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steakrules85 Mar 14, 2007 06:59 PM

I don't want to sound dumb but what is the difference between them. I know a malt uses "malted milk" whatever that is. But what does it do for the taste or consistency?

  1. weinstein5 Mar 14, 2007 07:06 PM

    Not much for consistency but taste - from Wikipedia - Malted milk is malted barley, wheat flour and whole milk evaporated into a powder. The taste difference is hard to describe - I personally like it particularly Malted Vanilla Milkshakes -

    If you have ever had the candy Whoppers - they malted milk covered in chocolate -

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    1. re: weinstein5
      paulj Mar 16, 2007 10:18 AM

      Grapenuts are also flavored with malt.

      Malt is a sugar made from sprouted grain, usually barley. Malt seems to have fallen out of favor as a flavoring in the USA, but, judging from offerings in 'ethnic' markets and aisles, still popular elsewhere (Asia, India, Latin America).

      paulj

    2. bookwormchef Mar 14, 2007 07:07 PM

      A shake generally has milk in it. A malt does not.

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        weinstein5 Mar 14, 2007 07:14 PM

        As I understand it a malt - is a milkshake with malted milk powder added -

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          justagthing Mar 14, 2007 08:25 PM

          I think that you are correct. Also, a shake, although technically called a milk shake does not necessarily have milk in it, just ice cream.

          I love malt and use to buy carnation malt in a glass jar and add a couple of spoonfuls to my ice cold milk. Now I can't find it to buy. :(

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            Striver Mar 15, 2007 05:43 AM

            When I was a kid, and soda fountains were still common (early fifties), both had milk in them - one was simply a "Milk Shake" and the other, the one that was basically a milk shake with malt powder added, was a "Malted Milk Shake" ("malt" for short).

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              justagthing Mar 15, 2007 06:56 AM

              oic...so it was ice cream, milk, whatever flavor and malt or no malt...where those better?

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                feelinpeckish Mar 16, 2007 11:09 AM

                That was my experience (ie milk, ice cream - that was the flavor source mostly - and either malt or no malt). The one time I ordered a malted milk locally, they did it right and dumby me was incensed and unhappy. I rigidly stuck to milk shake after that.

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                  DockPotato Mar 18, 2007 06:31 AM

                  Not a case of better, just different. BTW if no milk was used it wasn't a shake - it was a "soda" or a "float" where i was raised. Again, not better, just different. This thread has stirred dormant cravings - all different, all good.

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                    bbqboy May 23, 2008 05:47 PM

                    Shouldn't a soda be made with soda water?

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                ballulah Mar 15, 2007 08:36 AM

                I bought some Carnation Malt just last week from a regular grocery store...and had a glass for breakfast this morning. Granted the jar is plastic now, but it's malt for sure.

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                  justagthing Mar 15, 2007 05:23 PM

                  what part of the country is that and can you say which market? thanks

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                    ballulah Mar 16, 2007 08:30 AM

                    I'm in NYC and it was just my local supermarket, actually it's the market in my area with the poorest selection of goods unless you're looking for Mexican ingredients. Bravo Supermarket (you don't find these in "better" neighborhoods! haha) on 181st and Broadway. I don't think it was a Latin import.

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                      rworange Mar 17, 2007 11:02 PM

                      If you are talking about Carnation Malted Milk mix, Von's would sell it. I'm guessing you are in the LA area from your profile posts. Here's a link to Safeway (aka Von's). It can be ordered online too if this is what you are looking for.
                      http://shop.safeway.com/dnet/RichProd...

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                        justagthing Mar 17, 2007 11:11 PM

                        thanks, i'll go and check my local von's

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                    CindyJ Mar 15, 2007 12:01 PM

                    I'd been looking for malt for a long time, and finally gave up. But just last week I was shopping in Shop Rite in Wilmington, DE and found it on the shelf, right next to the chocolate syrup and Ovaltine.

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                      JMF Mar 18, 2007 08:26 AM

                      justaqthing- How was it made if it had no milk? What liquid was used to blend it?

                      I worked at a Baskin Robbins for awhile as a teen. In my area (NYC) a milk shake is milk and ice cream run through a mixer. Consistency is as thick as possible but still able to drink through a straw. A malt / malted is a milk shake with malt powder or syrup added. An ice cream soda is a scoop of ice cream in a tall glass that was then filled with soda, preferably root beer. And an egg cream is a little milk, some chocolate or vanilla syrup and then filled with seltzer.

