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I'd go with anything from Islay, with Lagavulin as my fave.....the Islay scotches are complex and hard to approach at first (particularly that has a very heavy nose) but the complexity pays off.
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re: algorithmnation
Not all of the Islay Whiskies are so hard to approach
I was lucky enough to spend last week touring the islands distilleries with the founder of Compass box Whisky, John Glaser. It gave us an intro to seven of the eight distilleries where we got some great tours and people opened some astonishing bottles and casks.
My favourites were a special 12yr Oloroso aged barrel from Bowmore's cellar. A similar 21 year old from Lagavulin and, my personal best, a 10 year old bourbon refill from Caol Isla which has previously been best known for producing malts for Johnny Walker but is now getting a justified rep in its own right.
We also spent a lot of the week working in the distillery at Kilchoman, the newest distillery on Islay. They will not be releasing their first spirit until 2011, but, the new spirit is fruity and elegant and promises a great deal
http://majbros.blogspot.com/2007/12/i...
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re: ppmaysa
Just received my new malts.
Mortlach 1970 bottled in 06. Oustanding. If you like heavily sherried flavours along the lines of Macallan and Abelour, this is incredible. Also got a Linkwood 1972 bottled in 06. Lots of honey flavours. Another winner. Both are independent bottlings from G&M.
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Best I've ever tried is hard to say. What is in my cabinet here at home is The McCallan, red label cask strength.
Someone was mentioning Irish down in this thread, I have two that are my favorites, which is good since they're inexpensive: Tullamore Dew and Kilbeggan.
If you want to uncork me, however, start talking about bourbon...
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A friend of mine runs a restaurant and poured a sampler of Murray McDavids for me once. I can't remember which I liked best, but all blew me away. Bar none, the finest scotchs I've ever had.
For a more accessible, day to day type stuff, I'm a big fan on Balvenie 12 year double wood.
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We were talking to the landlord at a guesthouse near Ben Nevis, (he recommended Highland Park) who allowed as how he didn't really believe that Santori had filled an oiltanker with highland river water, and that he had to admit that the Japanese "scotch" he'd tried was actually...well...honestly...it was...well..."perfectly palatable."
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This is fascinating...I have been drinking single malts for years, specifically Speyside whisky (The Glenlivet 18, Glenfarclas 25, The Macallan 18 and Glenfiddich 18 are my usual choices), but have never been able to understand why anyone would like Islay scotch. I realize that everyone has different tastes, but for those of you who enjoy Laphroaig, Lagavulin, etc., do you like the taste of iodine, or do Islays not taste like iodine to you? I do not wish to be disrespectful, I am just trying to understand how tastes can differ so much. Of course, who wants a boring world in which everyone likes the same things?
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re: zin1953
Iodine? Never tasted it. Really. However, there have sometimes when a sip feels more like chewing on ashes or moss, rather than a sip of anything. I think it very much is a matter of taste and preference, and often, my taste buds prefer something from the otherside of the Irish Sea.
As you wonder about Islay, I wonder why more people don't drink potstills. Sometimes I think, well, that leaves more for me. At other times, I think, if more people drank it, there would be more varieties of it.
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re: Captain
Perhaps different taste perceptors explain the difference. My friends who share my preference for Highland or Speyside whisky all taste a medicinal iodine quality in the Islays. In a similar vein, my wife thinks brussels sprouts taste sweet and she loves them, while most people find them bitter. Thanks for the feedback.
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I love Islays. I would describe the taste as full of seaweed and smoke rather than iodine. When I want a softer drink I go to Calvados, Cognac, or Bourbon all of which I like better than most single malts. I haven't access to many Ryes, but think I might sometime find one brawny enough to offer an alternative to my Laphroiag.
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First of all, lets not generalize too much. Not all Islays are peat monsters. Bunnahabin and most Bruichladdichs have very little peat. And of course, BenRiach, Talisker and other non-Islay malts can be very peaty.
