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Chinon00 Jan 18, 2007 01:39 AM

1) Cheesesteak Pizza - That's Philly Cheesesteak meat as a topping.
2) Barbeque Chicken Pizza
3) Mexican Pizza - That's cold shredded iceburg lettuce, cold diced tomatoes, and taco meat as a topping.

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  1. Will Owen RE: Chinon00 Jan 18, 2007 01:46 AM

    Ham and pineapple is the one that makes my b**t draw up...gahhh.

    There's Mexican pizza and Mexican pizza, though - a nice cornmeal crust, olives, peppers, tomato and cheese and cooked chorizo makes a pretty decent dish. I *DO* agree about "barbecue" chicken (or "barbecue" anything, assuming that the name refers to the use of a sweet goopy fake-smoky sauce and some form of meat).

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      Heatherb RE: Chinon00 Jan 18, 2007 01:47 AM

      Y'know, I had an ex-boyfriend introduce me to pepperoni and pineapple. I kinda liked it. Which freaked me out.

      In Scotland they put corn and tuna fish on their pizza. That sent me screaming for the door.

      And they had frozen pizza put out by Heinz that came with baked beans on it. Very weird.

      1. HPLsauce RE: Chinon00 Jan 18, 2007 01:52 AM

        Fried eggs, [formerly] frozen peas and carrots. London, 1981 or so.

        1. revsharkie RE: Chinon00 Jan 18, 2007 01:57 AM

          Sundried tomatoes or artichoke hearts.
          Alfredo sauce.
          Chicken.
          Broccoli.
          Taco meat & lettuce.

          None of the above belongs on pizza, as far as I'm concerned.

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            orangewasabi RE: revsharkie Jan 18, 2007 05:03 PM

            artichokes are one of my fav pizza toppings.
            and I can go for sundried tomatoes periodically too.

            I don't really understand the whole fried egg on pizza thing you see in France. And personally, I hate pineapple on pizza

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              sundevilpeg RE: revsharkie Jan 21, 2007 07:05 AM

              No! Shrimp & artichoke 'za is excellent!!

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                flourgirl RE: revsharkie Jan 21, 2007 03:45 PM

                I'm with you on the alredo sauce, chicken, taco meat and lettuce.

                But a white pizza with broccoli and garlic is one of my all time favorites, and artichoke hearts are another one of my favorite toppings.

                Not sure about the sun dried tomatoes, but now I'm going to have to try it!

              2. Chowpatty RE: Chinon00 Jan 18, 2007 02:26 AM

                I don't know, they make some pretty good artichoke pizzas in Italy, so I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss them. Agree otherwise.
                I've been wondering about the various ethnic pizzas and may even do a tasting. In my neighborhood we have a Thai pizza place with chicken/chili/basil pizza and I recently saw a Chinese pizza place too. Wonder if any of them are any good.

                1. bigmackdaddy RE: Chinon00 Jan 18, 2007 02:31 AM

                  I used to put Wise bbq, and onion/garlic chips on mine. Dee-lish-uss.

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                    Glencora RE: bigmackdaddy Jan 18, 2007 03:11 AM

                    I love you. I'm not quite sure what you're talking about, but I like your attitude.

                    I think anything can go on a pizza. Sometimes I'm a purist, but sometimes I like to go crazy. Why not?

                  2. jenniebnyc RE: Chinon00 Jan 18, 2007 02:32 AM

                    HMMMMM.....About once a year I order a thin crust cheddar, ham and pineapple pizza (no sauce) from Dominos. It's yummy.

                    I also love Cali Pizza Kitchen's BBQ pizza.

                    I guess I don't think of these as pizza in the traditional italian sense. When I do think italian... it's a plain cheese pizza all the way.

                    Things that IMO don't belong on pizza would be
                    Jarred Mushrooms (always FRESH)
                    Anchovies
                    Olives

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                      TonyO RE: jenniebnyc Jan 18, 2007 02:37 AM

                      And the mushroom debate wages on ! One of the worst things, I think, is when fresh button mushrooms are put on a pizza and allowed to release all of the water making for a mess. I'll take canned anyday. Now for those at home, myself included, I prefer to saute some fresh shitakes in olive oil and garlic before putting on my pie but try asking 99% of pizza places to do that for you !

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                        jenniebnyc RE: TonyO Jan 18, 2007 02:42 AM

                        If the musrooms are sliced thin enough and the pizza oven is hot enough (that's a no brainer) you get "roasted" mushrooms on top of your pizza. Never experienced a watery pizza due to fresh mushrooms. That sounds pretty unappetizing.