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                        justagthing Mar 18, 2007 02:27 PM

                        funny, when i use to make them at home i just used ice cream that was a bit melted and then added my strawberries or whatever. but what i really like is root beer and vanilla to make a shake, not a float, so therefore, no milk...suppose I was making it wrong, but it sure tasted right :)

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                          Will Owen Aug 7, 2008 05:14 PM

                          Ice cream in a glass with flavored soda pop is not a soda, but a float, the root beer ones also being called "Black Cows." An ice cream soda is ice cream in a glass, fruit or chocolate syrup added, carbonated soda water poured in, then finished off with the soda faucet pushed or pulled into the "squirt" position, where a very thin, high-speed jet creates a lot of creamy foam as a topping.

                          The possibilities of inventing fountain drinks are so many and varied that they won't necessarily all fit some existing name. My home favorite is to break a banana into a tall glass, add about a cup of milk and a heaping soup-spoon of Chocolate Malt Ovaltine and dump it into the blender. I'll add a scoop of ice cream if I'm feeling deeply self-indulgent...

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                          cookin Jul 21, 2010 07:46 AM

                          they sell it at kmart and giant eagle

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                          pearlD Mar 15, 2007 02:03 PM

                          My parents had a small restaurant (ie. greasy spoon) up until the mid 60's in Toronto...they always had 'malt powder' that you added to a regular milk shake(chocolate ice cream, milk and chocolate syrup (or vanilla syrup, vanilla ice cream & milk) The malt powder tasted sweet and if you held it on your tongue long enough it turned into a sweet and rich blob which you could then eat as a candy. The Malt Powder came in a rather large tin which was always kept on the shelf above the ice cream freezer along with the syrups and the tin (?) containers to make and serve the Shakes !

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                            justagthing Mar 15, 2007 05:21 PM

                            ok, I would take a spoonful or two and put it in my milk and then take a spoonful to play with, dipping it in the milk, licking it off and then doing exactly what you said, taking a spoonful in my mouth. yummy!

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                          Querencia May 22, 2008 09:23 PM

                          Bookwormchef, I spent several decades ordering malts at soda fountains where I sat at the counter watching the malt being made, and I guarantee you that through the 1930's, 1940's, 1940's, and 1960's when malts abounded, milk was used in the preparation along with ice cream, malted milk powder, and flavoring (like chocolate syrup). Also I have made them with milk at home for longer than that. Ice cream alone would make the mixture too thick to be processed in a malted milk mixer and it wouldn't go through a straw.

                        5. JMF Mar 14, 2007 08:11 PM

                          A malted is a milk shake that has malt powder or syrup added. They are sooo much better. there isn't much that beats a peach malted.

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                            smartie Mar 14, 2007 08:33 PM

                            Horlicks works if you can get it in the USA

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                              bitsubeats Mar 14, 2007 10:26 PM

                              I just saw some Horlicks today at the local chinese supermarket. I hear its very popular in Hong Kong.

                              is ovaltine a malt based drink?

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                                justagthing Mar 14, 2007 11:32 PM

                                if it is, it sure doesn't taste as good as good ol' malt

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                                  k_d May 22, 2008 07:45 PM

                                  Yes, Ovaltine is chocolate malt. And if you buy the Asian branded Ovaltines in Asian markets, you will find a product that is much less sweet and "chocolatey," and way more malty than the American product.

                                  Horlicks, otoh, is even less sweet. I like it, but it's much more malty than Americans normally like

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                                dukegirl Mar 15, 2007 07:00 AM

                                I think you'll find that milkshake terminology varies greatly from region to region. In New England, a milkshake or shake is ice cream and milk. In other parts of the country, a shake, or milkshake, has no ice cream. Even more specifically, if you ask for a frappe in the Boston area, you'll get milk and ice cream. In Rhode Island, the same is called a cabinet. Then, there's the Fribble or the Awful Awful.... =)

                                You can add "malted" to any of them.

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                                  CindyJ Mar 15, 2007 12:04 PM

                                  In NYC, a "frappe" used to be another word for an ice cream sundae. We never asked for a milk shake at the corner candy store in Brooklyn -- we always asked for a malted.

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                                    manraysky Mar 15, 2007 01:35 PM

                                    My first job was at a dairy bar in Middleboro, Massachusetts (near Cape Cod). If you asked for a "milkshake" you got milk and flavored syrup, whipped up with the blender. You ordered a "frappe" if you wanted ice cream, milk, and flavored syrup. And we didn't serve malts at all.

