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lisabnyc Mar 15, 2007 10:10 AM

so my friends and i like to try new pizza places....we are getting to the bottom of our original list, so i thought i would turn to chowhound to possibly help add some suggestions to keep it going.

we've been to:
difara's
grimaldi's
lombardi's
johns
patsy's (harlem)
arturo's
gruppo
vinnie vincenz
adrienne's
lazzara's
una pizza napoletano
cronkite

totonno's and lucali are still on the list to try.

what's your favorite place that isn't on the list above?

Thanks so much!

  1. AdrienneK Apr 23, 2012 09:32 AM

    This list is great and very comprehensive. Lucali's is a must-try, especially if you want to explore an outer borough a bit (Brooklyn). Lombardi's is also wonderful, and in trendy Soho.

    You guys are missing some of New York City's best pizza though: dollar slices. It's super quick, super fast, super greasy... and so classic New York.

    Some recommendations:

    Mamani in the East Village. Classic, classic New York slice.

    2 Bros along St. Marks. Actually, there are two right next to each other. Who knows why 2 Bros put two locations side by side, but they're both awesome. And you can people watch all day long on St. Marks.

    Ray's on Broadway between 54th and 55th. Slices are often $.75, because they have a price war with 99c Fresh Pizza across the street. Grab a slice and check out Times Square nearby (if you dare).

    Cheers!
    Adrienne
    www.cheazza.com

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      Pan Apr 23, 2012 09:37 PM

      Do you seriously think the dollar slice places are some of New York's best pizza? And just for the hell of it, are there some pizzerias in New York that you don't like?

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        MacGuffin Apr 24, 2012 05:09 AM

        There's a 2 Brothers on Sixth Ave. and (I think) 38th St. that, for the money, is just fine. But in no way would I call it good pizza--the crust is soggy and doughy, the sauce is nondescript, there's too much not-very-good cheese, and the blaring music (in Spanish, no less) is an aural assault. But there are many, much more expensive pizzerias that are guilty of the same offenses and they charge more per slice, so at the current price of 75¢ (or even the non-combative regular price of $1), it's filling and a steal, especially if you get it to go. There are many inferior $1 slices out there so 2 Brothers is a standout in its class. It's also a hop, skip, and a jump from my apartment so it's my go-to when I want a nosh in the evening.

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          AdrienneK Apr 24, 2012 05:19 AM

          I think MacGuffin has it - the dollar slices are great for what they are. Plenty of New York pizzerias sell the same "classic New York slice" for $4 or more. They're greasy, satisfying and quick. Dollar slices are perfect for late-night snacks, quick lunches, etc. And it feels like an accomplishment to get food for a buck! Of course, I also like higher-end pizza like Lucali's or Otto's. But those types of pizzas are a different class from dollar slices, obviously.

          I didn't like Forcella all that much, for the hype that's gone into it. And I don't love 2 'N A Can's dollar slices. It's a pizza spot by Bryant Park.

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            MacGuffin Apr 24, 2012 07:14 AM

            Hmm...Bryant Park's just a stone's throw from 2 Brothers so I'll have to check it out (thanks for the tip!).

            The problem with the "classic New York slice" is that there are suddenly so few good ones anymore (WTF happened??) and they're often worse than my local 2 Brothers. There was a place called Giuseppe's just a block north of me on Sixth Ave. and 35th St. that was my go-to place for years and then, suddenly, it was gone with no warning whatsoever (I was told by a deli owner that the owner retired to Italy). And the pizza was really good--not as good, say, as Pizza Suprema (which I like lot) but the classic slice in a place owned and run by Italians and I could get it with eggplant as well. I'm really sorry they're gone but 2 Brothers does in a pinch.

            Again, if I'm in the neighborhood, I really like Frank's near Gramercy Park. It's a classic NYC slice with really standout sauce and it's $2, even for Sicilian. I happened upon it when I took a look at what the nearby $1 place was offering and just said "no."

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              AdrienneK Apr 24, 2012 11:28 AM

              Will have to try Frank's, I've never heard of it. Thanks!

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                MacGuffin Apr 24, 2012 03:53 PM

                You're welcome--post your impressions. :)

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          foodwhisperer May 15, 2012 02:46 PM

          Again, the $1 slices taste OK for about 3 seconds then the sauce kicks in, I think they add High Fructose Corn syrup or something to it. It leaves a horrible taste in your mouth. The dough made me feel bloated, but anyway, it wasn't too bad , not soggy not crisp, a lot of corn meal on the bottom. The cheese didn't seem terrible. The sauce though, makes me sick thinking about it. The one I went to was Roll and Go they have many all over, the city Canal St., Broadway, and more.

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        Rainbow_Brite Dec 27, 2011 03:28 PM

        I've never been to Roberta's, but I've only heard amazing things.
        Spumoni Gardens is worth the trek.
        Best Pizza on Havermeyer is heaven on earth.
        There are so many, I have a slice of Grimaldi's in my fridge that I am off to devour now!

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          hambone Dec 30, 2011 01:22 PM

          Spumoni is a great square but I'm not a huge fan of Sicilian. Recently a few foodies I appreciate have pointed out that you can get a round there...

          duh. I never thought of that.

          That is a long way to go for pizza. IMHO, if you are not in that area anyway, there is something better/as good closer.

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            stuartlafonda Jan 1, 2012 12:18 PM

            I was at Difara Wednesday and at 2:00 the wait was two hours. We quickly got back in the car and got to Spumoni Garden in few minutes. There was no wait, the pizza was excellent and it was inexpensive. I love Difara, best pizza in the world when he is right, but I really enjoyed L. And B.

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              racer x Jan 1, 2012 12:48 PM

              http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/4852...

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                bombadilio Jan 2, 2012 10:10 AM

                @Stuartlafonda, I still think L&B has the best Square street, but if you are going for the best street slice... nothing beats a mozzerella slice from Joe's Pizza.. NEVER

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                Joe's Pizza
                7 Carmine St, New York, NY 10014

                L&B Spumoni Gardens
                2725 86th St, Brooklyn, NY 11223

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                  stuartlafonda Jan 2, 2012 03:46 PM

                  My favorite street slice is Patsy's East Harlem. Though the slice I had at Joe's last month was very good. Now, the original post was about what else to try and I would suggest Rubirossa. Excellent, thin,with a good selection of toppings. I have been there very often in the last year and they are consistently good. They also do slices.

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                  Rubirosa
                  235 Mulberry St, New York, NY 10012

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                    foodwhisperer Jan 11, 2012 09:27 PM

                    Tre Sorelles on Reade St, very good pizzas, large and small. wood burning oven.

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                    Tre Sorelle
                    61 Reade St, New York, NY 10007

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            foodwhisperer Dec 14, 2011 08:56 PM

            I went to Patsy's in harlem for the first time. The sauce was excellent. The dough was excellent. The cheese was excellent. The pizza was almost excellent, it could have been cooked a tad longer making it more crispy. I will be back. it was alot better than Lombardi was last week. I wonder how the food is in the restaurant part of Patsy's

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            Patsy's Pizzeria
            2287 1st Ave, New York, NY 10035

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              Pan Dec 20, 2011 03:28 AM

              My previous experience has been, if anything, the pizza has charred a bit too much, causing a bit of a bitter carbon taste, but still, really good, Apollonian pizza margherita.

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              jlalala Aug 31, 2011 12:21 PM

              South Brooklyn Pizza in the East Village. It's TINY, and hands down a must. I've taken everyone I know, and it's amazing.

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              South Brooklyn Pizza
              122 1st Ave, New York, NY 10009

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                Pan Aug 31, 2011 04:24 PM

                Yes, it's very good, and it's open very late (until 4 or 5 AM).

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                  kathryn Aug 31, 2011 10:29 PM

                  There's one in Greenwich Village now, too. 190 Bleecker St. at MacDougal. Very gutsy, opening up right by Ben's, Artichoke, Joe's!

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                  Joe's Pizza
                  7 Carmine St, New York, NY 10014

                  Ben's Pizzeria
                  123 MacDougal St, New York, NY 10012

                  Artichoke
                  111 MacDougal St, New York, NY 10012

                  Percy's Pizza
                  190 Bleecker St, New York, NY 10012

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                    small h Jan 11, 2012 06:19 PM

                    I had a mushroom slice there earlier today, and while I wouldn't go all the way to amazing, it's an excellent choice for anyone who wants this style of pizza, but doesn't want a whole pie. The crust is faultless, and the tomato sauce very fresh (although it did need a little salt). I would have liked more cheese, but since I already eat enough cheese for three people, maybe it's just as well that it was applied with a light hand. I was also impressed with how exacting the counter guy was with the basil distribution, like he was working from a schematic. It's nice to see such attention to detail!

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                    South Brooklyn Pizza
                    122 1st Ave, New York, NY 10009

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                    melissa511 Jun 2, 2011 07:36 AM

                    Jon Stewart mentioned several of those places (see original post) in a hilarious bit last night about Donald Trump's choice of a mediocre pizza chain restaurant when he dined with Sarah Palin.

                    http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed...

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                      Pan Jun 4, 2011 01:29 AM

                      Thanks for the link. That was funny and captured a lot that's true about real New York pizza. And though I have to dissent from his recommendation of Lombardi's, I'm sure it's still better than Famous Famiglia. :-)

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                      dniche May 10, 2011 10:42 AM

                      Motorino...best pizza in the city.

