361094 Wed Jan 17 06:00:26 -0800 2007 23 27 General Chowhounding Topics 0 2196854 Tropicana reformulated their healthy heart juice adding fish oil and fish gelatin. It is in stores nation-wide this week. I don't like juice with stuff in it. I find the oj with calcium to taste chalky. Anyone tried Healthy Heart yet and what does it taste like? Whether or not this is a good way to get my omega-3 isn't what I'm interested in ... baby steps ... I just want to know how it tastes and then I can decide based on that whether it is worth it for me to give a try. If it tastes fishy ... not going to try it. http://www.tropicana.com/TRP_ProductInformation/Detail.cfm?ProductID=55 Wed Jan 17 06:00:26 -0800 2007 10264 rworange 1 2197002 i haven't tried it, but all i can say is, "ack". omega 3 is easy enough to get. i dislike fiddled with foods of this sort. Wed Jan 17 07:58:13 -0800 2007 2196854 30273 hotoynoodle 2 2197184 How do you get Omega 3 so easily? Wed Jan 17 14:02:29 -0800 2007 2197002 42572 Eat_Nopal 3 2197369 2 tablespoons of flaxseed, a handful of walnuts or 6 oz. of salmon all have more than the daily requirement. oily fish, nut and seed oils, brussel sprouts, beans, soybeans and tofu all have generous amounts. eat a varied diet and it's not hard. eating the whole food source of vitamins and minerals is the way to go. obviously the juice won't taste fishy, but it won't be as healthy as a piece of broiled salmon. sorry for the digression, but i hate these sorts of "foods". Wed Jan 17 15:08:38 -0800 2007 2197184 30273 hotoynoodle 4 2197436 I am a whole foods type of guy. But my wife who is an expert, assures me that vegetable sources of Omega 3 have low bio availability. So if you think you need 2 tablespoons of flaxseeds, you really 10 tablespoons etc.,. Oddly enough, there are some nutrients that are best unlocked by some processing... these include heart healthy antioxidants in grapes as well as omega-3s. Eating vegetables, nuts & seeds won't cut it. Having the oils will. In her research, traditional societies that don't have animal sources of Omega 3, and depend on vegetarian sources typically consume 10 to 15 servings of whole foods per day (vegetables, fruits, legumes & nuts). That is what we strive for. But the reality of contemporary, urban lifestyles and American tastes means most people don't get 10 to 15 servings of whole foods in a WEEK. (Literally the average American has 1 fruit and/or vegetable per day... basically if you add up the tomatoes in the hamburger etc., it comes up to 1 fruit and/or vegetable per day). Further, you have another problem with the high levels of contamination in seafood. It is very, very scary. Yes the broiled salmon may seem healthy in theory, but once you look at the mercury & pcb profiles and you are trying to manage the toxic buildup in your body... you may want to rethink how healthy it really is. That doesn't mean I don't eat Salmon... but we are very deliberate in how much & what kind of fish we ate, while balancing it with risk management... not eating too much of any one kind of fish... because you never know when the FDA is going to say... we just started tracking X chemical in food and have found it in high levels in Sardines which we previously believed to be immune to any bad chemicals...sorry. Wed Jan 17 15:26:56 -0800 2007 2197369 42572 Eat_Nopal 5 2197562 http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=george&dbid=75 is a link to a site that shows bio-availability of omega-3s in foods. 2 tablespoons of flax seeds provide 154% of your requirement on a 2000 calorie per day diet. not to be a food nazi here, but i AM an urban american. yeah, i know most have terrible diets and the most commonly consumed vegetable is potato in the form of french fries, with likely tomato as salsa running a close 2nd. but we live in the land of plenty and just because people are lazy doesn't mean they don't have options. i bet it takes me the same amount of time to prepare a bowl of fresh fruit, yogurt and cereal as it does somebody else to unwrap his happy meal. if people actually THOUGHT about what they ate as opposed to thoughtlessly eating they'd be much healthier. Wed Jan 17 15:57:15 -0800 2007 2197436 30273 hotoynoodle 6 2197797 Whack! You got me. Thats why the wife is the Nutritional Scientist not me! I just asked her about... its not that Flaxseed