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Tboy Feb 22, 2007 07:17 AM

Hi!

Does anybody have any favourite white whine they just like to drink on its one (ie, without food)? - something you like to just drink at the end of a long day and is refreshing enough on its own to just 'drink'?!

I'll start off - I currently like a good Viognier on its own - my current favourite being a Renwood 2004 Select Series Viognier. I could sip away at that bottle all night just for the great taste of it! :)

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  1. Robert Lauriston RE: Tboy Feb 22, 2007 07:33 AM

    For an aperitif, I like a high-acid sauvignon blanc, e.g. Marlborough or Sancerre.

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      tanveer42 RE: Robert Lauriston Jul 29, 2010 02:02 PM

      'Such a useful thread I’ve been looking this topic everywhere!'

      [url=http://www.winedrop.co.uk/search.asp?...] Sauvignon Blanc[/url]

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      Tboy RE: Tboy Feb 22, 2007 07:37 AM

      Any particular Sauv Blanc Robert? Any favourite?

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        Robert Lauriston RE: Tboy Feb 22, 2007 07:52 AM

        With one exception (a $6 bottle at Trader Joe's), I've liked every Marlborough s.b. I've tried, so usually I just go for what's cheapest. My favorite is the Giesen but it's hard to find.

        Currently I'm working through a case of 2004 Haute Victoire Quincy, cost around $10 a bottle.

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          rabaja RE: Robert Lauriston Mar 4, 2007 07:21 PM

          In SF, you can get the Giesen at the Jug Shop on Polk and also at Cost Plus in Fisherman's Wharf, both places carry it for $9.99. Can't think where in the East Bay, but these two places have been reliable.

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            zin1953 RE: Robert Lauriston Mar 4, 2007 10:35 PM

            Saw it this evening at Andronico's on Shattuck.

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              Robert Lauriston RE: Robert Lauriston Aug 9, 2007 02:27 PM

              I saw the 05 Giesen Adams Block at the Richmond, CA, Costco today for $13.79.

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            tomi RE: Tboy Feb 22, 2007 07:38 AM

            i like something that have a bit of sweetness in it. i like the Linginfielder, bird label Riesling Germany, got a hint of citrus, floral, easy to drink. Main Divine Savignon Blanc new zealand, lot of grapefruit, good with food and also good with itself.

            hope that help
            tomi

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              drobbia RE: Tboy Feb 22, 2007 08:18 AM

              Try the Qupe Bien Nacido Hillside Estate(04) Roussane for a exceptoinally smooth stand alone white, a little high in alc.(14.5) but the result is a multi layered delight.

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                Tboy RE: Tboy Feb 22, 2007 08:26 AM

                Interesting. I think I've only ever had Roussane in a blend...what's it like alone????

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                  drobbia RE: Tboy Feb 22, 2007 08:08 PM

                  multi layered,leechee nut,almonds,long finish == be sure to drink it at cellar temp .

                2. Chinon00 RE: Tboy Feb 22, 2007 08:38 AM

                  To me "refreshing" implies simpler wines and often with noticeable acid. And for me a wine that is to be enjoyed on it's own tends to be bigger and softer. So that would mean (again for me) southern rhone whites, big California Chardonnay, southern Italian whites, etc. Basically, anything low acid and fleshy.

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                    Bill Hunt RE: Chinon00 Feb 22, 2007 05:59 PM

                    I tend to agree. The Cal-Chards, especially, are not *usually* all that food-friendly, unless one is having a creme sauce. For stand-alone wines, I'll usually grab something from your list, or similar. Now, as an aperitif, I'll grab for a mouth-watering SB, especially if it is likely to preceed a first course, that will accompany a second glass.

                    However, as I type, I'm working on a glass of that "house wine" of mine, Conundrum, which does go very well with many foods, especially if there's a touch of "heat."

                    Hunt

                  2. AreBe RE: Tboy Feb 22, 2007 09:10 AM

                    Pinot Gris - I'm still exploring to learn the names of producers I like.

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                      kenito799 RE: Tboy Feb 22, 2007 12:08 PM

                      Inexpensive Alsatian blends like Hugel Gentil or Pierre Sparr One are aromatic and nice to sip.

