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Keramel Mar 29, 2007 07:00 PM

Hi all!

I bought some of these from a spice store the other day. I tasted one and I almost died it was so spicy, so I am a little afraid of them now. What do you do with them? If you have some basic recipe ideas, I would appreciate it!

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    mojoeater RE: Keramel Mar 29, 2007 07:18 PM

    I've never cooked with them, but love them when I eat Szechuan out. Most dishes involve savory broth, a good sauce, etc. They are not for the feint of heart.

    1. Kagemusha RE: Keramel Mar 29, 2007 07:27 PM

      Sounds like a bad case of "pa la"or "fear of heat," as Sichuan people say. A great place to start toward an understanding of the spice palette is Fuchsia Dunlop's "Land of Plenty"--doubtless the best Sichuan cookbook to date.Worth looking for since it allows anyone with access to ingredients to make legit DIY Sichuan dishes.

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        suse RE: Keramel Mar 29, 2007 07:38 PM

        Yikes! You bit into one! Wow. I toast them in a dry cast iron pan and then grind them w/ a mortar and pestle, sift the ground pepper through a mesh sieve and then mix it with salt. More salt than pepper. It is an amazing dip for fried chicken - or baked chicken, for that matter. I just did this the other day because I was feeling nostalgic for my time teaching in China in the late 80s, when we would go to the local "western" hotel for a dinner treat at their Chinese restaurant. Their "western" restaurant was horrible. Anyway, it was warm in there and we always ordered the fried chicken leg (the whole quarter w/ thigh, actually) which came with a little pile of this salt and pepper mixture. Best chicken in the world. This wasn't in Szechuan - I imagine they use the peppers there for all sorts of things, but I don't think they're meant to be eaten whole - kind of like black peppercorns - used whole for flavor, but ground for eating. So, anyway - the fried chicken legs....I know - it doesn't sound like what you think of when you think of Chinese food, but there's a reason Kentucky Fried Chicken was the first American chain restaurant to open its doors in China. It beat out Mickey D's! Oh, I actually add a little ground black pepper to my concoction. It's good with fried shrimp, as well. My recipe for dandan noodles uses ground peppercorns. I haven't made it yet, though. Next on my list.

        1. King of Northern Blvd RE: Keramel Mar 29, 2007 08:19 PM

          I really don't find them to be "hot "at all..They numb your mouth sure but that is their allure! Szechuan recipes usually call for added chiles or bean paste and that's where the fire comes from.

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            suse RE: King of Northern Blvd Mar 30, 2007 10:09 AM

            Not hot, just intense!

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              Dennis S RE: suse Apr 1, 2007 04:51 AM

              I agree, not hot, just intense. And they are powerful in a recipe. They can overpower everything else easily. I basically ruined a dish by pushing the inclusion of them similar to how I push chili, red pepper, black pepper in many dishes from all walks of life.

          2. lunchbox RE: Keramel Mar 30, 2007 04:36 PM

            Hey Keramel-
            Like the other posters mentioned- the flavor is intense with a different kind of heat than black pepper or chilis.

            I have a hand-crank grinder that I use after toasting the "peppercorns"- I usually wind up grinding an extra teaspoon of spices, jsut for kicks... I'd suggest tasting and grinding, then using these peppercorns inplace of black peppercorns on simple things like chicken and mild white fishes until you get an understanding of it's unique flavor characteristics. I have been known to toss a few in with the herbs and spices I grind for Italian tomato sauce, anything I stir-fry, and even scrambled eggs and popcorn.

            1. FoodFuser RE: Keramel Mar 30, 2007 06:27 PM

              Here's a few recent threads with lots of ideas:

              http://www.chowhound.com/topics/346182

              http://www.chowhound.com/topics/359509

              http://www.chowhound.com/topics/366257

              And don't miss this link to the "amateur God of Spices":

              http://www.uni-graz.at/~katzer/engl/Z...

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                Keramel RE: FoodFuser Mar 31, 2007 12:49 PM

                Thanks for these links, sorry for not searching before, I usually do but it slipped my mind.

                I will try this recipe tomorrow (linked from one of the other conversations) and report back!

                http://www.leitesculinaria.com/recipe...

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                  King of Northern Blvd RE: Keramel Mar 31, 2007 03:05 PM

                  That's a great recipe...

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                    Keramel RE: King of Northern Blvd Apr 1, 2007 06:57 PM

                    Wow! I am so happy I made this!

                    My friend and I found this quite delicious...it was a bit hot, but not too bad.

                    I didn't have the rice wine/sherry, I just used rice wine vinegar, I have no idea how good a substitute that was. Regardless, the meal was amazing! The spice built up slowely, at first it was mild and then by the end of the meal it was very hot...I encourage all of you to try it.

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                      suse RE: Keramel Apr 2, 2007 05:32 AM

                      Thanks for the report. I'll try it soon myself. The vinegar will certainly have given it a bit of a different flavor than intended, but it sounds yummy anyway. When you get a chance stop by a Chinese grocery and pick up a bottle of shaoshing (sometimes spelled with "x") wine - it's brownish in color - don't get the clear. Costs about 3-4 dollars. You'll love cooking with it. It's a staple in my kitchen.

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                        Keramel RE: suse Apr 2, 2007 07:52 AM

                        I tried to find Shaoshing in the Asian stores near my house but will keep trying...I really want to try to recipe to see how it affects the flavour.

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                          suse RE: Keramel Apr 2, 2007 08:57 AM

                          Amazed they didn't have it. Most places carry the yu yee brand. If you can't find it, replace it with sherry rather than vinegar. A lot of westernized recipes list cooking sherry instead of shao shing, but that just has a ton of salt in it.

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                            sel RE: suse Apr 2, 2007 09:25 AM

                            Be sure to check the labels as there is also Shao Xing Rice Wine for 'Cooking' that is cheap but has added salt. It's usually $2 - $3 per 750ml bottle. I usually splurge and get the 'gold lablel good stuff' for $5 instead of the red label that is slightly cheaper. It's Pagoda Brand.

                            http://www.pagodawine.com/web/engsjj.asp

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