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jook (congee), okayu, porridge, gruel

grocerytrekker Jan 18, 2007 05:00 PM

Regional variations?
Best grains used?
Your preferences?
Is there a "best time" to eat them (breakfast, when you are sick)?

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  1. janethepain RE: grocerytrekker Jan 18, 2007 05:41 PM

    I love Chinese congee when it's nice and thick, with bits of whatever in it, in a salty-sweet way.

    Is "jook" an exclusively Korean word for it? I think it's been mentioned as a Chinese thing too, is that different from congee?

    Anyone ever have Korean jook made of pine nuts? I was forced to eat it as a kid, and I never liked it, but I never see it mentioned around here.

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      PseudoNerd RE: janethepain Jan 20, 2007 04:19 AM

      The jook made with pine nuts is called jatjook (jat = pine nuts, you see). My mother loves the stuff.

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        yumyumyogi RE: PseudoNerd Feb 1, 2007 09:08 AM

        Jatjook is like Korean chicken noodle soup. Comfort food when you're feeling funky.

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      BuggySer RE: grocerytrekker Jan 18, 2007 05:56 PM

      My Mom knew it as "jook" and she's Hakka Chinese (jamaican chinese). There's also dishes very similar to it in West Indian Indian cooking (I know that sounds confusing but there is a difference between Indian cooking and West Indian-Indian cooking)...There's something called Kitcheree that uses rice and lentils, then there's a dessert called sweet rice with condensed milk, milk and cinnamon (and rice obviously). I love those things so I used to eat them all the time (because family used to make them for me all the time!). Now I don't get it as frequently but usually gruel (cornmeal porridge from England), Oatmeal type things I think are for breakfast, I eat congee when I'm sick or have a hang over...it works wonders...and sweet rice, I make when I'm homesick...also custard (English style that they put over apple pie).

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        JGrey RE: BuggySer Jan 22, 2007 03:12 PM

        I have a cookbook with an Egyptian recipe called Kusherie involving rice and lentils. Tomato-based sauce, i believe. Like this:


      2. chowser RE: grocerytrekker Jan 18, 2007 06:24 PM

        I think jook is Cantonese. I like it with dried scallops, pork, thousand year old eggs, scallion--not sure what else my MIL uses but hers is the best. And, jook is different from po-veh (don't know how it's spelled) which is rice porridge made w/ hot water only.

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          KTinNYC RE: grocerytrekker Jan 18, 2007 06:53 PM

          Topping = cilantro, scallions, salted cabbge, and fried scallions.

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            cheryl_h RE: grocerytrekker Jan 18, 2007 06:54 PM

            I'm Chinese and every Chinese person I know calls it jook. I thought congee was the English translation. My father's favorite was made with fresh fish and salted cabbage which we kids didn't much like. I make it with chicken which I boil with the rice, then I strip the meat off the bone and put the meat back, add vegetables, pickles and some soy or sesame. I associate jook with being sick because my mother always believed it was more easily digested.

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              chococat RE: grocerytrekker Jan 18, 2007 07:15 PM

              The Cantonese call it jook. The Mandarin equivalent is pronounced more like dzo (rhymes with joe). Americans call it congee.

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                Das Ubergeek RE: chococat Jan 19, 2007 06:13 AM

                Pinyin is zhōu. Congee (kan ji) is Tamil I know it as juk, and my favourite is with lean pork, century eggs and lots of scallions.

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                Claudette RE: grocerytrekker Jan 18, 2007 08:32 PM

                I'm Cantonese and we call it jook. In China, jook is just leftover dinner, boiled with lots of water (at least, that's what it was for my peasant ancestors).

                My favorite way: bits of thousand-yr-old egg with bits of sweet red pickled ginger.

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                  thejulia RE: Claudette Jan 19, 2007 08:48 PM

                  Chinese language names are jook (which is a lot like dzo in pronounciation) and also xi fan.

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                    judge dee RE: thejulia Jan 19, 2007 10:46 PM

                    Xi fan is plain and is eaten for breakfast in Northern China. Xi fan is usually made with rice but can be millet, barley, or some other grain. It is often accompanied by peanuts, pickled vegetables, thousand year old eggs, or shredded pork.

                    Jook is Cantonese and is often eaten late at night. It is also offered at dim sum palaces. It is usually cooked in some broth and is never plain. Some common jook choices include pork liver and kidney, thousand year old eggs with pork strips, chicken, or raw fish which you can then place (cook) in the jook. The Mandarin pronunciation of the word is zhou.

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                      rcheng RE: thejulia Jan 20, 2007 12:43 PM

                      We speak Mandarin in my family and I've only heard of it referred to as xi fan in my family.

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                        Das Ubergeek RE: rcheng Jan 20, 2007 03:21 PM

                        Out of curiosity, then, if you were reading a menu and saw 稀飯, clearly you'd say "xi fan" -- but if it were listed as 粥, would you call it "zhou" or would you just interpret it as "xi fan"?

                        Just curious -- because Cantonese has a lot of inconvenient "glosses" like that that make learning that particular language damn near impossible for someone who didn't grow up speaking it.

