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is it too early to talk about corned beef and cabbage?

Danimal Feb 7, 2007 08:39 PM

My buddies and I do a corned beef and cabbage cook off every year for the holiday. None of us are very good cooks, but we try. I brined my own last year. It was pretty good, but it was $4 a pound, compared to $1 a pound for the stuff at the supermarket, and not four times as good. I've also been interested in cooking with dirt cheap ingredients lately.

I usually just do a pot of boiled meat, cabbage, and potatoes, but I don't really like how waterlogged everything usually is, so I'm thinking about roasting it, or at least a really good sear and then a braise. Then I'd deglaze the roasting pan and then cook my cabbage in the liquid, or with a braise, in that liquid. The cabbage has always turned out great. Then roasted or mashed red skins. I'd finish the meat with a horseradish cream sauce.

We also make non-traditional stuff recipes just for fun. Most of you will think heresy. I've seen some BBQ corned beef recipes online... they have never sounded too appetizing, its seems like the flavors would really clash, but all of us have spent some time in North Carolina so I was thinking about giving it a shot since the meat will be on sale. There has been corned beef and cabbage pizza and tacos in previous years, and someone was talking about lasagna. I'm also thinking about a thick pureed soup cabbage and potato soup with corned beef stock and rye croutons, but thats kinda conservative. And can I brine ground beef? Maybe some fatty stuff in thin patties with crispy edges like schoops (nw indiana).

I'm looking for your input on everything... the holiday is really a big deal among us, everyone goes back to our hometown, eats big meal, and drinks way too much.

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  1. Pate RE: Danimal Feb 7, 2007 08:50 PM

    Can I come to your house on St. Pat's day?

    1. coll RE: Danimal Feb 8, 2007 04:02 AM

      I avoid cooking corned beef due to my childhood memories but have had to do it a couple of times (I jusually just go to the deli and buy a pound or so and make Ruebens!) The one time I had people over, I boiled it in beer and it was perfect but then I put it in the oven to hold and it turned into shoe leather in about a half hour. Luckily I had also made Shepherds Pie so we didn't starve.(That might be a better idea for you than lasagna,it's especially nice if you make it with lamb)
      If you roast the corn beef, I suggest braising in a covered pan, due to my past blunder. I'm thinking BBQ wouldn't be juicy but maybe more like cold cuts? Anyway my experiencein general is this is one time price doesn't matter: it always tastes fine (expecially since all the beer being consumed will mask any subtle differences in quality!) I just made the Polish cabbage soup (Bigos?) that was discussed here a month or two ago and was surprised how good it came out (smelled so cabbagey I didn't even try it for a few days but when I finally ate it, wow!). I also have a recipe somewhere for a Rueben dip, which you serve with cocktail rye, it was shredded corned beef, sauerkraut, Russian dressing, swiss and probably something else, baked in the oven and served as an app.
      Don't forget Irish Coffee!!! And soda bread!!!!

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        lucyis RE: Danimal Feb 8, 2007 05:19 AM

        I buy the supermarket kind, but only the "flat cut". When I cook it I add an onion studded with whole cloves to the water and a tablespoon of fresh peppercorns. When the beef is done I glaze it in the oven with a mixture of good spicy mustard and brown sugar. Let it sit before slicing. For the cabbage I like to make a sort of cooked slaw with carrots and a mixture of red and green cabbage with red onions. For the potato you might want to make potato pancakes or borrow from another culture and make an Eastern European potato kugel.

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          CathleenH RE: Danimal Feb 8, 2007 08:15 AM

          As an Irish-American, I grew up with sodden boiled cabbage served with white vinegar. It makes me shudder now. The poor Irish. They eat so much cabbage and cook it so poorly! Now that I've figured out that cabbage should be sauteed it has become my favorite vegetable.

          I'm going to freshen up my corned beef platter this St. Patrick's by serving the cabbage sauteed in butter with carrot, green onion and thyme.

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            shanagain RE: CathleenH Feb 8, 2007 08:31 AM

            My husband is Irish-American, and the first time I made cabbage (cooked my usual way - cut into wedges with a splash of water, a splash of milk and butter in the bottom of the pan - just about a half inch or so total - don't know exactly why the milk is so good, but it is and s&p) he didn't know what it was, because cabbage "isn't supposed to be green." When I told him, he flatly *refused* to eat it.

