376121 Wed Feb 28 21:04:54 -0800 2007 22 41 Cookware 0 2340206 do you own these imports?? pros and cons?? Wed Feb 28 21:04:55 -0800 2007 15732 MarkG 1 2340579 I've owned a Miele for the last three years. Very quiet, does an excellent job of cleaning, has a well-designed system of adjustable trays/racks. The cycle time is rather long, which is not a problem for us. I've had no maintenance problems whatsoever; after I removed the plug the installer left in the drain line, that is. Thu Mar 01 05:03:54 -0800 2007 2340206 10207 FlyFish 1 2341335 We have had a Bosch for 5 years and have had absolutely no problems. Very quiet and very reliable. What I can tell you , with information from a friend of mine who is in the appliance cervice business, is that if repairs are needed the parts are expensive and because of the way they are constructed some components are difficult to get at and service or replace and that means more time and money. Thu Mar 01 09:11:20 -0800 2007 2340206 78851 tony w 2 2461593 what detergant and rinse aide do you use? i just purchased a Bosch dishwasher. Thanks Sun Apr 08 14:40:25 -0700 2007 2341335 83402 rose11597 1 2341364 I like my Bosch! 6 years old, no issues Thu Mar 01 09:17:51 -0800 2007 2340206 78519 sianyoga 1 2345261 The Bosch Model SHU66C0 is rated #1 on Consumer Reports new list for dishwashers. Quoted at $880. This model is also listed t #4 on CR's "Greener Choices" for energy efficiency. Also, J.D. Power and Associates ranked Bosch "Highest in Customer Satisfaction with Dishwashers." The Miele has an ok rating as well but it's number 11 on the list. It's quoted at $1550. IMO, there is absolutely 100% no question. I'd buy the Bosch... :-) Fri Mar 02 09:21:21 -0800 2007 2340206 42270 HaagenDazs 1 2345499 Remodeled 8 years ago and put in an Asko dishwasher. It has been outstanding, never been touched by a repairman. It's super quiet and delivers sparkling dishes and glassware. All the controls are on the inside lip (top) of the door, nothing external. Stainless inside and out. If we every remodel again (at another house as we are thinking of moving for retirement) I'd buy another Asko in a minute. Fri Mar 02 10:13:46 -0800 2007 2340206 10925 rtmonty 1 2345524 Throw a vote in for the Miele. I have the flush-mounted with the panel on the front so it is hidden. It is so quiet that i sometime put my ear next to it to see if it is on. Dishes come out fantastically clean. It has several cycles to choose from, heats the water to very hot and has worked like a charm for 5 years. The silverware holder is not the vertical kind found on many but has a separate rack way up on top where the utensils lay flat. No clanging of forks during the cycle and the rack comes out, carry to the silverware drawer and easy out. The only downside if you consider it a downside is that it really wants to preform and the total cycle time is very long, the upside to this point is that the dishes are clean, clean, clean. Fri Mar 02 10:19:35 -0800 2007 2340206 11290 jfood 2 2461649 Yes the regular cycle times (even the "economy" one) are a bit long but I often use the "short" cycle which is for parties and dishes that need just a minimal go-over. The main reason I got the Miele over the Bosch was that the Bosch was just a 1/4" or so too tall to fit where my old dishwasher went. I discovered this the hard way. After going through the exchange hassle the Miele fit perfectly and I'm very happy with it, despite the higher price. Sun Apr 08 15:12:25 -0700 2007 2345524 37800 tarabell 1 2346229 Does anyone care about saving $670 and a #1 rating in Consumer Reports? Just wondering... If money is no object, I can give you my address an I'll gladly accept a check for $670. Fri Mar 02 12:42:04 -0800 2007 2340206 42270 HaagenDazs 2 2346274 How long have you owned your Bosch and how do you like it? Fri Mar 02 12:51:12 -0800 2007 2346229 10207 FlyFish 3 2346744 Actually I do not own a Bosch. I live as a renter currently looking for my first house! :-) I'm relaying info from Consumer Reports. I can guarantee that if I see a product at the #1 spot and another product in the #11 spot, and that #11 product costs $670 more, I would not hesitate to buy the better rated product at a lower price. In fact, the points made about noise is what Bosch really excelled in compared to the Miele. Fri Mar 02 14:28:09 -0800 2007 2346274 42270 HaagenDazs 2 2346629 you need to make sure you compare apples and apples. Number of cycles on a Bosch from 4 to 6 will double the price. Fri Mar 02 14:02:45 -0800 2007 2346229 11290 jfood 3 2346711 Good point - but we're still running with the Consumer Reports rating of #1. What's an extra 2 cycles if it doesn't need it? Fri Mar 02 14:19:43 -0800 2007 2346629 42270 HaagenDazs 4 2347251 I have no experience with Bosch, but from everything I've heard I have no doubt they make a wonderful