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                        H Manning May 10, 2011 10:48 AM

                        I agree. Motorino is my favorite, but also try Rubirosa and Saluggi's for non-Neapolitan style pizza.

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                        Saluggi's
                        325 Church St, New York, NY 10013

                        Motorino
                        349 E 12th St, New York, NY 10003

                        Rubirosa
                        235 Mulberry St, New York, NY 10012

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                        deeny100 May 2, 2011 05:02 PM

                        I love thin crust pizza. Spunto's in the West Village is one of my faves. They also have a spot on W18th called Postos.

                        I just tried a place in Harlem called Bad Horse and it was damn good. Crust was crispy thin, right ratio of cheese to sauce. Just good. Everyone at the table was raving. The atmosphere of the place is nice. BYOB until they get their license. Its nice to have a real pizza spot in West Harlem!

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                        Posto
                        310 2nd Ave, New York, NY 10003

                        Spunto
                        65 Carmine St, New York, NY 10014

                        Bad Horse Pizza
                        2224 Frederick Douglass Blvd, New York, NY 10026

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                          racer x Aug 6, 2011 04:25 PM

                          Had some Spunto's last night. Pretty good stuff, though I've had better in the city.
                          Crust is really thin. Sauce was sweeter than most (maybe even too sweet). Would have been better with more cheese imo.

                          Place seems to be pretty popular -- most of their tables were occupied, compared with 900 Degrees down the block, which was empty. (To be fair, 900 Degrees just opened recently.)

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                          Spunto
                          65 Carmine St, New York, NY 10014

                          900 Degrees
                          29 7th Ave S, New York, NY 10014

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                          Khotso98 Oct 21, 2010 11:34 AM

                          V&T Pizzeria & Restaurant
                          1024 Amsterdam Ave.
                          New York, New York
                          212-666-8051
                          212-663-1078

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                          V&T Pizzeria
                          1024 Amsterdam Ave, New York, NY 10025

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                            nooyawka Jun 18, 2010 05:15 PM

                            L&B Spumoni Gardens' regular slice (well done) is fast becoming my go-to NYC slice.
                            You have to try Umberto's of New Hyde Park's grandma slice even though it's in Nassau.

                            1. daffyduck Mar 16, 2010 02:29 PM

                              never had it but keste's nutella pizza looks ridiculous.
                              http://www.alwayshungryny.com/thought...
                              i checked their website but they dont seem to have a dessert menu. does anyone know if this item is still being offered?

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                              Keste Pizza & Vino
                              271 Bleecker St, New York, NY 10014

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                                foodismylife Mar 16, 2010 02:41 PM

                                THE NUTELLA IS OFF THE SCREEN AWESOME
                                WITH FRESH STRAWBERRIES,KIWIS BLUEBERRIES ETC ETC IT IS A WONDERFUL THING
                                ROBERTO HAD A RELATIONSHIP WITH a mANO IN rIDGEWOOD nJ WHICH REMAINS A SPECTACULAR PLACE AND MON THRU THURS BUY ONE GET ONE FREE AND IT IS A BYOB WORTH THE SCHLEP FOR SURE
                                sorry for the caps too lazy to re type i am old and in the way but i for sure know my food

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                                MissDarling Mar 16, 2010 11:03 AM

                                Ummm why do I live in Toronto?!
                                I need work out for 5 months and then do a Pizza only New York trip.

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                                  Mikelawyr2 Mar 16, 2010 12:59 PM

                                  1. I'm from New Haven. Pepe's and Sally's, man. Pepe's and Sally's. Pepe's for the white clam (order it light on the garlic and oil). Sally's for the hot cherry pepper pie.

                                  2. Also Bar in New Haven. Outtasight! Also Modern. Modern's popular because you can get in.

                                  3. East Haven's secret: Minervini's.

                                  4. NYC street pizza: Italian Village, 80th and First. I won't move outside the delivery area.

                                  5. Di Fara, when you can.

                                2. rebus03 Feb 23, 2010 04:22 PM

                                  I think the following belong up there as well:
                                  John's
                                  Lazarra's
                                  PIe

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                                    lisabnyc Feb 25, 2010 06:53 AM

                                    john's and lazzara's are already on the list above. will have to check out Pie, thanks!

                                  2. CantStopEating Feb 22, 2010 11:28 AM

                                    Ok, since this conversation got a bit out of control in length and I already suggested Sal & Carmine's (despite its saltiness), I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest some of the 99 cent pizza places. NOT because they're delicious but because for 99 cents, you'd expect worse.

                                    www.inbundles.com

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                                      racer x Feb 22, 2010 04:25 PM

                                      Well, that limb you're on needs to be sawed off.
                                      A low-cost pizza is not a good chow value unless it's also delicious. I think most of us are interested in food that tastes good, whether low-cost or bank-breaking, not in mediocre or bad food that's cheap.

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                                      alessandroacq Feb 22, 2010 11:14 AM

                                      Co. in Chelsea shouldn't be missed!

                                      1. the1arianna Jan 28, 2010 08:20 PM

                                        I love Two Boots, try “The Bird.” Joe’s in the West Village is pretty good too and almost always open.

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                                          miacara5 Jan 27, 2010 02:27 PM

                                          DEFINITELY Bleecker Street (a NY classic -- maybe my favorite slice in NY) and Maffei's (grandma). For a more modern slice: Company (Jean-Georges' place) is freaking good, and Keste.

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                                            lisabnyc Jan 27, 2010 08:27 AM

                                            Vtisited Gnocco for the pizza last night, thanks to recs from this board. Ordered the Tartufata (fresh mozzarella, truffle sauce, mushrooms, and speck) and a Margherita. Both pizzas were suprisingly good, but the Tartufata was definitely the fave here. The crust was super thin, crisp and perfect.....but it did get a little wet in the center towards the end. So I would not recommend for delivery, but if you live in the EV area, give it a shot!

                                            1. daffyduck Jan 19, 2010 02:25 PM

                                              motorino's zeppoli. it's a fried pizza with powdered sugar. i don't know if the manhattan location has it

                                              1. daffyduck Jan 17, 2010 02:32 PM

                                                didn't read through every comment but bleecker street pizza's nonna maria and grandma slice are pretty awesome

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                                                  JBen Jan 20, 2010 04:45 PM

                                                  Agreed. The Nonna Maria from Bleecker Street Pizza (northeast corner of Seventh Avenue South and Bleecker) is wonderful.

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                                                  elquijote Jan 17, 2010 08:43 AM

                                                  You might want to check out Dee's in Queens (Forest Hills) for something a little different . . . nice sauce, big white slabs of fresh mozz and a pastry-like crust

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                                                    foodsnob14 Jan 17, 2010 08:50 AM

                                                    Lil Frankies on the LES is my absolute favorite!

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                                                      elquijote Jan 17, 2010 09:02 AM

                                                      have you tried Lee's on SI?

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                                                    elquijote Jan 17, 2010 08:16 AM

                                                    have you tried lee's tavern on staten island? order the 'bar pie' and ask for fresh mozz . . . it's made in-house . . . don't be fooled by the appearance of the place . . . it's one of new york's best kept secrets for pizza

                                                    1. CantStopEating Jan 11, 2010 09:34 AM

                                                      Sal & Carmine's on the UWS for sure! It is family run and the pizzas are made by the restaurant's namesake (Carmine man's the pizza since Sal passed away in the summer - RIP). They pizza is my favorite slice joint in the city. The pizza is perfect from the first bite to the crust. It's salty, cheesy and crispy just how a pizza should be. Goes perfect with a beer. Second to none

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                                                        Pan Jan 13, 2010 01:36 AM

                                                        I'm glad you said "salty." I found the crust almost inedibly salty the last time I went there, within the past year or so.

                                                      2. daffyduck Jan 10, 2010 08:19 AM

                                                        motorino's-brussel sprout and pancetta pizza. i agree with the others on artichoke's square, it has a very tasty sauce. if you're willingly to go out to queens, Rosa's is pretty good. They have three locations I believe. I've only been there a few times but my favorite slice out of the ones I tried was the lassagna slice.

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                                                          LBNJNY Jan 10, 2010 02:03 PM

                                                          I love Pasita on Eighth Ave just below 14th St. The white pizza with honey and herbs is divine, the proprietor is a doll and the wines by the glass are excellent.

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                                                          pupa Jan 7, 2010 09:21 AM

                                                          I lived in italy for many years and am a pizza snob you must try: keste on bleeker if the wait is uber hours go to NO 28 on carmine (around the corner), La Pizzaria Fresca on 21st street.

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                                                            lisabnyc Jan 7, 2010 12:16 PM

                                                            thanks. been to keste, although i put a typo in it above...really good. going to try the other 2 soon!

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                                                              steakrules85 Jan 8, 2010 06:47 AM

                                                              How does Otto compare?

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                                                                lisabnyc Jan 10, 2010 09:25 AM

                                                                i don't care for otto honestly. i'd much rather go there for wine than pizza.

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                                                                  kathryn Jan 10, 2010 01:14 PM

                                                                  Otto's pizza is not that good. Honestly, my ideal meal there includes the antipasti, the meat board, the cheese board, a salad, some pastas, and gelato. The pizza is skippable.

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                                                              lisabnyc Jan 7, 2010 07:45 AM

                                                              as the original poster of the super long thread, i was happy to see it pop back up on chowhound this morning. i decided to update my list of pizzerias i've tried since this was posted, including the ones above. thanks to your suggestions, i have found some great spots.....and i'm not done yet....keep those recommendations coming!

