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jumpingmonk Jan 29, 2007 10:08 AM

Hi,
was wondering if anyone new of any resturaunts in the greater Chinatown area (chinatown proper plus the chuch of the Lower East side that is now functionally Chinatown) where one can simply order Chinese Chive cakes (those pan fried chive and shrimp patty like dumplings found in many Dim Sum Brunches) as opposes to it only being availalbe as part of the random Dim Sum brunch on weekend mornings. I am almost always in chinatown at middady on a weekday so those brunches don't help me much.

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    koreankorean Jan 29, 2007 10:32 AM

    omg i love those too and i'm so often disappointed when i go to dim sum and don't see those!! (sorry to post when i dont have this info). looking forward to seeing the answers.

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      Lau Jan 29, 2007 11:07 AM

      i think you're talking about lo bat gow, which is made up of shredded daikon. There is a place called Fong Too Inn on Mott right south of bayard that used to have a guy who just made that and dou hua (or doufu fa). I don't think he's outside anymore, but I'm pretty sure they still make it inside and they definately sell the raw form, so basically all you have to do is get some oil, put it in a pan and fry it up. Get some oyster sauce and you're money.

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        SomeRandomIdiot Jan 29, 2007 12:20 PM

        If ur talking about the semi translucent dumplings with mostly chives and pork filling, they have em for takeout at 9 chatham square (the place with the red awning).

        1. wench31 Jan 29, 2007 05:53 PM

          I agree. go to 9 chatham square. it's a hole in the wall but it's a great place for take out.

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            koreankorean Jan 31, 2007 12:48 PM

            After daydreaming about those chive dumplings for days, I finally braved the cold and walked to the Chatham Restaurant at 9 Chatham Sq. I got 3 chive + shrimp dumplings for $1.70 and the turnip with shrimp also for $1.70, as well as too much hot + sour soup for $3.00.

            The chive dumplings were okay, but not spectacular. Probably because they were already slightly cold when I got there. Maybe not fried enough?
            The turnip with shrimp was a little too salty but otherwise satisfactory. The soup was decent. I'm not sorry I went but not sure if they were worth 25 minutes of walking in the cold..

            Any other place for these chive dumplings?

            Thanks!!

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              jumpingmonk Jan 31, 2007 02:13 PM

              Hey, I was in ChtT too today. We probably walked right past each other. I actually saved 9 chatam for another day (I was loaded down with soup but if you say they've got'm I at least try.

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                koreankorean Feb 1, 2007 06:41 AM

                haha, yeah im sure i pass by many chowhounds everyday without even realizing.

                i think the chive cakes were okay, just not worth walking in this arctic freeze. and to be fair, they did offer to make me a fresh batch but i didnt want to wait 10 minutes. possibly because the chive cakes one gets at a dim sum is right off the metal grill thingy, those would taste better than anything that's been sitting around.

                next time the weather is better, im going to try the "Fried Dumpling" place that's right on Mosco street below Mott, as i keep seeing a lot of people in there. i'm going to see if they have the chive dumplings.

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                jumpingmonk Feb 7, 2007 11:39 AM

                Just though you might want to know that I tried the cakes at 9 Chatham today I agree thery alreagh but not spectacular (a little underchived for my taste)

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                  pabboy Feb 8, 2007 05:06 AM

                  I hate recommending this place because I think their dimsum is lousy, but since your request is for a location that serves it w/out having to try your luck at push carts.... Dim Sum Go Go. No carts, just a checkbox menu. I guess it's a good place for dimsum novice. Don't blame me if it doesn't satisfy ;-)

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                    aimeezing1 Mar 18, 2007 05:08 PM

                    We love Dim Sum Go Go - as the food is made to order, the dim sum is always fresh - they have chive and shrimp dumplings which are GREAT!!