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                                      dukegirl Mar 15, 2007 04:06 PM

                                      Yeah, I never remembered the malt option at all when I was a kid in Massachusetts, but I'm starting to see it a bit more often now.

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                                      BostonBarGuy Mar 16, 2007 08:48 AM

                                      I grew up a little north Boston and used to love getting vanilla frappes at Friendly's on a hot summer day. I used to suck up the milk with the straw and then pour as much of the ice cream and milk mixture into my mouth that I could stand without getting "head freeze". Even in Boston today when I order a frappe the young servers look at me like I'm a dinosaur. I thing Brighams had frappes also, not to be confused with the Friendly's fribble...

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                                        dukegirl Mar 16, 2007 12:30 PM

                                        Ah, was it Brighams who had the Awful Awful?

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                                          hummingbird Mar 17, 2007 09:56 PM

                                          I remember them from Newport Creamrey:

                                          http://www.newportcreamery.com/menu_d...

                                          Drink 3 get one free.

                                    3. Foureyes137 Mar 15, 2007 08:41 AM

                                      At least here in the upper midwest and in Texas (the area I grew up in anyway) a milkshake is blended ice cream and milk.

                                      A malt is ice cream, milk and malt (malted milk).

                                      For my parents whom grew up on the east coast, a malted is just milk and malt.

                                      As for the flavor, a malt, tastes, well, malted. There really isn't anything I can imagine comparing the flavor to. Plus since I think everyone has eaten a malted milk ball, you'll know what I mean.

                                      Me, I'm a black cow malt fan myself.

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                                        rachelmh Jul 20, 2010 01:55 PM

                                        I am from St Paul, MN and grew up with the term 'malt' meaning ice cream (any flavor) mixed with a little milk and carnation malt powder. I recently moved southwest of the cities and not one person I have asked knows what a malt is! I just think it's so funny that they've only had shakes!! My fiance now loves malts and it's all we ever make. Carnation malt powder is the best:)

                                      2. Carrie 218 Mar 15, 2007 02:07 PM

                                        I am a huge malt fan -- and for me, it is a malted espresso shake; coffee ice cream, a shot of espresso, more malt than seems right, and a splash of milk (or half-and-half, when feeling especially decadent).

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                                          debbiel Mar 15, 2007 04:42 PM

                                          We called them malteds growing up in non-Chicago northern Illinois, and we loved them. I always went for the chocolate malted and my big brother taught me to ask for loads extra malt. I haven't had one for years and years but I'm gonna have to seek one out now.

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                                            jeffskal Mar 15, 2007 11:00 PM

                                            I used to get Malted Milkshakes at the drug store soda fountain on the Boardwalk at Haddon Hall (now Resorts Casino) in Atlantic City in the '60s - it was the best, and it was Ice Cream, Milk and a lot of (probably Carnations) Malt.

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                                              Querencia Mar 16, 2007 06:29 AM

                                              Does anybody else remember Frosted Malted? It came out of a machine the consistency of Soft-Serve but was chocolately and malty. I used to get it in Rochester NY 1942-1945 and have never found it or heard of it anywhere else. Wish I had some now.

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                                                DonShirer Mar 17, 2007 05:21 PM

                                                Used to get frosted malteds after a matinee in Lakewood, Ohio, late 1930's. Good tasting. However my most memorable concoctions were the thick ones I made for my father when I was a teenage soda jerk. You could hold the can upside down and it wouldn't pour out. The druggist charged extra, but I'm sure he lost money on each one. Malted milks ( midwestern style) were same as milkshakes: ice cream, syrup and (horlick's?) malt powder.

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                                                  GaryGG Jul 11, 2010 07:40 PM

                                                  I found your reference to "Frosted Malted" as I was searching for info on The Frosty Palace in Cedartown, Georgia.

                                                  As a child in WWII, one of my rare good memories was having a Frosted Malt as I knew it. It was served in a cone shaped glass with a long spoon. I loved that "bite" of the malt, and being a nut about anything mechanical, marveled at the big shiny machine that dispensed both vanilla and chocolate malt.

                                                  The Frosty Palace went out of business by 1950, and I've never found anything that matches that flavor.

                                                  I hope I can duplicate it one day, just for personal satisfaction. I intend check around some of the alternative food stores here in the North Atlanta burbs to see if they might have a good malt powder. I understand King Arthur Mills has a malt that might give that "bite" that Carnation or Ovaltine lacks.

                                                  BTW, after all these years, I still remember getting off the train from Brunswick, GA and driving my mom crazy until she took me to the Frosty Palace. The memory is so vivid, I can just see the high stamped metal ceiling and the red trim on the banquettes.

