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My informal taste test: Makers Mark vs. Old Overholt

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Unpossible Jan 31, 2007 06:53 AM

For some reason last night I felt inclined to do a taste test between the two. Surprisingly, I preferred the Old Overholt rye over the Makers Mark bourbon. Although the Makers Mark had more obvious flavor, the rye was far smoother and I enjoyed its subtlety.

Anyone have any explanation/thoughts/other recommendations?

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    zin1953 Jan 31, 2007 04:38 PM

    Sure. One is a Bourbon. One isn't.

    Although Maker's Mark does contain rye, it is first and foremost a Bourbon, and as such, must be a) made from a minimum of 51 percent corn, and b) must age in new American white oak barrels.

    Old Overholt is a rye whiskey -- made from rye, not from corn. That's a substantial difference right there. Also, I do not *think* there is a requirement for new oak aging (I'll have to check when I get home and can access my library).

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      davis_sq_pro Jan 20, 2010 07:46 AM

      Just to set the record straight:

      A) Maker's contains no rye. It contains only malted barley, wheat, and corn.
      B) Straight rye must be at least 51% rye, but the rest of the mash bill usually includes corn and malted barley, just like bourbon. Aside from that, the aging requirements in new oak, etc, are the same as for straight bourbon.

      1. re: davis_sq_pro
        JMF Jan 23, 2010 09:24 AM

        To be exact, Makers Mark is 70% corn, 14% barley malt, 16% wheat.

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          JMF Jan 23, 2010 09:27 AM

          An average mash bill for a rye whiskey is 60% rye, 23% corn, 12% malted barley.

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            davis_sq_pro Jan 23, 2010 11:17 AM

            Is the rye usually malted? I'm wondering if such a small percentage of barley malt has enough enzymatic power to convert the starches in that much corn and rye if the rye is not also malted. I guess they're using 6-row barley? (Trying to remember some of the detail from when I used to do all-grain brewing, but it's not coming back too easily at the moment.)

            1. re: davis_sq_pro
              JMF Jan 23, 2010 12:27 PM

              As far as I know malted rye is almost always the type of rye used in whiskeys, but I am not 100% positive. I've heard that as low as 5% malted barley is enough to convert the starches. On average Bourbon whiskeys have around 5-12% barley malt, 13% rye, and 75+% corn. On average American rye whiskey is 65% rye, 23% corn, 12% malted barley (I had a typo earlier in the thread.) Anchor uses 100% malted rye in their rye whiskeys.

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                JMF Feb 9, 2010 05:58 AM

                I asked around and I think I was wrong that malted rye is in common use. A few places use it, most use regular rye. Hard to get info sometimes. While artisanal distillers are open to sharing some info, the big guys won't.

      2. JMF Feb 1, 2007 07:08 AM

        That's sort of like comparing apples and lychees.

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          km137805 Jan 19, 2010 05:42 PM

          Recently I went on the Bourbon Trail in Kentucky and I had the opportunity to visit Maker's Mark and on the tour the guide said that their particular variety of Bourbon had a larger amount of wheat than many of the other Bourbons, which gives it the smoother taste.

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            BustedFlush Jan 19, 2010 07:04 PM

            Exactly. In the bourbon world it's called a 'wheater'. W.L.Weller and some others use wheat too, for the reasons your guide stated.

            Unfortunately, to me it makes for a rather bland whiskey compared to one with more rye like Wild Turkey.

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              cannedmilkandfruitypebbles Jan 20, 2010 08:29 AM

              There is an all wheat whisky made by Bernheim. I had it at a tasting a few years ago and while not entirely captivating, it does have differnt taste and mouthfeel than just about anything else out there. If you need an interesting addition to your bar, I'd recommend it for the $40 they charge. http://www.bernheimwheatwhiskey.com/m...

              1. re: cannedmilkandfruitypebbles
                JMF Jan 23, 2010 09:20 AM

                Bernheim isn't all wheat. To be called a wheat whiskey it just has to be 51% wheat. I don't know the total amount of wheat in the mash, but it is probably less than 70% because wheat just doesn't have the flavors and sugars to make a good 100% wheat whiskey. Just a guess from tasting it I would think it has 60% wheat, 25% corn, 15% malted barley. Those figures probably aren't exact, but I bet they are in the apx ballpark

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                  cannedmilkandfruitypebbles Jan 25, 2010 02:44 PM

                  it's funny, those were my *exact* approximations as well.

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                    JMF Feb 9, 2010 06:09 AM

                    I did a little hunting around and it seems that Bernheim may have only the minimum 51% wheat, with corn being the majority of the rest, with malted barley being in the minority.

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