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                        MMRuth RE: kenito799 Feb 23, 2007 11:42 AM

                        I agree - as are their Pinot Blancs.

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                        Campania RE: Tboy Feb 22, 2007 02:36 PM

                        Fiano di Avellino. It is hard to get a hold of. Get Macchialupa if you can find it.
                        It's medium gold appearance is telling of the toasted hazelnuts, almonds, and honey that highlight its fabulous taste. Native flowers, pears, apricots, and citrus fruits may be detected along with acacia (native tropical trees), hawthorn (native thorny trees or shrubs), mint, and fennel.

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                          Chicago Mike RE: Tboy Feb 23, 2007 01:24 AM

                          White wine on their own ??? Excluding dessert wines I'd say the following.... These would be some favorites, in more or less the order that they came to my mind....

                          1) A great Loire Chenin Blanc... I love this wine on it's own... probably my single-favorite "white wine on it's own"....

                          2nd would probably be....

                          2) A great Alsace Gewurztraminer... pure nectar in a great vintage...

                          3) A truly great Chardonnay... from anywhere.... Australia, France, US, don't care... there are so many good or very good Chardonnays out there... and so few GREAT ones.... just thinking about it makes me want to find one....

                          4) A great riesling.... or a very good one.... there's just nothing not to like....

                          There's others.... but ANY of the above works for me on it's own in a major way....

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                            Chinon00 RE: Chicago Mike Feb 23, 2007 04:11 AM

                            Addressing your number 3) it appears as though you consider Chardonnay to be somewhat derivative. True?

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                              Robert Lauriston RE: Chinon00 Feb 23, 2007 07:43 AM

                              What do you mean by "derivative"? Makes no sense to me in this context.

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                                Chinon00 RE: Robert Lauriston Feb 23, 2007 09:32 AM

                                Assuming that Chadonnay is one general thing being closely copied from an "original".

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                                  Robert Lauriston RE: Chinon00 Feb 23, 2007 10:17 AM

                                  I don't understand what you mean by that in regard to a varietal.

                                  A lot of winemakers around the world take Burgundy as their role model, which makes sense, since the winemakers there have been refining their techniques for centuries and the best are among the most highly prized bottles in the world.

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                                    Chinon00 RE: Robert Lauriston Feb 23, 2007 02:15 PM

                                    We've been down this path before (and I'm afraid that we will again). The "California" Chardonnay is nothing like Chablis or Chardonnay that I've had from Italy or Germany. Grapes of any varietal are often a reflection of where they happen to be grown or of the goal of the particular wine maker. Chardonnay is not derivative but reflects its origin across the globe. It is not "one thing". Certainly a lot of wine makers take Burgundy as the model but that doesn't encompass "one thing" does it?

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                                      Robert Lauriston RE: Chinon00 Feb 23, 2007 04:08 PM

                                      Definitely not. It's not even one thing in Burgundy--so much not that they distinguish Chablis from Burgundy, even though it's in the region.

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                                        Chicago Mike RE: Chinon00 Feb 23, 2007 06:11 PM

                                        Well I honestly think you can say similar things about ALOT of different varietals... that their taste and texture is different from one region of the world to another... But at the end of the day are they so different that I can't tell they're from the same varietal ? Not to me anyway, although I appreciate that you find them to be that different...

                                        The real key for me is that I like chardonnay from almost everywhere it's grown... as opposed to Chenin Blanc and Gewurztraminer, for example, where I find the best expressions to be from the Loire and Alsace respectively.

                                        And on the subject of white wine to drink "on it's own", I find I can get a bottle of ethereal CB, Gewurztraminer, and Riesling with relative consistency, whereas finding what strikes me as a "monumental" chardonnay occurs with less predictability DESPITE the vast quantity of chardonnay offerings produced around the world.

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                                      Chicago Mike RE: Chinon00 Feb 23, 2007 10:50 AM

                                      To answer what I think Chinon's question is, and it's just my personal preference....

                                      I believe there's certainly a core "chardonnay essence" that doesn't change from style to style... whether the wine is a viscous/buttery style or a "flinty/elegant" style... at the essential level it's still "chardonnay", at least to me...

