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Places I must eat in Brooklyn

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narulamd Feb 27, 2007 10:27 AM

Unfortunately I don't to Brooklyn all that often, ashamed as I am to admit it. What places/dishes are a must-eat? If I wanted to do a full day of snacking, any suggested itineraries?

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  1. ballulah RE: narulamd Feb 27, 2007 10:32 AM

    This needs to be on the Outer Boroughs board, my friend.

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      narulamd RE: narulamd Feb 27, 2007 10:42 AM

      aha-thanks for letting me know...

      1. deepyarn RE: narulamd Feb 27, 2007 11:24 AM

        al di la, Queen, The Good Fork, Red Hook Ball fields (when it is warmer)

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          lichow RE: deepyarn Sep 24, 2007 02:15 PM

          If you had to choose between Good Fork and Grocery for a great boyfriends birthday dinner, which would you choose??

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            brooklynr RE: lichow Sep 24, 2007 02:27 PM

            How many in the party? If four or fewer, Grocery; if five or greater, Good Fork. The Grocery's room is too small for bigger parties, and the Good Fork has a back porch (and patio area) that is great for medium-size groups (speaking from specific birthday experience for both places, in fact).

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              lichow RE: brooklynr Sep 26, 2007 07:58 AM

              Thanks...its just me and DBF. I have been wanting to try Grocery for so long, I think that is what it will be. Any recommendations?

              I do want to get to Good Fork as well, soon.

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              Nehna RE: lichow Sep 26, 2007 09:09 AM

              I've never been to Good Fork but there are much better options around then Grocery. Very overrated. I'd go to Saul, Convivium, or Applewood instead.

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                lichow RE: Nehna Sep 26, 2007 10:19 AM

                really....I considered Saul, seemed like reviews were more favorable at Grocery. Not that I ever saw anything bad about Saul. Been To Convivium, it was great. Applewood is nice, I just wanted something really special for special guy. I thought Grocery would be just that.

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                  brooklynr RE: lichow Sep 26, 2007 10:51 AM

                  I recommend the scallops, the duck breast and the guinea hen.

                  The Grocery does seem to generate some antipathy on Chowhound, and I'm not exactly sure why. It's true that since they opened the food's gotten slightly smaller and the prices have gotten not so slightly higher, but the quality hasn't changed. For what it's worth, I find Saul to be a bit better and, well, more "professional" on all fronts, but to me it's not as intimate, and lacks the neighborhoody je ne sais quoi that distinguishes Applewood, Convivium, al di là and other top-tier Brooklyn restaurants. All of the choices are appropriate for a special birthday meal, but if you're choosing between the Grocery and the Good Fork for two diners, I would pick the Grocery.

                  (Disclosure: my birthday dinner this year was for 11 people at the Good Fork -- everyone had a great time and loved the food; dinner last year was for 2 at the Grocery -- ditto).

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                    Nehna RE: lichow Sep 26, 2007 11:13 AM

                    Grocery is very very cramped so not what I consider ideal for a special occasion. They put far too many tables in a small room.

                    I've been maybe 4 times and was never blown away by any of it. Saul I've been to probably 6 times and have rarely been disappointed.

                    I would consider any of the three I mentioned more suitable than Grocery but that's just me :) I'm sure there are those who will disagree.

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                      Bob Martinez RE: Nehna Sep 27, 2007 08:09 AM

                      I only visited Grocery once. I was looking forward to it based on lots of positive comments on the board. I was also aware of it's high Zagat rating and while this wasn't a deciding factor for me I took it as another sign that I was in for a good experience.

                      Getting a decent timeslot was difficult and we wound up with a 6:00PM reservation. When we arrived there were only 2 tables occupied yet they immediately tried to seat us at an awful table. I was polite but told them we wanted something better - they complied. Not a great start; you shouldn't have to push them to get a decent table in an empty restaurant.

                      The meal itself was fine. Nothing memorable but certainly above average. Having said that I thought the prices were about 15-20% higher than they should have been vs. the quality of the food.

                      The service was correct but cold. Perhaps I was overly sensitive after the game they played with the table but I got the feeling that the servers felt that they were doing us a favor taking our order and bringing our food and wine. I've since heard the same thing from enough people for me to believe it wasn't just my imagination. My assumption is that after years of great Zagat ratings they've taken on a bit of an attitude - they think that they're untouchable.

                      My experiences at Saul have been the opposite. I've been there 6 or 7 times and on each visit I've been made to feel very welcome. They're *glad* for your business and don't take it for granted. I think the food, while priced comparably with Grocery, is better. Not 100% better but enough to be clearly noticeable. I don't mind the prices because they come through on their side of the bargain.

