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Petit Rouge

bobby06877 Feb 7, 2007 01:44 PM

I just recently tried a great Italian wine called Le Muraglie from Ezio Voyat. It was highly recommended to me by a friend and it was a nice refreshing change of pace from the wines I had been drinking. The wine is a blend of Petit Rouge, Dolcetto and Gros Wein. Can anyone recommend any other wines that may use petit rouge grapes? I am unable to find much information on that grape variey, very often a search of the name comes up with a variety called petit verdot. Also, what exactly is "gros wein"? Again, I was unable to find much information. Any help appreciated. Thanks

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  1. Robert Lauriston RE: bobby06877 Feb 7, 2007 01:49 PM

    I think petit rouge and gros wein are both local Valle d'Aosta varieties. Good luck finding many outside of the region, but here's a list:


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      RicRios RE: bobby06877 Feb 7, 2007 07:22 PM

      Re. "petit verdot":


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        zin1953 RE: bobby06877 Feb 7, 2007 08:03 PM

        In "Vines, Grapes & Wines," Jancis Robinson's 1986 classic book, she writes: "Petit Rouge is the red variety of the Aosta valley, ripening fairly late to produce deep-coloured flowery wines without too much acid." (page 210) She does not list "Gros Wein" as either a grape variety or a synonym of one.

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          carswell RE: zin1953 Feb 7, 2007 09:20 PM

          The above is consistent with the newly published 3rd edition of *The Oxford Companion to Wine*. No entry for Gros Wein or Gros Vein and Petit Rouge defined (by JR) as "fine red grape variety indigenous to the Valle d'Aosta."

        2. Robert Lauriston RE: bobby06877 Feb 8, 2007 08:35 AM

          What a funny coincidence, we had a bottle last night, a Les Cretes Vallee d'Aoste Torrette 2004. Very light, nice nose, good balance. Interesting fruit.

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            bobby06877 RE: Robert Lauriston Feb 8, 2007 12:52 PM

            I agree, it is a nice light wine and a great change of pace from the nebbiolo obsession my wife has been having lately. I appreciate the link you provided in your earlier post.

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            obob96 RE: bobby06877 Feb 9, 2007 07:53 AM

            You might also try looking for mondeuse-based reds from the Savoie, or Piedmont's grignolino or ruche-based reds for relatively light, fragrant mountainside alternatives to nebbiolo. I'd love to find here (NY) a Rossesse di Dolceacqua from Liguria--remember it as a particularly delicious aromatic, mid-weight, berryish quaffer.

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              jasmurph RE: bobby06877 Feb 9, 2007 04:49 PM

              I think it's actually Gros Vien (which makes a lot more sense spelling-wise, this being a frenchy area), which is a blend of Vien de nus (a white grape) and petit rouge. I think. Italian wine is tricky.

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                Robert Lauriston RE: jasmurph Feb 9, 2007 05:20 PM

                You're right, it's gros vein. Victor Hazan says it's a synonym for vien de nus.

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                  bobby06877 RE: Robert Lauriston Feb 10, 2007 09:06 AM

                  I think you must be right since I am unable to find any refernce to Gros Wein anywhere but the description of the wine on the wine stores web site which reads, in part, that Le Muraglie "is a blend of Petit Rouge, Dolcetto and Gros Wein, grape varieties central to the "valdostana" blending style". I was told that this region of Italy, due to its proximity to France, often mixes and creates some of its own terminology based on both the Italian and French language.

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                    Robert Lauriston RE: bobby06877 Feb 10, 2007 09:27 AM

                    The Valdostana dialect has a heavy French influence.

                    Many of the grape varieties grown there are unknown elsewhere.

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