381192 Wed Mar 14 18:59:01 -0700 2007 54 27 General Chowhounding Topics 0 2386827 I don't want to sound dumb but what is the difference between them. I know a malt uses "malted milk" whatever that is. But what does it do for the taste or consistency? Wed Mar 14 18:59:01 -0700 2007 76968 steakrules85 1 2386847 Not much for consistency but taste - from Wikipedia - Malted milk is malted barley, wheat flour and whole milk evaporated into a powder. The taste difference is hard to describe - I personally like it particularly Malted Vanilla Milkshakes - If you have ever had the candy Whoppers - they malted milk covered in chocolate - Wed Mar 14 19:06:58 -0700 2007 2386827 11622 weinstein5 2 2392192 Grapenuts are also flavored with malt. Malt is a sugar made from sprouted grain, usually barley. Malt seems to have fallen out of favor as a flavoring in the USA, but, judging from offerings in 'ethnic' markets and aisles, still popular elsewhere (Asia, India, Latin America). paulj Fri Mar 16 10:18:07 -0700 2007 2386847 12139 paulj 1 2386849 A shake generally has milk in it. A malt does not. Wed Mar 14 19:07:39 -0700 2007 2386827 69015 bookwormchef 2 2386871 As I understand it a malt - is a milkshake with malted milk powder added - Wed Mar 14 19:14:49 -0700 2007 2386849 11622 weinstein5 3 2387069 I think that you are correct. Also, a shake, although technically called a milk shake does not necessarily have milk in it, just ice cream. I love malt and use to buy carnation malt in a glass jar and add a couple of spoonfuls to my ice cold milk. Now I can't find it to buy. :( Wed Mar 14 20:25:24 -0700 2007 2386871 77080 justagthing 4 2387650 When I was a kid, and soda fountains were still common (early fifties), both had milk in them - one was simply a "Milk Shake" and the other, the one that was basically a milk shake with malt powder added, was a "Malted Milk Shake" ("malt" for short). Thu Mar 15 05:43:49 -0700 2007 2387069 12622 Striver 5 2387814 oic...so it was ice cream, milk, whatever flavor and malt or no malt...where those better? Thu Mar 15 06:56:13 -0700 2007 2387650 77080 justagthing 6 2392407 That was my experience (ie milk, ice cream - that was the flavor source mostly - and either malt or no malt). The one time I ordered a malted milk locally, they did it right and dumby me was incensed and unhappy. I rigidly stuck to milk shake after that. Fri Mar 16 11:09:13 -0700 2007 2387814 11468 feelinpeckish 6 2396642 Not a case of better, just different. BTW if no milk was used it wasn't a shake - it was a "soda" or a "float" where i was raised. Again, not better, just different. This thread has stirred dormant cravings - all different, all good. Sun Mar 18 06:31:19 -0700 2007 2387814 55318 DockPotato 7 3716334 Shouldn't a soda be made with soda water? Fri May 23 17:47:40 -0700 2008 2396642 10651 bbqboy 4 2388171 I bought some Carnation Malt just last week from a regular grocery store...and had a glass for breakfast this morning. Granted the jar is plastic now, but it's malt for sure. Thu Mar 15 08:36:35 -0700 2007 2387069 56793 ballulah 5 2390348 what part of the country is that and can you say which market? thanks Thu Mar 15 17:23:49 -0700 2007 2388171 77080 justagthing 6 2391806 I'm in NYC and it was just my local supermarket, actually it's the market in my area with the poorest selection of goods unless you're looking for Mexican ingredients. Bravo Supermarket (you don't find these in "better" neighborhoods! haha) on 181st and Broadway. I don't think it was a Latin import. Fri Mar 16 08:30:43 -0700 2007 2390348 56793 ballulah 6 2396353 If you are talking about Carnation Malted Milk mix, Von's would sell it. I'm guessing you are in the LA area from your profile posts. Here's a link to Safeway (aka Von's). It can be ordered online too if this is what you are looking for. http://shop.safeway.com/dnet/RichProductInformation.aspx?promo_window=1&bpn=119020015 Sat Mar 17 23:02:26 -0700 2007 2390348 10264 rworange 7 2396364 thanks, i'll go and check my local von's Sat Mar 17 23:11:27 -0700 2007 2396353 77080 justagthing 4 2389086 I'd been looking for malt for a long time, and finally gave up. But just last week I was shopping in Shop Rite in Wilmington, DE and found it on the shelf, right next to the chocolate syrup and Ovaltine. Thu Mar 15 12:01:06 -0700 2007 2387069 49600 CindyJ 4 2396816 justaqthing- How was it made if it had