                      Evidently Michelin agrees. Saul has a star and Grocery doesn't. Since the food at Grocery is pretty good I can only think that the difference is that the staff at Grocery treated the Michelin reviewers with the same mild condescension as me. Their attitude had consequences. :-)

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                        Nehna RE: Bob Martinez Sep 27, 2007 09:16 AM

                        Well put Bob. I concur that the food was always acceptable when I went, just nothing ever blew me away or justified the difficulty to get a reservation as opposed to Saul, where I've typically had no trouble getting one (odd...but I guess Saul is a signficantly larger space). I've even done the tasting menu at Grocery and it still just came off as a place trying to be very manhattan but not really hitting the mark. Saul tries to be Manhattan and I think would do fine if it were there, though maybe wouldn't get as much attention.

                        I also remember once arriving for a Grocery table and being asked to wait a while in the patio where we could have a drink. The patio was barren at the time and empty. There was no one to help us at the small bar and we felt very uncomfortable milling around out there waiting for a sign of life. In the end, I recall, they came to get us for our table and not a word was said about the puzzling patio and lack of service out there.

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                      endiveboy RE: lichow Sep 27, 2007 07:09 AM

                      Aigh. I'll put in a bad word about Saul. Have only been there once, but was terribly unimpressed. Uber-pricey for Bk, and the food was lukewarm and salty as all get-out. Afraid Smith Street remains rather a culinary wasteland. There are copious better options over in Park Slope, and Ft. Greene has some solid options, as well: Stone Home Wine Bar, Olea, Lou Lou all charming and comfortable, if not as fancy-do as Grocery, etc.

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                        Nehna RE: endiveboy Sep 27, 2007 07:31 AM

                        Right, I have to call foul on the (all too popular fad these days) calling Smith St a culinary wasteland. Please. What Smith St. is, and I'll grant you, is very inconsistent, which is also not acceptable but certainly not the same thing. And Park Slope, in my experience, is also very inconsistent.

                        On Smith Street, I have had excellent meals on repeat occasions at Saul, Lunetta, Chestnut, Po, Chance, Robin des Bois, Ki Sushi, Carniceria, and Patois. I've had reasonably good meals at Grocery too, I just don't think it deserves the hype it gets. Now I'm sure I've also had at least one less than stellar meal at each of these places too, and they're all of completely different callibre (i.e. Chance vs Saul) but they're all quite good at what they do. So please don't make such brash generalizations about a lot of very different restaurants.

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                          oolah RE: Nehna Sep 27, 2007 10:37 AM

                          Totally agree.

                          While Smith St definitely has it's mediocre places and off-nights, it's a perfectly respectable restaurant row with a solid list of places I return to, and some that I very much like (similar to Nehna's list above).

                          I've encountered much more unevenness in Ft Greene restaurants, particularly at those you mention, where I've had some pretty blah or bad dishes.

                          Now DUMBO, THAT's a culinary wasteland. :P

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                  ardnaxela RE: deepyarn Sep 25, 2007 12:42 PM

                  Just want to sound a dissenting note on Queen. After hearing so many on this list tout Queen, we went in August with an out of town guest and were sorely disappointed. It was expensive, the food was nothing special (tomatoes were out of season) and it had little character besides the cheery Italian proprietor tending bar. It's a lot of money for food you could get for less at Fragole, Casa Rosa or Lunetta.

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                    Steve R RE: ardnaxela Sep 26, 2007 11:58 AM

                    Sorry about your August experience but I think you're absolutely wrong. You can have a bad meal at Luger's but dont say that the steak they serve can be had in most other steak places; you can have a bad slice at DiFara's but you cant just generalize and say that the quality of other local pizza places is equal to Dom's. The quality of Queen's kitchen (depth, talent and ingredients) is way above the others. I'm not knocking the 3 you list, especially since I go to 2 of them (I'd love to hear more about CRosa on the board as I'm not familiar with it) but I can assuredly state that you're comparing apples and oranges if you think they're at Queen's general level. Again, that's not to say that bad meals, not worth the $$, cant be had at Queen... and I'm sure (& sorry) that you had one. I've had some as well. But, order mozz. at all 4 places and only one will put down a plate of a fresh homemade quality product. And only one will have created a mozz. dish with a similarly homemade fresh anchovy sauce instead of only serving varieties of sliced mozz, tomato and basil (which they usually do as well).

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                      ceasar11 RE: Steve R Sep 26, 2007 01:12 PM

                      umm, i think that Bruni said exactly that about Lugers two weeks ago.

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                        Steve R RE: ceasar11 Sep 26, 2007 01:52 PM

                        Even a blind squirrel finds nuts once in awhile.

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                      bluishgnome RE: ardnaxela Sep 26, 2007 02:45 PM

                      I agree with you ardnaxela. I've been to Queen a few times and what I paid for was nothing special. To call it a "Must Eat" in Brooklyn is a bit of an overstatement.