                                                              difara's
                                                              grimaldi's
                                                              lombardi's
                                                              johns
                                                              patsy's (harlem)
                                                              arturo's
                                                              gruppo
                                                              vinnie vincenz
                                                              adrienne's
                                                              lazzara's
                                                              una pizza napoletano – CLOSED
                                                              pizzeria de santo - CLOSED
                                                              cronkite - CLOSED
                                                              totonno’s (coney island)
                                                              lucali’s
                                                              angelo’s
                                                              artichoke
                                                              brick oven 33
                                                              ciao bella
                                                              co.
                                                              da nico
                                                              dean’s
                                                              don Giovanni
                                                              famous ben’s
                                                              franny’s
                                                              fornino
                                                              patsy’s (university)
                                                              giorgione
                                                              joe’s
                                                              kests
                                                              l’asso
                                                              lil’ frankies
                                                              motorino
                                                              pala
                                                              café’ centosete
                                                              three of cups
                                                              san marzano
                                                              puglia
                                                              ray’s (prince street)
                                                              risotteria
                                                              two boots
                                                              luzzo’s
                                                              vinny vincenz
                                                              waldy’s
                                                              nick’s
                                                              frank pepe’s (new haven)
                                                              modern (new haven)
                                                              otto
                                                              sam’s

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                                                                Pan Jan 8, 2010 12:14 AM

                                                                Which ones do you like?

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                                                                  guttergourmet Jan 10, 2010 07:00 AM

                                                                  Nice list-been to almost all of 'em. I'd add Louie & Ernie's and Zero Otto Nove in da Bronx, Nick's in Queens, Denino's in Staten Island, Maffei's and Veloce in Manhattan
                                                                  http://www.alwayshungryny.com/thought-for-food/entry/alwayspartying-national-sausage-pizza-day/
                                                                  If you want to blow your mind on someplace entirely wierd try the Pizza Capital of the World
                                                                  http://www.alwayshungryny.com/thought...

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                                                                    a_and_w Jan 10, 2010 07:26 AM

                                                                    I started out thinking "those pictures look vile." But by the end, I was admittedly intrigued LOL!

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                                                                      steakrules85 Jan 10, 2010 08:29 AM

                                                                      Is this your blog guttergourmet? I love your site.

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                                                                        guttergourmet Jan 12, 2010 06:07 PM

                                                                        I am merely a humble contributor. Founded by the great Jeff Zalaznick, edited by former NYT writer Arthur Bovino and photographed by Maryse "Hungry Goat" Chevriere and a great team of epic foodies.

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                                                                        guttergourmet Jan 24, 2010 09:23 AM

                                                                        Sam's on Court Street in Brooklyn

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                                                                          lisabnyc Jan 25, 2010 08:45 AM

                                                                          actually, sam's is on the list. went there prob a little over a year ago.... definitely a cool spot, but the crust was a bit on the heavy side for me.

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                                                                            elquijote Jan 26, 2010 04:03 PM

                                                                            agree with you about the crust at Sam's . . . but Louie is the draw there . . . he's hilarious

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                                                                          lisabnyc Jan 28, 2010 08:00 AM

                                                                          OH goodness, i can't believe I left Zero Otto Nove off of my list...it's one of my favorites! their mozzerella is sooo good.

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                                                                          elquijote Jan 17, 2010 08:28 AM

                                                                          recently tried San Marzano and found the pie to be 'swampy', as is the case with a lot of pies with mozzarella di bufala . . . tasty nonetheless

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                                                                          71 Clinton St, New York, NY 10002

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                                                                            elquijote Jan 17, 2010 08:32 AM

                                                                            lisa . . . i'm going to try Lil' Frankie's next saturday . . . how would you rate it?

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                                                                              lisabnyc Jan 22, 2010 08:44 AM

                                                                              so sorry - just saw this . i haven't eaten at lil' frankies in a while, but i always thought it was just average. for east village pizza, i would go to motorino or luzzo's over it personally.

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                                                                                elquijote Jan 22, 2010 05:34 PM

                                                                                have been to both motorinos (williamsburg & east village) and luzzo's , , , wasn't impressed at all with luzzo's . . . coming up from philly to try mezzaluna, numero 28 & lil' frankie's tomorrow . . . lisa, you should really check out lee's tavern on staten island . . .

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                                                                                  kathryn Jan 23, 2010 07:33 AM

                                                                                  IMO the crust as Motorino is much more flavorful than the Luzzo's crust. I liked Luzzo's but find it a bit bland.

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                                                                                    lisabnyc Jan 23, 2010 01:39 PM

                                                                                    let us know what you thought...maybe things have changed.

                                                                                    i have a list of places to go in staten island once things warm up a bit - Lee's is definitely on it! thanks!

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                                                                                      elquijote Jan 26, 2010 04:01 PM

                                                                                      Pizza Mezzaluna @ 146 w. houston is a must . . . best vera pizza napoletana I've had . . . the mozz di bufala was fresh and so delicious . . . was unimpressed with the pie at Lil' Frankie's . . . the sauce was 'pasty' and the mozz was ordinary . . . also tried the margherita reginella at Numero 28 on carmine street . . . the pie . . . was 'swampy' and a bit too salty . . . quite sure they didn't use mozz di bufala . . . Pizza Mezzaluna will not disappoint!

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                                                                                chicfille Aug 22, 2010 04:37 PM

                                                                                what thinks thee about Serafina?

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                                                                                radioking Feb 21, 2009 08:16 PM

                                                                                My first post on chowhound. Man, I remeber chowhound back in 97 with Jim Leff but hey.. all good..

                                                                                I just want to say as a pizza junkie ( aren't we all ? ) tha I got a slice at Artichoke a few weeks ago ( tomato sauce) and it was absolutely GREAT !!. Really really really good. My other go to spot is suprema on 8th and 33rd where I always get a grandma.

                                                                                I never can bother with pies, I'm a slice guy..

                                                                                Thanks all !!

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                                                                                  pork_buns Jan 7, 2010 05:29 AM

                                                                                  I'm honored to be reviving this link around one year after the last post and THREE years after the original post! I firstly want to thank everyone for the amazing suggestions; I've read through every post and have been furiously making notes with the intention of trying at least a half dozen of the suggested pies. I also want to say that I agree with the posts about Artichoke (though unfortunately they have no seating) and Gruppo, and to add, even though it'll mortify purists, that the best pizza I've ever tasted (and I've eaten from the original source in Napoli!), was a slice made with gruyere cheese in Switzerland. Weird, I know, but I ate that slice a quarter century ago and I still recall how unexpectedly delicious it was. I also used to love the strange seasonal pies they did at Gonzo in the West Village. In summer they'd have watermelon with proscuitto, and in winter they'd do pumpkin. Delicious! Thanks again, hounds.

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                                                                                    jpendress Feb 24, 2010 08:14 AM

                                                                                    Definitely Pizza Suprema on 8th @31st. I have been going there since 1977 and it is always great. The sauce has been the same since 77 - tangy and excellent.

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                                                                                    413 8th Ave, New York, NY 10001

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                                                                                      MacGuffin Jan 3, 2012 05:48 PM

                                                                                      How I missed Pizza Suprema, having worked and/or lived in the area since 1975, is beyond me but a colleague recently recommended it and I agree--it's excellent pizza. I also just discovered Frank's on E. 23rd St. and it's excellent as well. And FWIW, I've taken home (on the bus, no less) some great pies from the original Patsy's in East Harlem. Employees at PS and Frank's are extremely friendly and proud of what they produce, too. A pleasure to give such establishments my money.

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                                                                                      413 8th Ave, New York, NY 10001

                                                                                      Frank's Pizza
                                                                                      127 E. 23rd St, New York, NY 10010

                                                                                      Patsy's Pizzeria
                                                                                      2287 1st Ave, New York, NY 10035

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                                                                                        Pan Jan 4, 2012 02:54 AM

                                                                                        What style are Suprema and Frank's? New York gas oven?

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                                                                                          MacGuffin Jan 4, 2012 05:58 AM

                                                                                          I think so. They're classic NYC slices. I don't require brick to enjoy pizza.

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                                                                                            Pan Jan 4, 2012 11:53 AM

                                                                                            I don't either. Good is good.

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                                                                                              MacGuffin Jan 4, 2012 02:48 PM

                                                                                              We're on the same wavelength! :)))
                                                                                              You can get an excellent slice in both places. Frank's is kinda soupy because they use a lot of sauce (and my slice was hot enough that it didn't need reheating which I imagine further crisps the crust) but that's okay because I like to taste the sauce. The "gobs of cheese" thing isn't me--I like to taste everything in balance.

                                                                                              If you like Sicilian, try the "upside down" slice at PS. I've had it and the fresh mozz with basil and neither disappointed. They have Sicilian at Frank's, too, but I haven't tried it yet.

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                                                                                    chocolatebirthdaycake Feb 20, 2009 07:15 PM

                                                                                    L'asso - Located on Kenmare Street. Get the oie with mozz and a bit or gorg with thinly sliced pears - warning: you will want to make out with the chef.

                                                                                    P.S. They have a happy hour everyday that covers specially priced drinks and slices.