                                                2. louweezy Mar 16, 2007 06:46 AM

                                                  When I was young, there was a pharmacy in Elgin, IL called Burns. They made the worlds best shakes & malts. After they closed, a delightful man by the name of Al purchased their super-secret recipe, & opened Al's Creamery. He passed away a number of years ago, but his place still lives on. If I recall correctly they always used Horlick's malt. The malt imparts a very different flavor compared to a regular milkshake. As a child my uncle always added raw egg to the mix. Not sure I would risk that today.
                                                  http://www.alscafe.com
                                                  http://www.britsuperstore.com/acatalo...
                                                  I will say, I just saw on the second link that apparently malt is used as a sleep aid.
                                                  Who Knew?

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                                                    Little Lulu 1 May 22, 2008 03:23 PM

                                                    louweezy... when I was young I used to go to Burns for chocolate malts all the time. Hands down, they had the best malts! I've always tried to figure out what made them so special. I'll have to see if I can't find the Horlicks locally. Now I'm on a mission...

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                                                    Zander Mar 16, 2007 08:55 AM

                                                    I still look for the malted ice cream cups at the ball game - the kind you eat with a flat wooden "spoon".

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                                                      a_and_w Mar 17, 2007 10:29 AM

                                                      Me too...

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                                                        jwbarth Mar 18, 2007 12:51 AM

                                                        I remember having those at Candlestick Park, but thats my only memory of them.

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                                                          a_and_w Mar 19, 2007 09:37 AM

                                                          Yeah, they were a fixture at both the 'Stick and the Coliseum growing up...

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                                                        steakrules85 Mar 17, 2007 06:08 PM

                                                        But as far as consistency, there sno difference? right

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                                                          Booklegger451 Mar 19, 2007 04:37 PM

                                                          Well... if the malt isn't well blended, there can be little slightly gritty lumps in the malted (and shame on the soda jerk!). I've also found that malteds have a slightly richer texture, and have a sugary warmth that complements the smooth creaminess of icecream. Of course, that may just be auto suggestion from the sweeter flavor.

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                                                            Scargod May 24, 2008 02:07 PM

                                                            My favorite was a strawberry malt. My older brother once worked in an ice cream shop and I liked thick and lumpy malts. It was a skilled malt maker who could get the malt blended in (without lumps or dry spots and still make a thick, lumpy malt. More work because thicker is hard to hang onto under the mixer and you have to make it in stages. It took just the right amount of milk, too so if they got it wrong they usually added more ice cream, which sometimes meant I got more for my money!

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                                                            ESNY May 23, 2008 11:28 AM

                                                            The only difference is the inclusion of malt or malted milk in a malted. It affects the taste but not texture.

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                                                            Uncle Ira May 23, 2008 03:56 PM

                                                            I can’t speak for other regions, but growing up in the MIdwest a malt was the same as a shake, (ice cream, a little milk, and the flavoring syrup), with the addition of malt powder.

                                                            But what this thread got me thinking of is that when I was a kid, (I’m 49 now..), there seemed to be a general impression that putting in the malt powder made the whole thing “healthier” somehow. It was good for you, helped build bones or something... Kind of an old wives tale I guess, or maybe even a marketing ploy.

                                                            I still LOVE the taste and would always have a malt rather then a shake given a choice.

                                                            Uncle Ira

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                                                              KevinB May 23, 2008 07:11 PM

                                                              This all seemed so simple to me as a 60's kid/70's teenager:

                                                              Milk, ice cream, syrup - milkshake
                                                              Milk, ice cream, syrup, malt - malted milkshake
                                                              Ice cream, syrup, soda water - ice cream soda
                                                              Ice cream, soda pop (Coke, Root Beer, Dr. Pepper usually) - Float
                                                              (Note: floats could occasionally have syrup added, as in a "Cherry Coke float" - I don't think Coke started producing their flavoured cokes until the 80's)

                                                              But milk with syrup only? We called that "chocolate milk", or "strawberry milk", and as often as not, made it at home with Nestle Quik.

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                                                                Bob W Jul 20, 2010 02:24 PM

                                                                In RI, milk plus syrup (I'll take coffee) plus a blender = a milkshake.

                                                              2. ChrisOC May 24, 2008 12:53 PM

                                                                When I was in the Navy I used to drink a lot of hot chocolate. I would stir in a spoon or two of malted milk powder. Very good on a cool evening aboard a submarine.