                                      And the perfume and flavor of a GREAT chardonnay is an over-the-top experience. But a much smaller percentage of chardonnay's (from anywhere) get to that sublime level, than do Chenins, Gewurztraminers, and Rieslings, IMO.... just my palate.

                                      There's plenty of very drinkable chardonnays, wines that match great with food, etc. But do they reach an ethereal level, not that often for me, unfortunately.... That's why I'm so knocked out by them when I find one!

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                                        Robert Lauriston RE: Chicago Mike Feb 23, 2007 11:21 AM

                                        The best white Burgundies I've had were so radically different from other chardonnays that I could easily believe they were made from different grapes. If I'd been tasting them blind I might have thought they were reds.

                                        Same goes for the best red Bordeaux.

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                                          drobbia RE: Robert Lauriston Feb 23, 2007 04:04 PM

                                          -This certainly confirms the reality of "terroir".Chardonnay is a varietal, where it is grown and oftentimes the winemakers touch and the vineyard managers dedication assists in the production of the final product.
                                          A Chardonny tasting from around the world (at similiar price points) would quickly demonstate that blind tasted, one could easily perceive a few as red wines. It's the terroir not the varietal.

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                                            Splendid Wine Snob RE: Robert Lauriston Apr 12, 2007 01:43 PM

                                            Absolutely, because it is well known that the Chardonnay grape is probably the most malleable in the world.

                                            And what do you mean by "the same goes for the best red Bordeaux?"

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                                            Chinon00 RE: Chicago Mike Feb 24, 2007 04:25 AM

                                            In your OP you were very specific with your first two choices; Alsace Gerwuztraminer and Loire Chenin Blanc. Then in your third choice you stated "Chardonnay from anywhere", which implied to me that you condsidered chardonnay in general to be at least as predictable as Gerwurz from Alsace or CB from the Loire.

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                                    Conleywd3 RE: Tboy Feb 23, 2007 11:28 AM

                                    My boyfriend and I really like La Crema Chardonnay. Its around $20 so we don't do it all the time, but its a nice treat!

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                                      cooknKate RE: Tboy Feb 26, 2007 12:54 PM

                                      I love sipping a good Viognier too, and it you like that, you may enjoy a Torrontes from Argentina. It's another exotic and heady white. And while I agree that a good Alsace gewurtztraminer is lovely, I have had wonderful gewurtz. from South Africa as well.

                                      1. TonyO RE: Tboy Feb 26, 2007 05:30 PM

                                        Try Pine Ridge Chenin Blanc / Viognier blend. At $11, it is a true bargain that can be enjoyed anytime.

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                                          Bill Hunt RE: TonyO Feb 26, 2007 05:43 PM

                                          I second the Pine Ridge. Unfortunately, it's all but disappeared from the shelves in PHX. This seemed to happen about the time that Mrs (nee MS) Andres sold PR, but may have had nothing to do with it. Great "welcome" wine.

                                          Hunt

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                                            TonyO RE: Bill Hunt Feb 27, 2007 06:04 PM

                                            Agree. One of the wines that make sense to purchase by the case. Funny, I pay about $10 with a 12 bottle discount of 10% and I have seen it on restaurant lists at $35 !

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                                              invinotheresverde RE: Bill Hunt Jul 29, 2010 09:09 PM

                                              Andrus. ;)

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                                                Bill Hunt RE: invinotheresverde Jul 30, 2010 08:20 PM

                                                I knew that did not look right, when I typed it.

                                                Thanks,

                                                Hunt

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                                              cooknKate RE: TonyO Feb 28, 2007 01:40 PM

                                              I love that one too.....I love the balance of the exotic Viognier and the steely Chenin. Thankfully I can find it all the time!

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                                              Tboy RE: Tboy Feb 27, 2007 07:37 PM

                                              I love the sound of the Pine Ridge...now just to find it up here in Canada! TonyO...where do you get your "case" of this wine from????

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                                                TonyO RE: Tboy Mar 1, 2007 03:54 PM

                                                I am in Vermont so most local wine merchants have it (I am near Burlington). I usually shop at Cheese Traders (So. Burlington), Beverage Warehouse (Winooski), or Richmond Beverage (Richmond). I'm not sure about availibility right now as I purchased my case in September / October.