                                                                                    1. bosun Jan 20, 2009 04:30 PM

                                                                                      A must try is 089 trattoria on Arthur Ave in the Bronx. Amazing brick oven pizza! Not only is their margherita amazing, but their special pies, like la riccardo (Butternut squash puree, smoked mozzarella, pancetta, basil) is not to be missed.

                                                                                       
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                                                                                        racer x Jan 20, 2009 05:48 PM

                                                                                        Agreed.

                                                                                        http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/560496

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                                                                                          ian9139 Feb 15, 2009 03:19 PM

                                                                                          Yum, I had a delicious meal there last night. I actually thought other things (baby octopus app) were better than the la riccardo (couldn't really taste the squash puree), but the crust on that pizza was delicious.

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                                                                                          Pan Dec 4, 2008 07:37 PM

                                                                                          I see Cacio e Vino is not on this list. I think it may be one of the best values in New York, and among other things, their pizza is very good. So is their schiacciate, which consists of two very thin slices of flatbread with filling in between.

                                                                                          For those of you reading the raves about Luzzo's, I separately posted a downhill warning about being served rotten salad and less-than-great pizza there, so do keep in mind that things can change quickly in the restaurant world. So yeah, it used to be a contenda, but...

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                                                                                            xny556cip Dec 7, 2008 03:33 PM

                                                                                            Cacio is a great little place run by passionate Sicillians.The food is great value and prepared with care.The pizza can be inconsistent though due to whoever is making the dough/pizza.Overall though it seems to stay under the radar.IMO Cacio fills the Col Legno void in the EV.
                                                                                            Giorgione to me is more Roman in style (It may have changed...it's been a while?) and seemed to be lacking in taste.As would be expected,it's a beautiful space and a superb spot to perch at the bar and smell the fireplace on a winter night,but the pizza is forgettable .

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                                                                                              Pan Dec 7, 2008 04:47 PM

                                                                                              I didn't realize Col Legno had closed. When did that happen? I was a fan of Col Legno from shortly after it opened until recently, but if I had to guess why it would have closed, competition from better-priced places like Cacio e Vino probably had something to do with it. Furthermore, Lupa isn't much more expensive but is much better. But I still would regret Col Legno's departure from the scene, because they made consistent, honest Tuscan food, provided a sedate, adult place to have good food and conversation, always had room with no wait, and exhibited art by a different local artist every month. Col Legno exemplified honesty, quality, and respect for the customer and the neighborhood.

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                                                                                                xny556cip Dec 7, 2008 05:43 PM

                                                                                                Last time I drove past was mid Sept,and the construction guys were in there,that's why I presume i'ts closed.Chris did a solid job for a long time.

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                                                                                                racer x Jan 20, 2009 03:19 PM

                                                                                                Yes, Giorgione's is more Roman than Neapolitan, in that the crust is thinner than the Neapolitan- or traditional New York-style pizzas.

                                                                                                However, my experiences with their pizzas has been different. Was just there for dinner tonight, and the pizza was one of the best I have ever had. Certainly the best I have had in Manhattan. (The octopus was a little burnt, but that's another story ...)

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                                                                                                  foodwhisperer Feb 21, 2009 08:46 AM

                                                                                                  i like Lombardi over Giorgione's,,, but a place not on the list is Grand Daisy's for the potato pizza its amazing.

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                                                                                                racer x Jan 20, 2009 03:21 PM

                                                                                                Agree that Luzzo isn't what it used to be, as I posted about a year ago.

                                                                                                http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/449284

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                                                                                                  KTinNYC Jan 12, 2010 06:28 PM

                                                                                                  I went back to Luzzo's on Sunday and it was in top form. Just enough char on the crust, good sauce and cheese. I ordered the Tartufata. It was light on the truffle but really a very good pizza. Didn't order a salad so I can't comment.

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                                                                                                  mrfreeze Nov 18, 2008 12:29 AM

                                                                                                  If you have been to Naples, Italy and appreciate that style of pizza, La Pizza Fresca is my first choice for their authentic ingredients and style of baking in the wood oven. If you want a NY style pizza, Grimaldi's under the Brooklyn Bridge. If you want a slice, I can't help you there. Good luck and enjoy!

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                                                                                                  31 E 20th St, New York, NY 10003

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                                                                                                    racer x Oct 25, 2008 06:43 PM

                                                                                                    I just noticed today that there is a Luzzo's pizzeria on 96th street between Lexington & Park. The facade is painted with the same color scheme as the original Luzzo's on 1st ave, so I assume they are related.
                                                                                                    Has anyone tried the pizza at this 96th st Luzzo's? Slices? Whole pie?

                                                                                                    1. guttergourmet Oct 12, 2008 05:56 AM

                                                                                                      Had a great pie at Giorgione's on Prince.

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                                                                                                        racer x Oct 12, 2008 03:27 PM

                                                                                                        Did you mean Giorgione's on Spring St?
                                                                                                        Where exactly on Prince?

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                                                                                                          guttergourmet Oct 12, 2008 06:01 PM

                                                                                                          oops yeah-meant Spring- around the corner from the Holland tunnel. Like it X?

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                                                                                                            racer x Oct 13, 2008 09:16 AM

                                                                                                            Absolutely. In my top three.
                                                                                                            There other food's pretty good, too.
                                                                                                            But, shhh -- we don't want this to get around.

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                                                                                                        theaman Sep 9, 2008 12:55 PM

                                                                                                        Artichoke is really good. It is new and there is always a really long line, but I think it is worth it.

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                                                                                                          peachtart Sep 9, 2008 05:45 AM

                                                                                                          Go to Franny's in Brooklyn. And I like Luzzos in the East village

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                                                                                                            racer x Sep 6, 2008 08:08 AM

                                                                                                            Al Forno
                                                                                                            I didn't like the pizza I got here when I originally tried them a little more than a year ago, so I haven't been back until yesterday. Now I remember why I didn't like their pizza.
                                                                                                            It was pretty bad. Very tough, dry crust, almost as if it had been pre-baked then reheated. Flavorless cheese (although it appeared to be a higher-quality pizza cheese than found in many restaurants). Plenty of crumbled sausage, but the sausage was extremely greasy and painfully salty. Sauce was also below average. And not much care seemed to have been put into the pizza construction. The limp, discolored basil leaves were not distributed uniformly around the pie; and the kitchen did such a halfbaked job of cutting the pie that I had to recut it myself.
                                                                                                            Avoid.

                                                                                                            1. vvvindaloo Sep 2, 2008 08:45 PM

                                                                                                              It looks as though we NYers never get tired of discussing pizza, do we?
                                                                                                              Here is a link to an account of my most recent "must-try pizza" experience:
                                                                                                              http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/5538...

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                                                                                                                racer x Sep 2, 2008 11:15 AM

                                                                                                                Il Fornaio (UES)
                                                                                                                Lunch here today. It's a one-man operation a couple of blocks from Mt Sinai Medical Center. A real bargain -- a small pizza (actually, a medium since he doesn't sell smalls) here is the size of a large at most other places, and with one topping costs a mere $12.
                                                                                                                A thicker than thin, chewy crust that was very good. Sauce better than average, and the sliced Italian sausage slightly better than average. The cheese is where this pie falls down -- the same generic pizza cheese that you find at a couple hundred other places around the city that's fine if you're just hungry, but not acceptable to be considered for inclusion in a list of the greats.

                                                                                                                The proprietor does have his fans, though. Every single one of the steady stream of customers coming in for a slice address him affectionately as Frank. The main problem I have with one-man pizza shops like this is that there is too great a temptation for the cook to go directly from handling money to pounding the dough.

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                                                                                                                  chet steadman Oct 28, 2008 08:03 PM

                                                                                                                  I'm surprised anyone else on here has tried this place. It's my favorite no-frills pizza place. I would generally agree with your assessment, except I don't think the generic cheese is that big of a problem.

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                                                                                                                  racer x Aug 30, 2008 07:21 PM

                                                                                                                  Pala
                                                                                                                  Ate here last night. A beautiful, very well-constructed sausage and mushroom pizza (a white pizza, without tomato sauce), with a nicely-textured somewhat thick crust (crust was oversalted, but I suspect that that was just a fluke). However, none of the flavors made an impression. There were some spices, yes, but the pizza really cried out for garlic, flavorful cheese, basil...
                                                                                                                  The restaurant space is very nice (except for the uncomfortable chairs), and other parties seemed to be enjoying themselves. Since this is one of the few places that specializes in gluten-free dishes, including pizza, it's worth a try if you have to observe dietary restrictions.

                                                                                                                  Dee's
                                                                                                                  Several have posted that Dee's pizza is even better than Nick's (both in Forest Hills), so I trekked out there tonight to see for myself. NOT EVEN CLOSE. Generous topping of crumbled sausage, but the sausage was nearly flavorless, as was the cheese. And the sauce was too sour for my taste. The crust was ok, but not enough to make up for the other components.

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                                                                                                                    Trinity Connors Aug 31, 2008 06:15 AM

                                                                                                                    Fornino in Williamsburg!

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                                                                                                                    racer x Aug 27, 2008 07:31 PM

                                                                                                                    Giorgione
                                                                                                                    I had an AMAZING pizza here tonight.
                                                                                                                    The crust sets a new standard in my eyes for thin crust pizza (look and learn, Posto!).
                                                                                                                    Very possibly the best fennel sausage I have had on any restaurant pizza in NYC. EVER. (If you've read my other posts, you know I take my pizza sausage seriously, so this is saying something).
                                                                                                                    It could have used some fresh basil and some oregano and other spices to be perfect, but it came darned close without them.
                                                                                                                    Can't believe I've been eating pizzas in this city so long without knowing about this place.