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                          TonyO RE: jenniebnyc Jan 18, 2007 03:13 AM

                          You're right on about the temperature not being hot enough. This results in a soggy mess ! It seems like the "pizzarias" in Vermont have their ovens set at 350 degrees. Fogitaboutit ! There are a few exceptions but many have those useless conveyor belt ovens so they can turn out consistently awful pizza no matter how incompetent their employees are.

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                            a_and_w RE: jenniebnyc Jan 18, 2007 05:43 PM

                            Jennie's experience is my own, as well. Slice them thinly, make sure the oven is REALLY hot (which it should be for good pizza) and you will avoid the watery pizza problem.

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                          revsharkie RE: jenniebnyc Jan 18, 2007 02:41 AM

                          I'm with TonyO about the fresh m'rooms. I do like olives on my pizza, though. The black ones like at most pizza joints are okay, but we used to get a pizza out in Portland that had these big green garlicky Sicilian olives on it. Man, those were good.

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                          billh RE: Chinon00 Jan 18, 2007 02:33 AM

                          Well my sister-in-law out in CA loves "Peking Duck Pizza".......... BLECHHHHH!!!!!!!

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                            chowmeow RE: billh Jan 18, 2007 03:02 AM

                            2nd the bleeeeech! You beat me to posting on this horrid concept.

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                              rworange RE: billh Jan 18, 2007 05:37 PM

                              But have you tried it? I haven't ... yet ... but a few years ago someone on the SF board raved about the peking duck pizza that gets the duck from Chinatown and it has been on my list to try one of these days.

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                                chowmeow RE: rworange Jan 22, 2007 04:08 AM

                                I did try it. I was visiting my friends in Michigan, and we order take-out from a California Pizza Kitchen. It's been a while, so I don't remember exactly how it was. I do remember that it was too sweet because of the over liberal use of plum sauce, and that it had sheets of fried won ton skins on top. It did not improve on the pizza concept, or the peking duck concept. Is this a big thing in California? As a New Yorker, my whole being rebelled against this. Perhaps a non-chain store would make a better version...

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                                  rworange RE: chowmeow Jan 22, 2007 08:58 AM

                                  The version someone liked was at The Front Room, IIRC. I've never been a CPK fan for anything, but the duck at The Front Room remains on my 'to try' list.

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                                RShea78 RE: billh Jan 18, 2007 07:25 PM

                                Geez, the eyes can have it!

                                Phooey

                              3. jbyoga RE: Chinon00 Jan 18, 2007 03:03 AM

                                Pineapple - no place NEAR a pizza - for gods sake...

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                                  jenniebnyc RE: jbyoga Jan 18, 2007 03:20 AM

                                  that is what i thought until i tried it. it all began at a place called Blondies in Berkley CA in 1994

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                                    Glencora RE: jenniebnyc Jan 18, 2007 03:50 AM

                                    My high school boyfriend delivered Domino's pizza in Berkeley in 1983. They offered pineapple.

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                                      bryan RE: jenniebnyc Jan 18, 2007 04:23 AM

                                      It's been around a lot longer than that. I remember seeing it around 1978-79 here in Chicago.

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                                        jbyoga RE: jenniebnyc Jan 18, 2007 05:53 AM

                                        Been to Blondies after many a Dead show at the Greek...made sure to not eat the pineapple pizza then either!

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                                        rworange RE: jbyoga Jan 18, 2007 05:41 PM

                                        Yeah, I've never had that ham/pineapple combo that I liked. I think it is the fact that pineapple doesn't go with tomato sauce, IMO.

                                        This Pizza place in Berkeley just upped the ante:

                                        Paradise Pie – Fresh whole milk mozzarella, roasted ham, chopped pineapple, Parmigiano Reggiano, and a swirl of mango puree
                                        http://www.bobbygspizzeria.com/menu.html

                                        I don't know ... if that is mango puree instead of tomato sauce ... I don't know ... however, in addtion to tomato sauce ... who knows?

                                        They also have smoked oysters as a topping. Don't know about that either.

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                                          swsidejim RE: rworange Jan 18, 2007 05:46 PM

                                          many times a ham (or canadian bacon) & pineapple pizza has bbq sauce instead of tomato sauce.

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                                          a_and_w RE: jbyoga Jan 18, 2007 05:44 PM

                                          Why no pineapple? It tastes especially good with pepperoni. I'm actually also a fan of "Mexican" pizza, too, though my recipe calls for tortilla chips, refried beans, and sour cream as well.

                                          The one I don't get is pasta on top of pizza, like chowmeow mentions. Just don't get the point...

                                        3. chowmeow RE: Chinon00 Jan 18, 2007 03:05 AM

                                          In some NYC pizza places, you can find baked ziti pizza. Way to starch redundant for my taste. That's like having macaroni salad with ziti thrown in for good measure.