                      I would HIGHLY HIGHLY recommend Jack the Horse at the corner of Cranberry and Hicks. Great professional (yet casual) service, awesome bartender (one of the most talented and knowledgable bartenders I've ever met - try his specialty "Man of Leisure"), delicious food (short ribs I had were unforgettable), and the ambiance it so different from anything else in Brooklyn (busy but not noisy.)

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                        Steve R RE: bluishgnome Sep 27, 2007 05:28 AM

                        I guess that this is how we learn about each other's tastes. We not only disagree on Queen but I've been to Jack the Horse several times wanting to love it (nice room, nice owners) but have found the food very mediocre. Nothing bad, just not anything I'm impressed with. Oh well.

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                      fayehess RE: deepyarn Sep 27, 2007 06:20 AM

                      I went to Grocery with great expectations. I felt the service was cold, the food was so-so, in the sense that there wasn't a lot of clarity of flavor, and a lobster tart, I felt had been reheated from the day before. No big deal if it worked, but it didn't work. faye

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                      sam1 RE: narulamd Feb 27, 2007 12:05 PM

                      there was a good link on this topic a few weeks back listing top meals at top brooklyn restaurants. i couldnt find it via search though.

                      my picks:
                      -malfati for primi, roasted meat skewers for entree, pear/chocolate cake for dessert at al di la
                      -shitaki mushroom with leek flan and braised pork belly entree at 360
                      -porterhouse for 2 at peter luger's...obviously
                      -square pie with sausage, mushrooms, onion, anchovy at difara
                      -veal sweetbreads and any pork entree at applewood

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                        oolah RE: sam1 Feb 27, 2007 01:47 PM

                        Here's the thread sam1 is referring to:

                        http://www.chowhound.com/topics/365134

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                          pitu RE: sam1 Mar 1, 2007 01:51 PM

                          roasted meat skewers? @ al di la? I'm mystified!
                          and I'd keep the malfatti, add grilled chard stems (don't ask why, just order), and affogato for light dessert

                          There was a really good Carroll Gardens thread going a few months back http://www.chowhound.com/topics/341239
                          and this thread on weekend treks http://www.chowhound.com/topics/249150

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                            HankyT RE: pitu Mar 1, 2007 03:02 PM

                            i forgot to put al di la on my list. you remind me, as you choose specific menu items, that anyone coming here should eat some fried cauliflower. I prefer Fountain tho i'm sure there are other spots.
                            It's just one of those dishes that's often overlooked, but utterly revelatory...

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                          sharonm RE: narulamd Feb 27, 2007 01:58 PM

                          Lots of great places to eat! Here's a few dont miss spots:
                          al di la
                          Rosewater
                          Palo santo
                          Convivium
                          Applewood
                          Aliseo
                          Sheep Station
                          Happy Eats!

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                            YoungHood RE: narulamd Feb 27, 2007 02:07 PM

                            Grocery, Difara,

                            1. Peter RE: narulamd Feb 27, 2007 02:11 PM

                              Places that are a Must? Mostly common names to those that frequent these boards:

                              Applewood
                              Queen
                              Di Fara
                              Red Hook ballfields (warmer weather only)
                              Locanda Vini & Olii
                              Peter Luger
                              Ferndinando's Focacceria
                              360 Van Brunt (for the randomness factor)

                              Assuming that you don't get to Queens either I'd add in:

                              Spicy & Tasty
                              Sripraphai

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                                redherring RE: Peter Sep 25, 2007 02:00 PM

                                unfortunately, 360 is closed

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                                  achris786 RE: redherring Sep 30, 2007 05:52 PM

                                  does anyone have any information about why and when 360 closed? My husband and I ate there about a year ago and loved it.

                              2. bigmackdaddy RE: narulamd Feb 27, 2007 03:00 PM

                                327 Van Brunt. Wonderful spicy beef ribs and roast pork.

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                                  neversent RE: narulamd Mar 1, 2007 01:01 PM

                                  Most of these are in Park Slope, which is where I live:
                                  *swiss chard ravioli at al di la, 5th ave, park slope
                                  *mushroom spaetzele or duck choucoutre at Flatbush Farm
                                  *Palo Santo (menu varies--some things better than others, but most of it is delicious, I love the space, and the owner is nice)
                                  *pancetta-wrapped chicken livers in onions and duck-filled pasta at Convivium Osteria
                                  *Cafe Mexicano on Union St.
                                  *and I really like Bogota Latin Bistro, also on 5th Ave.--again, some things are better than others (so far the chuletas--pork chops--special I had once is my favorite), but I like the fun atmosphere, especially the garden in warmer months, and the drinks are delicious
                                  *favorite brunch--Miriam's--get the shakshuka (Mediterranean style eggs) and the puffy friend dough--I'm forgetting the name (bureka, maybe?)