no milk? What liquid was used to blend it? I worked at a Baskin Robbins for awhile as a teen. In my area (NYC) a milk shake is milk and ice cream run through a mixer. Consistency is as thick as possible but still able to drink through a straw. A malt / malted is a milk shake with malt powder or syrup added. An ice cream soda is a scoop of ice cream in a tall glass that was then filled with soda, preferably root beer. And an egg cream is a little milk, some chocolate or vanilla syrup and then filled with seltzer. Sun Mar 18 08:26:10 -0700 2007 2387069 10732 JMF 5 2397662 funny, when i use to make them at home i just used ice cream that was a bit melted and then added my strawberries or whatever. but what i really like is root beer and vanilla to make a shake, not a float, so therefore, no milk...suppose I was making it wrong, but it sure tasted right :) Sun Mar 18 14:27:00 -0700 2007 2396816 77080 justagthing 5 3939412 Ice cream in a glass with flavored soda pop is not a soda, but a float, the root beer ones also being called "Black Cows." An ice cream soda is ice cream in a glass, fruit or chocolate syrup added, carbonated soda water poured in, then finished off with the soda faucet pushed or pulled into the "squirt" position, where a very thin, high-speed jet creates a lot of creamy foam as a topping. The possibilities of inventing fountain drinks are so many and varied that they won't necessarily all fit some existing name. My home favorite is to break a banana into a tall glass, add about a cup of milk and a heaping soup-spoon of Chocolate Malt Ovaltine and dump it into the blender. I'll add a scoop of ice cream if I'm feeling deeply self-indulgent... Thu Aug 07 17:14:39 -0700 2008 2396816 11478 Will Owen 3 2389641 My parents had a small restaurant (ie. greasy spoon) up until the mid 60's in Toronto...they always had 'malt powder' that you added to a regular milk shake(chocolate ice cream, milk and chocolate syrup (or vanilla syrup, vanilla ice cream & milk) The malt powder tasted sweet and if you held it on your tongue long enough it turned into a sweet and rich blob which you could then eat as a candy. The Malt Powder came in a rather large tin which was always kept on the shelf above the ice cream freezer along with the syrups and the tin (?) containers to make and serve the Shakes ! Thu Mar 15 14:03:01 -0700 2007 2386871 78717 pearlD 4 2390341 ok, I would take a spoonful or two and put it in my milk and then take a spoonful to play with, dipping it in the milk, licking it off and then doing exactly what you said, taking a spoonful in my mouth. yummy! Thu Mar 15 17:21:51 -0700 2007 2389641 77080 justagthing 2 3713803 Bookwormchef, I spent several decades ordering malts at soda fountains where I sat at the counter watching the malt being made, and I guarantee you that through the 1930's, 1940's, 1940's, and 1960's when malts abounded, milk was used in the preparation along with ice cream, malted milk powder, and flavoring (like chocolate syrup). Also I have made them with milk at home for longer than that. Ice cream alone would make the mixture too thick to be processed in a malted milk mixer and it wouldn't go through a straw. Thu May 22 21:23:19 -0700 2008 2386849 15521 Querencia 1 2387036 A malted is a milk shake that has malt powder or syrup added. They are sooo much better. there isn't much that beats a peach malted. Wed Mar 14 20:11:27 -0700 2007 2386827 10732 JMF 1 2387081 Horlicks works if you can get it in the USA Wed Mar 14 20:33:10 -0700 2007 2386827 22559 smartie 2 2387321 I just saw some Horlicks today at the local chinese supermarket. I hear its very popular in Hong Kong. is ovaltine a malt based drink? Wed Mar 14 22:26:30 -0700 2007 2387081 24546 bitsubeats 3 2387393 if it is, it sure doesn't taste as good as good ol' malt Wed Mar 14 23:32:24 -0700 2007 2387321 77080 justagthing 3 3713633 Yes, Ovaltine is chocolate malt. And if you buy the Asian branded Ovaltines in Asian markets, you will find a product that is much less sweet and "chocolatey," and way more malty than the American product. Horlicks, otoh, is even less sweet. I like it, but it's much more malty than Americans normally like Thu May 22 19:45:37 -0700 2008 2387321 16216 k_d 1 2387824 I think you'll find that milkshake terminology varies greatly from region to region. In New England, a milkshake or shake is ice cream and milk. In