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                      pabboy Mar 19, 2007 07:11 AM

                      I disagree. Just because it is made to order it doesn't mean it's good. The beef/shrimp chowfun are always limp and shriveled up. Shrimp dumpling skins are thick and overcooked. Most of the other items are either flavored wrong or just plain awful. And what's the deal with the Chinese Hambuger? If that's not a tourist/guilo bait I don't know what is. Unfortunately I end up back there periodically because out-of-towners insist on going to "something different" and for it's the first place to popup when you search for dimsum and NYC.

                  2. csw Feb 8, 2007 06:21 AM

                    They dont sell dim sum in dumpling stores and its always best hot off the carts. Even had you purchased it fresh off the cart, by the time you bring it home the dish would be inferior. Best thing to do is pan fry it over the skillet to reheat it. You can also order dim sum takeout in the massive dining halls. Just tell the lady and she'll direct you off to the sides where someone will pull off the dishes you want to go. The only other places with take out off to the sides is Harmony Palace and Wing shoon.

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                      Lau Feb 10, 2007 12:31 PM

                      is wing shoon any good? i've seen it a bunch of times, but never been

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                        Pan Feb 10, 2007 07:08 PM

                        Yeah, it's got some good dishes, like steamed flounder with the classic soy, ginger, and cilantro. I've never had a bad meal there. My meals have ranged from OK to very good. I've seen that they hold a lot of banquets, and some of the banquet dishes have looked very good to me.

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                          Lau Feb 10, 2007 11:41 PM

                          is it a yum cha place or more of a seafood restaurant?

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                            csw Feb 11, 2007 09:08 AM

                            They serve both. I prefer their roast pork buns too. Its not gloppy and gooey like 9 Chathams.

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                              Pan Feb 12, 2007 10:27 PM

                              Not just seafood. Their soy sauce chicken is very good, for example.

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                        jumpingmonk Feb 8, 2007 06:45 AM

                        I've been to Dim sum go-go and I agree, it's lousy. (Goody's next door is even worse). I agree that using a hall is the best option when it is possible, it is in fact what I do with a few of the places closer to where I live (Westchester). The problem is that very few places will make up an order of anything off the dim sum menu at any hour except when they are already serving dim sum (i.e. on the weekends).

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                          pabboy Feb 8, 2007 08:59 AM

                          Ah... a fellow Westchester resident! Perhaps place 5 orders at Aberdeen to go next time you have dimsum there? Still taste great after you nuke it.

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                            jumpingmonk Mar 18, 2007 04:52 PM

                            Bad news everybody I got an order of cakes at Aberdeen Today and they must have changes chefs The cakes are now much larger (which is suppose is good) but not nearly as tasty (which I know is bad) also on the saide do not order thier Amoy Mai fun Its terrible (they add celery and peppers to it and absouted nothing dresses the noodles)

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                              pabboy Mar 19, 2007 07:14 AM

                              I've had the same experiece as couple times before as well. Maybe 1 out of 6 meals, their food is way off. I just attribute it to the chef having the day off because everytime after it's back to their normal goodness. If I hit one of those lows again, I'm gonna have a chat w/ the management.

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                          bac528 Feb 8, 2007 10:26 AM

                          Take a cab uptown to 2nd Avenue...try the scallion pancakes at Nancy Lee's Pig Heaven...Heaven is appropriate as you think you've died and gone there when eating anything at this establishment!!!!

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                            pabboy Feb 8, 2007 10:43 AM

                            Not to be rude but come on!

                            jumpingmonk is talking specifically about getting pan fried chives & shrimp dumplings at anytime of the day.

                            Scallion pancake isn't even part of Cantonese dimsum offering.