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                                            welle RE: chowmeow Jan 18, 2007 05:59 PM

                                            Agree on pasta pizza - too redundant, you never see pasta sandwich right?

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                                              Heatherb RE: welle Jan 18, 2007 06:05 PM

                                              Well, the Brits do like a "chip butty" which is a french fry sandwich...

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                                                Humbucker RE: welle Jan 18, 2007 07:11 PM

                                                In Japan they have spaghetti sandwiches. Also, in China, carb-on-carb items like fried crullers wrapped in pancakes are common. If a bacon wrapped steak can be delicious, why should't the same be true for starchier fare?

                                                Here's a picture:

                                                http://www.flickr.com/photos/92611480...

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                                                  welle RE: Humbucker Jan 18, 2007 07:18 PM

                                                  still look/sound gross to me, their mere existence isn't self-justifiable

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                                                    rworange RE: welle Jan 18, 2007 07:25 PM

                                                    I had a spaghetti sandwich and it was good. I'd get one again.
                                                    http://www.chowhound.com/topics/34284

                                                    Now the chop suey sandwich was a different thing ... bleh.

                                                    Ya win some, ya lose some ... but at least trying the odd stuff has always been interesting.

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                                                    Fanciesmom RE: Humbucker Jan 18, 2007 07:31 PM

                                                    Ewwwwwwwww! Ack! Gack! There was corn in there????? That's just barely worse than pineapple on pizza.

                                                    I can remember pizza at school with tuna on it. I can remember eating it - can't remember if I liked it or not :(

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                                                      chowmeow RE: Humbucker Jan 22, 2007 04:26 AM

                                                      I'm not against all carbs on carbs. I like a balance of textures and flavors in a meal. In a spaghetti sandwich, the spaghetti has quite a different texture from the bread, which is usually soft, white bread, and in addition, there is the flavor contrast because of the sauce. As for the crullers in pancakes, I believe that they are often eaten in accompaniament w/something else - perhaps sweet or savory soy bean milk. Also, there is a big textural contrast - crunchy vs. doughy, or flaky. The ziti on pizza that I tried had a slight textural contrast from the doughy (mediocre) crust, but was too bland. I like my pizza toppings to offer some sort of flavor contrast to the cheese, sauce and crust.

                                                    2. re: welle
                                                      aldadshsta RE: welle Jan 18, 2007 08:25 PM

                                                      As a child we used to make a spaghetti-o sandwich which was quite tasty at the time. Don't think I could do it now.

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                                                      flourgirl RE: chowmeow Jan 21, 2007 03:48 PM

                                                      Yep, a pizza parlor in my area regularly has tortellini pizza. It must sell, because they make it a lot.

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                                                        chowmeow RE: flourgirl Jan 22, 2007 04:14 AM

                                                        Yeah, I think the pasta on pizza is really popular. My friend sells it as his pizza joint, and he says that customers love it. Hey, you can't have too many carbs, right? It's just not for me. Corn and tuna on pizza, on the other hand, suits me fine. It's common in Japan, where I first had it, but I just read some where that the Scots like it too. If you can have anchovies, why not tuna?

                                                    4. Suzy Q RE: Chinon00 Jan 18, 2007 03:07 AM

                                                      I'm a huge fan of the BLT pizza at CPK. The chilled lettuce is a little off-putting to some, but man I love it!

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                                                        dinnerout RE: Suzy Q Jan 18, 2007 07:06 PM

                                                        I am with you 1000% on the BLT pizza at CPK - I LOVE it. I also love artichoke hearts and sundried tomatoes on pizza - maybe it is because I'm a native Californian, who knows?!? But the notion of pineapple on pizza has grossed me out for years!!

                                                      2. Vexorg RE: Chinon00 Jan 18, 2007 03:59 AM

                                                        I just plain don't l ike "Yuppie" pizza, but the one I tried that was probhably the least appetizing was a "Buffalo chicken" pizza with bits of buffalo chicken on top, and ranch dressing for the sauce. And I don't know why, but of all the weird things they put on pizzas in Japan, for some reason Mayonnaise is the one that I find most unsettling...

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                                                          bryan RE: Vexorg Jan 18, 2007 04:25 AM

                                                          I've had buffalo chicken pizza. But it was the buffalo sauce on the pie and blue cheese a dipping sauce. Was it good? Depended on how much you had to drink.

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                                                            Vexorg RE: bryan Jan 18, 2007 08:21 PM

                                                            If it was done that way, it probably would have been a lot more tolerable. For some reason, I just found the thought of cooking ranch dressing to be oddly repulsive...