That being said, I love the smoke, medicinal flavors, seaweed and salt of the heavily peated Scotches. I tend to find the type of Speysiders you mention boring (excluding Mac 18, which I do like). I want flavor and lots of it and yes, I want smoke and sea and all of those things that some others find repulsive.
As for Iodine, I can't say I can identify it by smell (I don't hang out in hospitals), but it is certainly a term used quite often to describe the malts I like, so I suppose I do like the taste of Iodine.
Why? I don't know. Why do some people (myself included) love calf's liver and onions while others despise it? Just a matter of individual tastes.
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re: jerryc123
About a decade ago my wife and I set up a tiny single malt tasting - just ourselves and two good friends - with all the single malts available in 5cl bottles in my town. At the time Cragganmore was available as part of a six-pack with Talisker, Oban and a few others marketed as "Classic Malts of Scotland." Of the ten single malts I was able to furnish, Cragganmore was the only one we all liked. I gather it's more floral and less peaty than most, and I love its approachability as much as I do its complexity.
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re: tcd
I've had The McCallan 18 and I believe the other was a 25 yr. I lost a bet to my buddy,Slippy,and, had to buy him a bottle. I preferred the 18 yr old. My other is Oban. I love the smoky pleasure of it.In a poorly equipped bar (I'm in Texas)it's McCallan 12 or Glenlivet
A wee dram and some hot tollhouse cookies and I'm in heaven.
1. stick whole HOT cookie in mouth.
2. swig a portion of the nectar
3. hold, hold, hold ( Braveheart quote)
4. feel the chocolate and Scotch ether fill your sinues
5. swallow
6. rinse with water ( I prefer seltzer)
7. repeat
8. laugh if you want , but try it once, it's our not-so-secret family traditionI was born in Edinburgh, and have tasted boocoos of fine Scotchs
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these were 2 differing thoughts....1st was fave Scotch , mine are 18 Mccallan and 2nd was Oban. 25 Mccallan was 3rd. Second was a suggestion that does not require a better Scotch to enjoy ( I usually use 12 Glenlivet). I rarely , if ever, partake in blends. Try the cookie thing and send me a thank-you note
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Just recovered my new malts from the UK and my father......
G&M 1970 Mortlach (bottled in 2001) Best non Islay I have ever tasted.
G&M 1964 Glenburgie (bottled in 2004) very rich.
G&M Highland Park 30. underwhelmed. Have to put water in it to release any nose.
Coal Ila 18. Awesome. Much more smokey than I anticipated.
Bunnhabhain 18. milder than I expected. again water brings out much more character.My favourites are 1. Ardbeg 25, 2. Lagavulin P/X finish, 3. Mortlach 1970
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re: Rustcat
For a brief time, I chanced on a Macallan 15 - and didn't snag more when I could...it was a limited run, but given the price of the 18 and the taste of the younger, the 15 was quite good in my opinion.
I'm also partial to the Glenrothes.....and surprisingly, the Dalmore cigar malt.
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My very favorite is Glen Turret, which is about impossible to get in the states.
Next would be Balvenie Special Reserve, Highland Park, Macallan---12 is fine by me, followed by the usual set, Glen Kinchie, Talisker, Oban---none of these, obeying the instructions of the first lovely people who gave me the Macallans' Special Reserve, will I drink with ice, coffee, or water. One exception: Dalwhinnie seems to taste better over ice. I enjoy Glen Morangie, and find The Dalmore a very, very nice underpriced Scotch, which, alas, people are getting on to, so the price is bound to rise.
I wish more hotels and bars would expand their offerings beyond the usual GlenFiddich and Glenlivet, which taste like bourbon to my palate, and not even good bourbon at that. I like Cutty Sark better than those two, but for that one I omit my rule of neither ice nor water, and pile on the ice, which takes away the roughness a bit. -
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We're going to a tasting on Sunday featuring the following:
Glengoyne 17 y.o. distillery bottling
Balblair 10 y.o. Gordon & MacPhail bottling
Jura 16 y.o. distillery bottling
Glenfarclas 105 distillery bottling
Tomintoul 30 y.o. Stillman’s Dram
Speyburn 10 y.o. distillery bottling
Bowmore Dawn (Port Cask Finish)
Bruichladdich 12 Whisky Galore bottling
Any thoughts on these? Am looking forward to the tasting and would love to hear any opinions on the whiskies before trying them.