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                                                                                                                      kathryn Aug 27, 2008 08:34 PM

                                                                                                                      Best fennel sausage I've ever had on pizza was at Mozza in LA but they make it in house I think.

                                                                                                                      How would you describe the crust? Was it cracker-y? Crisp or more moist? Did it have any internal chew or softness?

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                                                                                                                        racer x Aug 28, 2008 01:26 PM

                                                                                                                        It was more substantial than a wafer or cracker. When it arrived at my table, it was very crisp (although it was still foldable), but by the time I was 3/4 through it, the center had become a little soggy from the sauce soaking in. I'd say it was a little chewy, but it was still light enough that a salad and a whole pizza did not leave that heavy feeling in the stomach that typically accompanies a few slices of a thicker-crust pizza (a la Lombardi's or Arturo's).

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                                                                                                                        Pan Dec 4, 2008 07:33 PM

                                                                                                                        I ate at Giorgione a few months ago. Very good and fair-priced restaurant, and their pizza was very good. I like more char, but it tasted very good and had a good crust. Really, nothing to complain about whatsoever. Very good place.

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                                                                                                                        racer x Aug 26, 2008 12:14 PM

                                                                                                                        Naples 45
                                                                                                                        Tried one of their pizzas for lunch today (in the restaurant, not from the takeout counter).
                                                                                                                        The crust was perfectly crispy yet still foldable (no sag at all), but had a rather bland taste. Cheese was very good, almost as good as Nick's. The crumbled sausage was so-so. The main problems were that the toppings were too soupy, and the pizza was too salty (I probably exceeded my sodium allowance for the whole week with that one meal).

                                                                                                                        Naples 45 has potential, but based on that one pizza, would just rate them "above average," not one of the greats.

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                                                                                                                          bombadilio Oct 6, 2008 02:08 PM

                                                                                                                          All in all I rate Naples 45 'OK'
                                                                                                                          Cliff notes: Crispy crust with a not so distinct taste, Too few toppings when ordered, Cheese was exceptional.

                                                                                                                          I ordered a black olive cheese pizza and I have to admit it was tasty but there were far too few olives and for the price I was expecting something much larger and substantial. I felt the crust was crispy and the taste was good but for the price I would have wanted more. I literally ate the whole pizza in less than 6 minutes ( like the 6?).

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                                                                                                                          SeptemberRenegade Aug 26, 2008 06:03 AM

                                                                                                                          Ray's

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                                                                                                                            kathryn Aug 25, 2008 09:37 PM

                                                                                                                            Hard to believe so much has changed in the pizza world in the 18 months or so this thread has been active. DeMarco's has closed. Pizzeria De Santo closed after 4 months! Also, Cronkite is gone. Artichoke opened. Fornino opened. Pinch closed and then moved to the UWS in the 80s on Columbus. And then there was the whole Grandaisy-Sullivan Street split, and now there's the new Grandaisy on the UWS, and Sullivan Street Bakery founder Jim Lahey's upcoming pizzeria in Chelsea. Gosh, we have it pretty good, don't we?

                                                                                                                            Speaking of which I FINALLY tried Arturo's -- a nice thing, crispy crust. More on the cracker side of the spectrum but not as crackery as Otto's. The crust didn't really get soggy at all, which surprised me. Nice charring on the bottom though the very edge of the pie was really blackened and hard. I don't think they were using very high quality cheese but it did get really nice and bubbled brown towards the edges of the pie. Really delicious when combined with some oregano and the sauce (which was on the sweet side and reminded my fiance of his favorite pizza growing up, Hup's in Milwaukee). Thanks for the recommendation, hounds!

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                                                                                                                              racer x Aug 25, 2008 08:32 PM

                                                                                                                              Numero 28 Carmine
                                                                                                                              Had my first (and last) pizza from No. 28 last week. One would think this place would have some of the best pizzas in the city, between the brick oven and the staff speaking Italian to each other. But the pie I had, though it looked good, really sucked. Probably the stingiest sprinkling of token basil leaves I can remember, and just about the worst sausage I've had in NYC (actually, Coney Island Totonno's sausage was worse, but at least I could finish the Totonno's pizza -- I could only stomach a couple of slices of the No. 28 pie). I won't be going back, but I am sure they won't miss my patronage, as they were doing quite a brisk business.

                                                                                                                              L'Asso
                                                                                                                              I also tried L'Asso last week. Their pizza was very good - worth considering in the top 15 or 20. Toppings were very generous. Crust tasted pretty good, although was a little too soggy toward the center. My standard is to try the sausage first; but I'd like to try out some of their other toppings on future visits. Not sure why this place doesn't get more attention on the board.

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                                                                                                                                Avalondaughter Aug 25, 2008 08:42 AM

                                                                                                                                Naples 45 in the MetLife building is my favorite. It was designated by some Neapollitan pizza making organziation as being authentic - the only restaurant in the US to have such a designation (at least at the time I heard about it, I don't know if that's still true). You have to like thin crust pizza though.

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                                                                                                                                  kathryn Aug 25, 2008 09:04 AM

                                                                                                                                  Vera Pizza Napoletana is the designation (VPN). In Italian, it means Genuine Pizza Association (or something).

                                                                                                                                  It costs $1500 to get certified and for that reason, I wouldn't necessarily trust it as the marker of "most authentic" as you might be making an authentic Neopolitan style pizza, but just don't want to pony up the money for the piece of paper. There's also a bunch of other Italian pizza associations that probably have smaller marketing budgets :)

                                                                                                                                  http://www.fornobravo.com/vera_pizza_...

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                                                                                                                                    bombadilio Jan 2, 2012 10:13 AM

                                                                                                                                    After 2pm you can get a slice for $1.75 ... any

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                                                                                                                                    City Kid Aug 25, 2008 08:11 AM

                                                                                                                                    Went to UES Totonno's last night and it was not nearly as good as I recall: good crust but heavy, not so good or generous toppings. Confirmed my belief that Giovanna's on Lex@101st St (a Nick's spinoff) is the best pizza I have ever eaten (and I have eaten a lot of it)!

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                                                                                                                                      racer x Aug 21, 2008 08:51 PM

                                                                                                                                      I don't think anyone has mentioned Bettola in this thread yet.

                                                                                                                                      I tried their affumicata today. It was very, very good -- better-than-average sausage balls, smoky mozz, good sauce. Worth a trip. I can't put it in the top 5 because the crust was a little too thin to support the toppings, leading to excessive sogginess toward the center; also, I think the choice of cherry tomatoes is just a mistake (but maybe you would like the cherry tomatoes). A minor annoyance - a pizza of this size should be cut into at least 6 slices not just 4 (when cut into 4, the slices are too big to be able to hold without having to fold them).

                                                                                                                                      The table bread that they served tonight was out of this world. I would go back just to have some more of that bread.

                                                                                                                                      I haven't tried Celeste yet. Celeste seems to be much more popular than Bettola, and they're just a few blocks apart on Amsterdam. I'm wondering whether Celeste's pizzas are better, or (more likely) is it the other dishes (or some other factor) that draw the crowds over to Celeste?

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                                                                                                                                      412 Amsterdam Ave, New York, NY 10024

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                                                                                                                                        offthebeatenpath1 Aug 22, 2008 10:54 AM

                                                                                                                                        I find Celeste's Pizza to be way oversalted and the crust much to chewy and doughy. Bettola is decent, especially given the lack of good pizza on the UWS, bet plenty of other pizza places than either Celeste or Bettola.

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                                                                                                                                        502 Amsterdam Ave, New York, NY 10024

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                                                                                                                                          bombadilio Aug 22, 2008 12:40 PM

                                                                                                                                          Gotham Pizza
                                                                                                                                          1443 York Ave, New York 10021
                                                                                                                                          Btwn 76th & 77th St

                                                                                                                                          There Straight cheese or Grandma Pizza is great. Ask for it crispy as their Crust is tantalizing and mouth watering when your craving a slice and it turns into two...three.four...five... Damn the whole pie is gone and your all alone...

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                                                                                                                                            thew Aug 22, 2008 12:54 PM

                                                                                                                                            gotham is good. not a prototypical NYC slice - small slice size, crispy heavy corn component to the crust ala two boots, without the cutesy combinations.

                                                                                                                                            when i want standard good nyc pizza on the UESi go to italian village, but this is the place i go to when i want something different

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                                                                                                                                              bombadilio Oct 6, 2008 01:57 PM

                                                                                                                                              Whats better than Gotham I have never had pizza with that excellent crust. The only problem is 18$ for a pie is a bit steep. I am still looking for the best Pizza in the UES

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                                                                                                                                                thew Oct 9, 2008 05:48 AM

                                                                                                                                                i like italian village 80th and 1st. but if thats the sort of crust you want, gotham is very good. i think there's supposed to be a twoboots coming to the UES soon - similar sort of crust to gotham

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                                                                                                                                                  racer x Oct 11, 2008 11:55 AM

                                                                                                                                                  My vote would be for Giovanna's.
                                                                                                                                                  http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/560496

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                                                                                                                                              Abby12 Jun 18, 2010 09:37 AM

                                                                                                                                              Celeste is my favorite, their cheeses are great.

