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PommeDeGuerre Mar 8, 2007 07:21 PM

...and appreciating food are not the same thing. Probably a bit condescending, Probably mostly true.

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  1. graffitipassion Mar 9, 2007 02:39 PM

    I am an advocate of intuitive eating. If you order a plate that is more than the standard portion for a meal, and you eat it because you haven't eaten for quite some time, then fine. Your body will tell you are full for a long time. Eventually, maybe 6-9 hours later you will get hungry again.

    Maybe you aren't hungry at all, but you eat anyway because of the social situation. Fine. You probably won't eat as much and take the leftovers home for lunch.

    Sure, portion size is out of wack in this country. But if you have eating habits that are not seriously attached to emotions, than its not a big deal.

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      bonmann Mar 10, 2007 05:25 AM

      I agree that eating habits should not be tied to emotions but the entire concept of comfort foods based on that concept.

      Above in this thread is a long string about being forced to eat everything on your plate; another thing weighing on our emotions when we eat.

      Some people can recognize and overcome these emotional traps but I believe that a great deal of our obesity problem can be traced to emotional responses to food. I have a sister who is a stress eater. When she is highly stressed she can eat half a jar of Jiff peanut butter in one sitting.

      Did you never have any emotional responses to food or did you get over yours? How do you suggest others get over theirs?

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    2. PommeDeGuerre Mar 9, 2007 02:28 PM

      Alas, no one defends the glutton monkey; but then, perhaps he didn't need defending,

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      1. ipsedixit Mar 9, 2007 09:11 AM

        When I saw the title of your post, three words popped into my mind ...

        LAS and VEGAS and BUFFET.

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          PommeDeGuerre Mar 9, 2007 10:14 AM

          And then you came in here and were exposed to the stark severity...

          Ha.

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          swsidejim Mar 9, 2007 08:22 AM

          I was one of those kids who was forced sit for 2-3 hours after dinner was over looking at the food I refused to at, and then be sent to my room for after that.

          Portions are large, but I typically do not eat all that is on my plate (except when a Filet, crab legs, or ribs are on there.)

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            MeAndroo Mar 9, 2007 08:44 AM

            Ha! Same here! Mine were almost always veggies, however, and I think my parents got the point across. Sitting in a dark kitchen while your brother and sister play because I didn't want to eat broccoli quickly forced me to comply.

            I think another part of this whole issue is leftovers. I personally love leftovers, and sometimes order large meals because I plan on finishing them for lunch the next day...sometimes for the day after that as well. I know a number of people who NEVER take leftovers, and they adjust their orders as such. There's nothing wrong with not finishing your plate and refusing to reheat it tomorrow, but I find that mentality helps me from overeating at any given sitting.

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              swsidejim Mar 9, 2007 08:55 AM

              I always had veggies left, and sometimes I would put too much ketchup, bbq sauce, or salad dressing on my plate, and I was supposed to finish that as well....

              I am not a big fan of leftovers, I take them and my wife usually has them for lunch during the workweek.

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              mamaciita Mar 9, 2007 01:17 PM

              My father-in-law hs tried this with my children who are now 5 and 2. They have NEVER filled their own plates at his house, and so I have NEVER expected them to clean them.

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                MeAndroo Mar 9, 2007 01:47 PM

                I never filled my plate either, but in my house when your parents insist you eat veggies, you eat them or you sit for a while. I'm not sure how effective a tactic this is, since it attaches a negative experience to eating them, but I sure ate them then.

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                  swsidejim Mar 9, 2007 01:52 PM

                  In my case it came with the territiory of having a father who grew up during the depression, so wasting food was not acceptable.

                  But I could be as hard headed as he was, I could sit for hours, and I still wasnt going to eat those butter beans, liver, or other things I thought were disgusting( I still think butter beans are disgusting btw).

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                    SweetPea Mar 10, 2007 05:09 AM

                    Me too. But we had a dog. A clever, quiet little dog.

                    When we went to cafeterias we could have whatever we wanted - ah the temptation. But we had to pay for what we did not eat out of our allowance. Somehow it taught portion control instead of stuffing rather than paying.

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            3. jfood Mar 9, 2007 08:22 AM

              I never thought I would say this but one of the most used items in my kitchen is the elctronic scale.

