first timer in SF
- oohlala Mar 19, 2007 07:00 AM
I'll be embarking my first trip to the Golden State of America. I am looking for local specialties that I can't find here in Toronto. There are very little selections for good mexican food here in Toronto, so I will definitely want to hit up some nice authentic mexican restos. The friend that I'll be staying with said the chinese food in SF is pretty much the same as TO, so i guess i'll forgo the chinese food (unless there are restaurants with special menus!). Any other recommendations for cheap eats?
Oh, i'll be at Emeryville, so i guess restaurants in berkeley, SF, and oakland will all be fine~ any ideas?!!
Will you have a car? What days will you be here? What does cheap mean to you?
Here's a recent link that pretty much coveres Emeryville.
Search on "International Blvd" for Oakland Mexican recs. Search "Mission Taco" for SF recs. If you go to SF, 24th St is a good central point for Mexican.
In the Tenderloin in SF there is lots of cheap eats along the Indian/Vietnamese line.
A good starting book to get an idea of area eats the "The Chowhound's Guide to the SF Bay Area".
Yeah, will you have a car, and how far are you willing to drive for great chow?
Here's a discussion of unusual ethnic cuisines we have in the area:
Here's a long topic on the Toronto board that has some in-depth discussion of the differences between SF and Toronto, including some opposite views about Chinese food:
To me the Chowhound guide is disorganized and random, sort of like a two-year-old core dump of the site. I'd get the new San Francisco Food Lover's Pocket Guide instead.
re: Robert Lauriston
Yeah, I'm still using the Chowhound Guide and still find most of it relevant. What it is is a good overview ... sort of a reader's digest of the board and starting there will give somone unfamiliar with the area a good feel for it ... besides it's not the usual dry guide. It's a quick read, filled with lots of info and often funny.
Nice to know that Unterman put out a pocket guide. I use the big book and the Chowhound Guide, but the the heavy format of the other book was too much to tote around. Come to think of it I didn't actually use it that much after reading through it, but another good source for somone out of the area. Will have to take a look at the pocket guide.
re: Robert Lauriston
wow, lots of information, thanx people, you've all been really helpful!!
So I was talking to my friend last night and we will be getting a car for the time when i'm there (great friend!). I'll be in cali around beginning of April for 6 days (Thurs to Tues). However, minus the day flying back, I only really get about 5 full days~
I showed him this thread and he seconds La Node. Town Hall looks like a great idea. Never know what "american comfort food" is, excited to check that one out for sure. My friend also mentioned about this great Thai place around his neighbourhood, with awesome thai ice tea~
Toronto has very little south east asian cuisine (besides vietnamese). So after going thru all the threads, I've narrowed down to few cuisines that I really want to try.
Yucatan and other Mexican specialities
How's the sushi in the Bay area? Great sushi often costs an arm and a leg here in TO. Any great recommendations for sushi in the moderate price zone (around $30 before tax and tips)? and are there any izakaya type of restaurants around? Went to Yakitori Totto in NYC not too long ago and had an amazing time. It'll be nice to go to a similar restaurant again.
Ok, you are going to have to search for these on your own on the board ...
Yucatasia ... a mix of Vietnamese and Yucatan food ... SF
El Rey Pakal ... in San Rafael across the bridge. Yucatan. Not everthing is great, but the weekend specials are worth checking out and you can read on the board what to order and what not to order.
If you go that route, on 580 if you take the 23rd St exit, there are a number of Mexican joints. This is a hard-core poor neighborhood, so be warned.
If you are lucky, the churro guy will be there. Lately he has been selling Friday evenings. Look for the crowd on the corner.
El Tapatio has mochajetes and chavindas
Pepitos I like a lot. Great chile verde and whatever bakery they buy their pan dulce from is the best in the area
Up a ways is a great Central American restaurant that has good pupusas - El Tazumal.
Basque doesn't seem to be as strong point in the area and I'm guessing Piperade is the best with a modern California slant. If you search on 'basque' you will find what else is out there.
You really should try Aziza ... Cal Moroccan. Not a cheap eat, but for the price, really worth it ... and pretty different.
Be sure to go the the Saturday morning farmers market at Ferry Plaza. Just the samples are enough for breakfast ... though it is hard to resist buying.