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                              koreankorean Feb 8, 2007 10:55 AM

                              haha, yeah it's off-topic, but now i will totally check out this pig heaven place. something about pig and heaven - sounds just right. wonder if they have good pork belly

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                            jumpingmonk Feb 8, 2007 12:22 PM

                            To pabboy yes I agree so far aberdeen have been the best chive cakes I've had. They also serve them at Central Seafood but avoid these (they don't cook the chives right and the resulting cakes are eye watering) They do have good Giger scallion beef and ginger scallion lo mein there though.
                            I actually dont mind the off topic as I love scallion pancakes as well. That being said ive had Pig Heaven's and was a bit underwhelmed (maybe I went too early in the day) the ribs are good though a bit expensive. Still to each thier own, bac528 and at least you have celebrities on your side (Pig heaven is reported Woody Allen's favorite Chinese resturaunt) Korean I dont think they have pork belly (they do have pork butt and cantonese roast sukling pig dont know if that the same) It you making that 2nd ave jorney you may also want to hit Phoenix Garden on 40th (its about half a block towards third.) and try thier signature sirt fried milk with crab (yummy!!)

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                              FattyDumplin Feb 11, 2007 12:24 PM

                              had them at chinatown brasserie today. very expensive, i think 4 small ones for $6. but the best i've had in the city. Ingredients in side are fresh, flavorful and shrimp were approprietly firm and not in any way overcooked. The wrapper is just the right chewiness and were pan fried to a nice crisp. its too bad that to fill up would cost you about 2 - 3x any other dimsum place.

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                                jumpingmonk Feb 14, 2007 03:34 AM

                                well, now that we've sorta left chinatown proper I migh as well give you the names of the two out of chinatown places I know of that have the cakes on call one is the Cafe Evergreen (71st on 1st I think) and the other is Sammy's noodle shop (11th st on 6th) In my opion sammys are the better of the two (plus if your there a moderate walk will get you onto Hudson st. in Greenwich village for some of Momma Buddah's yummy basil pancakes!)

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                                  jumpingmonk Nov 17, 2009 01:01 PM

                                  one piece of bad news
                                  last week when I was in the area I visited Sammy's and they infromed me that chive cakes are no longer amoung thier offerings. Guess this leaves Evergreen as the only out of C-town place left, except perhaps chinatown brassire (havent been there recently so I dont know if they still do it)

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                                Gelaine Feb 15, 2007 03:20 PM

                                We order in a lot from Cafe Evergreen (69th and First... next to McDonalds !) Just recently discovered the shrimp and chive cakes (we've tended to get stuck in a rut when ordering:(
                                and my husband loves them. But then... we're not real Chinese food mavens.

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                                  jumpingmonk Mar 7, 2007 01:14 PM

                                  Just found another place in chinatown that has chive cakes. Surpisingly theyer avaialbe at the larger of the two bakeries on Grand between Eldrige and Allen streets (I forgot the name but it was somthing like the Great bakery. If you just across the street from Hoy Wong your'e at the right one) it closer to allen than eldrige. They cakes were cold when i got them but even so they were not half bad and will prably be even better once heated. The place also has pretty good scallion pancakes.

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                                    jumpingmonk Mar 21, 2007 02:12 PM

                                    One more place I found them today at wing shoon 165 E Broadway by the way the adress of the bakery from last wendsay is 303 Grand Street and I made a mistake Is actually the samller of the two bakeries.

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                                      koreankorean Mar 21, 2007 02:58 PM

                                      as soon as the weather gets better, I will make my 'journey' to try them for sure!

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                                        Lau Mar 23, 2007 08:05 AM

                                        is wing shoon any good? ive walked by it a # of times, but never went in

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                                          csw Mar 23, 2007 06:35 PM

                                          I prefer theirs over to chatham 9, They make a pretty good roast pork bun too.