              Oh the pleasure of cooking Sunday dinner. What a treat. Lots of food, plate it up beautifully and served way too much to everyone. Then the scale. I started weighing the portions. ~4oz on the meat, a resonable amount of sides. And you know what, pleasantness of the meal did not go away.

              How did we change? Either i bought a smaller roast and cooked less sides or I planned on the food covering a second meal. I was happy both with the way I felt in my belly and my wallet. So instead of sticking extra dollars and calories into the belly, plan a little better, weigh your food for a week or so to get an understanding of portion size to weight and you will feel better in many ways.

              I can not address the eat-out theory, but I shake my head at many places people eat. Not in a condenscending manner, but the healthlessness in what they put in there bodies in one sitting is just so damned depressing.

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                hotoynoodle Mar 9, 2007 08:52 AM

                for a few weeks i was measuring my food too. i often cook just for one, but make a big pot of something to last a few days. a cup of cereal or a cup of lentils was a lot smaller than i'd imagined. every so often i double check, but i have a good idea now of how full my bowl should look.

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                  MeAndroo Mar 9, 2007 09:09 AM

                  Cereal is one of those areas I don't care about portion size. Unless I'm eating something really sugary, I feel like I can handle a double portion of Honey Bunches of Oats. It's better than some of the other options out there.

                  I do agree that weighing your food, or properly measuring it can definitely give perspective. The one that really got me was juice...I used to drink big glasses of OJ and I eventually realized that I was getting way too much sugar from it. That 8 oz glass doesn't stretch as far, but it's nice to know what I'm getting.

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                    hotoynoodle Mar 9, 2007 10:39 AM

                    and a recommended serving of juice is actually 4 oz!

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                swsidejim Mar 9, 2007 05:21 AM

                regarding the "portion control problem in our country".. just because the restaurant puts a large portion in front of you does not mean you have to eat it all. Folks need to learn to practice a little self control, and push themselves away from the table.

                The real "problem with our country" is that people refuse to take responsibility for their actions, and want to blame, or even sue everyone for anything.

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                  flourgirl Mar 9, 2007 06:01 AM

                  So true.

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                    Ted in Central NJ Mar 9, 2007 08:05 AM

                    I agree that personal responsibility has a lot to do with the problem, but the fact remains that portions in this country are unrealistically large. A good example is the bagel. What used to be fairly small is now the size of a Chevy hubcap in almost every instance. When someone purchases something like a bagel or a doughnut, the implication is that this is one serving. In reality, that "serving" is all out of proportion to the reality of a person's nutritional/caloric needs.

                    Yes, personal responsibility important, but as several studies have shown, people will tend to eat what is on their plate in most instances. (Perhaps remembering mother's admonition to finish everything on the plate)

                    The majority of people would never consider suing a restaurant, and the highly publicized suits against McDonald's and others are the exception to the rule. What is not an exception to the rule is the out-of-control size of portions in this country, unlike in most other nations. Unfortunately, huge portions now seem to be the norm, and restauranteurs are not doing their customers any favors with this trend.

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                      hotoynoodle Mar 9, 2007 08:25 AM

                      those suits all were thrown out.

                      fact is, american customers equate quantity with value. unless a portion is bigger than their head, they complain it's too small. i've spent most of my career in high-end dining. entree protein portions are usually between 6-8oz. a recommended daily serving is 3-4oz. because they're used to seeing a 12oz salmon filet at some chain, the guests quite frequently complain that the serving is too skimpy. they somehow feel cheated unless the portion is *more* than they can finish.

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                        jfood Mar 9, 2007 08:28 AM

                        How true. Show a person what a 4oz piece of salmon looks like. They'll laugh at you when you tell them this is what you should eat. Try to buy a 4oz salmon steak from a fishmonger, forgetaboutit. Almost impossible.

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                          Barbara76137 Nov 25, 2010 02:13 PM

                          Look at the packaged meat (could be beef, pork, chicken) in any supermarket. Divide the weight by the number of pieces of meat. Definitely not 3-4oz. pieces. I used to buy one piece of beef, pork, or even bison for the ex and his son and cut it in half before they even saw the package to try to help portion control with them. If I left the one piece in the package, even if it weighed up to 10-12oz., they would think I was starving them.