Omega 3's aren't bio-available or good for you... they simply have a different chemical structure than Omega 3's from fish. DHA is the particular type of Omega 3 found in fish & other sources that is good for brain development etc., Flaxseeds are not a good source of DHA. "Docosahexaenoic acid - a 22-carbon fatty acid with 6 double bonds in its chain. It is found in large concentrations in cold-water fish and marine animals, and also in retina, brain, adrenals, and testes. It can be manufactured in healthy human tissue from the essential alpha-linolenic acid (18:3w3)." http://www.findhealer.com/glossary/acronym.php3 Wed Jan 17 16:59:18 -0800 2007 2197562 42572 Eat_Nopal 7 2197893 just further evidence as to the benefits of a varied diet. Wed Jan 17 17:19:43 -0800 2007 2197797 30273 hotoynoodle 1 2197194 RW, there is a company in Watsonville owned by a Norwegian guy called Nordic Naturals that produces super premium fish oil products capscules, liquid etc., sourced from small fish in the Norwegian artic. Even the fish oil is fairly flavorless... due to the freshness & processing. If you find the juice to be fishy, then Nordic should try to sell in to Tropicana... I will let the guy know. Wed Jan 17 14:05:24 -0800 2007 2196854 42572 Eat_Nopal 1 2197388 what's up with the trend of adding omega3 to everything? was there some big announcement that I missed? (yeah, I got taht Omega 3 is important, I take the capsules) Wed Jan 17 15:14:48 -0800 2007 2196854 45908 orangewasabi 2 2197456 Well, I think there is enough people like me that don't take any capsules of any kind... that appreciate when Omega 3 in eggs & other things can be "naturally" raised. Wed Jan 17 15:30:48 -0800 2007 2197388 42572 Eat_Nopal 1 2197396 I happen to think there's a place for "functional foods," as they're called. With the health crises caused by heart disease, diabetes, and other diseases which are often linked to diet and/or lack of certain vitamins and minerals, adding these ingredients to foods that people buy VOLUNTARILY is a good thing. Think of how many people cannot afford to buy fish oil capsules, but, with proper education, just might pay the little extra to get it in their daily intake of orange juice. Wed Jan 17 15:15:55 -0800 2007 2196854 48352 FlavoursGal 2 2197573 the diseases that you mentioned are primarily caused by TERRIBLE EATING HABITS. the childhood obesity epidemic is not going to be solved by orange juice. Wed Jan 17 15:59:27 -0800 2007 2197396 30273 hotoynoodle 3 2197695 Note that I wrote, "...with proper education,..." Education is key here. And, yes, it has to start in infancy - educating the children and re-educating the parents. People who are devoid of any nutritional sense will NOT purchase these products. They will continue to buy the sugar-laden juice-like beverages that they always buy. Any of you reading this in Toronto might be interested in a fairly new enterprise called Real Food for Real Kids ( www.rfrk.com ), run by a wonderful woman by the name of Lulu Cohen-Farnell. She has founded a catering company that supplies healthy lunches and snacks to many Toronto daycares and schools, in addition to providing education on the merits of healthy eating. Wed Jan 17 16:30:15 -0800 2007 2197573 48352 FlavoursGal 4 2197740 They do my daughter's daycare catering! I am very impressed from what I hear. They are even having an evening event so parents can ask questions and sample the food. Wed Jan 17 16:44:19 -0800 2007 2197695 12120 julesrules 5 2197785 You must attend and meet Lulu. She is a French-born dynamo, full of enthusiasm and so passionate about what she is doing. This burgeoning business that she and her husband are now running started out when she refused to allow her young son to eat the junk at his daycare, and sent her own healthy, organic treats and lunches. The daycare staff took notice of her son's food and asked her to cater for them. This was about two years ago, and RFRK is now providing food for about 2000 youngsters daily. Wed Jan 17 16:55:15 -0800 2007 2197740 48352 FlavoursGal 1 2197559 Ah, come on guys. Don't make me go out and buy this stuff just to try it ... anyone chugged some down? Now this is a product where Tropicana realy needs to give out samples if it tastes any good to get over the ick factor of the idea of anchovy OJ. Wed Jan 17 15:56:53 -0800 2007 2196854 