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                                            jumpingmonk Mar 28, 2007 01:37 PM

                                            New update!
                                            Tried the cakes at Grand Harmony (98 Mott) They are the best I have found to date! perfectly balaced between the chive and shrim nice and well crisped perfect. easily the equal of sammy's (up till now my N.Y. Favorite)

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                                      HLing Mar 29, 2007 07:49 PM

                                      I just read through the whole thread, and wondering if you are talking about the "Chive Boxes" Jiu3 cai4 He2 Zi5? 韭菜盒子? If so, calling it "cake" is sort of misleading.
                                      If it is the over sized flat dumpling that you want, I would get them at any of those 4 for $1 fried dumpling places such as Tasty Dumpling on Mulberry across from the columbus park, or the place on Moscoe on a slant, off of Mulberry...

                                      Anyway, that is, IF it's what you're looking for. I don't really think of it as a dim sum item, though.

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                                        jumpingmonk Mar 30, 2007 04:25 AM

                                        they might be I check those places next wed. By the way the reason I used the word "cake" is because that was the word used by practically every resturaunt I ordered them from. I can only assume that each resturaunt thought that dumping would be misleading for some reason. I agree that "cake" is a little misleading (especially as there is also that fried chive thing that looks like a doughnut and woud fit cake much better.) but I just didnt have any other word to get my point across.

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                                          pabboy Mar 30, 2007 05:26 AM

                                          I've only known it as 韭菜餅 jiu3 cai4 bin3. I agree on the menus it's "cake". Very misleading.

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                                            wench31 Mar 30, 2007 08:07 AM

                                            How do you guys get these chinese characters on the screen? Very interesting.
                                            :)

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                                              jumpingmonk Mar 30, 2007 09:50 AM

                                              well lets face it until someone invents a universal language (correct that thought, until someone invents a universal language that people are willing to use { i.e. not Esperanto or one that U.N. reasearcher created about ten or fifteen years ago}) technolgy comes up with one of those Star Trek type com badges or we figure out some way for everybody to become fluent in every language, were pretty much stuck with such transaltion errors. At least this one isn't as annoying as my "salt and pepper squid" problem (this relates to which meaning of pepper they're using) or my diffucty buying loose teas (I don't know how many times I've gone in for Iron Warrior Monk {Tie lo han} and wound up with ordinary Iron Goddess of Mercy {Tie Guan Yin}) I also suspect that Amoy mai fun and Ha Moon mai fun are proably two different transaltions of the same rice noodle dish. Oh well one must manage.

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                                                HLing Mar 30, 2007 11:29 AM

                                                Definitely, the different Chinese dialects will give you different sounds to translate from...Amoy mai fun, Ha Moon mai fun..And dont' forget that Malaya, Singaporean, Vietnamese..etc all have major Chinese elements in the cuisine, and therefore in the naming of the dishes...may be the similar dish over all, with slight variations, add the Mandarin pronunciation to that Xia Men, if we want to confuse the issue further.

                                                Just think, all this is only within the Asian speakers...Add the Western speakers and eaters who have a completely different set of backgrounds and experiences and the best we can do is still clear as mud...

                                                By the way, you might have better luck with Warrior Monk tea if you look in the East Broadway part of Chinatown where the population is mostly from Fujian province. This again is a multi-tiered problem. Most of the places selling tea from Mainland China is accenting on the Tie Guan Yin, (Goddess of Mercy) or the Long Jing (Dragon Well). I wonder if you'll have better luck looking into the neighborhood for the everyday stash of the local people.

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                                            HLing Mar 30, 2007 10:11 AM

                                            Ah, it's probably just different names of the similar thing. When the chinese name involves "Bing3" 餅 as pabboy posted below, the English word pancake, or cake is used as a direct/literal translation, and then it gets confusing.
                                            It looks like some places have it round, like a scallion pancake (there it is again, pancake, but we've pretty much taken that for granted), and some places have them in a half moon shape.

                                            As for the doughnut shaped thing, are you talking about those that are studded with peanuts? Those would be the Fujianese pastries, and made with more cake-like dough, cake-donut-like dough.

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                                              pabboy Mar 30, 2007 10:55 AM

                                              The ones I'm talking about are more like small hockey pucks not pancake or half moon shape. They are about 1.5" thick and 3" diameter. Most dimsum places I've been to have had them.