                          I think mamaciita really hit on the fact that if you are being served crappy food, you will tend to overeat, but if you have really good food that satisfies you, you will stop eating earlier. I have one diet cookbook that stresses using really good quality, very flavorful cheeses, since even though the cheese is high in fat, you can use very little and be satisfied.

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                          amopdx Mar 9, 2007 11:00 AM

                          I agree americans eat too large of portions (i usually try to take about 1/2 of my meal home to eat later in the day or for lunch the next day)

                          I think part of the problem is how we eat. Many people don't take time to actually enjoy their food. Large bites with fork in hand while chewing ready to take the next bite. What helps me eat less... I try to take small bites and focus on the flavor of the food during each bite i also try to put my fork down while chewing (kind of hard for me at times-). Eating slower gives my brain time to get the message that my stomach is full before my whole plate of food is gone.

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                            Barbara76137 Nov 25, 2010 02:19 PM

                            'enjoy their food'.....ahhh, what a concept. A friend of mine who lives in Colorado had a horrible bout with her gallbladder right before she was to visit her mother in France. I was really worried that she'd be miserable in France, but when we talked after her trip she said that she didn't have a single problem there! She attributed it to the relaxed eating there, and savoring every moment. As soon as she got back to CO she had problems and will have surgery. Gees.....if I had a choice between gallbladder surgery and France, I'd just move to France!!! :)

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                            mamaciita Mar 9, 2007 01:15 PM

                            Anyone know the comparative calorie counts for a Big Mac meal vs Olive Garden's Alfredo du jour?

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                              swsidejim Mar 9, 2007 01:38 PM

                              I just looked it up:

                              According Wikipedia the Big Mac in America is 540 calories, the site said calorie counts vary by country.

                              Another source calorie king.com told me the lunch fettucini alfredo @ olive garden has 850 calories.

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                                hotoynoodle Mar 10, 2007 07:17 AM

                                nutritiondata.com weighs in the big mac at 590, with 310 cals from fat. the lunch portion alfredo has 432 fat calories.

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                                  swsidejim Mar 10, 2007 09:36 AM

                                  gotta love the internet, different sources, different calorie counts.

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                                    hotoynoodle Mar 10, 2007 10:20 AM

                                    i've seen too many errors in wikipedia to trust it. sorry. but hey, MINE sounds more scary, lol.

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                        3. mamaciita Mar 9, 2007 04:51 AM

                          I don't think that most people understand the importance of portion size--even regarding "healthy" foods.

                          The other thing that happens--especially in restaurants that adhere to the "bigger is better" concept (and the dreaded "all-you-can-eat") is that the huge portions are made up of crappy food that isn't really satisfying, anyway. Then there's always the bread basket and the previously mentioned monolithic desserts. . .

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                          1. flourgirl Mar 9, 2007 04:21 AM

                            We definitely have a portion problem in this country. And the problem is that when restaurants try to serve normal sized portions to people, people react by saying that they feel cheated because the portion was so "skimpy." I think it's absolutely true that most people value quantity over quality when they go out to eat. It is the only explanation for the continued survival of so many truly bad restaurants.

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                              Ted in Central NJ Mar 9, 2007 02:03 AM

                              Yes, it is true that they are not the same thing, and one only has to visit a place like The Cheescake Factory to see gluttony at work. While some people rave over the food at that establishment, I am convinced that the IMMENSE portions are what really brings people back for the decidedly mediocre food at Cheesecake Factory.

                              And then, after consuming enough calories to sustain a person for at least two days, some people proceed to order one of the high-calorie desserts. Is it any wonder that Americans' butts are getting wider by the year?

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                                spigot Mar 14, 2007 10:03 PM

                                It's really horrifyingly true about American restaurants. I'm Canadian and in the past few months I've been taken, in the U.S., to The Cheesecake Factory, California Pizza Kitchen, Applebee's and Denny's (hanging with the wrong crowd for sure).

                                Huge portions. And at CPK I was talking too much and didn't pay enough attention to the menu - in trying to eat something smallish, I ordered what turned out to be a deepfried "egg roll" of bacon cheese and tomato, with RANCH SAUCE on the side. And even it -an app- was four pieces, each the size of my head; disgusting.

                                I will also never forget a lunch years ago at Junior's - famous deli/coffeeshop in Brooklyn - at which I ordered a rueben and fries that was literally enough for a family of four.

                                I don't get Americans. For sure it's a 'value' thing, but I still don't really get it.

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