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                                                                                                                                            aeve22 Aug 14, 2008 04:37 PM

                                                                                                                                            Yes, PLEASE try Luzzo's in the East Village :-) It's one of my favs

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                                                                                                                                              racer x Aug 14, 2008 04:30 PM

                                                                                                                                              I visited the original Totonno's today for lunch. That was a mistake.
                                                                                                                                              Believe me, if it's been on your list of must-visit legendary pizzerias, don't worry, you haven't missed anything.

                                                                                                                                              I did like the crust -- thick, bready, chewy; foldable, yet perfectly crisp on the bottom. The edges, however, had an unpleasant bitter taste. Nothing else about the pie was memorable. Sauce utterly unremarkable, flavorless cheese. Sausage seemed of particularly low quality (more filler than meat).

                                                                                                                                              But if you do venture here, it will probably help if you prepare yourself psychologically for an encounter with harried waitstaff. (And for seeing a smiling picture of the President on the wall.)

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                                                                                                                                                dhs Oct 27, 2008 11:03 AM

                                                                                                                                                What you describe it exactly what I find the Totonno's pie so good and why it is my favorite. Its all about the crust (and maybe the coal oven?). The other ingredients don't overpower it. For me the crust reigns supreme and the original Totonno's is damn hard to beat. I am not sure if what you call bitterness is the saltiness and flavor I find sooo delicious. To me the crust flavor at Totonno's is in much greater qty than most places I have tried and the end crust saltiness only seems to occur at coal oven places. I don't think a gas oven can create the same flavors, or at least I have not had one yet.

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                                                                                                                                                visink Aug 12, 2008 12:50 PM

                                                                                                                                                Vezzo on Lex and 31st...
                                                                                                                                                http://www.vezzothincrust.com/
                                                                                                                                                Yum.

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                                                                                                                                                  offthebeatenpath1 Aug 12, 2008 02:37 PM

                                                                                                                                                  Vezzo and Gruppo are owned by the same company. I would recommend Gruppo over Vezzo.

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                                                                                                                                                    visink Aug 13, 2008 06:36 AM

                                                                                                                                                    Thanks for that tip - now I will have to try Gruppo. I wonder if they serve the same salad dressing. If Vezzo bottled it I would buy it by the case and gift it frequently.

                                                                                                                                                2. guttergourmet Aug 10, 2008 03:19 PM

                                                                                                                                                  La Pizza Fresca-rivals Una Pizza Napoletana. Also Naples 45 isn't bad either.

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                                                                                                                                                    racer x Aug 12, 2008 07:21 PM

                                                                                                                                                    Maybe the pizza I got from La Pizza Fresca wasn't typical then, because it was quite mediocre. Soggy, bland, and extremely overpriced. (Paying for those fresh rosebuds floating in the wine glasses?)

                                                                                                                                                    But no worries. I got a pizza to go from Gnocco (E. 10th St just west of Ave A) tonight. Excellent. In the top 10 in NYC (maybe even a contender for the top 5). Thin, crisp crust (but not so crisp it couldn't be folded). Spicy sausage, light coating of decent sauce. Cheese was so-so. And was that a hint of balsamic oil on top? It helps that the staff were also friendly.

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                                                                                                                                                      synergy Aug 14, 2008 04:27 AM

                                                                                                                                                      I'm glad to see that someone else likes the pizza at Gnocco in addition to me.

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                                                                                                                                                    racer x Aug 10, 2008 09:43 AM

                                                                                                                                                    I tried Angelo's on 57th st last night.
                                                                                                                                                    Their pizzas *look* delicious. In fact, they look close to perfect.
                                                                                                                                                    But the taste was underwhelming. The sauce was better than the average you find around the city, but none of the other components rose to the occasion. The crust, in particular, was too thick, tough, and on the edges a little too charred.

                                                                                                                                                    It would have been good for a frozen pizza from the local supermarket, but not for a fresh pizza from a NYC pizzeria.

                                                                                                                                                    I'd scratch them off the list.

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                                                                                                                                                      vvvindaloo Aug 10, 2008 03:25 PM

                                                                                                                                                      I agree with you. I was surprised by how above-average it was, in that it was quite edible for east midtown. On the other hand, the image-flavor correlation was somehow off. It looks "beautiful", it tastes "pretty good".

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                                                                                                                                                        a_and_w Aug 28, 2008 11:47 AM

                                                                                                                                                        I would NOT scratch Angelo's off the list. My crust wasn't too thick or tough -- it was perfectly crisp yet foldable. To my mind, the crust and cheese were closer to traditional Neapolitan style, which is usually a negative for me. That I enjoyed it so much was kind of a surprise.

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                                                                                                                                                        brooklyndude Aug 6, 2008 02:38 AM

                                                                                                                                                        I don't know if you've gotten to them in the past year & 1/2 but I think Totonno's in Coney Island & Lucali are worth going to, even if they are not the best on your pretty solid list.

                                                                                                                                                        I would also add Roberta's in Bushwick, and Franny's & L & B Spumoni in Brooklyn. I think the NYT piece on Roberta's is dead on, and the weird pizza's are much better than they sound.

                                                                                                                                                        Two other Brooklyn places that are good but only worth traveling for if you are obsessive (as I am and it sounds like you are) are Luigi's @ DeKalb & Hall (great greasy slice, it really hits the spot) & Grazziella's @ Vanderbilt & DeKalb (the arugala pie is great about half the time).

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                                                                                                                                                          brooklyndude Jul 10, 2012 09:39 PM

                                                                                                                                                          I've had a number of bad experiences at grazziella since I wrote this.

                                                                                                                                                          luigis is still a great greasy slice.

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                                                                                                                                                          italian village

                                                                                                                                                          80th and 1st

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                                                                                                                                                            racer x Aug 2, 2008 08:09 PM

                                                                                                                                                            Following a recommendation by Guttergourmet, I tried Sam's (Court St at Baltic) tonight. I absolutely loved the crust. Probably my favorite crust of any pizza in NYC. A thicker, yeastier crust, reminiscent of the New Haven-style pizzas but much lighter/not as dense. It's a crust better suited to being eaten with knife and fork rather than folded in half in your hand, yet not really a deep-dish crust.
                                                                                                                                                            Sauce was good, sausage better than average (but that's not saying much for NYC).

                                                                                                                                                            Now, if only there were a way to get Nick's cheese and toppings on Sam's crust ...

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                                                                                                                                                              guttergourmet Aug 3, 2008 05:02 AM

                                                                                                                                                              Glad you liked it X. Still tryying to get in to Lucali's around the block. I liked Denino's the one time I crossed the Verrazano on a pizza quest and Ralph's definitely made the trip worthwhile (though next time you go to Nick's cross Queen's Blvd and head to Corona for the Lemon Ice King who blow's Ralph away). Any pizza recs that the OP or I haven't mentioned here?

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                                                                                                                                                                racer x Aug 4, 2008 03:23 PM

                                                                                                                                                                Other places to recommend? None that I know of as yet.
                                                                                                                                                                There are still a few I've never tried (eg the original Coney Island Totonno's).

                                                                                                                                                                But if you haven't been to Lucali's yet, you MUST go there.
                                                                                                                                                                Easily in the top 3 of all the places I've been in the city over the years. In my opinion, better even than Di Fara's (but then I was never a Di Fara groupie).

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                                                                                                                                                                hambone Jan 10, 2010 09:48 AM

                                                                                                                                                                I would add (in case anyone is looking) the trick for a great pie at Sam's is get it with roasted garlic. They mix it in the sauce and it "kicks it up a notch." Oh, and their calzone is a really tasty mess. And the escarole is really good.

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                                                                                                                                                                silencespeak Aug 2, 2008 03:23 PM

                                                                                                                                                                That's pretty much an amazing list of pizza places, you've covered almost all the ground.

                                                                                                                                                                I'd agree with the boards that Pizza Grupo is also worth going to, particularly their personal pizzas. I like crafting a chicken, eggplant, artichoke, with extra sauce personal pie and savoring every bite. they know what they're doing. Artichoke (the pizza places) is also worth trying out.

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                                                                                                                                                                  synergy Aug 2, 2008 09:24 AM

                                                                                                                                                                  Gnocco in the East Village. Thin crust, made just like in Italy, LOVE their pies!

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                                                                                                                                                                    racer x Jul 30, 2008 08:34 PM

                                                                                                                                                                    I've just returned from a field trip to the outer reaches of NYC -- Staten Island, to be precise. And I can say without hesitation that anyone who argues on the Manhattan board that Denino's or Joe & Pat's are worth a ferry ride to Staten Island needs a remedial course in pizza appreciation.

                                                                                                                                                                    The pizzas at both establishments are pretty similar to each other. They are fine if you are really hungry and happy to be in the neighborhood, but neither merits consideration among the pantheon of truly great NYC pizzas.

                                                                                                                                                                    Denino's sausage pie was too salty, and the sauce was too sour/vinegary -- it could have used a little sweetening as well as more spices. The little meatballs of sausage had a touch of fennel, which is good, but not enough fennel to really appreciate the fennel flavor, which is bad. The crust was the best part, crisp and chewy. Joe & Pat's sauce was also too sour and needed a little more sweetening. It also had a slightly bitter undertaste. They used sliced sausage which had almost no flavor other than fat (yuch). The crust was similar to Denino's but somewhat thinner.