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                          Gary Soup RE: Das Ubergeek Jan 20, 2007 03:37 PM

                          Xi fan and zhou are two different things. Xi fan (known as pao fan in Shanghai) is thinner, and has the grains of rice still intact. The usage might be different in Taiwan, though

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                            Das Ubergeek RE: Gary Soup Jan 20, 2007 04:04 PM

                            Ah, that clears up a lot -- had a discussion with someone once where I ordered zhou when she wanted xi fan, but she never articulated the difference.


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                              notmartha RE: Gary Soup Jan 21, 2007 09:12 PM

                              Pao fan for my shanghaiese parents literally mean pouring hot water over leftover rice. This mixture is not cooked again. So if Xi Fan is rice that's been cooked with lots of water I don't think it's the same thing.

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                                Phaedrus RE: notmartha Jan 21, 2007 09:28 PM

                                I think the Japanese do something similar with bonito broth or tea instead of water.

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                                  Gary Soup RE: notmartha Jan 22, 2007 12:53 AM

                                  My (Shanghainese) wife and inlaws all reboil pao fan, though not for a great length of time.

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                                    PseudoNerd RE: notmartha Jan 22, 2007 04:19 AM

                                    If you do that with the scorched rice stuck at the bottom of rice not cooked in a modern cooker-- that is, prepared in a pot or something similar over heat-- it's called nooroongji in Korean.

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                                      S U RE: PseudoNerd Jan 22, 2007 04:05 PM

                                      Also in some Chinese meals where clay pot rice is served (ie. chinese chartucerie meats w/ mushrooms, etc), diners often leave the "bottom of the pot" crust (similar to tadich) and ask for a quick boil of broth into the pot to make pao fan. Really great, because it catches all the flavors and drips from the rest of the clay pot ingredients.

                                      No one has mentioned arroz caldo... how does it compare with juk, pao fan, gruel, chao, etc...?

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                                        janethepain RE: PseudoNerd Jan 25, 2007 11:57 AM

                                        Haha, just the other day my mom cooked some nooroongji in some water and my parents ate it like it was the greatest thing on earth

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                            piccola RE: grocerytrekker Jan 19, 2007 12:53 AM

                            I'm no expert, but I love congee with gingko nuts.

                            1. mochi mochi RE: grocerytrekker Jan 19, 2007 04:37 AM

                              Fried won ton skins, cilantro, shoyu and green onions.

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                                Ellen RE: grocerytrekker Jan 19, 2007 03:51 PM

                                I usually make it with rice leftover from a Chinese meal. I use chicken stock and to with leftover bits of roast pork or duck, sliced scallions, chopped peanuts and a drizzle of soy sauce and toasted sesame oil.

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                                  Blueicus RE: grocerytrekker Jan 19, 2007 04:46 PM

                                  Lean pork and thousand year egg is my favourite.

                                  And it has to be thick for me with a starchy liquid suspending the rice... it's like risotto as you'd imagine but cooked much further. I'm not a fan of the more watery congees or the "chiu chow" style which is basically like rice in broth (is that actually how they have congee there, or is that a misunderstanding?).

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                                    lamster RE: Blueicus Feb 2, 2007 09:06 AM

                                    I am Chiu Chow and that's basically how they have their congee there. At home, we make it thicker than the traditional Chio Chow style (because some of us like it thick), and then my mom and my grandfather thin out their own portions to make it more brothy.

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                                    truliketrudat RE: grocerytrekker Jan 19, 2007 08:43 PM

                                    When I make chao (viet style) I like to top mine with shredded cabbage for a bit of a crunch. Otherwise I like my soup flavored with chicken, garlic, and plenty of fried shallots and fresh chopped scallions.

                                    1. notmartha RE: grocerytrekker Jan 19, 2007 10:31 PM

                                      If it's homemade I tend to use marinated ground pork or pork sung, and I have the short grain rice, not jasmine. Also add dry beancurd sheet to it.

                                      Eating out I alternate between the seafood, just fish slices, ground beef or laiwan (boat? style - squid and bunches of unidentifiable objects). Somehow I remembered the ground beef jook in HK many many years ago doesn't seem to be the same as the ones in US (must be mixed with some sort of starch and tons of MSG). I actually prefer the thinner texture one made with jasmine rice. They seem more fragrant and less like gruel.

                                      1. jillp RE: grocerytrekker Jan 19, 2007 11:56 PM

                                        A couple of weeks ago I had a really wretched stomach flu and the only thing that sounded remotely like something that I could keep down was congee. I ended up with plain rice, though, since I was afraid that if i asked my husband to make congee he'd go overboard and jazz it up. I just wanted plain comforting congee.

                                        1. PseudoNerd RE: grocerytrekker Jan 20, 2007 04:22 AM

                                          My favorite has to be dakjook (dak = chicken), and I normally have it when I'm sick. The chicken can be eaten separately, usually with spiced soy sauce. While that is completely savory, patjook (pat = red bean) and hobahkjook (hobahk = pumpkin, but actually kabocha) are good desserty types of jook.

