Il Mulino, but from the pix and reviews I would guess it is sort of apples and oranges.
                            Ferrariini appears to be a much more casual, modern "Italian" place -- sort of like, perhaps like, the difference between an Alessi coffeemaker and Bialetto. They both deliver the goods, the latter with a rather old world style, the other with a more modern touch.
                            Certainly, the hams and salami at Ferrarini can't beat for my money in Tokyo.

                            On another note, Masshu did a menu for my birthday last week based on baby goat, flown down from Hokkaido, that was out of this world.

                            Rare and wonderful in Tokyo.
                            bst

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                    Hot Chocolate RE: Yukari Aug 29, 2007 07:09 PM

                    Yukari-san,
                    are there any good wineries or sake factories that are interesting or fun to visit that you would be willing to recommend? (anyone else pls feel free to chime in). I'll be in Kyoto / Tokyo.

                    On another note, i went to http://www.kyoto.travel/ and emailed them to make a reservation for lunch at tenryu-ji shigetsu for lunch to try the buddhist cuisine because when i call the temple, they don't speak english and I don't speak japanese. well the kyoto travel people wrote back and helped me out. That's so cool!

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            Hot Chocolate RE: Charles Yu Aug 29, 2007 07:23 PM

            I went to Bird Land. It's "Bird" Land because of its devotion to chicken. In Ginza there's a massive Sony building / store. It's across the st in a basement. You'll need a reservation and it's mostly Japanese salary men getting drunk and eating yakitori from what i saw. Chicken is among my least favorite meats (I prefer duck, lamb, beef, pork instead) but the food was very tasty and in very typical Japanese style, very clean flavors with minimal use of seasoning only to enhance the natural flavors (Personally I call this bland but really this is my own opinion).

            The chicken was cooked to perfection if not perhaps a bit under done. Being american i was worried / scared about E Boli to some extent but really I was fine. The chicken was tasty ... I instead perferred the various home made tofu offerings and the vegetables they had. I'll go back there again next week and try to enhance my review. The people there didn't speak much japanese so learn some key words / phrases from your guidebook. The wine selection was impressive but expensive. It was a nice experience as the restaurant is big square with the cooks cooking in the middle of the square and random tables dotting the exterior of the square. It was fun to watch the masters at work.

            I had a good time and enjoyed it and will probably go back.

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              steamer RE: Hot Chocolate Aug 30, 2007 04:35 AM

              HC Just curious, if chicken is your least favorite meat and you find yakitori bland, (my note: the place is pretty expensive ) Why do you want to go back. You might want to check Vin Picoeur in ginza and maronouchi, they bill themselves a French bbq and the grilled pork is mighty fine as is the foie gras cooked over charcoal.

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                Hot Chocolate RE: steamer Aug 30, 2007 04:44 AM

                Glutton for punishment?
                I've only been there once and it's highly recommended among most of the american / western type guides (time out, wine spectator, etc) and i was willing to give it another shot to see if maybe that day i wasn't in the mood. plus i kind of liked the secret feel since it was hard to find and no one speaks any english. thanks for the tip on Vin Picoeur. I'll try to check it out on Sunday.

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                  steamer RE: Hot Chocolate Aug 30, 2007 08:52 AM

                  Don't do it--closed on Sunday, if you go another time you'll need a reservation.

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              grounded RE: Charles Yu Oct 14, 2007 09:53 PM

              Banrekiryukodo is excellent. Probably my favorite place to eat in Tokyo. The proprietor is very welcoming, speaks good English and the food is wonderful.

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                Uncle Yabai RE: Charles Yu Jan 29, 2008 11:06 PM

                I went to Tenshi today for lunch. It was recommended by a friend who I trust with these kinds of things. I thought it was quite good, and a "keeper" in terms of places to frequent regularly. While I was there, one of the waitresses brought me the Wine Spectator issue, and that's when it clicked that I had read about it here in Chowhound.

                I really don't get how Tempura would go well with wine, but whatever. I was there for the tempura, and it was pretty good.

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                  Asomaniac RE: Charles Yu Feb 17, 2008 10:06 PM

                  The restaurants on the list I have been to are absolutely fine, though none is "must-go". For great contemporary Japanese my favourite right now is Ryugin, absolutely incredible on so many levels, I don't know where to start. Even though I have tried this year to explore more and not go to the same restaurant twice, whenever I feel like good, contemporary Japanese I find it completely impossible to resist Ryugin, if I can get a booking. For some seriously good contemporary Italian, I recommend Ristorante Aso (Daikanyama) and its less amazing, but still very good, sister restaurant Argento Aso (Ginza). Angolo (Hiroo) is also very good

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