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Without any claim to expertise I have a preferance for Glenfiddich. The original bottle was given to me more than 10 years ago and sat unsampled for years and gradually was consumed. When gone I decided to do an internet search of GREAT single malts which led me to one which I purchased and found to my horror that it tasted just like the concoction described in the movie "Mr. Roberts" where iodine was added to lend it a "scotch" taste. It didn't go to waste ( it was donated to a friend who valued that particular taste) and I have since gone back to my original exposure. Like good bourban, I enjoy it as a "sippin whiskey". I believe the donated one was called Talisker and was said to be from the isles. If anyone has knowledge and or appreciation of this product I would like whatever info you can provide. Thanks...
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re: feelinpeckish
Talisker is from the Isle of Skye, and is now owned by Diageo.
http://www.scotchwhisky.net/distilleries/talisker.htm
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re: Harp00n
Well excuuuuuuuse me, the doctor DID say sip fluids. Hey, Harp00n I haven't seen that movie. That's an oldie oldie, isn't it. <1950? Here's a question. I received a bottle of Knockando for Christmas...is it true (Harp00n or anyone) that they were bought by J&B? Haven't tried it yet...I think I like Oban because it's a little more "salt" and a little less peat, and I don't know what the Knockando will be like.
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re: thegolferbitch
Yes, 1949 and it's in gloriously luminescent b&w. For the record, it's Ealing Studios not Hammer, as in I musta been.... Ealing had all those great early Alec Guinness comedies, as well. If you liked "Waking Ned Devine" & "Local Hero" you should love this!
Here's a link; http://www.allmovie.com/cg/avg.dll?p=...Knockando is owned, as is J&B, by the huge multi-national UDV (Diego). A goodly amount of Knockando goes into J&B, btw. Oban is very good indeed. You can over-do the "peat thing" to the point it's almost as much about testosterone as anything else. Which is why my favorites are Springbank, Highland, Oban, etc.
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During the Whisky Fringe in Edinburgh (an amazing whisky tasting put on during the Festival) in 2004, I had the opportunity to taste many amazing drams. Two stood out as my all-time (so far) favorites: Caol Ila 12 year with a Sherry finish (I think. I just tried to look this up and find that it may have been the Distiller's Edition, which is finished in Moscatel casks... I'll have to check my notes later on) and the Highland Park 25 year. Ahhhh. Peat.
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Though I don't know much about whisky, I did have the wonderful opportunity to taste many different whisky's on a cold, rainy July afternoon at The Whire Hart Inn in Edinburgh. I was facinated by how different they all were, but the winner for me was (and still is) Isle of Jura 16 year.
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I am surprised no one has mentined Caol Ila 25 year (please don't ask me to pronouce it!). Nice smooth single. Sits in a place of honor at our bar!
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I'm still a newbie to the world of Whisky, but my favorite thus far is Balvenie 12yo "Double Wood". Aged first in traditional bourbon oak, then a second period of time over sherry casks. The result is smooth, earthy, but overtones of sweetness (honey/vanilla bean) For me, the complexity is the alluring part. Also enjoyed Glenmorangie 15yo...I'd like to explore the Irish stuff, as I also know the meaning of "slainte"...
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re: Harp00n
Amen. Particularly if you can find and enjoy potstill whiskey, the products from Cooley, and some of the more common Irish whiskeys (Powers, Jamesons, Tullamore Dew, etc.).
With regard to potstill, wthe heart and sole of Irish whiskey, you should try and should be able to find: Red Breast. See: http://www.bevmo.com/productinfo.asp?.... I think Harp00n might agree with my opinion that Red Breast is the true uisce beatha (pronounced "Ish-ka BA-ha").