            To him, cabbage is an inedible mass of olive-drab slime.

            In 16 years of marriage I've never been able to turn him around. Stir-fries, quick saute's, coleslaw... Nothing. Some associations run too deep, I guess.

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            Fuser RE: Danimal Feb 8, 2007 08:26 AM

            I agree that it's often not th the effort to brine yourself when supermarkets sell corned beef at $.49 a pound this time of year. But rinse off the gross crap it comes in and make your own brine. Corned beef gets impossibly tough if you don't give it a long, slow cook. Also, for variation, you can make barbecue (ewwwww IMO), or whatever, but if it were me, I'd focus on a corned beef with biscuits type of dish for a Southern twist.

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              jzerocsk RE: Danimal Feb 8, 2007 08:32 AM

              It's never too early. I cooked corned beef just a couple weeks ago. I mostly use it as an excuse to make hash the following weekend.

              I've had good results making it in the crock pot. If you don't like soggy cabbage you can put it on top during the last couple hours of cooking.

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                Carpetbagger RE: Danimal Feb 8, 2007 08:45 AM

                I think the trick is long cooking for the meat but only an hour or so for the veggies. A trick I picked up when I lived in New Orleans was to add a sack of Zatarain's seafood boil. It pumps up the flavor nicely. http://tinyurl.com/2ptqca

                Also, I skip the boiled potatoes, instead reserving some of the cabbage to make colcannon (mashed potatoes with the cabbage pureed in then baked).

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                  Danimal RE: Carpetbagger Feb 8, 2007 08:08 PM

                  do you have a recipe for the potatoes? that sounds pretty good

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                  swsidejim RE: Danimal Feb 8, 2007 08:56 AM

                  I always find an excuse to have Corned Beef and cabbage a few times a year, in addition to around St. Pats day.

                  I do not like to cook the meat, potatoes, and cabbage together. I steam the potatoes, and add the cabbage at the end. I find the cabbage can be too greasy for my taste if it is cooked with the meat..

                  I simmer my cut of corned beef with some carrots,onions, and garlic and I rub some McCormick pickling spice on the fat side of the meat. I also have to have horseradish to eat with each piece of meat.

                  As another poster said the initial meal is a treat, but I also look forward to the corned beef hash, and the ruebens that are sure to follow. Slainte ....

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                    grapevine RE: Danimal Feb 8, 2007 08:56 AM

                    No, not to early at all! I always forget early enough that I want to corn my own beef from Julia Child's recipe from The Way To Cook. This is the year I will do it. Thanks for reminding me.

                    1. Will Owen RE: Danimal Feb 8, 2007 09:27 AM

                      I've done a "deconstructed" version several times; I think my favorite combo was braised-and-glazed corned beef (flat cut brisket) with scalloped cabbage, and White Rose potatoes boiled with their skins on and then smashed up coarsely with lots of butter. A warm-weather variation is to simmer a corned beef round very gently until it's tender, then weight it down and chill it overnight, and slice it and serve it cold with coleslaw and potato salad.

                      I will admit, however, to enjoying the dish done the old-fashioned "wrong" way, with all the vegetables cooked with the meat (gotta have carrots in there too!) and eaten together. It may not really be an Irish dish from Ireland, but here in America it's Celtic soul food.

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                        berlin RE: Will Owen Feb 8, 2007 09:35 AM

                        Please try Julia's corn beef method in "The Way to Cook"...it's a real winner every time!

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                          berlin RE: berlin Feb 8, 2007 09:37 AM

                          Yikes, please forgive me...I meant CORNED beef....from Julia Child....

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                          Danimal RE: Will Owen Feb 8, 2007 08:10 PM

                          can you elaborate on the corned beef? and the scalloped cabbage?

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                          rexmo RE: Danimal Feb 8, 2007 07:39 PM

                          If you like pastrami, smoked corned beef can come pretty close. I like to soak it to remove salt, rub with a pastrami rub, smoke over cherry or pecan to an internal temp of about 200*F, and pull it instead of slicing.

                          1. Danimal RE: Danimal Mar 19, 2007 12:08 PM

                            I was really short on time saturday, so I just did the BBQ corned beef and coleslaw. It was surprisingly pretty good. I cooked the corned beef in a pressure cooker, shredded it, and mixed in some kraft BBQ sauce. It was served with a basic mayo coleslaw on cheap white buns. It was all gone within 10 minutes.

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