product, perhaps even the best product. Consumer Reports, on the other hand, I wouldn't believe if they told me the sun was going to rise in the morning. Fri Mar 02 16:48:22 -0800 2007 2346711 10207 FlyFish 5 2352373 Eh, Consumer Reports isn't perfect, but dishwashers I think they can test pretty well still. That said, once everything cleans okay, it comes down to feature sets which can be fairly subjective. CR can try to take things that are subjective and make them objective, but they won't work for everyone. Personally, I wouldn't spend $880 for the top-rated Bosch when the $580 low-end Bosch cleans just as well and is just as or very close to as quiet, within a dB or two. It isn't stainless front and doesn't have hidden controls, and those are a big portion of the price differences at these levels. I don't care about those differences, so I save another $300 (and that was just as a starting point, it went down from there). But, if the budget is for my personal absolute favorite features in a dishwasher, and I can spend $1000+, I would not restrict myself to just the Bosch because others were ranked lower in the list by CR. By most accounts I've heard, Askos and Mieles also work well. Are they worth the extra? I'd say there's no objective answer to that; instead it depends upon the individual tastes and situations. There are exceptions to everything as well. Someone replaced their Miele with a Bosch. Some people haven't liked their Boschs. Hell, CR says (and I know I read it several times when I was shopping, plus other sources) that a certain $300 Amana cleans as well as all of these, but it's loud and has nothing in the way of added convenience features. I considered but ultimately decided not to go that cheap, even though in this house the cheapo really wouldn't be out of place at all. I had to go at least a bit quieter, had a fiasco with Sears trying to get a Kenmore, and ended up with the Bosch from Lowe's. Sun Mar 04 20:52:49 -0800 2007 2347251 40162 CrazyOne 1 2347282 I have ownwd a Bosch for one yr. Personally, it is very quiet and gets the dishes very clean. I think the drying cycle could be better. I had 3 GE's prior to this, they weren't as quiet, but the job was the same, the drying was better. Fri Mar 02 16:58:53 -0800 2007 2340206 78502 diane419 1 2352391 I've had an Asko, cheaper of the line with the controls on the outside, it was around $600, 5 years ago. Works great, no problems. Sun Mar 04 21:01:49 -0800 2007 2340206 15457 peppatty 1 2358385 I have had Bosch dishwashers for 15 years. One each in 2 different houses. TOP NOTCH. Quiet, efficient, good on electricity. Never had to call a repairman. Tue Mar 06 11:34:55 -0800 2007 2340206 43893 C. Hamster 2 2461603 anyone tell me what dish detrgant and rinse aid to use with the Bosch? just got it Thanks Sun Apr 08 14:43:05 -0700 2007 2358385 83402 rose11597 1 2362026 Had a Bosch, now have a Miele (different houses). Both are great, Miele is much quieter. Wed Mar 07 10:43:44 -0800 2007 2340206 67619 ascherer 1 2462026 I've had the top of the line Bosch DW for three and a half years. Pros -- no heater coil, uses very hot water, and is very, very quiet. It cleans almost everything well, every time, and we fill it up as much as we can. Cons -- ours has really been prone to maintenance problems. Have replaced four "boards" that just die and cause the controls to stop, and one circulation pump. According to the independent repair company who fixes these things under our extended warranty, this would have cost us hundreds of dollars each time. Worse -- these issues have been common with these dishwashers, according to them. It makes me think another brand would be a better choice. The last major repair involved deinstalling the DW and having it worked on back at the service depot, and I was without my DW for two weeks during a pretty inconvenient time (houseguests). I would probably try another brand next time as long as it is as quiet as the Bosch. Lack of noise was our primary goal when we purchased it, and it remains what we think is most important. Does the Miele run quietly too?. Sun Apr 08 18:39:49 -0700 2007 2340206 87837 RGC1982 2 2462101 I just got a Miele dishwasher, so I can't compare it to any other, but it is very quiet. Good thing, too, because we don't have a cabinet around it - it's open on two sides because it's next to a radiator and in front of an odd-shaped window. (There's a countertop above it that "encloses" it, but sound travels through the radiator opening and window/wall.) I can hear it running, but just barely. If it was completely enclosed, I probably wouldn't hear it at all. The noisiest bit is when the water drains into the sink drain (we have ancient plumbing). And I love love love my Miele dishwasher. I don't regret one penny of the very high price. Anne Sun Apr 08 19:22:34 -0700 2007 2462026 12541 AnneInMpls