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                                                            Leonardo RE: Vexorg Jan 18, 2007 06:02 AM

                                                            In Japan they put mayo (Kewpie brand!) on everything.

                                                            But creamed corn on pizza...only in Japan!

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                                                              soypower RE: Vexorg Jan 18, 2007 06:10 AM

                                                              speaking of japan, i was perusing a japanese cookbook today that had mini aburage pizzas. basically, those fried tofu skins filled with tomato sauce, cheese and mushrooms. weird.

                                                            2. J T RE: Chinon00 Jan 18, 2007 11:07 AM

                                                              Anchovies, rock shrimp, meatballs, and jalapenos are four toppings I never want to try on pizza again. No pizzas with barbecue or other sweet sauce either please.

                                                              Lettuce on a pizza? Never seen that before. Hope I never do.

                                                              Another bad idea, maybe bad due to poor execution, was stuffing the crust with cheese.

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                                                                valerie RE: J T Jan 18, 2007 05:14 PM

                                                                I love meatballs on pizza! Slice thin. Not ground beef, and not whole meatballs though.

                                                                One of my (and my family's) favorite combinations is meatball, onion and mushroom. Mmmm...

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                                                                  rworange RE: J T Jan 18, 2007 05:54 PM

                                                                  Picco in Larkspur, Ca makes a pizza with lettuce on top called a piadine so I'm assuming it has some Italian roots. Here's Melanie's picture:
                                                                  http://home.earthlink.net/~melaniewon...

                                                                  The concept of greens on top of a pizza sounds discusting, but the crust was fold-y and it was a little like eating a pita sandwich. I wouldn't go out of my way to try it again, but I wouldn't turn it down either. My report with links to other comments about it.
                                                                  http://www.chowhound.com/topics/show/...

                                                                  What is it you don't like about meatballs? I love meatballs unless they are those pre-fab types that are sliced thin and who can tell if they are meatballs.

                                                                  IMO, most bad toppings are at places that just serve bad pizza period. There's always that place out there that might know the right way to incorporate those ingrediants.

                                                                  As to anchovies ... ya either like them or not ... doesn't have anything to do with pizza. I'm in the pro-anchovy camp.

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                                                                    Glencora RE: rworange Jan 18, 2007 06:23 PM

                                                                    Do you like arugula on a pizza? I had one with bacon that was pretty good.

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                                                                      jfood RE: Glencora Jan 18, 2007 06:25 PM

                                                                      i do not think this qualifies as "part of" the pizza. I think some consultant told a high end pizzeria that they can save money by placingthe salad on top of the pizza and not have to pay for cleaning a separate salad plate.

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                                                                        rworange RE: jfood Jan 18, 2007 06:56 PM

                                                                        Goggling around it seems a California interpretation ... Picco once had a special picadine of thyme, caramelized onions, figs, goat cheese and frisee. Local hounds seemed to swoon over it.

                                                                        In Italy it does come closer to my impression ... like a pita. In Italy it is a flat bread cooked on a griddle and looks like this version at a gelato joint (scroll down ... do love that gelato that looks like the Jack in the Box head ... never realized Jack might be Italian. I guess that explains the ciabatta).
                                                                        http://www.ristorantecaesar.it/gelate...
                                                                        http://www.bagniadolfo.com/bar_samoa2...

                                                                        In that version it even had a sweet version with nutella.

                                                                        Actually the Brazilians have sweet pizza that I haven't tried yet.
                                                                        Brazilian Sweet Pizza – Cheese, white chocolate, raisins, peaches, plums and condensed milk

                                                                        Brazlians are also fond of odd toppings like corn, palm & ranch dressing. Yeah, ranch dressing on pizza didn't work for me, but I haven't tried this version yet

                                                                        Brazilian Combo – chicken, green olives, tomato, onion, palm, bacon with ranch sauce.

                                                                        As to arugula, I probably had it on one of the Berkeley Bowl pizzas. Wouldn't turn it down. Wouldn't go out of my way for it.

                                                                        The Brazilian pizza joint I mentioned ... the good one ... has some unique version and so far I've liked stuff I usually wouldn't like a BBQ pizza. They have two Mexican versions, one with carne asada. Haven't tried them yet though.
                                                                        http://www.chowhound.com/topics/331151

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                                                                          Vexorg RE: rworange Jan 18, 2007 08:27 PM

                                                                          Um... slightly off topic, but I'm not so sure I care to try the "Coppa viagra" on that Gelateria's menu...