Not in the same class, but near you and interesting is the Old Oakland Farmers Markt on Friday. People really like All Star Tamales that are usually sold there. There's a place near there that serves average old-school Mexican-American chow but the tortillas are from heaven as are the house-made chips.
And you really should do California food ... like the slice of Cal Pizza from Arizmendi which is near you. Get a cheese roll there too. One of my favorite things in the Bay Area.
For a weekend breakfast is El Calaca Loca which has a gut-busting and wonderful $5 chiquiles breakfast using top fresh local ingrediants. I'd put this as Cal-Mexican done right. Hop across the street to Bakesale Betty's and get some fine baked goods ... especially the lamingtons.
And if upscaling a bit, go to Fonda on Solano after 9 pm for a break on some of the prices. For $5 you can get duck tacos with pomegranite seeds ... really tiny duck tacos, but still. Everything on that 9pm menu is good.
I would get XOX chocolates. A box of caramel, a box of peanut butter (if Canadians like peanut butter) and a box of mixed. They are in North Beach near Washington Square.
While these aren't the priciest chocolates a box of 20 will still run a little over $7. So if you want to go less expensive, if you don't have them in Canada, then See's chocolates.
I also like the almonds sold at the Ferry Plaza farmers market. I think it is Everything Under The Sun, but it might be Balakian. One of these guys bought the farm of the vendor I was crazy about. They original owners retired. Ask if they cold store the almonds. That would be the right vendor. Almonds have oil so they go rancid over time. So this farm cold stores the almonds and doesn't roast them until they are about to be sold. Best almonds I've ever had. They also have flavored almonds too.
I absolutely adore XOX chocolates (they are my favorite truffles in the world) but part of what makes them so great is their super-fragile shells - if it gets even a little warm, and the ganache softens, and you jiggle them box a little bit, the shells crack - and oops! You have to eat them all yourself... can't give cracked, melting truffles as a gift...
You'll see what I mean - these truffles aren't lined up in a box, they're piled into a mini-Chinese food takeout container. Straight out of the shop, they're firm, because the case is refrigerated, but once you let them warm up a bit (and you should, to really enjoy the flavor and texture), the centers become so soft, and the shells are so fragile, that the bottom ones collapse under the weight of the top ones. Oh, and with the exception of a few flavors, they're indistinguishable from one another. These aren't glossy, fancy little things with gold leaf and patterns to identify the flavor - they're cocoa-covered, rustic little nuggets of ganache. (My faves are caramel and cognac).
I took a box from Oakland to Pacifica (a 25 mile drive) and only the top layer came out intact... they still tasted great, but looked a mess. Unless you can keep them cold the whole way back, I'd just eat them myself, and find something more temperature stable for your friends.
I agree with you that Toronto's got some good Chinese grub, so skip the Chinese here. Since you're near Berkeley, do Chez Panisse Cafe if you can snag a table, or do some good Thai food at Plearn on University Ave. There's also La Note on Shattuck Ave. Both are good, casual, affordable places for some chow.
Whether you'll have a car or not, you should hit up a couple of places in the city. Here are some suggestions depending on what you'd like.
Go to Town Hall for dinner one night. It's American comfort food at its finest. It's rich and filling so bring an appetite! And don't miss the Butterscotch Pot de Creme. For some interesting and fresh Californian cuisine, try Coco 500. And for some fun Mexican go to Tres Agaves. It used to be co-owned by Sammy Hagar so you know it'll be fun. A16 is very Southern regional Italian. The pastas and pizza are beyond what you'll get in Toronto. You'll need to reserve tables in advance for any of these SF restaurants, so go to www.opentable.com to do that. You'll be glad you did. Tables fill up fast in S.F!
And one word of advice: never call it "San Fran" or "Frisco." No one who lives here does. Enjoy! :)
I have tried Marnee and a few years back when I knew nothing about Thai food, I used to like it alot. It pales in comparison to Thai House Express, Sajai, or even the Thai place on Mission between 25th and 26th. Marnee is sugary and makes too many concessions for those who cannot handle spice. Nothing at Marnee can compare to the briased pork leg; seafood curry over pickled greens, stringbeans and thread noodles (on the specials board); fried rice with dry fish, or even the pad thai with crab at Thai House.
re: Amy G
Agree with Amy G on Marnee. It is similar to Thep Pheonom on Waller. Overpriced, but for some reason there's lots of people who still go there. Maybe they were once "good", but certain people don't know or care whether the food is good, as long as the vibe is right, service, or there's a certain crowd they fell comfortable with.
