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<topic>
  <id>370434</id>
  <title>Is there a term for a cheese expert?</title>
  <published_at>Mon Feb 12 13:58:47 -0800 2007</published_at>
  <post_count>33</post_count>
  <board>
    <id>29</id>
    <name>Not About Food</name>
  </board>
  <posts>
    <post>
      <post>
        <level>0</level>
        <id>2285553</id>
        <content>Like sommelier is to wine or charcuterie is to cured meats?</content>
        <published_at>Mon Feb 12 13:58:47 -0800 2007</published_at>
        <parent_id></parent_id>
        <user>
          <id>22335</id>
          <name>SLRossi</name>
        </user>
      </post>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>2285585</id>
      <content>Ma&#238;tre Fromager
</content>
      <published_at>Mon Feb 12 14:06:55 -0800 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>2285553</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>11362</id>
        <name>Brian S</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>2286314</id>
      <content>Cheesehead?</content>
      <published_at>Mon Feb 12 17:20:30 -0800 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>2285553</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>10926</id>
        <name>mnosyne</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>2286718</id>
      <content>Not to nitpick, but a person skilled in making charcuterie is a charcutier.  I have no idea about cheese, but I would love to earn that distinction!</content>
      <published_at>Mon Feb 12 19:39:01 -0800 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>2285553</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>21341</id>
        <name>hrhboo</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>2286731</id>
      <content>tete de fromage?</content>
      <published_at>Mon Feb 12 19:44:16 -0800 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>2285553</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>50431</id>
        <name>chef chicklet</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>2286769</id>
      <content>it's not clear exactly what you're looking for in your analogies, but you might
look up "affineur" [affinage] as well as the "fromager" mentioned above.</content>
      <published_at>Mon Feb 12 19:54:26 -0800 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>2285553</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>16770</id>
        <name>psb</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>2287567</id>
      <content>Eventually overweight?</content>
      <published_at>Tue Feb 13 06:32:18 -0800 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>2285553</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>12099</id>
        <name>sivyaleah</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>2287582</id>
      <content>You may want to look up Monsieur Herve Mons.  According to the French government, he is a certified expert in cheeses.  He sometimes lectures at the Murray's cheese shop tasting room in New York.  He is an "affineur" who selects and ages cheese.  </content>
      <published_at>Tue Feb 13 06:36:49 -0800 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>2285553</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>14011</id>
        <name>vicki_vale</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>2</level>
      <id>2288128</id>
      <content>Herv&#233; Mons is a Ma&#238;tre Fromager , just as I suggested above. See e.g.
https://web.iceculinary.com/icereg/details.asp?cid=FDP101&amp;DT=

</content>
      <published_at>Tue Feb 13 09:05:23 -0800 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>2287582</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>11362</id>
        <name>Brian S</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>3</level>
      <id>2288473</id>
      <content>"affineur," "fromager," "Maitre Fromager," ... In other words, there is no widely accepted or standard term for a cheese expert.</content>
      <published_at>Tue Feb 13 10:24:46 -0800 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>2288128</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>23835</id>
        <name>mclaugh</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>3</level>
      <id>2289510</id>
      <content>Au contraire, mon ami, M. Mons est un affineur.

http://bigcheesestories.blogspot.com/2006/04/making-mons.html</content>
      <published_at>Tue Feb 13 14:01:23 -0800 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>2288128</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>50588</id>
        <name>pgym</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>2288542</id>
      <content>Cheese Wiz?</content>
      <published_at>Tue Feb 13 10:39:01 -0800 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>2285553</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>57170</id>
        <name>Veggo</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>2</level>
      <id>2288916</id>
      <content>Ha!  Good one!</content>
      <published_at>Tue Feb 13 11:54:27 -0800 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>2288542</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>12099</id>
        <name>sivyaleah</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>3</level>
      <id>2490953</id>
      <content>if this "celebrity cheese" trend continues, how about "fromage entourage" ...
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/17/world/europe/17cheese.html
</content>
      <published_at>Tue Apr 17 22:07:56 -0700 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>2288916</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>16770</id>
        <name>psb</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>2288801</id>
      <content>I have seen a business card with the term "Cheese Monger" on it.  Maybe it was made up, but it gives the impression.</content>
      <published_at>Tue Feb 13 11:29:30 -0800 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>2285553</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>15785</id>
        <name>monday</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>2289806</id>
      <content>Cheese Monger is a British term if I am not mistaken.  An Affineur is one who ages cheeses so your expert amy or may not be one.  </content>
      <published_at>Tue Feb 13 15:12:26 -0800 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>2285553</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>59959</id>
        <name>deangold</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>2</level>
      <id>2295863</id>
      <content>a cheese monger actually sells cheese.  </content>
      <published_at>Thu Feb 15 10:41:12 -0800 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>2289806</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>30273</id>
        <name>hotoynoodle</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>2289836</id>
      <content>We always called the boss "the chief sniffer of the cheese"</content>
      <published_at>Tue Feb 13 15:18:44 -0800 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>2285553</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>41679</id>
        <name>Den</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>2290221</id>
      <content>I'm pretty sure on this. Fromager is the term I've become famiiar with for the person who fulfills the cheese role closest to that of the Sommelier for wine.The Montage Resort (here in Laguna Beach) has a staff of 'cheese experts" in their Loft Restaurant.  The senior person, Star Cornwall, is their Fromager. She is responsible for the 'cheese list', explains the cheeses, helps you with your selection, even helps prepare the plates.  sortof the 'executive chef d' cheese'.