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                                                                      MSK RE: rworange Jan 21, 2007 03:58 PM

                                                                      I agree,

                                                                      I honestly don't believe there is such a thing as bad pizza. There are bad restaurants, bad ingredients, not fresh toppings or even tastes that don't suit me. But in this arena, as in all areas of the culinary arts, I like to experiment and try new tastes, colors and textures. Why should we narrow our choices just in this one segment of our food culture because it's not "pure."

                                                                      I love Picco too!

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                                                                    CDouglas RE: Chinon00 Jan 18, 2007 02:39 PM

                                                                    Any fusion cuisine themed pizza is a step in the wrong direction. Tex-Mex? Pan-Asian? Not on my pizza please.

                                                                    What will they come up with next:
                                                                    Czech-Mex?
                                                                    Scot-Chilean?
                                                                    Thai-Polish?

                                                                    Gahhhh indeed!

                                                                    1. mrbunsrocks RE: Chinon00 Jan 18, 2007 02:58 PM

                                                                      I've had some different pizzas, but really they haven't all been bad!

                                                                      When I lived in France, I used to order one that had sliced cooked potatoes and persillade. It was odd....but also somehow addicting.

                                                                      I still think that pineapple on pizza is the worst thing I've heard of, yet one of my favourite pizzas has chicken, mango, pesto and roasted red peppers.

                                                                      1. macca RE: Chinon00 Jan 18, 2007 05:35 PM

                                                                        I agree on the BBQ chicken pizza. Never tried it, it really sounds awful to me. I love BBQ, I love chicken and I love pizza, but please, not all together.

                                                                        1. wyf4lyf RE: Chinon00 Jan 18, 2007 05:38 PM

                                                                          I have to disagree about the BBQ chicken. I had one with BBQ chicken, red onion and smoked gouda that was fabulous. But then again, I'm one of the weirdos that actually likes pineapple on pizza. One of my favorite combos is pineapple, fresh garlic and jalapeno. Sweet, tangy and hot all combined. YUM.

                                                                          Sorry if I grossed any of you out....

                                                                          1. puppymomma RE: Chinon00 Jan 18, 2007 05:53 PM

                                                                            One thing that I can't handle is jarred or canned mushrooms. And the worst thing about the mushrooms is that you might assume that you're going to get fresh, and then they bring out some gross, rubbery canned ones. They should have to specify. Oh, and with pickled peppers too. If it's not fresh vegetables, it should have to specify.

                                                                            I never want to see anchovies on my pizza either.

                                                                            Oh, and I could do without Hawaian pizza (ham and pineapple).

                                                                            1. Das Ubergeek RE: Chinon00 Jan 18, 2007 06:03 PM

                                                                              I'll eat all your taco pizza -- I love it. Ground beef under the cheese (which is jack, cheddar and mozzarella), then topped with shredded lettuce, chopped tomatoes, chopped black olives out of the can and crunched-up taco chips, with packets of taco sauce. Drool... I miss that stuff!

                                                                              Also there's the Minnesota special -- ham, pineapple and sauerkraut on flat crust pizza, cut into squares. Also excellent.

                                                                              What I hate is weird sauces on pizza -- either make it tomato sauce, or make it garlic oil, but those are the ONLY two options. Peanut sauce, BBQ sauce, these do not belong on pizza.

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                                                                                Melanie RE: Das Ubergeek Jan 18, 2007 06:59 PM

                                                                                oh man, I guess you've never had a good pesto pizza - to die for

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                                                                                  Das Ubergeek RE: Melanie Jan 18, 2007 07:01 PM

                                                                                  I have this problem that I don't like warm pesto -- it just tastes extra-oily to me when it's warm... so having it on pizza isn't something I'd consider.

                                                                                  Definitely no weird cream sauces on pizza, either.

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                                                                                    Melanie RE: Das Ubergeek Jan 18, 2007 07:09 PM

                                                                                    like I said...I guess you've never had a GOOD pesto pizza : ) Haha, no I hear what you're saying. I've never felt that way. Then again, when the oily cheese is covering up the pesto, I can just pretend that the oil is ONLY from the cheese.

                                                                                    However, another question comes up, Das: If you don't eat warm pesto, what are you eating when you eat pesto (isn't it typically served with warm items)?

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                                                                                      Das Ubergeek RE: Melanie Jan 18, 2007 09:15 PM

                                                                                      I eat it with things where I don't care if it's oily -- like pasta, and then I pretend it's aglio e olio. I eat it on cold poached salmon -- so tasty. I don't eat a lot of pesto.

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                                                                                  revsharkie RE: Das Ubergeek Jan 21, 2007 11:55 PM

                                                                                  What's up with sauerkraut in the upper midwest? I like sauerkraut, but who decided it would be good on pizza? Even Pizza Huts around here have it on their list of toppings.