                                              2. scrappydog RE: Tboy Mar 1, 2007 12:23 PM

                                                I agree with many of the suggestions above, and often opt for a NZ Sav Blanc (Babich, for one, but there are scores that we like) or the Pine Ridge mentioned above. In the bargain category, the Bonny Doon Big House White is pleasant at about $6 locally.

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                                                  jonathon RE: scrappydog Mar 1, 2007 04:03 PM

                                                  Big House White for $6............? Where is that?.............Randall hasn't made that
                                                  wine for at least 2 years now.................

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                                                    scrappydog RE: jonathon Mar 1, 2007 04:13 PM

                                                    Local Trader Joe's last month. I guess it must have been a closeout.

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                                                      scrappydog RE: scrappydog Mar 1, 2007 04:28 PM

                                                      They also regularly carry the BH Red at $7.99, and generally, that is always in stock. However, the last two BH Red that I bought were not as good as I remember from earlier years.(At least in my opinion.) I am sure this is not due to the recent sale of the brand, as they were clearly bottled before that. Must be due to a change in the mix or source of grapes used.

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                                                  diane419 RE: Tboy Mar 1, 2007 04:07 PM

                                                  orvieto PERFECTO!

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                                                    Cerise 37 RE: Tboy Mar 1, 2007 05:41 PM

                                                    New Zealand Savignon Blanc is very refreshing and the price is right. I lived in N.Z. for two years and drank alot of their SB. I found their expensive SB wasn't any better than their inexpensive. Sancerre is my all time favorite, but too expensive to drink every night. A French Chardonnay or Chablis (if you like steely) is a nice change.

                                                    I am going to try Gavi and Arneis as I have been reading about them in some of the food and wine magazines. Anybody have any comments?

                                                    So many wines, so little time!!

                                                    Enjoy,

                                                    Cerise

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                                                      kenito799 RE: Cerise 37 Mar 2, 2007 04:35 AM

                                                      Italian whites are great! So many varieties and regions to choose from, fresh young fun wines. Roero Arneis was my favorite white last year...aromatic, tangy with minerality and floral notes. 05 Funtanin is only $9 at PJWine right now. Gavi and other Cortese are also really nice, crisp, easy drinking, great for warm weather. I just tried some Grechetto from Umbria (05 Chiorri) crisp with a touch of frizzante, pears, hazelnuts, good body. Another delicious varietal is Vermentino di Sardegna, vanilla and tropical fruits, Argiolas has an excellent and inexpensive one.

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                                                        cooknKate RE: Cerise 37 Apr 8, 2007 07:46 AM

                                                        Principessa Gavi is one of my favorite summer whites

                                                      2. Bill Hunt RE: Tboy Mar 1, 2007 07:38 PM

                                                        Do yourself a favor and try a good Gavi d' Gavi. The Coretese grape really shines! Great, light white with a lot of flavors.

                                                        Hunt

                                                        1. ballulah RE: Tboy Mar 5, 2007 12:00 PM

                                                          I've been telling everyone who will listen about a Greek wine from a nearly extinct varietal that is unbelieveably good: Malagousia. This could quite possibly be a near perfect white wine, peach and apple fruit notes, tart, floral, hint of honeysuckle sweetness, many many layers of complexity in a very drinkable wine. It's artisinally produced in small quantities so it can be hard to find. But wow, if you can find it. Gerovassiliou is the winemaker.

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                                                            zammdogg RE: ballulah Aug 5, 2010 03:11 PM

                                                            Color me intrigued...where've you bought it? Is it possible to order online?

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                                                            kerdragon RE: Tboy Apr 11, 2007 02:25 PM

                                                            I found a Muller-Thurgau from the Baden region of Germany at a wine tasting that I love as an aperitif. Ironically, I haven't managed to figure out a good food match for it.

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                                                              rickym13 RE: kerdragon Apr 11, 2007 05:16 PM

                                                              i like to drink good high end calif chard on its own:

                                                              aubert
                                                              kistler
                                                              Kongsgaard
                                                              sqn
                                                              lewis

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                                                              zammdogg RE: Tboy Aug 5, 2010 03:10 PM

                                                              2006 Kurt Erbes Urzinger Wurzgarten Riesling. Perfect with chinese, brimming with sweetness and a tangerine-like nose, excellent on its own, too

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