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re: Harp00n
About Irish whiskey:
I have to say some are smooth (Bushmills 10 and Clontarf single malt) (if you like smooth try Scottish Glengoyne too)
some are disgusting (Tyrconnel, Paddy (blend))If you (like me) prefer a peaty taste and you like the smoothness of the Irish ones try Connemara (this is a single malt).
If you like more pungent peat don't turn your back on Islay.Enjoy.
Irish malts I tried: Clontarf, Tyrconnel, Jameson 12, Bushmills 10 and 16, Connemara plain, 12 and cask strength version. Irish blends I tried: Bushmills white and black, Jameson, Clontarf plain and reserve, Tullimore Dew, Paddy. (maybe I should give Redbreast a try...)
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re: Captain
Well there's nothing to disagree with here, Captain. Curiously, and you probably know this, Powers out sells Jameson by a healthy margin in Ireland. And yet, in the States there are generic type bars who don't know anything but Jameson & maybe Bushmills White. At this level I'll take the Powers everytime. When you get to Belfast check out the newest, Feckin Irish Whiskey - Portaferry, Co. Down. I don't believe it's available over here yet. They've got a hilarious gift box that's a mini-wooden shipping crate stamped "POLICE EVIDENCE". Ya,it's gimmicky but it's not a bad 80 proof blended.
BTW, final: Pats 37, Jets 16
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re: Harp00n
Feckin sounds like it was meant to intimate a word that is spelled similarly, but with a "u" instead of an "e". I may need to get some for my collection.
I also agree with regard to Powers. To quote a regular at one of my former watering holes: "It sets you right" and "It talks to ya."
It's a shame that the only Irish whiskeys served in most places are basically equivalent to a decent blended scotch, if that.
BTW, I'm a Giants' fan, which offers me little consolation. I already hear enough about the Patriots from those I attended college with in Buzzards Bay.
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re: Captain
And you would be absolutely right. In "polite" company in Ireland it's used exactly as friggin' is here. Hmmm.... let's see, you're a boat owner, a Rag Man I'm guessin', and went to college in Buzzard's Bay so we must be takin' Mass Maritime, eh?
As a N.Y. "Football" Giants fan, about now I'd say you should be envying those Jets fan's. Oops, sorry :-)
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re: Harp00n
Not a boat owner, but I did acquire mooring rights this fall. If I get a boat, expect it to have rags, and a bottles of Barbancourt and Red Breast, as well as the worst pepper vodka I can find. I use Captain because I worked as one in a former life and career, before grad school and being lashed to a deck. I did go to Mass
Maritime.My rooting as a fan has now all transferred to the NY Rangers and whatever players I pick in my fantasy playoff league. fortunatley, the Rangers play near Keens, so if I get to a game, I can get a fine dram either before or after. And if I don't feel like a big steak or chop, the prime rib hash served in the bar goes well with single malt. Unfortunately, Keens has not gotten a clue about Irish whiskey.
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The "best?" According to what measure? Maybe you really mean "favorite." Because my favorite will probably differ from everyone else's favorite since this is so subjective. I'm curious as to your inquiry, too? Are you looking to expand your Scotch Whiskey horizon, wanting to get into the party or just trolling?
My favorite Highlands are The Balvenie Portwood and Glen Farclas 21. My favorite Islay is Lagavulin 16 and probably my all time favorite is Talisker Distiller's Edition.
That being said, I also enjoy Johnny Walker Gold and Blue. And Bushmill's 21yo Irish is absolutely stellar. At least in my opinion.
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re: Mutt
Well "favorites" for me would be Springbank's Campbeltown 15 yo. Springbank has been ridiculously hard to find in the States of late, however. The Talisker is another fine option. I must admit if pressed that, in general, I prefer a good Irish pot stilled such as Readbreast 12, 15 if you can find it, or Green Dot.
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re: Harp00n
Harp00n, not trying to get nit-picky with you, but it is Green Spot, and if you want it in North America, head for Ontario. Early thihs year, I was told by J. Mitchell & Son (see: http://www.mitchellandson.com/green_s...), which owns the brand although it is made at Middleton, that it is not imported into the U.S. but you can get it in Ontario. I got one bottle a couple years ago, which I ration out to myself slowly. I'll take a Green Spot or Red breast over most Single Malts or Cask Strength Scotches, on most nights.