                                                                                  Mike's favorite is ham & pineapple. He actually wants me to put pineapple on all pizza but I just won't do it. I don't mind it, but not on everything.

                                                                                  The other thing I don't care for on pizza is fresh tomato, sliced or chopped. That's not necessarily because I don't like the taste, but because they always fall off. The first time I ate a pizza with tomatoes it was my first meal with my first husband's parents. A tomato piece fell off my slice of pizza and down the front of my shirt, leaving a stain. (Should have recognized it as a bad omen and run screaming away.)

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                                                                                    Das Ubergeek RE: revsharkie Jan 22, 2007 03:27 AM

                                                                                    I don't know who started it, but I'm glad they did -- so tasty!

                                                                                    I only like fresh tomatoes on white pizza, for the same reason -- either you get the chopped tomatoes and they lose all structural integrity in the oven, or you get the slices and they peel off the pizza, either ending in disaster, or a first bit of pizza that is a bit of crust, a bit of cheese, and a whole slice of tomato as you attempt to bite through the space-age skin that protects tomatoes.

                                                                                3. jfood RE: Chinon00 Jan 18, 2007 06:06 PM

                                                                                  OK, I will post the old-fashioned traditional approach and let my brethren out west take pot shots at it. There is pizza and there is great combos served on a pizza dough, subtle difference.

                                                                                  Pizza may include some of the following toppings (in addition to cheese and sauce):

                                                                                  pepperoni
                                                                                  peppers
                                                                                  sausage
                                                                                  meatball
                                                                                  onion
                                                                                  mushroom
                                                                                  breaded eggplant
                                                                                  onion
                                                                                  bacon

                                                                                  Living in CT I now have to add:

                                                                                  swap the sauce for clams

                                                                                  The west-coaster aided by the growth of CPK have added numerous other toppings. I classify these as pizza-typ versus pizza.

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                                                                                    rworange RE: jfood Jan 18, 2007 07:05 PM

                                                                                    Bacon ... breaded eggplant ... you wild child ... hardly traditional ... where's the anchovies?

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                                                                                      jfood RE: rworange Jan 19, 2007 01:48 AM

                                                                                      RW, yup us NJ'ers can definitely ride on the wild side and Party-hearty. I was going to respond that I was excited whe i learned that one of the pizza places we go to has low cholesterol cheese, OMG I said it.

                                                                                      The first bacon pizza I ate was Sally's in New Haven and we all know this is a Top 5 in America pizza place.

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                                                                                    Humbucker RE: Chinon00 Jan 18, 2007 07:14 PM

                                                                                    I have to say that most of these pizzas you say are abominable sound great to me. But then again, cracker thin crusts are what I consider an unfortunate pizza idea.

                                                                                    1. billjriv RE: Chinon00 Jan 18, 2007 07:34 PM

                                                                                      The only unfortunate pizza topping is the stuff it picks up if it falls on the floor by accident,not so unfortunate for the dog though.

                                                                                      1. litchick RE: Chinon00 Jan 18, 2007 07:41 PM

                                                                                        I actually like nearly everything that's tasty in daily life dressed up and stuck on a pizza crust. Bring it on. I even make pizzas from the leftover Indian food we cook at home (aloo chili tandoor pizza, anyone?).

                                                                                        That said, the worst pizza idea I was ever subjected to was a very respectable roasted veggie cheeseless pizza, topped with a giant romaine salad. Yeah, not just some few nice greens (like arugula or something, which I do like) but a Very Large Salad. ON the pizza (put there after the pizza had come out of the oven), and had this really wierd sweet dressing. Poor pizza. Now when I go to that particular joint, I make sure to order my pizza with the lettuce on the side, naked, and I end up with a side salad for kinda free. Wierd though, right?

                                                                                        1. amopdx RE: Chinon00 Jan 18, 2007 08:08 PM

                                                                                          I like most pizza toppings.

                                                                                          I have had nuts on my pizza before and don't like them & also don't like potatoes on my pizza. other than that it depends what mood i'm in.

                                                                                          There are some pretty non traditional ingredients at some of the places I like get my pizza at..a place called Hot Lips is my fav :)

                                                                                          i like hawaiian pizzas (c.b. and pineapple) sometimes. Garlic Jims makes a hawaiian with canadian bacon, pineapple, coconut and almond slivers, i've never tried it (don't think i will), sound interesting.

                                                                                          1. RShea78 RE: Chinon00 Jan 18, 2007 08:30 PM

                                                                                            Crust turnoffs!

                                                                                            Bisquick or biscuit crust pizza.
                                                                                            Thin - dry cracker "flavored" crust pizza.
                                                                                            Crunchy or hard crust pizza
                                                                                            Doughy pizza (ones with a gum-line)
                                                                                            Crusts made with honey.