10264 rworange 2 2198563 They had a story about Omega 3 being added to foods on ABC News the other night and this product was featured. They had some people taste it and they said it just tasted like regular OJ, no fishiness. Besides, the folks at Tropicana would have to be idiots to think that people would buy a blatantly fishy tasting fruit juice, although I, for one, would buy a ceviche-flavored beverage in a second. Wed Jan 17 19:34:04 -0800 2007 2197559 10832 Humbucker 1 2197593 Sorry, it won't be me, I don't drink oj, far too much sugar in it and I can't stand salmon so I take my capsule. I have flax seed on hand but have it when I am having some yogurt and that is not every day. Wed Jan 17 16:05:14 -0800 2007 2196854 10285 Candy 1 2197611 Haven't tried it, but why bother? The consensus is that there is so little Omega3 in the juice that whether it won't do you any good, so why bother drinking it at all? Plus, today scientists are saying take your Omega3s yet there is already evidence that too much Omegas 3/6/9 can lead to, among other things, prostate cancer. Eat a varied, non-genetically-modified, whole food diet and let Mother Nature take care of it. ANd to Nopal, you think that fish contamination is scary? Well, if farmed tilapia is found in this OJ, that is a terrible beast. Wed Jan 17 16:10:09 -0800 2007 2196854 20522 gourmanda 1 2197641 YES, I have actually tried it-it tastes like orange juice. Like Tropicana OJ, which is so much better than the frozen junk I grew up with. I think that's what your question was, not everyone's opinion on "superfoods". I don't think Tropicana is trying to solve the child obesity problem, but to capitalize on Omega 3 awareness. I don't, however, think that OJ with calcium tastes chalky, so my palate may not be as suggestible as yours. Wed Jan 17 16:18:01 -0800 2007 2196854 54491 SusanSDG 2 2197851 Sigh ... thank you. For me it is just another option. I don't buy OJ that often, but occasionally there are sales, I have a coupon ... why not. Also, I make jello using OJ rather than the junk in the boxes so if faced with a zillion choices of Tropicana I might decide on this. Just didn't want to waste the money for an off-tasting product. It's not bargain if you have to toss the stuff. Yeah, I tuned out somewhere in all of this but I don't have a prostrate, so not a worry there. Like I said, I didn't want to consider the benefits ... or not ... until I had an idea of taste. If it had an off flavor then no need to worry about the rest. However, from what I've skimmed, good info for people considering this or other added fish oil type products. Wed Jan 17 17:12:23 -0800 2007 2197641 10264 rworange 1 2197838 I think Tropicana is trying to sell more of their OJ and this is another marketing reason to buy theirs over another brand. "It's healthier for you! It's good for your heart!" Candy has another one of her good points as usual - OJ is a glass of sugar. Parents think they are encouraging healthy eating habits by substituting juice for sodas but it has just as many calories and as much sugar. How many kids drink a 6 ounce glass of juice? Kids are inseparable from juice boxes from the time they can hold onto them. Then we wonder why there's so much childhood obesity and early onset diabetes? Wed Jan 17 17:09:36 -0800 2007 2196854 32444 MakingSense 2 2203349 Orange juice is really the exception to the rule about juices being no different than soda. Apple juice, etc, is very refined and goes straight into the blood stream as sugar, but OJ, especially not from concentrate, and other minimally processed juices with very high antioxidant content, are a legitimate nutrient source for kids, especially those who don't consume a lot of veggies and/or live, as we do, in the great white north where there is a dearth of colorful foods in the winter. I don't credit Tropicana with any selfless action here, but new varieties mean a lot of coupons out there that enable parents to buy their product, which is normally much more expensive than the nutritionally inferior fake juice drinks and apple juice sweetened stuff. Childhood obesity and diabetes are affected by crap food, certainly, but much more impacted by TV, video games and the general inactivity(motorized cars for little people!) that this generation has mastered. Thu Jan 18 21:04:01 -0800 2007 2197838 54491 SusanSDG