Back from my 5 day trip to SF and still jetlagging...... anyway, i just want to thank you all chowhounds from the Bay area for some wonderful suggestions. Here are some of the highs and lows of the trip,
La Note in Berkeley:
Mussells in spicy saffron sauce (we couldn't stop requesting for more bread, so good!); Fish stew with assorted seafood (i didn't try any cause of my allergy to crabs/shrimp, but a must-order for my friend all the time when they go there); I ordered the snapper and it was edible, no wow factor.
Cheeseboard: 4 cheese and 4 onions for that day. We got 4 slices of pizza for 2.75, not too sure if the cashier knew what she was doing.......... anyway, one of the best pizza i've had, totally different than the ones in Toronto. Also had the pear scone, mmm~ yum yum!
Pastry shop next to walgreen, also on Shattuck, tried the macarons (pistacchio, chocolate, and strawberry), mmm~ so good! denser than i thought.
"Taiwan restaurant" on University in Berkley: Few authentic indigenous Taiwan dishes, great comparing to TO. I LIKE!
Town Hall on Howard: Asparagus soup, jumbo asparagus with ham and cheese, and andouille sausage for appetizer. Pork chop, lamb shank, and duck for main. Butterscotch pot de creme for dessert. Apps were disappointing, mains were awesome! Dessert really filled the cracks in our stomach!
Chutney (indian/pakistani) on Jones: Great tandoori fish, lamb vindaloo and fluffy naan. Didn't feel the spinash paneer. Average biryani. The people hanging outside that neighbourhood scared me.
Pelican Inn @ Muir beach: Rude service, i guess the little place is mainly making money from the locals, didn't seem to care about visitors much. Had the fish'n'chips, juicy fish, not my kind of tartar sauce though.
Overall, I'll definitely want to go back to SF to try out more bakery/pastry shops. There were few days where I was just saturated with sugar. Anyway, thanx again!
re: Ruth Lafler
oops, my bad~ yah, I believe it was called Masse's. It was diagonally across from the cheeseboard, it was a really small store.
Oh yah, I forgot to mention this in my earlier response. My friends and I also went to Burmese super star and since my friend's gf's family is from Burma, She said the food was pretty authetic. We waited for 2 hours and ended up getting takeout. I really enjoyed the flavours, however, i guess the kitchen must have ran out of food, so all the meat and potato we had in our stews were rock hard solid. I guess it must be from the 2nd batch. Oh well~
I didn't see any replies about sushi so...
If you're going to be in town on April 1st you might want to consider going to the Sushi & Beyond event put on by the Japan Society - http://www.usajapan.org/detail.cfm?id...
My favorite places are Hama-ko and Sebo but neither are "cheap", in fact, none of the board favorites are - Kiss, Anzu's sushi bar, Zushi Puzzle unless you eat quite moderately. Minako is more a home-style Japanese that also serves sushi but its quite good. I believe Ozuma might still have happy hour specials but I remember them being only the most generic stuff on their menu. Bar Crudo is not traditional sushi but a lot of people love it.
No Name Sushi on Church St is cheap but not good.
There used to be a little sushi fish market on Irving that was the "go to" place for locals wanting good sushi party platters or to get fish for making sushi and they had two tiny tables for those who wanted to eat in - but the ownership changed last summer and it went downhill drastically. I haven't heard whether they've managed to get the quality back up or not so I no longer recommend it.
That's all I can think of. You might want to do a search for "sushi" to see if anything interesting comes up.
I think you'll get good quality sushi in Rockridge at Uzen at your price point. They usually have a couple of specials flown in from Japan. If you're looking for burrito sized fusion rolls, this is NOT the place. Just good, simple food. The eggplant app. is the only real dud as far as I'm concerned.
5415 College Ave., Oakland (walking distance from Rockridge BART)
Lunch Monday-Friday; dinner Monday-Saturday