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                                                                                            Sauce or ingredients turnoffs!

                                                                                            Spicy pepper sauce
                                                                                            Hot or spicy peppers
                                                                                            Fruits or veggies of any kind
                                                                                            Anchovies
                                                                                            Greasy meat toppings
                                                                                            Mushrooms (keep the fungi off the pizza please)
                                                                                            Olives
                                                                                            Most types of Pepperoni
                                                                                            Now if some damn chicken finds its way in someplace there will be hell to pay!

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                                                                                            Cheese turnoffs

                                                                                            No stinky smelling cheese blends!

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                                                                                            What I consider a good pizza.

                                                                                            I like a medium to extra thick white bread style crust. The sauce should be thick lightly ital seasoned or season the top. Garlic powder in the sauce is preferred than in the topping. If I make my own fresh crust pizza I will generally try to add anything dry to the bottom to prevent that dreaded gum line. Mix sauce in meat helps considerably. Here is where parmesan cheese can help at but I refrain from overdoing it. Its the salt load with everything added.

                                                                                            I like a well drained sausage meat topping. Kind of a lightly salty-sweet whole hog sausage. Parnell comes into mind.

                                                                                            A real dynamite sausage topping that I like is a blend is a 50/50 yellow label Purnell (smoked sausage) and their mild sausage. Yummy!

                                                                                            Real mozzarella a must.

                                                                                            Fine diced green pepper and onion is ok if not over doing it.

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                                                                                            Nastiest pizza I heard of was like, pineapple-pigs feet pizza. <shudders in terror>

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                                                                                              jackrugby RE: Chinon00 Jan 18, 2007 08:36 PM

                                                                                              Here in Dayton, Ohio we have a local pizza chain called Cassano's, years ago they advertised a peanut pizza! Never had one so I can't tell you if it was made with pizza sauce and cheese or some other ingredients. I'm usually eager to try new things, but could never imagine why anyone would want to put peanuts on a pizza.

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                                                                                                Panini Guy RE: Chinon00 Jan 18, 2007 09:21 PM

                                                                                                I remember being in Santa Barbara in the late 80s, first time I'd seen pineapple and ham offered on a pizza. I asked the PBTC if they sold a lot of those. He said it was their most popular. I asked if they ever did eggplant as a topping. He said, "Ewww, gross."

                                                                                                Go figure.

                                                                                                The first meal I had in Sofia, Bulgaria was a pizza with corn, pickles and ham. It actually wasn't bad. The crust was superb. Also had one with brains while there. Again, pretty danged good.

                                                                                                But "salad pizzas" and buffalo chicken with ranch sauce... not so much.

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                                                                                                  piccola RE: Chinon00 Jan 19, 2007 12:51 AM

                                                                                                  I can't say if this is any good since I never tried it, but in London I'd always see tandoori chicken pizza.

                                                                                                  Personally, I find the overloaded "meat lovers" and "triple cheese" pizzas gross. Even worse when they have stuffed crusts.

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                                                                                                    Das Ubergeek RE: piccola Jan 19, 2007 01:12 AM

                                                                                                    Or how about that layered pizza thing which was a giant slippy pile of grease? You know, a layer of bad crust, with some cheese, then a layer of artificial EVOO-flavoured grease, then more bad crust, then sub-standard toppings, then more bad cheese and EVOO-flavoured grease?

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                                                                                                      piccola RE: Das Ubergeek Jan 21, 2007 12:27 PM

                                                                                                      What's worse is if you dip it in the "dipping sauce" that comes with. I mean, why would pizza need an effin' dipping sauce??

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                                                                                                        Das Ubergeek RE: piccola Jan 21, 2007 10:51 PM

                                                                                                        Wow, I must have blocked the dipping sauce to preserve my sanity -- that sounds disgusting.

                                                                                                        I am happy to report that I see fewer incidences of people dipping pizza crust in ranch dressing (what IS it with ranch dressing in California? it's like the Official State Obsession or something)... that could be either because people are doing it less, or because I'm eating with fewer native Californians.

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                                                                                                          Fanciesmom RE: Das Ubergeek Jan 22, 2007 05:25 PM

                                                                                                          I cannot abide "ranch" on anything, let alone on pizza. It's just plain nasty - especially when advertized as something "else" (bleu cheese???).

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                                                                                                            coll RE: Das Ubergeek Feb 18, 2007 11:15 PM

                                                                                                            I love to dip my crust in red wine!