other parts of the country, a shake, or milkshake, has no ice cream. Even more specifically, if you ask for a frappe in the Boston area, you'll get milk and ice cream. In Rhode Island, the same is called a cabinet. Then, there's the Fribble or the Awful Awful.... =) You can add "malted" to any of them. Thu Mar 15 07:00:04 -0700 2007 2386827 44952 dukegirl 2 2389101 In NYC, a "frappe" used to be another word for an ice cream sundae. We never asked for a milk shake at the corner candy store in Brooklyn -- we always asked for a malted. Thu Mar 15 12:04:39 -0700 2007 2387824 49600 CindyJ 2 2389524 My first job was at a dairy bar in Middleboro, Massachusetts (near Cape Cod). If you asked for a "milkshake" you got milk and flavored syrup, whipped up with the blender. You ordered a "frappe" if you wanted ice cream, milk, and flavored syrup. And we didn't serve malts at all. Thu Mar 15 13:35:29 -0700 2007 2387824 74556 manraysky 3 2390129 Yeah, I never remembered the malt option at all when I was a kid in Massachusetts, but I'm starting to see it a bit more often now. Thu Mar 15 16:06:35 -0700 2007 2389524 44952 dukegirl 2 2391889 I grew up a little north Boston and used to love getting vanilla frappes at Friendly's on a hot summer day. I used to suck up the milk with the straw and then pour as much of the ice cream and milk mixture into my mouth that I could stand without getting "head freeze". Even in Boston today when I order a frappe the young servers look at me like I'm a dinosaur. I thing Brighams had frappes also, not to be confused with the Friendly's fribble... Fri Mar 16 08:48:57 -0700 2007 2387824 80418 BostonBarGuy 3 2392754 Ah, was it Brighams who had the Awful Awful? Fri Mar 16 12:30:14 -0700 2007 2391889 44952 dukegirl 4 2396266 I remember them from Newport Creamrey: http://www.newportcreamery.com/menu_drinks.html Drink 3 get one free. Sat Mar 17 21:56:40 -0700 2007 2392754 14620 hummingbird 1 2388186 At least here in the upper midwest and in Texas (the area I grew up in anyway) a milkshake is blended ice cream and milk. A malt is ice cream, milk and malt (malted milk). For my parents whom grew up on the east coast, a malted is just milk and malt. As for the flavor, a malt, tastes, well, malted. There really isn't anything I can imagine comparing the flavor to. Plus since I think everyone has eaten a malted milk ball, you'll know what I mean. Me, I'm a black cow malt fan myself. Thu Mar 15 08:41:01 -0700 2007 2386827 59069 Foureyes137 1 2389663 I am a huge malt fan -- and for me, it is a malted espresso shake; coffee ice cream, a shot of espresso, more malt than seems right, and a splash of milk (or half-and-half, when feeling especially decadent). Thu Mar 15 14:07:08 -0700 2007 2386827 16933 Carrie 218 1 2390241 We called them malteds growing up in non-Chicago northern Illinois, and we loved them. I always went for the chocolate malted and my big brother taught me to ask for loads extra malt. I haven't had one for years and years but I'm gonna have to seek one out now. Thu Mar 15 16:42:34 -0700 2007 2386827 49541 debbiel 1 2391109 I used to get Malted Milkshakes at the drug store soda fountain on the Boardwalk at Haddon Hall (now Resorts Casino) in Atlantic City in the '60s - it was the best, and it was Ice Cream, Milk and a lot of (probably Carnations) Malt. Thu Mar 15 23:00:42 -0700 2007 2386827 28059 jeffskal 1 2391494 Does anybody else remember Frosted Malted? It came out of a machine the consistency of Soft-Serve but was chocolately and malty. I used to get it in Rochester NY 1942-1945 and have never found it or heard of it anywhere else. Wish I had some now. Fri Mar 16 06:29:29 -0700 2007 2386827 15521 Querencia 2 2395751 Used to get frosted malteds after a matinee in Lakewood, Ohio, late 1930's. Good tasting. However my most memorable concoctions were the thick ones I made for my father when I was a teenage soda jerk. You could hold the can upside down and it wouldn't pour out. The druggist charged extra, but I'm sure he lost money on each one. Malted milks ( midwestern style) were same as milkshakes: ice cream, syrup and (horlick's?) malt powder. Sat Mar 17 17:21:20 -0700 2007 2391494 11791 DonShirer 1 2391539 When I was young, there was a pharmacy in Elgin, IL called Burns. They made the worlds best shakes & malts. After they closed, a delightful man by the name of Al purchased their super-secret