                                          If you live in LA, there are two locations of a Korean restaurant called JookHyang, which specializes in various Korean jook.

                                          1. Phaedrus RE: grocerytrekker Jan 20, 2007 04:24 AM

                                            One of my favorite childhood memories was to go to Da Shen Gong, "Loud Voice man" in the Taipei night market and eat shi fan with stir fried Chinese watercress (hollow stem) and lots of little stir fried dishes and cold mixed tofu with thousand year old eggs. Not in thr congee but as side dishes.

                                            1. Gary Soup RE: grocerytrekker Jan 20, 2007 04:34 AM

                                              Shanghainese have a variation called "pao fan" (泡饭) which is usually not as thick as jook. Pickled vegetables are an obligatory topping, and beyond that you can put in whatever you like. My wife likes to add fermented tofu (the stuff from a jar) and pidan.

                                              1. soypower RE: grocerytrekker Jan 20, 2007 05:56 AM

                                                Everytime my mom can get her hands on a nice fresh abalone, she uses half of it for sashimi and half to make abalone juk. we top it with scallions and a dash of soy. :o)

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                                                  alag RE: grocerytrekker Jan 20, 2007 07:25 AM

                                                  My mom is Malaysian Chinese, and I grew up having porridge with a spoonful of Bovril mixed in and topped with pickled veggies.

                                                  When in Singapore, I love it with shredded chicken, century egg, and lots of ikan bilis (dried anchovies).

                                                  1. pinstripeprincess RE: grocerytrekker Jan 22, 2007 02:58 PM

                                                    reading this thread has gotten me on the worst comfort food craving in a while now.

                                                    congee... grandmother makes it best with pork bones stewed until their a fantastically soft tender meat that just needs to be poked off the bone with a spoon. toss in a few ginko nuts, boiled peanuts, a cilantro-scallion-ginger-parsley mixture and i'm quite happy. maybe a little soy... and tonnes of white pepper. and maybe thousand year egg....

                                                    plain is even ok, but to do it up on the quick i'll put in any tender meat although the dried pork floss stuff is the best as it just melts right into it all.

                                                    i'll eat it any time of the day, cold straight out of the fridge if i feel like it.

                                                    i've only really known it as jook, coming from a cantonese family. i've always been surprised how it's been translated into congee as the mainstream considering the high cantonese population in toronto.

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                                                      Gary Soup RE: pinstripeprincess Jan 22, 2007 03:15 PM

                                                      Maybe only "jook sings" use the word "congee" ;-)

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                                                        Teep RE: Gary Soup Feb 1, 2007 09:33 AM

                                                        I believe "congee" comes from kedgeree, a colonial English word coined from a Hindi word. According to wiki, the word is Khichdi - a dish or rice and lentils cooked together until mushy.

                                                    2. JungMann RE: grocerytrekker Feb 1, 2007 09:18 AM

                                                      Filipinos make congee with rice, shredded or diced chicken, garlic, ginger and a little onion. Season with a little fish sauce, top with scallions, a little crispy garlic and tons of lemon juice. It was one of my favorite soups when I was sick and I remember taking bowls of it to my grandfather whenever he was hospitalized. Like many things in the Philippines, the name is Spanish (arroz caldo) but the origin is pure Chinese. Another variation is "arroz caldo con goto," the same congee with tripe substituted for the chicken.

                                                      1. septocaine_queen RE: grocerytrekker Feb 1, 2007 11:29 AM

                                                        Forget the turkey sandwiches after Thanksgiving, you have to have turkey chao.

                                                        Take the turkey bones boil and skim the fat and bits for a couple hours. Get a cup of long grain rice (jasmine) saute dry until golden and add into broth and let simmer until all the rice has cooked and broken up. Add carmelized onions to flavor and nuoc mam to taste. The best ever. Thank you mom.

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                                                          soypower RE: septocaine_queen Feb 1, 2007 03:37 PM

                                                          that reminds me of the congee my laotion friend used to make very simply with bone in chicken pieces (chopped 1 inch), water and a touch of msg. she would top it off with fried garlic, slivered scallions and ground chili oil. yum.

                                                        2. smrits RE: grocerytrekker Feb 2, 2007 02:19 AM

                                                          I've been sick for the past few days and eaten nothing but what I had on hand - congee made with jasmine rice and canned chicken broth, pork sung, friend scallions and various pickled veggies. Nothing like really strong flavors to clear the sinuses.

                                                          1. LulusMom RE: grocerytrekker Feb 27, 2011 07:39 PM

                                                            After a few years of reading about congee, I finally tried it at a breakfast buffet (in New Zealand, of all places) where it was labeled congee. I promptly fell in love with it, and can't wait to get home and make it myself. they had a bunch of different condiments sitting around, I tried 2 helpings and my favorite was simple - a little green onion, a little soy sauce and a little sesame oil. I was worried that maybe I was doing it wrong, but I didn't care in the end because it was so delicious. Other options available (that I can remember): seaweed flakes, ginger and pickled vegetables. Wish I could remember more, but mostly I just keep thinking "must have congee, must have congee!"

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