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                                                AChantal Mar 30, 2007 11:54 AM

                                                I've been getting them at Grand Harmony for years. They are generally available after 10 AM from the take-out counter. They are the best I've found (except for Chinatown Brasserie where they are very expensive and only available at sit-down meals). They are stuffed with Chinese garlic chives, shrimp, pork fat and sometimes delicious crisp bits of water-chestnuts. They are a round puck-shape and fried-somewhat, although deliciously greasy. I was taught to call them giao chiow bao- pronouned (GUY-OH CHOW BAH-0W). The ever-so-reasonable price for them just went up to about $1.90 for three delicious pieces.

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                                                  jumpingmonk Mar 30, 2007 12:28 PM

                                                  thnaks for the tip on the tea I'll try it out next week. Xia mein is that peking meat sauce thing, right? Haven't had that since Hunan Balcony Eastside closed (the one over in the 70's.)

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                                                    HLing Mar 30, 2007 01:30 PM

                                                    Good luck with the tea.

                                                    Actually, I wrote Xia Men, which is 廈門, which is a city in Fujian. The city 廈門 is often written to be "AMOY" due to it's earlier translation by the Portuguese people who spelled it according to the local dialect (which sounds like "Ha Moon"). So, there you have it, the Mainland Chinese calls it Xia Men, but our Chinese American menu use Amoy, or Ha Moon...for the style of the simple pan fried vermicelli (or Mei Fun, or Mai Fun..etc) dish.

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                                                      jumpingmonk Mar 30, 2007 02:15 PM

                                                      Oops my mistake. As you might gather from my earlier posts, Chinese is hardly my strong point. (now if you want to know which brands of prepackaged rice beans have the lowest concentrations of extraneous matter I'm your guy.) I know a few drips and drops of Japanese but Chinese I'm hopeless at.

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                                                        jumpingmonk Apr 4, 2007 02:49 PM

                                                        Two more resturaunt's cakes to review Golden Unicorn's and Chatam square B (The one with the big curly "H" in the logo) I found Unicorns a bit bland (this mat be becuse they only had the steamed version today) but Chaham square B were all right (though not near as good as Harmony's last week)

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                                          koreankorean May 24, 2007 11:03 AM

                                          I finally finally braved the long walk and went to Grand Harmony.. It was a long walk.. especially it's so warm out today.. and.. they were out of the chive cakes!!

                                          The lady told me they are all sold out and that I should come at 10:30am.. .. .. ..

                                          Anyways, I got some other things - this yellow dumpling with chives - very very good, this "shark's fin" dumpling - not so great, and shrimp dumpling - very normal..

                                          I don't know how I will try to get there again, especially since the weather is only getting hotter. Are the chive dumplings there worth another trip? at 10:30am??

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                                            jumpingmonk May 25, 2007 05:29 AM

                                            wow! its been so long since anyone replied to this thread was all but treating it as dead. as to whether the harmony chive cakes are worth it thats a really subjective question I personally though they were the best of all the ones I tasted but it all depends on how far one is willing to go for the pleasure. You may also want to try Ping's (22 Mott) of all places the shrimp chive things arent tecnically cakes (theyre dumpling shaped) but they're not half bad if you do got to pings also try the deep fried spare ribs they're excellent. (WAY less greasy than X.O. kitchen's version)
                                            Since I last posted I've actually moved out of Chinatown for my weekly chowings (Its getting to be farmer's market season so I'm sorta tied to a circular route between Union Square and Dag plaza till around December.) I did finally make to to Chinatown Brassire (on lafayette) and tried thier shrimp cakes (not bad but proably not worth the six bucks an order costs.) Last Wendsday's dining involved visitng the two Chinese resturaunts that opened on 2nd since I last came (I reccomend Gourmet Land and suggest you avoid Fu's house.) hope something in here helps!

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