                                                                                                                                                                    Points to Joe & Pat's for no wait (Denino's had a line out the door, even on a weekday night). But Denino's wins out because it's across the street from Ralph's Ices ice cream parlor (the Baskin & Robbins up the block from Joe & Pat's can hardly measure up to that).

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                                                                                                                                                                      Jimper Jul 21, 2008 03:12 PM

                                                                                                                                                                      Dean's on Greenwich Street in TriBeca is very good, also Gigino's Trattoria on greenwich is as well.

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                                                                                                                                                                        Taylor.Watson Jul 21, 2008 01:27 PM

                                                                                                                                                                        Denino's, Joe and Pat's, Brothers (for the grandmother slice), and Nunzio's are all worth the trip to SI for.

                                                                                                                                                                        Artichoke is Manhattan is worth trying. I'd also suggest Isabella's Oven, which can be sometimes hit or miss, but it's a fun place in the summer (outdoor seating) and I love their San Daniel pizza.

                                                                                                                                                                        1. guttergourmet Jul 21, 2008 09:33 AM

                                                                                                                                                                          Cronkite is gone but Deforno's is the original which I just tried and is very good. I'd add Luzza's, Isabella's Oven, Franny's, Sam's, Nick's, Otto's, Angelo's, Dean's and Artichoke off the top of my head.

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                                                                                                                                                                            Scotty100 Jul 21, 2008 12:58 PM

                                                                                                                                                                            I had a decent salsiccia pizza from lil' frankies recently...1st & 2nd...nice crust, fresh tasty toppings...sausage and fennel rocked...

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                                                                                                                                                                              guttergourmet Dec 5, 2008 03:30 AM

                                                                                                                                                                              Second Lil"Frankie's-thanks for the tip on the sausage!

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                                                                                                                                                                              guttergourmet Aug 1, 2008 05:21 AM

                                                                                                                                                                              I meant Fornino not "Deforno"

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                                                                                                                                                                                racer x Aug 1, 2008 08:46 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                I tried Fornino's sausage pizza tonight. One of the better sausages I've had on a NYC pizza -- I could actually taste the fennel and other spices in it. The crust was not bad either. Unfortunately, the rest of the pizza wasn't up to the challenge. The tomato sauce was so thin and liquidy, and there was so much of it, that the cheese and sausage were sliding right off. And the sauce could have used a lot more spices. The pizza was supposed to have both mozz and parmesan, but if there was any parmesan, I'll never know because I couldn't taste it.

                                                                                                                                                                                A good enough pizza if you happen to be in Williamsburg, but not worth a trip.

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                                                                                                                                                                                  kathryn Aug 1, 2008 08:56 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                  IMO their crust is charred on the outside but not "done" enough on the inside. Probably because the oven is something like 900 degrees and the pizza is done in a few minutes. They have great, high quality toppings though.

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                                                                                                                                                                                    racer x Aug 2, 2008 01:50 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                    Yeah, I got the feeling that maybe the pizza had cooked too quickly, from the way the sauce was running. But the crust was ok (charred a little at the edges, but done well enough on the inside).

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                                                                                                                                                                                    lutece May 1, 2011 09:17 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                    I agree, and way too expensive.

                                                                                                                                                                              2. steve h. Jul 20, 2008 09:02 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                artichoke pizza.
                                                                                                                                                                                i've never eaten there. always see a zillion folk on line as i walk to una pizza napoletana.

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                                                                                                                                                                                  felizglfr Jul 21, 2008 07:29 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                  artichoke is very good. i had a sicilian slice. very fresh, good thickness, good price (2.50). recently they raised their prices a dollar. haven't been back since the change though.

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                                                                                                                                                                                    a_and_w Jul 21, 2008 09:26 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                    I think the square slice is the way to go at Artichoke.

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                                                                                                                                                                                      steve h. Jul 21, 2008 11:30 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                      i'll have to stop there.

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                                                                                                                                                                                        WhatsEatingYou Dec 30, 2011 01:47 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                        Yes on Artichoke Pizza, go for the artichoke slice

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                                                                                                                                                                                    racer x Jul 20, 2008 07:41 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                    Giovanna's on 100th & Lexington makes Nick's-style pizzas that are better than those at Nick's itself. (I mean Nick's UES Manhattan, not Nick's in Forest Hills. Nick's in Forest Hills kicks all their butts.) Delicious sauce & cheese, generous toppings and fresh basil leaves, tasty crust. My only complaint is that their sausage isn't spicy enough - but that problem is endemic to all NYC pizzerias.

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                                                                                                                                                                                      City Kid Jul 21, 2008 06:25 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                      Giovanna's chef/owner is formerly of Nick's. I also love UES Nick's and since it's owned and operated by the same folks as the Forest Hills branch I wonder if it is not just as good. Seems pretty good to me!

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                                                                                                                                                                                      taboni Mar 20, 2007 10:23 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                      L&B Spumoni Gardens in Coney Island for the best Sicilian IMO. I am a big fan of Arturo's in Manahattan for thin crust.

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                                                                                                                                                                                        Pan Mar 22, 2007 10:45 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                        I've debated L&B before on the Outer Boroughs board, but in what way do you think the quality of their square pizza is remotely close to, let alone better than DiFara's?

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                                                                                                                                                                                          pastoralia Mar 23, 2007 07:27 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                          Good question Pan. I've been to Di Fara's and Dom's Sicilian is making me drool right now. I've never been to L&B but plan on it real soon.

                                                                                                                                                                                          Anthony's Pizza on 7th Ave and 14th in Park Slope makes a great, simple pie with nicely charred crust, fresh mozarella and basil, with a sweet, tangy sauce. It's my fave in my 'hood. Have yet to try Franny's. I hear the pizza's good but the service is a bit snotty.

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                                                                                                                                                                                            Pan Mar 23, 2007 08:25 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                            The service might depend on who your server is. I had very nice service when I went to Franny's. Then again, that was maybe a couple of summers ago, I guess, so perhaps they fired all the nice servers! [laugh]

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                                                                                                                                                                                        grkboy Mar 20, 2007 08:21 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                        Underground Pizza on Hanover in the Financial District makes an incredible Grandma's slice, and the best upside down slice in the city.

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                                                                                                                                                                                          guttergourmet Mar 23, 2007 04:36 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                          Worked across the street years ago (it was called pizza pizza back then I think). Underground pizza is good but if there was ever a list of the greatest spinach calzones in the universe, Underground would be #1. Try it. Heavenly-Vegetarians beware-I think they slip a slice of pepperoni into it! Their spinach calzone is the DiFara's of spinach calzones.

                                                                                                                                                                                        2. jbyoga Mar 20, 2007 08:14 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                          Joes on Bleeker and 6th - Solid

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                                                                                                                                                                                            hominaray Mar 19, 2007 03:56 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                            GRUPPO! Ultra thin crust pizza

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                                                                                                                                                                                              mimolette Mar 20, 2007 08:10 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                              she already listed gruppo. :)

                                                                                                                                                                                            2. thievery Mar 19, 2007 03:52 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                              Vodka Slice at Pomodoro (Spring & Elizabeth in Lil Italy). Crust needs work, but very tasty otherwise.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                CleanPlateRanger Mar 16, 2007 07:17 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                Bens in Soho on Spring street
                                                                                                                                                                                                New Park in Howard Beach Queens...Cross Bay Blvd

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  ALSO,JOHNS PIZZERIA ON PRINCE OR SPRING ST & ELIZABETH.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    IF YOUVE BEEEN TO GRIMALDIS..FUHGEDABOUDIT!...U DONT NEED TO GOANYWHERE ELSE.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      billymann Jan 14, 2010 05:46 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                      There is also an additional Grimaldis in Hoboken. Same owner, awesome pie, slightly different from the DUMBO location (which I attribute to the water). Worth the PATH ride.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    2. guttergourmet Mar 16, 2007 06:10 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Naples 45, Little Italy, Mariella's...I'm still thinking...Pepe's, Modern and Sally's in CT and Il Forno in Providence-make sure you only go the original Totonno's in Coney Island.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. izzizzi Mar 16, 2007 04:18 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                        L'asso...goood good goooood.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                          harlow27 Aug 24, 2010 11:45 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                          Agreed. I like the San Daniele, Supreme, and Mela, but they're pretty much all good. Except for the Snow White. Oh, and the Smores pizza for dessert!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                          gutsofsteel Mar 16, 2007 04:10 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                          Franny's
                                                                                                                                                                                                          Giorgione
                                                                                                                                                                                                          Nick's (Forest Hills)
                                                                                                                                                                                                          L&B (Brooklyn)
                                                                                                                                                                                                          New Park Pizza (Howard Beach)
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                                                                                                                                                                                                            brownie12 Mar 16, 2007 03:35 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                            make sure you go to the original totonno's (never been)--i went to the one on 2nd ave in 20s and it blew.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                              wiessner1 Mar 16, 2007 03:04 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                              Famous Ben's on Spring Street, about 2-3 blocks east of 6th Ave., has, in my opinion, the best Sicilian style slice in the city, specificially the one with sliced tomatoes, onions and garlic. Can't recommend the Neopolitan (or anything else there, for that matter) but the above mentioned slice is absolutely worth a special trip....

