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The end of the world is truly upon us...

Husky Mar 1, 2007 04:31 PM

http://wonderpizzausa.com/

  1. coastie Mar 1, 2007 04:34 PM

    freaky - no wonder no one cares what they eat

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    1. re: coastie
      LT from LF Mar 1, 2007 05:47 PM

      I wonder where they got the little Italian guys small enough to go into the machine....

      1. re: LT from LF
        Husky Mar 1, 2007 05:59 PM

        Calabria -- my family has some really short guys!

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        ishmael Mar 3, 2007 06:43 AM

        How does one make the enormous leap of logic from an automated pizza vending machine to " no one cares what they eat"???

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          coastie Mar 3, 2007 09:15 PM

          I believe food and pizza should be made with fresh ingredients. We can 't always eat fresh but I see no reason to eat my food out of a vending machine. People who are content to eat such food have in my opinion a less developed palette and will settle for anything hot and greasey. Less people sit down for real meals on a regualr basis and their standards are lower.
          What do you supose the creator of this post meant with " the end of the world is upon us"??
          Pizza should be fresh and have fresh basil and garlic - not powdered and rehydrated ingredients

          1. re: coastie
            jfood Mar 4, 2007 04:53 AM

            Wow, all those broad brushed accusations. First of all hot and greasy can be delicious as well. I find the invention very funny and you know what, if I see one of these machine my AMEX card is going into the little bugger to gather data before reaching conclusions. BTW I taste chicken soup before adding salt.

            - First you say fresh, then you make and take your own exit ramp.
            - So the pizza that is made with organic everything is not hot and greasy? I don;t think so.
            - I have a less developed palette cause i buy something to fill my gut running between meetings? I donl;'t think so
            - "Less people sit down for real meals on a regualr basis and their standards are lower" what does this mean? The "less" people sit and have real lower standard meals. A little condenscending don'tcha think.

            I understand that Rachel Ray is planning her own vending machines called "3-Second Meals". I think that's the tone of the OP "the end of...

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              coastie Mar 4, 2007 05:34 PM

              I have no problem with hot and greasy - love hot and greasy. ( pizza doesn't have to be) I'll admit I like mine a little greasy. My problem is with quality - this is toaster oven pizza and has its place, like small airports, bars.
              Leavened dough, cheese without extra starch added. Maybe some real garlic and fresh basil - I find it hard to beat the flavors of fresh vegetables
              If you don't eat the good stuff you sure don't know what you are missing. Fast food has seperated people from the origin, flavor, nutritive value of their food. I believe when more of us cooked at home and we sat down and took our meals together we got more value out of our food and hopefully the ethnic family meals were such that one "made" food and didn't just get an anonymous food items with secret sauce.
              People have less value for the human effort put into an item when it is spit out of a machine.
              I'm glad you were given the opportunity to develop your palette, dining out of machines doesn't give much in that department. As more of our society gets its meals out of machines - the standards get lowered and we care less.
              The mom & pop can't compete with the chains as it is. Let alone a free standing machine. Less rent , less workers comp, no product spoilage. So pizza from the machine can be so much cheaper therefore driving market and social change for the worse.

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                jzerocsk Mar 5, 2007 08:02 AM

                Maybe I have too much faith in humanity, but I don't think your average father of two on a Friday night is going to say "Honey, I'm going to pop on over to the pizza machine and pick up some dinner for us."

                Like all snack machines, these would be best served in places where they are likely to be purchases of impulse, convenience or necessity (colleges, laundromats, offices, motels/hotels). I would be no more concerned about pizza machines putting mom-and-pop pizza joints out of business than I would about soda machines putting the corner general store out of business.

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                SusanSDG Mar 4, 2007 07:17 PM

                Palate! Please tell me you're jokimg about the Rachel Ray meals!

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                  jfood Mar 5, 2007 03:53 AM

                  Yes S. I think the OP was being sarcastic in the "end of the world" comment and mine, likewise. Personally i would better watch RR for 30 seconds than 30 minutes

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                  Alice Letseat Mar 6, 2007 06:47 AM

                  A small, tiny note (meant for many more on these boards as well)...it's a PALATE with which you taste (foods). A palette is a tray on which an artist arranges his paints. Thank you.

