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Jan 4, 2007 04:27 AM

Top Chef 2: the fall of *****! [spoilers inside]

[We've edited the spoiler out of this post title- THE CHOWHOUND TEAM]

After anxiously waiting for this week's episode, I was really pleased to see Betty go packing. Her dishes were poorly executed and frankly I was tired of the comfort food schtick. What's with all the trios?

Michael winning both quickfire and elimination challenges. Not by any means do I want him to win it all, but its nice to see him do well.

Sam and Ilan's true colors coming out. If you don't like someone, fine, but first and foremost be professionals. Marcel may be immature (and way too obsessed with foams), but I haven't sneen him completely blow up the way others have. There was no need to basically start brawling with him out in public, the continual slams at his sexual "experience" or lack thereof was beyond the pale. Does anyone else think the producers probably coached the Debbie Mazar crowd on this? Her comments were nearly identical to Ilan's.

Also, am starting to resent both Sam selfrightousness and Ilan's overconfidence. Multiple contestants have abused the "this is about taking risks" play at the judges table-with someone who professes so much experience, I expected more from Ilan.
I agree with Marcel that he's down a few notches in respect.

Anyone else want to chime in?

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  1. Wish you had not posted the finish in your title -- I had Tivoed the show and you spoiled it for me.

    That said, Sam and Cliff still appear to be the contenders, with Wlia an outsider.

    Loved seeing the big pig win a couple. However I think it was the Vicodan. His work so far has been very poorly executed.

    No point is quibbling about the judging and the editing. It is what it is.


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    1. re: Bob Mervine

      I record the show too, and would rather people leave the results out of the title...
      Top Chef 2: Seven Deadly Sins would have been better. Is it too late for the OP to edit that?

      FYI last year we put SPOILER ALERT in the title to warn that the results of the show were in the BODY of the message . . . this year we can assume that much, but . . .

      1. re: pitu

        Oops, sorry for the spoiler. i was just so excited about Betty leaving, I did a little dance!

        Taking my cue from Ilan, and Cliff, and to some extent Chef Colicchio, i offer this apology:

        Sometmes, you know, being a Chowhound is about "taking risks". I took a risk, but failed in execution. But I'm not done here. Not by any means.

        1. re: pitu

          I think that's kind of silly. I know some people don't like to be spoiled, but you can't expect everyone else to be reponsible for not spoiling something that's been mass broadcast (unlike a movie that people see at different times) simply because you haven't watched it yet. You might not watch it for days -- how long are people supposed to wait? Some people who hadn't seen season one until there were reruns -- maybe we should spoiler tag any references the outcomes of any of those episodes. In these days of TiVo and DVDS, maybe no one should talk about the results of any competition that's ever happened because people might not have seen them yet.

          1. re: Ruth Lafler

            There's always a chance of someone, somewhere spoiling something for someone else with all the technology and constant barrage of information. However, in Pitu's defense, I too have Tivo and don't watch most of my shows live and I've learned what to avoid although it doesn't always work. I think the request not to post the loser or winner or a key surprise element in the title of the post is not out of line. It's easily done and just, imho, considerate.

            1. re: Ruth Lafler

              Well, at least the thread title should be devoid of spoilers. I just popped into this board last night shortly before watching it, and saw the spoiler, so it did ruin the episode for me, as far as the suspense of who goes home. If the title had been as it is now, I would not have clicked on it until I'd seen the episode. If the thread title spoils it, people don't have a chance if they came to this board to read about Anthony Bourdain, for instance (that's what happened to me).

        2. the only reason why I came on this board right now is become my Bravo channel completely BLACKED OUT at 11:10, right before I was about to find out who lost. Figured it would be Betty... the producers want to see sparks fly between the boys. It's all about good TV...

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          1. re: diningdivala

            Despite Betty's flaws she took a genuine interest in attempting to keep the group organized. I think her being booted will throw a wrench in the future episodes and as a result will add to a lot friction.

            1. re: diningdivala

              What was up with the timing of the show? They don't air a new episode for 2 or 3 weeks, then let it run an extra 10 min with a 6 min ad before they finally do the elimination. It was annoying.

              In any case, I agree with the OP that the reactions to Marcel are ridiculous. I don't think his annoying-ness warrants yelling and threatening. And the virgin comments had no place. Yes he overdoes the foam but unless we're really missing something in the edits, he's not THAT bad. It makes the rest of them (Sam, Ilan, Betty) seem dreally childish.

              That said, I was thinking who I'd vote for for favorite chef in the $10,000 contest and it's tough. At this point, it might be Michael. Or Elia (sp).

              1. re: Joanie

                I know, it was so annoying that the show went longer than usual and ended at such a weird time. I was really confused.

