36652 Mon May 30 19:47:37 -0700 2005 5 1 San Francisco Bay Area 0 169507 The Cannery Wine Cellar, which has been operating without a lease for the past two years, is being squeezed out of the Cannery and will gone by the end of June. Everything is on sale now at a discount of 25 percent or more. It will be replaced by an outlet of the Oakville Grocery. The space, which includes the Cannery Gourmet Market and the candy store, will also acccodate a knife shop/knife sharpening station. Will tourists be boarding palnes with sharp knives? No, Cannery operator Chris Martin's thinking is that local chefs will shop there and bring their knives for sharpening. When the Cannery first opened as a retail-tourism venture, Chronicle architecture critic Allen Temko said the layout of the Cannery was like a "map of Leonard Martin's mind." Like father, like son, perhaps. Link: http://eatingchinese.org Mon May 30 19:47:37 -0700 2005 0 Gary Soup 1 169541 I knew Oakville was coming based on a GraceAnn column, but not where. She also didn't know that Oakville Grocery had once before tried SF (Pacific and Hyde -ish as I recall from my Jr High School years). I actually shopped at Cannery Wine Cellars, though it was always a separate trip. Actually, Oakville Grocery is just like that. In Oakville it is for tourists; the previous SF one went out of business; the Walnut Creek unit was, I believe, closed. The Stanford Shopping Centre version exists, I think. But the chain seems to aim for tourists. (Don't forget Healdsburg). Does Joseph Phelps still own it? As to the knife sharpening, that could be an area for revision. I'll have to see what wine is available at 25% off. Or what B***ing Hot Kick A** sauces. Tue May 31 00:40:07 -0700 2005 169507 0 SteveT 2 169546 The previous SF Oakville Grocery outlet was on Pacific between Larkin and Polk (near the Jug Shop), as I recall. I think I walked in one time out of curiosity and immediately walked out. Checking the Oakville Grocery's website, it doesn't look like they offer much more than the Cannery Gourmet Market or Cost Plus nearby already have. Sheesh, even the new Boudin's market has fancy "organic" EVOO's, vinegars, spreads, and whatnot. Tue May 31 01:17:54 -0700 2005 169541 0 Gary Soup 1 169561 I remember Oakville - I used to shop there regularaly, more than 20 years ago. It was a great place to buy foods. They carried items that you could not find anywhere else. Back then, we were just discovering foods such as balsalmic vinegar, marinated anchovies, exotic olives, etc. Supermarkets did not carry these items - and unless you lived in places like North Beach or close to Macy's (the cellar used to carry some of the best 'gormet' food items at the highest prices), you just could not find these foods. I believe that Oakville did not last in SF because their location was horrible - you could be stading in front of the store and not know it and parking was always difficult. In those days, I was very poor but ate like a king - I was out of work and living on credit cards. Back then, grocery stores did not accept credit cards. But both Macy's cellar and Oakville did. It was the best of times and the worst of times.... Tue May 31 08:41:02 -0700 2005 169507 0 George 2 169593 Oakville's SF location wasn't that bad, it was in business for I think at least four years (opened in 1981, not sure when it closed). I think it just lost its edge, as the obscure items it carried became available elsewhere people had less reason to go there. Tue May 31 14:02:10 -0700 2005 169561 0 Robert Lauriston 1 169564 Actually Frank, the wine guy at the Cannery Wine Cellar, carrled some excellent wines. He also had the largest selection of single malt scotches in the city. Before moving here I ordered wine from Frank a number of times. He was still there at Christmas as my wife purchase several very hard to find zins from him. As far as the Oakville grocery, probably more a tourist venue than something for those of us who live here, especially since it will be at Fisherman's Wharf. Tue May 31 10:51:05 -0700 2005 169507 0 Monty