recipe, & opened Al's Creamery. He passed away a number of years ago, but his place still lives on. If I recall correctly they always used Horlick's malt. The malt imparts a very different flavor compared to a regular milkshake. As a child my uncle always added raw egg to the mix. Not sure I would risk that today. http://www.alscafe.com http://www.britsuperstore.com/acatalog/Horlicks.html I will say, I just saw on the second link that apparently malt is used as a sleep aid. Who Knew? Fri Mar 16 06:46:41 -0700 2007 2386827 71193 louweezy 2 3712998 louweezy... when I was young I used to go to Burns for chocolate malts all the time. Hands down, they had the best malts! I've always tried to figure out what made them so special. I'll have to see if I can't find the Horlicks locally. Now I'm on a mission... Thu May 22 15:23:05 -0700 2008 2391539 194508 Little Lulu 1 1 2391907 I still look for the malted ice cream cups at the ball game - the kind you eat with a flat wooden "spoon". Fri Mar 16 08:55:01 -0700 2007 2386827 78820 Zander 2 2395003 Me too... Sat Mar 17 10:29:52 -0700 2007 2391907 18466 a_and_w 2 2396460 I remember having those at Candlestick Park, but thats my only memory of them. Sun Mar 18 00:51:51 -0700 2007 2391907 69476 jwbarth 3 2399870 Yeah, they were a fixture at both the 'Stick and the Coliseum growing up... Mon Mar 19 09:37:51 -0700 2007 2396460 18466 a_and_w 1 2395854 But as far as consistency, there sno difference? right Sat Mar 17 18:08:43 -0700 2007 2386827 76968 steakrules85 2 2401617 Well... if the malt isn't well blended, there can be little slightly gritty lumps in the malted (and shame on the soda jerk!). I've also found that malteds have a slightly richer texture, and have a sugary warmth that complements the smooth creaminess of icecream. Of course, that may just be auto suggestion from the sweeter flavor. Mon Mar 19 16:37:26 -0700 2007 2395854 10904 Booklegger451 3 3717926 My favorite was a strawberry malt. My older brother once worked in an ice cream shop and I liked thick and lumpy malts. It was a skilled malt maker who could get the malt blended in (without lumps or dry spots and still make a thick, lumpy malt. More work because thicker is hard to hang onto under the mixer and you have to make it in stages. It took just the right amount of milk, too so if they got it wrong they usually added more ice cream, which sometimes meant I got more for my money! Sat May 24 14:07:05 -0700 2008 2401617 137946 Scargod 2 3715280 The only difference is the inclusion of malt or malted milk in a malted. It affects the taste but not texture. Fri May 23 11:28:04 -0700 2008 2395854 12821 ESNY 1 3716098 I can’t speak for other regions, but growing up in the MIdwest a malt was the same as a shake, (ice cream, a little milk, and the flavoring syrup), with the addition of malt powder. But what this thread got me thinking of is that when I was a kid, (I’m 49 now..), there seemed to be a general impression that putting in the malt powder made the whole thing “healthier” somehow. It was good for you, helped build bones or something... Kind of an old wives tale I guess, or maybe even a marketing ploy. I still LOVE the taste and would always have a malt rather then a shake given a choice. Uncle Ira Fri May 23 15:56:03 -0700 2008 2386827 14832 Uncle Ira 1 3716501 This all seemed so simple to me as a 60's kid/70's teenager: Milk, ice cream, syrup - milkshake Milk, ice cream, syrup, malt - malted milkshake Ice cream, syrup, soda water - ice cream soda Ice cream, soda pop (Coke, Root Beer, Dr. Pepper usually) - Float (Note: floats could occasionally have syrup added, as in a "Cherry Coke float" - I don't think Coke started producing their flavoured cokes until the 80's) But milk with syrup only? We called that "chocolate milk", or "strawberry milk", and as often as not, made it at home with Nestle Quik. Fri May 23 19:11:19 -0700 2008 2386827 48210 KevinB 1 3717770 When I was in the Navy I used to drink a lot of hot chocolate. I would stir in a spoon or two of malted milk powder. Very good on a cool evening aboard a submarine. Sat May 24 12:53:14 -0700 2008 2386827 189169 ChrisOC 1 3938520 Interesting thread - what no one has addressed is this: Since malt is a sugar would it be correct to say that ounce for ounce a Vanilla Shake has less calories than a Vanilla Malt? Thu Aug 07 12:16:25 -0700 2008 2386827 216756 DrMark