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Quickie: Are you supposed to refrigerate both dry and sweet vermouth?

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And if I haven't and they've been sitiing out for 2 months do I need to throw them both away?

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  1. Vermouth, both Dry and Sweet are fortified wines that will go bad very quickly and should both be refrigerated. 2 months out will definately have some effect on the wine, but I don't think there is any safety issue with drinking it, especially considering 99% of the bars out there have the same bottles of vermouth sitting out night after night after night.

    You will definitely have an impact in flavor, although it may not be too noticeable right now.

    I much prefer to buy smaller bottles of vermouth and keep them in the fridge so I have a higher turnover.

    1. Also, try sweet vermouth on the rocks. This is a summer drink that people in Spain live on. Maybe not for everyone, but I like it!

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      1. re: Eric the Law Student

        I like dry vermouth the same way--it's lovely in the summer too!

      2. In my own experience, fortified wines like vermouth do not go bad quickly; they keep well for months after opening. I find that exposure to light is bad for them -- sweet vermouths turn from garnet to an unattractive brownish --, but they certainly don't spoil within days the way unfortified wines do. I don't go through tons of vermouth, so some of my bottles are over a year old, but I don't find the deterioration of flavor over time that fafner cites.

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        1. re: MC Slim JB

          I have been doing a lot of research on this lately for a series of articles I'm working on. Vermouth should be kept in the fridge and out of the light. Also that you only buy it from stores with fast turnover where it has only been on the shelves for a few days or weeks. It should be used within six months of bottling, max. up to around 8 months. Before the one year point it will have started to go off in taste. This is for unopened bottles. Opened bottles should be used well within 1month for best flavor. Vermouth doesn't have enough fortification to prevent it from going off quickly. I did a taste test between unopened bottles that were new vs. a few months old and you could easily tell the difference. Also between just opened and in the fridge for two months and the difference was very noticeable. The older they were, the more oxidized and off tasting they became.

          1. re: JMF

            JMF, where and when will I be able to read your articles

            1. re: JMF

              I've done similarly comparisons and haven't noticed such major differences - oxidation in particular was quite limited IMO. My tasting notes are as follows:

              Vermouth comparison (Dolin, new vs. six months old)

              Appearance is the same, completely clear, and a swirl produces the same results, basically no ring and a lot of tiny clinging droplets. The new vermouth has a crisp, sweet, floral and herbal nose with hints of light thyme, curry, a touch of allspice, some lavender, honeysuckle and muscat wine. Taste is light, crisp and very clean. The best description would be a somewhat light, white dessert wine, sweetened, more herbal, with a noticeably boozier kick to the flavor profile. Finish is short, clean, and mildly dry with lingering sweet honeysuckle, pear, fresh thyme, and general floral notes. Greats stuff that would be excellent served chilled over ice, or on the rocks with a bit of soda and twist of orange or lemon.

              The six month old has a noticeably weaker nose, with some slightly stale and musty odors and perhaps just a slight metallic note suggesting a hint of oxidation. That said, there is a strong underlying similarity in terms of the base wine and the overall herbal impression. Furthermore, there are no “off” odors suggesting excessive oxidation screaming out from the glass, and it’s not an unpleasant aroma; really, it’s basically just weaker, less dynamic, slightly stale, and as such, a tad less good. The taste is somewhat similar - there are no off notes of vinegar suggesting excessive oxidation nor anything truly repulsive. The biggest difference is that there is no real depth of flavor, the sweetness is stronger and more generalized, and the whole thing feels a bit flabby. The finish is not as dry, the alcohol notes rougher, and the sweetness stronger and less complex and refined. All that said, it’s not bad, and IMO it could certainly be used in a cocktail without any real damage. Would the fresher Dolin be a step up? Sure, certainly for some cocktails. I made a round of martinis (2.5 oz of Boodles to .75 oz vermouth) a few weeks back using the old Dolin and they were fine. I do think the more pronounced and unrefined sweetness made a slight difference, but it was a real measure of degrees, and overall, they were still damn fine martinis that got very good reviews from my guest whose favorite drink, it’s worth noting, is a martini.

              I've also done a similar comparison for Lillet Blanc and found about the same thing.

          2. I've had no problem keeping them unrefrigerated after opening, though I mostly buy sweet. As mentioned, I probably would want to use it up within 6 months, but I obviously don't have the highly refined palate of others who find an "off" taste.

            I wouldn't throw out the stock you have even if you decide to start refrigerating. Taste them if you're not sure, but my guess is you certainly should have no problem using them as mixers or even drinking straight.

            1. Vermouth is wine, so it will turn to vinegar if left out. Any non-distilled liquor requires refrigeration after opening. According the experts at Noilly Pratt, an opened bottle of vermouth will last about 3 months if properly refrigerated.

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              1. re: seiun

                I'm sure the manufacturers would be thrilled if they can convince people to buy a new bottle every 3 months. Taste your bottle yourself and make up your own mind. I've had bottles that have lasted for years stored in a dark cabinet. Sure, their flavor profile may have changed, but they still tasted fine. Definitely not vinegar!

                1. re: seiun

                  Actually it's a fortified wine, which means it has had spirits added to increase the alcohol, and shelf life.

                2. Well, just tried making a Manhattan with some really old sweet vermouth, and it tasted dreadful, which is how I stumbled on this and other sites addressing the question. According to Noilly Prat, three months in the fridge after opening is safe. Poured that ancient stuff into a clear glass, pure brown, like a wine that has gone bad . . . which it is.

                  Now experimenting with what remains: Can I freeze it? The alcohol may prevent that. If it works, I'll parcel out the next bottle, I just don't use it often enough to justify a fresh bottle four times a year.

                  PS: Have had many wines kept way past their drinkability. The alcohol does not turn to vinegar. Rather, the wine turns to sh*it!

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                  1. re: NeverLift

                    Maybe you've read this above, but I suggest:
                    a) keep all vermouth, sherry, etc in the refrigerator,
                    b) use a vac-u-vin to evacuate most of the air.
                    c) drink more Manhattans,
                    d) buy a 375ml bottle if available
                    e) use an interesting sweet vermouth, like Carpano Antica Formula and drink it straight
                    f) focus your sweet vermouth cocktails into one season (winter?)
                    g) drink other sweet vermouth drinks, like the Negroni, to use it up

                    No amount of great liquor can improve spoiled vermouth.

                    --
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                  2. Vermouth is white or red wine that has been infused with a mixture of botanicals and fortified by the addition of a neutral alcohol like un-aged brandy or grain alcohol. The fact that it is fortified leads many people to believe that it is shelf-stable, that is simply not true. For a better vermouth experience, buy a high quality product such as one of the offerings from Boissiere, Noilly Prat, or Vya, and always buy from a source with high turnover. Vermouth should be used within 6-8 months of bottling or it begins to go off. Once opened, it should be stored in the refrigerator and away from light. Even when stored properly, it oxidizes like any other wine, so it is advisable to finish the bottle within a month after opening. Unfortunately, this means you should almost never order vermouth (or a cocktail containing it) in a random bar where the bottle is just sitting out and has been open for who knows how long. Find a cocktail establishment where they care about these things, or make it yourself at home.

                    1. Taste first and see, but in general I'd guess that the bottles should be poured down the drain. If you vacu-vin and refrigerate your vermouth, it can last surprisingly long. I did a comparison of six month old Dolin dry that had been religiously vacu-sealed and refrigerated after each use with fresh Dry Dolin the differences were surprisingly subtle.