As far as I know, an Affineur (while certainly a cheese expert) is responsible for the production through final ripening of the cheese, but not necessarily in dealing with the public. The Artisan, in NYC, while it doesn't make cheese, does do the final ripening, and their staff are called 'Affineurs' as well.</content>
      <published_at>Tue Feb 13 17:17:09 -0800 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>2285553</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>11405</id>
        <name>Midlife</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>2</level>
      <id>2292932</id>
      <content>Cheese Whiz! </content>
      <published_at>Wed Feb 14 12:58:27 -0800 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>2290221</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>15280</id>
        <name>Flynn1</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>3</level>
      <id>2295086</id>
      <content>You're late!  Veggo already wrote that above :-)</content>
      <published_at>Thu Feb 15 07:47:16 -0800 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>2292932</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>12099</id>
        <name>sivyaleah</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>4</level>
      <id>2296538</id>
      <content>I owe you a gold-plated lapel pin, I suppose.</content>
      <published_at>Thu Feb 15 13:04:53 -0800 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>2295086</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>57170</id>
        <name>Veggo</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>4</level>
      <id>2298715</id>
      <content>You're right! I hadn't read all the posts.

Okay, how about The Big Cheese?</content>
      <published_at>Fri Feb 16 07:28:30 -0800 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>2295086</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>15280</id>
        <name>Flynn1</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>2295196</id>
      <content>Master Cheeseologist?</content>
      <published_at>Thu Feb 15 08:14:08 -0800 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>2285553</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>12130</id>
        <name>malibumike</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>2295225</id>
      <content>cheese experts and fromagers 

check out who some of them are on the artisanal site:
http://www.artisanalcheese.com/products.asp?dept=1096</content>
      <published_at>Thu Feb 15 08:21:22 -0800 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>2285553</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>34796</id>
        <name>sarapeater</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>2295934</id>
      <content>I just phoned Artisanal restaurant in NYC and they said Fromager. </content>
      <published_at>Thu Feb 15 10:56:19 -0800 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>2285553</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>11362</id>
        <name>Brian S</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>2296549</id>
      <content>Professor Stink Chequer - unless that's me having flashbacks to checking my kids diapers.</content>
      <published_at>Thu Feb 15 13:07:35 -0800 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>2285553</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>16775</id>
        <name>PapaT</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>2296595</id>
      <content>*ahem*

A Cheese Monger is indeed a seller of cheese.  Just as a fish monger is a seller of fish.  As others have noted, there is no term in the cheese world equivalent to a sommelier, which implies a certain level of education and expertise in the subject.

An affineur is essentially an ager of cheese.  A distinction in Europe that is not quite as relevant here.  Again, M. Mons, Rolf Beeler (Switz) and Luigi Guffanti (Italy) are examples of great European affineurs.

The Maitre Fromager is probably as close to a sommelier as I would go, but again, there is nothing like the Court of Master Sommeliers in the world of cheese.

(And while we are at it, let's not forget caseophile, lover of cheese)</content>
      <published_at>Thu Feb 15 13:18:45 -0800 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>2285553</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>50776</id>
        <name>cheesemonger</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>2298015</id>
      <content>We called our cheese expert a "Cheese Goddess"</content>
      <published_at>Thu Feb 15 20:52:06 -0800 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>2285553</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>39914</id>
        <name>lunchbox</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>2</level>
      <id>2298636</id>
      <content>If I called Mr McCalman (at Picholine, NYC) that, he might be, if not offended, a bit puzzled. </content>
      <published_at>Fri Feb 16 07:05:42 -0800 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>2298015</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>11362</id>
        <name>Brian S</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>3</level>
      <id>2299570</id>
      <content>Max McCalman does indeed take his cheese quite seriously. In addition to being the Maitre d' Fromage' for Picholine, Daphne Zepos, Waldemar Albrecht, and Gerry Dawes, he's heavily involved with Artisanal Cheese (NYC) which is much more than a cheese shop.  From what I know of it, they are affineurs (finishers) for a rather long list of the area's best restaurants.  I know he has a sense of humor, so maybe he'd think some of the funnier suggestions were 'cute'?</content>
      <published_at>Fri Feb 16 10:44:33 -0800 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>2298636</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>11405</id>
        <name>Midlife</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>2490996</id>
      <content>fromage impresario</content>
      <published_at>Tue Apr 17 22:35:47 -0700 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>2285553</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>92305</id>
        <name>mmmclapclap</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>2491879</id>
      <content>Chef de lait putr&#233;fi&#233;</content>
      <published_at>Wed Apr 18 08:47:26 -0700 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>2285553</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>36661</id>
        <name>Sam Fujisaka</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>2492109</id>
      <content>Purveyor of the Fermented Curd (but only in a Python sketch). But seriously, I admire the fromager's skill. </content>
      <published_at>Wed Apr 18 09:48:46 -0700 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>2285553</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>49959</id>
        <name>thegolferbitch</name>
      </user>
    </post>
  </posts>
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