                                                                                                    2. billjriv RE: Chinon00 Jan 19, 2007 01:17 AM

                                                                                                      Actually I think Pizza Hutts pizza is all unfortunate and while im complaining Godfathers too.Salt and grease toppings are unfortunate.

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                                                                                                        RShea78 RE: billjriv Jan 19, 2007 03:40 AM

                                                                                                        I have to say that if they would render down the meat a bit better they both would have my business. But I think their take is the fact their meat would loose the bulk and then customers would complain- "where's the meat!".

                                                                                                        The salt issue is tied to every thing put on a pizza. One local heavy menu restaurant made a real good pork pizza if I had them take 2 grilled pork tenderloins and dice them up instead of using their over salted sausage.

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                                                                                                      2. billjriv RE: Chinon00 Jan 19, 2007 04:19 AM

                                                                                                        I think the idea of using white flour crust is unfortunate too.A whole wheat pizza crust,with different grains and seeds would be good I think.Some crust variety at pizza restaurants.

                                                                                                        1. sundevilpeg RE: Chinon00 Jan 21, 2007 07:15 AM

                                                                                                          I really, really like potato and rosemary pizza. If you want to throw some pancetta on, too, I won't squawk. Yum!

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                                                                                                            bijoux16 RE: Chinon00 Jan 21, 2007 02:01 PM

                                                                                                            I went to Pizza Hut in Seoul, Korea a year ago and they had Kimchi pizza and Bulgogi pizza. unfortunate indeed... I can't really think of any kind of sauce that would complement kimchi or bulgogi on a pizza.

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                                                                                                              Das Ubergeek RE: bijoux16 Jan 21, 2007 10:52 PM

                                                                                                              Mexican salsa -- there's a place near UCLA that we stop after a night of drinking for kimchi burritos, which have bulgogi, kimchi, Spanish rice and salsa in them.

                                                                                                            2. Ed Dibble RE: Chinon00 Jan 21, 2007 03:38 PM

                                                                                                              This topic reminds me of when I moved to Columbus OH from the West Coast in the 70s. In those days, all the pizza outfits in the city offered the same limited choices: anchovies, pepperoni, onion, mango (local name for green bell peppers), mushroom, sausage, and maybe black olive slices.

                                                                                                              Whenever I wanted to gross locals out, I would just tell them what you could get on a pizza in the west: pineapple, ham, fresh sliced tomatoes, hamburger, canadian bacon, artichoke hearts etc. People couldn't believe it; they were sure I was making it up - I might as well have been describing the pizza on Mars.

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                                                                                                                jackrugby RE: Ed Dibble Jan 22, 2007 05:36 PM

                                                                                                                I think you are describing pizza on Mars.

                                                                                                                Dayton, Ohio

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                                                                                                                  amopdx RE: jackrugby Jan 22, 2007 06:20 PM

                                                                                                                  not really- he didn't mention anything that weird, check out these menus, these are popular pizza rest. here (in pdx, or)

                                                                                                                  http://www.hotlipspizza.com/pizza/ind...
                                                                                                                  http://www.pizzicatopizza.com/home/as...

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                                                                                                                HillJ RE: Chinon00 Jan 21, 2007 11:08 PM

                                                                                                                Nothing says awful like a greasy pizza
                                                                                                                Okay, a handful of thinly sliced pepperoni but those oil slicks full of four kinds of meat and cheese and sauce...just say belly bomb to me.

                                                                                                                1. Chuckles the Clone RE: Chinon00 Feb 18, 2007 06:57 PM

                                                                                                                  Wow. Just about everything in this entire topic sounds absolutely delicious. Creamed
                                                                                                                  corn in particular; I hope I have the chace to try *that* someday!

                                                                                                                  The closest I've come to an "unfortunate" topping was a bunch of years ago
                                                                                                                  in Geneva, Switzerland. I ordered a pizza with a fried egg on top, which I love.
                                                                                                                  The waiter asked me if I wanted the one-egg or the two-egger. I hadn't seen the
                                                                                                                  two-egger on the menu so he pointed it out. It was named the "Sophia Loren".

                                                                                                                  1. ElsieDee RE: Chinon00 Feb 18, 2007 09:34 PM

                                                                                                                    In my college days, a local watering hole had a pizza that was thick crust, with a layer of mashed potatoes - topped with bacon, sauteed onions, and cheddar cheese. Then sliced green onions and ranch dipping sauce. I actually remember liking it at the time (must have been the beer) - now the thought makes me shudder.

                                                                                                                    I pretty much like all pizza/pizzaish things - but I'm not a fan of the very thin crusts. As for ham/pineapple pizzas - I like them if the usual tomato sauce is replaced with a light brushing of olive oil (don't care for tomato/pineapple together).

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