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                jenniebnyc Mar 16, 2007 03:59 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                agreed
                                                                                                                                                                                                                love the square from Ben's

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                  addictedtolunch Mar 16, 2007 05:16 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Agree on Ben's. Nobody ever mentions this place. By the slice, Great variety albeit a little different. For light pizza, try the Palermo Onion- vary tasty.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                    andeerew84 Jan 11, 2010 12:31 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Absolutely agree- the tomato, onion, and garlic square slice is delicious and never gets mentioned anywhere.. good call wiessner

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  2. culinarycorps Mar 16, 2007 11:25 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    My husband swears by Pizza 33 in Manhattan. 489 Third Ave.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. ronoc Mar 16, 2007 11:22 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      oh yeah, gruppo is awesome. get the mushroom pizza - 4 kinds of shrooms, sprinkled with truffle oil.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                        ricky7 Mar 16, 2007 10:29 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        rays was considered good many years ago before alot of these newer places opened. wouldnt go there at all. i recommend piola on east 12th, demarco's on w houston, the pizza takeout part not the restaurant, and joe's on bleecker. go to these before you step into a rays.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                          jsmitty Mar 16, 2007 07:33 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          i think arturo's is always good too

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. shorts Mar 16, 2007 06:44 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Im going to suggest Adrienne's pizza bar down on Stone Street. Great pizza. Go in the spring when it's nice out and you can sit outside. Get a square pie and enjoy.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. jinet12 Mar 15, 2007 06:45 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Otto's pizza ROCKS!!!!!!!!!! You simply must try it...as well as the very most delicious gelato that you will ever eat!!!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Cafe Centosette - great individual size pizza

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  sam1 Mar 15, 2007 03:47 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  my girlfriend recommends waldys but ive never been. agreed about demarcos...itll never be difaras obviously but their squares are damn tasty and there's never a wait at the counter...and theyre open late. (watch for the bullets though).

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    pstella Mar 15, 2007 03:10 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Wow. I'm really happy that someone else hasn't mentioned my personal favorite: ray's on sixth avenue and eleventh street. Its not a sit down place, but it is just amazingly delicious. Very heavy cheese, just great.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      oolah Mar 15, 2007 05:40 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I have to disagree with this one. I had a slice from that Ray's once and it's no better than all the other famous or original or rays in the city. Unremarkable.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Definitely do try Lucali's -- I've been going there almost every weekend since it opened and it just keeps getting better.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      And although it's a different kind of place, I'd recommend Joe's on 6th, just north of bleecker. It's not be any stretch of the imagination artisanal, but it's a good slice of New York pizza.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        jsmitty Mar 15, 2007 06:10 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        yes that ray's is "every slice usa". nithing special. too gloppy... etc etc.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      tsiblis Mar 15, 2007 02:34 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      It's not a dedicated pizza place but we love the pizzas at Grano Trattoria on greenwich Ave. & W. 10th St.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. izzizzi Mar 15, 2007 02:24 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        2nd Sullivan St. bakery

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. a_and_w Mar 15, 2007 02:16 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          DeMarco's in the village. Ask them to cook your slice or pizza well done. It's not DiFara and never will be, but when they're on, the square slice in particular is quite delicious. You might also try the pizzas at whatever the old Sullivan Street Bakery is now called. Also, Waldy's wood-fired pizza got off to a rocky start but is worth trying now.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. ronoc Mar 15, 2007 01:25 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I work near Pinch (Pizza by the Inch) on 28th and Park and like it for lunch. The pizza and ingredients are good and fresh. Different style than most of your list - pretty thin crust.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Arturo's is still my favorite.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              sam1 Mar 15, 2007 11:45 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              otto's pizza is terrible to me.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              angelo's on 57th is surprisingly an excellent pizza place...we order from them at my office. try the sausage and garlic.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              there's a new place in the LES called Pizzeria De Santo that is supposedly excellent...haven't been.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                a_and_w Aug 25, 2008 11:13 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Took your advice and ordered a sausage and garlic pizza from Angelo's on 57th. It was spectacular! I'm not usually a fan of fresh mozzarella, but this was cooked perfectly with the right distribution of cheese. I also noticed that Angelo's pies are closer to traditional Neapolitan than some of the other coal oven places. People who are looking for a hybrid of Neapolitan with NY pizza would be well advised to try Angelo's.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  a_and_w Oct 27, 2008 10:16 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Had another excellent pie (pepperoni) at Angelo's recently.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              2. BackyardChef Mar 15, 2007 11:43 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Maybe add Fornino and/or Brick Oven Gallery in Williamsburg...and Joe & Pats and Nunzio's on Staten Island....I have to admit, I haven't been to Nunzio's in a while, though. It used to be great.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  lutece May 1, 2011 09:15 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  went back to Fornino's again after 3 prior visits and declared it my last time. If the boss isn't there you don't get the goods. First time we went , the salad was filled with beautiful heirloom tomatoes and stuff from his garden in Southampton. So the seven dollar regular salad was worth it, now forget it...The pizza was kinda burnt and the last few times we went I just wasn't impressed with the food or service for the prices charged it should have been way better. The boss man better pay more attention to what goes on when he's not there.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                2. izzizzi Mar 15, 2007 11:43 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Have you been to Otto? They have good pizza. There's also a place called Peasant that has good pizza. What did you think of Pizza Napoletana? I thought it was a bit doughy.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    jsmitty Mar 15, 2007 11:50 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    PN was almost matzoh thin, little cheese, decent sauce. Didn't blow me away with flavor......

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      lisabnyc Mar 15, 2007 01:16 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      i have been to otto personally, but never with this group. i didn't think it was awful by any means, but wasn't that impressed either.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      As for Pizza Napoletana---we went there one of our first trips which was a while back...definitely a different experience for me. i've never been to italy, so i cannot comment with the authenticity that most people bring up when discussing it, but the ingredients were fresh and i don't recalll doughy.... not my favorite, but i think should be on a list for anyone interested in different types of pizza.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      bobby06877 Mar 15, 2007 11:39 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Just out of curiousity, do you have a favorite, or a few favorites, of the places you have already been to? It is a great list.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        lisabnyc Mar 15, 2007 01:12 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        out of all, i would say difara's was our favorite. honestly, we were discussing the other day on how none of these have been bad. i would suggest trying all of them if you are into pizza. many of them are very different from one another.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      2. guttergourmet Mar 15, 2007 11:23 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Good list. I actually have to think now. There are 2 Angelo's in midtown that are good. Denino's in SI is worth a ferry ride. L&B Spumoni is different. I still defend Two Boots. 28 Carmine isn't bad. Joe's, Bleecker St. and DeMarco's come to mind. I agree with the others that Luzzo's (right next to Vinny Vincenz and around the corner from UPN) is good as is the original Nick's in Queens. Sal & Carmine's on the UWS. Posto is Gruppo's sister restaurant. The pizza truck if you can find it. Maffei's makes a good grandma slice. You're testing me.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          jsmitty Mar 15, 2007 11:04 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          please give the most under-appreciated pizza joint a try. posto on 2nd/18th . i suggest the andouille pie. its wonderful as well as all else. they have become, along woith franny's in brooklyn, my favorites.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            lisabnyc Mar 15, 2007 01:10 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            as the poster below mentioned, posto and gruppo are owned by the same folks and basically produce the same product. i LOVE gruppo...can't beat it if you like super duper thin crust pizza... thanks!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              bobby06877 Mar 15, 2007 02:14 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              If you have not already done so, and you are a pizza fanatic, I would encourage you take a road trip up to New Haven to sample a few of their legendary pizza places.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                jsmitty Mar 16, 2007 07:32 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                i must now make it to gruppo! isn't there a third spot from the same owners?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  lisabnyc Mar 16, 2007 09:01 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  yep! see link below for address:

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  let me know if you notice a difference between. gruppo is closest to me, so i have only been there.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            2. wleatherette Mar 15, 2007 11:00 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              i have no idea what any of the other menu items are like, but the grandma pie from rosa's on 2nd btw 33rd and 34th is really, really delicious.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                DessertWanderer Mar 15, 2007 10:58 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Nick's Pizza in Forest Hills is quite good.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                NICK'S PIZZA, 108-26 Ascan Ave., Forest Hills, 718-263-1126

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                http://queens.about.com/cs/restaurantreviews/gr/rr_nicks.htm
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Believe it or not, they use a conventional gas oven. Awesome thin-crust pizza. The simple fresh basil, fresh mozzarella, and marinara is the best (Margharita Pizza)!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  jza1218 Mar 15, 2007 11:38 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I'm going to second this recommendation

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    shorts Mar 16, 2007 06:43 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Third. Took the trip to Forest Hills just for Nick's and I was very impressed. Up there in my top 3.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    SeptemberRenegade Aug 26, 2008 06:03 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    im in that area....u forgot Dee's

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      dank Dec 4, 2008 05:08 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Nick's is tremendous.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    2. bklyngrl Mar 15, 2007 10:55 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Lucali's, relatively new in Carroll Gardens. Do a search in Outer Boroughs and you'll find lots of reviews.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        AdrienneK Apr 21, 2012 01:58 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I second Lucali's. Delicious and in a beautiful Brooklyn neighborhood.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        downtownstefanie Mar 15, 2007 10:45 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        while it's not my "favorite," I think Piola is worth a visit. Huge selection of combination pies and unique combos. I've had a few excellent meals there and the Rio De Janeiro and Diavola pies are my favs. Their fresh fruit Caipirihnas and Caipiroskas are great too! www.piola.it

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. Luther Mar 15, 2007 10:15 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Luzzo's?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Ally W Sep 7, 2008 10:41 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Luzzos is the besst place in NY i think

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