                  1. re: Alice Letseat
                    jfood Mar 6, 2007 06:57 AM

                    I could not figure out why everyone was pointing this out since i know the diff. Please do not tell Mrs Jfood about my misspelling as she is an artist. And she arranges "her" paints.

                    I guess I have to go home and throw out my "Silver Palette" cookbooks. No wonder the recipes always had a metallic taste. :-)))

                  2. re: jfood
                    Neely_Ohara Mar 7, 2007 09:05 AM

                    >>Less people sit down for real meals on a regualr basis and their standards are lower" what does this mean? The "less" people sit and have real lower standard meals. A little condenscending don'tcha think.

                    I read "less" as a grammatical error for "fewer," not as an adjective to describe "lesser" people....

                  3. re: coastie
                    TonyO Mar 5, 2007 08:09 AM

                    Vending machines serve a valuable purpose and those of us in the industry that truly take pride in our business understand our role especially in the workplace and in public locations. Granted, I wouldn't expect anyone to stop ordering from there favorite pizzeria in favor of this, but it has nothing to do with a "less developed palette". Not everyone has access to Babbo during lunch.

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                bonmann Mar 2, 2007 09:56 AM

                When did pizza become "America's most popular food source"?

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                  Jeserf Mar 2, 2007 09:57 AM

                  is pizza a source of food?

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                    bonmann Mar 2, 2007 10:10 AM

                    Kind of what I was wondering? Wording used to attract those who are interested in knowing the providence of thier food? But is that really the target audience of vending machine pizza? I can't believe I just wrote that phrase.

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                      Melanie Wong Mar 3, 2007 08:50 PM

                      What's food "providence"?

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                        Leonardo Mar 3, 2007 09:32 PM

                        Melanie, that was a good malapropism.
                        I think the poster meant "provenance", meaning where all of its components come from and who made them!

                        I've never understood why truly fresh pizza gets so little respect. People are content to have it out of the freezer, delivered, takeout...all things that degrade what makes it so great...

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                          bonmann Mar 5, 2007 05:09 AM

                          spelling error, sorry.

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                            Nom De Plume Mar 5, 2007 09:17 AM

                            Not nearly as bad as the spelling error on the website: the fourth word of the sentence "It is an appealing, convenient, hot, nutritious, tasty pizza delivered in approximately two minutes" should be spelled "appalling."

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                              ishmael Mar 5, 2007 10:14 AM

                              How do you know it's appaling?? Have you tried it?? In keeping with the spirit of this site one would hope that we keep an open mind until it has actaully passed our lips. Let's be fair and not pass judgement on something based on our predisposition to dislike certain things. For all we know it could be a transcendent experience although I'm not holding my breath.

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                                Nom De Plume Mar 5, 2007 02:15 PM

                                I tried it in England, when someone in our travel group got one (I didn't even know at the time that it had come out of a vending machine, thought it was just lunch cart fare). "Appalling" has two more syllables and five more letters than the word that most accurately described it.

                      2. re: Jeserf
                        Davwud Mar 3, 2007 06:27 AM

                        Actually, I'm reading it as the vending machine is "America's most popular food source." If that's so. That's scary.

                        DT

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                          bonmann Mar 3, 2007 07:02 AM

                          You're right that is more scary.

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                      jzerocsk Mar 2, 2007 10:12 AM

                      "In negation of habitually accepted sense common medical that it indicates that the food that one really enjoys tends to be bad for the health, investigators of the Farmacológico Institute of Milan discovered that to eat one or pizzas per week more reduces drastically the incidence of some types of cancer.

                      A study done on 8,000 Italians detected that the regular consumers of pizza were the 59 percent less prone to contract esophagus cancer, whereas the risk of developing colon cancer fell a 26 percent. "

                      I don't know about the rest of you guys, but I'm sold! I didn't realize Italians ate pizza from vending machines...that's cool :-)

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                        Ellen Mar 2, 2007 11:35 AM

                        But c'mon, if you see one won't you be tempted to try it?