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                                    HankyT RE: narulamd Mar 1, 2007 01:41 PM

                                    My Favorite Brooklyn Restaurants (by no means a complete list and not in order)
                                    Taci's Beyti on Coney Island Ave
                                    Joe's of Avenue U
                                    Schnack
                                    Steinhof
                                    The Fountain
                                    Ferdinando's
                                    Good Fork
                                    Grocery
                                    Brennan & Carr
                                    DiFara
                                    Nha Trang
                                    Esposito's Pork Store (not a restaurant, I know)
                                    Joe's Perrette (for riceballs)
                                    Taro Sushi
                                    Christie's Jamaican Beef Patties
                                    and many others...

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                                      bobjbkln RE: HankyT Mar 1, 2007 06:50 PM

                                      If you think the rice balls at Joe's Perrette are good, you should try their proscuitto balls, they are addictive. To add to your list in the same spirit:
                                      Pho Tay Ho
                                      Al di la
                                      Waterfalls
                                      Frost
                                      Lioni's (for take out heros)
                                      Ba Xuyen (Bahn Mi Sandwiches)
                                      etc.

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                                        hamstrman RE: bobjbkln Mar 19, 2007 03:41 PM

                                        Where is Joe's Perrette? I googled it and no links come up but this one. What is the address?

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                                          oolah RE: hamstrman Mar 19, 2007 04:00 PM

                                          Ha! That's because it's Joe's SUperette, but the S and the U fell off the sign years ago, so people just call it "perette" :P

                                          It's a tiny deli/bodega type place (easy to miss!) on Smith between first and carroll.

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                                      Geo8rge RE: narulamd Mar 6, 2007 12:29 PM

                                      Sugar Cane on Flatbush, google it. Diner only last I checked, can be combined with Museum and Botanical garden.

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                                        evoo RE: narulamd Mar 8, 2007 04:21 PM

                                        I must say, a little suprised to see two of my favorites left off of this list:

                                        Tempo and Franny's. They're very different from each other - but the food, service and wine selectoin at each restaurant is better than many places in Manhattan. Check these out - at Franny's try the anchovie or clam pizzas (I swear their dough is heavenly!) and at Tempo - the Bucatini pistachio pesto and their steak for two - man I can still taste that dry rub!

                                        Happy eating!

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                                          TBird RE: evoo Sep 24, 2007 02:26 PM

                                          franny's should not be left off of this list. haven't done tempo yet but i see it comes highly recommended...

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                                            bluishgnome RE: TBird Sep 26, 2007 02:47 PM

                                            Tempo is definitely a must try. Chef Fiore is extremely talented and quite underappreciated, in my opinion. The mussels with chorizo is my favorite appetizer. I can mop the jus through the bowl with enough bread!

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                                              Steve R RE: bluishgnome Sep 27, 2007 05:30 AM

                                              Well, I just wrote my response to your opinions of both Queen and Jack the Horse, saying (scroll above) that I guess we have different tastes. Then I scroll down and read this and 1000% agree. Tempo is one of the best in Bklyn and Michael is getting even better as he goes. The buccatini w/speck app. is also great. We're there a lot and it never disappoints. Great food, great wine list, great management, great room(s), verrry reasonable pricing.

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                                          squash RE: narulamd Mar 19, 2007 03:51 PM

                                          Just go to Smith Street in Cobble Hill and you can get everything you want. If you like French try Café Le Luc. Also the Zombie Hut is great for drinks either before or after.

                                          1. phunkykim RE: narulamd Sep 25, 2007 08:52 AM

                                            Chimu - 482 Union Ave., Brooklyn, NY
                                            they have delcious - Arroz Chaufa de Carne o Pollo (beef fried rice)

                                            1. monalisawoman RE: narulamd Sep 26, 2007 08:03 AM

                                              I second Franny's clam pizza.

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                                                TBird RE: monalisawoman Sep 26, 2007 09:03 AM

                                                i was disappointed by the clam pie, but the house sausage on a pie was more than worthy!

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                                                scully817 RE: narulamd Sep 26, 2007 11:38 AM

                                                Little D (stands for dishes) on 7th Ave between 14th and 15th in Park Slope is good and the Blue Ribbon in Brooklyn I think is better than the one in Manhattan

                                                1. JungMann RE: narulamd Sep 27, 2007 06:39 AM

                                                  With so few truly outstanding Middle Eastern restaurants in the city (especially in Manhattan), you must try Tanoreen. The price is right and the food is certainly worthwhile.

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                                                    dark knight RE: JungMann Sep 30, 2007 04:50 PM

                                                    Just adding some Williamsburg choices that haven't been mentioned that are worth a trip off the island:

                                                    Dumont Burger
                                                    Fette Sau

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