                1. re: Joanie

                  That must be what messed me up - I set my VCR (yeah, I still use "old technology") but just as they were going to say who was going to have to pack their knives - the tape ran stopped! I thought I'd set my VCR with the wrong time; I didn't realize that the show ran long. I'm glad that I could go to BRAVO's web site and see who left!

                2. re: diningdivala

                  In the early previews, you could see Padma looking to her far left when she said "pack your knives and go", so when I saw Betty file in and was first in line, I figured it would be her.

                  As to Michael winning both challenges - I think it was good he finally won something as well - and probably influenced by the Vicodin, as Tom said. I loved it when Tom said "Wait - this was made by OUR Michael?" to Padma at the table. <vbg>

                  Ilan and Cliff are both PITAs, but I think they both have the best probability of making it to Final 2. Although I think it should be Sam and Ilan.

                  1. re: LindaWhit

                    You are very observant Linda! Now I'm going to be watching where she looks in the previews!

                3. Betty was a pain in the ass and I was glad to see her go. The woman's 44 years old and she's acting like some mean girl from junior highschool with the way she was trying to rally everyone against Marcel. Her dishes were simple and so was she.

                  I think Marcel's relationship issues will ease up now that she's out of the picture.

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                  1. re: Gigigirl2

                    "I think Marcel's relationship issues will ease up now that she's out of the picture."

                    Except Ilan and Sam both aren't wild about him either. It will be interesting to see next week's challenge, where it's a 3-on-3 team effort...I couldn't catch who was on what team in the previews, however.

                    1. re: Gigigirl2

                      Marcel is an island. He is aware of nothing else but himself and his food. Not that he intentionally focuses on himself, but he is not aware of anything outside himself. His focus on the food is outstanding, no one else seems to have that. Unfortunately, his blind self-centeredness his going to stir up controversy no matter whom he's with, and he will never be aware of the fact that he's always at least 50% to blame.

                      1. re: amkirkland

                        I don't think he's *that* bad. He seemed to be the first one to help start taking things out to the diners. And I don't think he "snapped" at Betty the way they say he did.

                        Also didn't understand where the envy really was in Mike's dish but as has been mentioned, much of it didn't really represent the sin that great.

                        1. re: amkirkland

                          I agree. Marcel's immature and annoying, but doesn't merit the disrespectful treatment by the others. He even volunteers to help usually. I couldn't stand Marcel at first, but have gotten more sympathetic to him as the others have gotten more vicious.

                      2. I'm so glad she's gone!! There are so many personalities this year that got/ are getting on my nerves- I couldn't/ can't stand Emily, Mia, Betty, Marcel, and sometimes Elia and sometimes Michael, although part of me was a little proud that he did so well last night- sort of a love/ hate relationship with him. I thought it was hilarious when Tom said, "Our Michael did this?!" And told him he should be drugged more often! Too funny! I was a little upset that Ilan and Sam were ganging up on Marcel even though he seems like the kind of guy you want to gang up on- I thought they were better than that. I honestly thought Ilan might get kicked off this time, but whew, I was glad it was Betty!

                        1. I thought Ilan's virgin jokes were completely inappropriate and very revealing about his own immaturity. I mean really, what does being a virgin have to do with ANYTHING Top Chef related? He looked like the high school bully who couldn't think up an insult, so he fell back on "yeah, well, at least I'm not a virgin." Hasn't he seen the billboard?!? It's not a dirty word, Ilan.

                          And besides that, didn't it seem completely out of left field?? I mean, the teasing started at the very beginning of the episode in the apartment, before the theme was announced or Marcel picked "Lust." I remember because the first time it happened I was like, WTF, where did that come from?? Clearly something was off in the editing here: either there was some prior conversation about Marcel's alleged sexual inexperience that we didn't see OR those scenes from early in the show actually occurred after the challenge was revealed and the sins chosen.

                          I also agree that pretty much everybody came off badly in this episode based on how they are reacting to Marcel. At the beginning of the season I found Elia one of the most arrogant and annoying chefs, and I couldn't wait for her to get kicked off. But with each passing episode where she doesn't join the mob mentality, my respect for her grows.

                          Plus, I love a good roast chicken, and last night she had me dying to try hers.

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                          1. re: charmedgirl

                            I think Elia is developing a crush on Marcel. It would be funny if she had a torrid night with him back at the loft just to shut the others up about virginity!

                            1. re: tastyjon

                              I read somewhere that Elia and Marcel actually worked or trained together before this show so I'm sure she must be feeling some actual pity for him. Poor Marcel.

                              1. re: tastyjon

                                THey worked together at Robuchon, I believe. (I apologize for any misspelling or the wrong restaurant.)

                                And I just Wiki'd this site - I was thinking last night if anyone had a spreadsheet of who won won - and damned if Wikipedia hasn't set up a chart. :-) (Obviously not updated from last night's show.)


                                1. re: LindaWhit

                                  Yes, they've worked together a lot and are old friends.