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                          HillJ Mar 2, 2007 11:59 AM

                          How long are you willing to stand in front of a vending machine?

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                            JK Grence the Cosmic Jester Mar 3, 2007 02:49 AM

                            Judging by the website, you'd have to be willing to stand there for about two minutes.

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                              HillJ Mar 3, 2007 03:58 AM

                              2 mins for a fresh pizza? Does that makes sense to you?

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                                bonmann Mar 3, 2007 05:01 AM

                                I think fresh from a vending machine is an oxymoron.

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                                  HillJ Mar 3, 2007 05:46 AM

                                  I guess the public will decide.

                          2. kare_raisu Mar 3, 2007 06:16 AM

                            I had heard the Japanese have vending machines for cans of Oden - the fishcakes in broth.

                            1. Velma Mar 3, 2007 02:09 PM

                              I looked all over the website for the ingredients in those pizzas and couldn't find it. That is scary. Oh well, if they put one in our breakroom, that thing will be spitting out pizza all day long.

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                                ricepad Mar 5, 2007 08:52 AM

                                If "food from a vending machine" = "end of the world", the end is taking a very long time. I seem to recall the first 'fresh food' [sic] vending machines came out in the 1950s.

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                                1. re: ricepad
                                  TonyO Mar 5, 2007 09:14 AM

                                  Yeah, and about 7 billion dollars a year are spent in vending machines worldwide. I think there are many more evil things in the world than vending machines !

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                                  Panini Guy Mar 6, 2007 04:41 AM

                                  If people here actually think there's a chance these could be tasty... yikes.

                                  However, it would be interesting to do a taste test between Domino's and stuff from a vending machine. That could be a pretty close call. And they might actually be useful in places where all that's available is chain pizza anyway - and that's a lot of the country.

                                  The same people decrying these machines will probably happily line up for the new SBUX coffee vending units. Nothing fresh there either.

                                  Btw, it's palate, not palette. Unless you're actually painting your tongue.

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                                  1. re: Panini Guy
                                    TonyO Mar 6, 2007 04:55 AM

                                    Let me enlighten my fellow CH'ers about the quality of vending coffee. The vast majority of vending machines are single cup that are brewed at the time of purchase. In fact, many machines actually grind the beans at the time of purchase. Many companies use high quality 100% Arabica beans resulting in a very good cup of coffee. Granted, there isn't some lip ring wearing teenager serving it for $4.50 / cup, but it is probably much better than most people think.

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                                    Panini Guy Mar 6, 2007 05:45 AM

                                    First off, there is no coffee being sold for $4.50/cup except for a handful of auction-winning cups served at perhaps a couple dozen shops nationwide. And you would drink those black.

                                    If you're referring to some "Venti" flavored coffee milkshake - which it appears you are - you're not talking about a cup of coffee. That's a whole other type of drink. But not "coffee".

                                    I had thought this board was supposed to be about unique and flavorful food experiences? Vending machines are for convenience, not quality, not flavor.

                                    Is there a place for vending machines? Certainly there is. But to throw a canard like "not everyone can lunch at Babbo's everyday" into the mix as a comparison is silly. No need to compare vending machines to a four-star experience when they can't meet a one-star experience. Defending the quality of vending machine foods is like suggesting a Big Mac is as good as an Outback burger or Domino's is the equal of a Wooster St. pie.

                                    And it would be difficult to expect a vending machine to deliver a pizza of even Domino's low quality. Maybe something in the way of a Red Baron microwave thing.

                                    But since it's your threadjack, let's continue the coffee conversation. 100% Arabica is all but meaningless in the US in 2007. If you're not drinking coffee out of a can, then 100% Arabica is standard in the US for drip. It's a commodity. That said, there are decent robustas (although not in US can coffee) that are used in some European espresso blends.

                                    Roasters can buy 100% Arabica on the commodities exchange for as little as $0.50/pound most years. SBUX averages about $1.20/pound according to their financial statements. Fair Trade costs $1.26/pound. Organic Fair Trade $1.41/pound. And it goes up from there with top roasters averaging over $2.00 and much more for auction-quality beans.

                                    Let's guess what quality of 100% Arabica coffees are going into vending machines.