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                                                                  DrMark Aug 7, 2008 12:16 PM

                                                                  Interesting thread - what no one has addressed is this: Since malt is a sugar would it be correct to say that ounce for ounce a Vanilla Shake has less calories than a Vanilla Malt?

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                                                                    RosePearl Jul 21, 2010 02:23 AM

                                                                    The taste? Well, the malt elevates a mere mash of ice cream and syrup to something special. I used to order them at Ruby's, but I got tired of gritty malts. Blend it with a bit of milk first, to dissolve!

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                                                                      Will Owen Mar 3, 2011 11:58 AM

                                                                      Funny, I always liked to run into crunchy malt bits - that's why I always looked to make sure the shop used malt powder instead of the malt syrup.

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                                                                      alatsata Sep 16, 2010 12:51 PM

                                                                      a shake is a milk shake, milk and any syrup flavoring (New England style ie, no ice cream. Add ic and you have a frappe.) As for the malted milk, it, too, is a NE shake with the malt powder added. Usuaully, one orders a chocolate malt. If you want to know what it tastes like, try finding malted milk balls, a crunchy, chocolate coated candy. It's a NE and Northeast treat.

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                                                                        bbqboy Sep 16, 2010 01:44 PM

                                                                        Malted milk balls are pretty widespread.

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                                                                          789 Mar 3, 2011 06:37 AM

                                                                          If you really want to taste the difference between a malt, milkshake or a fountain drink there is this restaurant in Port Townsend, WA called the Nifty Fiftys Soda Fountain (817 Water St
                                                                          Port Townsend, WA 98368). They have a working jukebox with a sorter at each table. My husband and I embarrassed our son by putting quarter after quarter in the machine to play oldies.

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                                                                          Will Owen Mar 3, 2011 12:00 PM

                                                                          alatsata, that's a regional thing peculiar to New England. In most of the country a milkshake has ice cream in it, and nobody knows from "frappe".

                                                                        3. Delucacheesemonger Mar 3, 2011 07:21 AM

                                                                          Not to be a downer on an old thread, but malt, whether in beer, malted milk balls, or as malted milk tastes great, but is the worst thing for those with gout. Nothing is higher in purines except some organ meats. This certainly does not affect taste, but may scare the hell out of some users.

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                                                                            Will Owen Mar 3, 2011 12:02 PM

                                                                            Jeez, thanks for the warning! I was starting to think seriously about running out for one …

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                                                                            alatsata Mar 3, 2011 12:08 PM

                                                                            a milk shake is milk plus any flavoring like chocolate, vanilla, strawberry, or coffee. A malted milk is any of these plus malt powder. there is no consistency change though the flavor is different. Buy a box of malted milk balls for the taste. malted milk is popular in NYC.

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                                                                              bbqboy Mar 3, 2011 01:16 PM

                                                                              maybe a milk shake is that where you are, but not the country at large. What you describe is chocolate(or fill in the blank) milk, nothing more.

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                                                                                Will Owen Mar 3, 2011 01:40 PM

                                                                                Right. My "shakes" made with milk, Ovaltine and a banana are good, but unless I dropped a scoop or two of ice cream in there I couldn't get away with selling them as "milkshakes" here in CA, in the Midwest or the Southeast for sure. Smoothies, maybe …

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                                                                                  bbqboy Mar 3, 2011 07:37 PM

                                                                                  wow! I didn't realize Ovaltine still existed. Can Bosco be far behind? :)

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                                                                                    Will Owen Mar 3, 2011 09:16 PM

                                                                                    Not only does Ovaltine exist, if you have a good Asian market in your neighborhood you'll probably be able to get the ORIGINAL formula, more malty and less sweet than the current North American recipe, since the Asians and Europeans like it that way. And so do I.

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                                                                                  Karl S Mar 4, 2011 04:50 AM

                                                                                  In the Boston area, there is different local terminology. Milkshake vs frappe (the latter being a single-syllable word, please).

                                                                              2. dave_c Mar 3, 2011 01:20 PM

                                                                                Malt. A malt is a milk shake with added malt powder.

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                                                                                  Uncle Bob Mar 4, 2011 04:15 AM

                                                                                  It's really just that simple!! ~~ Milk shake = Ice Cream, a flavoring, a dash of milk for a thick shake, a little more for a thinner shake. Add malt for a "Malt" ~~ Around here Vanilla, Chocolate, and Strawberry rule!! ~~ A chocolate malt and a hamburger from the Soda Fountain in the old drug store Rocks!!!

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