                                    A good coffeehouse doesn't serve beans roasted more than 7-10 days. Beans are often that far off roast before they even find their way into a vending machine. And the best coffeehouses won't serve coffees with flavors baked into them, like Snickerdoodle or Vanilla Hazelnut or whatever is on your machine's press buttons. You don't flavor good beans with additives. Truly good beans have plenty of flavors within, from berries to cherries to chocolate and caramel and lemon and more.

                                    The lip ring wearing teenager (and isn't that a ridiculous generalization) has a JOB. If they have talent as a barista, they are adding value to the process. While it's true that bad barista can ruin a roaster's best product, a good one is something to applaud. At better shops they understand more about about coffee than you do. And hey, they even get tips for good service.

                                    Let it go. People spend billions at McDonald's and Long John Silvers and Pizza Hut too. It doesn't mean they serve good food. It is simply a convenience for families and travelers and (supposedly) people on budgets. If appealing to the largest segment of the public meant all, People Magazine would have a shelf full of Pulitzers, American Pie would have eight Oscars and nobody would publish a book that Oprah hadn't approved.

                                    1. TonyO Mar 6, 2007 05:54 AM

                                      Let it go ? Not as long as fine folks like yourself like to spew rhetoric and nonsense. I will continue to defend my industry and the ethics that we operate under. And for what it is worth, I have spent $4.50 for a cup of coffee as I'm sure many others have. To me, in the right setting, properly prepared and served, it is worth it.

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                                        Panini Guy Mar 6, 2007 06:34 AM

                                        Show me one thing I said that is either rhetorical or nonsenical and I'll back off. Meantime, your defense of the quality of vending machine cuisine has the effect of an ebb tide that lowers all boats on this forum.

                                        I never questioned ethics, so why bring that up? If you're interested in promoting your industry, might I suggest underpromising and overdelivering works better than mentioning your pizza in the same breath as Babbo's.

                                        Yes, you can pay $4.50 at a restuarant for a cup of unadulterated coffee at a decent restaurant. And sometimes it's fresh. But that's not being served to you by a pierced teenager as in your first analogy.

                                        The pierced barista at your local coffeehouse might have served you a Hacienda Esmeralda or a Santa Ines Brazil single origin. But those were about the only two coffees sold in North America last year that would merit $4.50 or more for a cup.

                                        If you want to continue to talk coffee, I'm happy to move the discussion to another thread.

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                                        HillJ Mar 6, 2007 06:13 AM

                                        Tony O, do you have any experience as to how this particular vending machine will work? Unlike a package of 1.00 cookies or pretzels, pizzas are a unique vending machine item. Do you know what product will be used, how the machine will be serviced and where the market is? I'd be interested in your take on this specific vending machine, given your background (as you indicated).

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                                          TonyO Mar 6, 2007 06:27 AM

                                          Hey HiilJ,

                                          I have not heard much about this particular machine at this point. My guess is that the primary placements will be college campuses, very large manufacturing facilities (1,000 plus employees) and public placements such as large airports. I have seen machines in the past that "cook to order" items such as french fries and pizzas. The quality is ok considering the time, price, and convenience. Unfortunately, it is the cooking process that dimishes the end product. It is very hard to find a decent food product that can go from refrigerated/frozen to microwave/convection to plate and have the same texture as one that is fried or cooked in a conventional oven. However, there have been great advancements in packaging and ingredients to make vending options both better tasting, in in some cases healthier.

                                          I hope that helps.

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                                            HillJ Mar 6, 2007 06:41 AM

                                            TonyO, it does. I had the pleasure of attending an industry convention where vending machine prototypes were demonstrated. At that time, vending pizza was one of the big goals but I had forgotten about it until this thread. I believe pizza bagels were one of the test considerations. I did find the technology behind it very interesting (even if I'm having a harder time with the consumption.) Thanks for your insight.

                                        2. ajs228 Mar 7, 2007 09:10 AM

                                          I gotta tell you, if it's 3:00 a.m. and I'm just leaving a bar with one of these outside, I'll probably wait 4 minutes--enough time for two pizzas.

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