As a coincidence, I had both the Talisker Distiller's Choice and the Springbank 15 yo on Thursday night. After watching the Rangers beat the Flyers, my friend and I went to Keens for a couple fine whiskys. Keens has a great whisky selection, but it lacks good Irish whiskey.
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re: Captain
Oh Captain, my Captain, my ship has gone astray! I KNOW it's Green Spot,lol.I had a similar melt-down on the N.E. board today; referring to The Four Chimneys in Bennington, Vt. as the "Four Columns".
My single bottle of "Green Spot" was captured in Belfast thru a friend with Middleton connections.This while we were on holiday in Ireland this past summer. That's great info on Ontario but I wonder if it's available in Nova Scotia as well? Looks like further investigations are in order.
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re: Harp00n
It's possible you might find it in Nova Scotia, but I know they did not sell it in Montreal. I walked all over the place checking various liquor stores (all state owned) in search of it, to no avail.
I got the one I have a few years ago in New York, when Park Ave. carried it. It took me a year to open it.
So, it's possible to find it in Belfast? I may be playing a little golf near there this May. Perhaps, I can get another.
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re: Captain
Sorry, I need to bring a little more clarity to "captured". It was a suprise reciprocal gift for some single barrel bourbon that I knew my friend had been lusting after.
I see Berry Bros & Rudd, allegedly, have eight (8) bottles in stock and are willing to ship Green Spot to The States with a six (6) bottle minimum order. That would work as a joint buy if you've made some converts in Gotham, Captain. As for me, that would be a hard sell to SO. It's the price of another Thomas & Thomas flyrod and...well, I won't bore you with that domestic skirmish.More off topic and not to turn this into Trip Advisor; get a copy of Georgina Campbell's Ireland for Gourmet Golfers. I don't golf. I bought it for the cousins, who were on that same trip, that do. If you have the time, take a Black Cab tour of the former "Troubles"' neighborhoods. Lastly, under penalty of excommunication, make the time for a pilrimage to The MAJESTIC Crown Liquor Saloon.
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re: Harp00n
I don't think arranging for the import of six bottles of Green Spot will be in my future over the near term. Although, I have been tempted to try to arrange to get some Old Comber, which would probably not be opened until I was on my death bed, considering that I have not been able to bring myself to open my bottle of A.H. Hirsch for over two years. Perhaps it could be sprinkled over me right afer I expire, and I'll be revived by "uisce beatha."
Thanks for the recommendations. Sounds like I should avoid letting people know that most of my family readily answers to "Mac" as a nickname and knows the meaning of "slainte."
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re: Harp00n
I heartily agree, Springbank Cambeltown is one of the best I've ever had. They used to make a more "affordable", 12 yr. 100 proof that was my favorite, but sadly for some reason stopped production on that one years ago. Woodland Hills Wine Co. in Los Angeles used to carry all the Sprinkbank single malts, and is worth a try if you have trouble finding them. BevMo carries the 10 year.
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re: rotie77
Hey, thanks for the heads-up "rotie77". 10 yo is readily available here in New England but everthing else is tough to get. If you take a look at Springbank's website everything but the 10 yo reads "not available in Canada & U.S.", or words to that effect. As an aside, I don't want to get wrapped-up in that thread on Vodka but, and I'm hardly the first to make this bloviation, if you want taste & nuance in your vodka drink gin! :-)
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re: Harp00n
Here's a link for a shop closer to you that carries most of the Springbank available in this country, including the 15 yr old...and some quite older and outrageously expensive. If you order any of those, invite me over!
http://www.winespecialist.com/ecart/s...
And let me say, grasshopper, that vodka is one of the most misunderstood and underappreciated spirits out there. If you ever get to San Diego, I'd be happy to demonstrate. ;^)
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re: rotie77
What a great link, thank you very, very much! As Big Joe Turner would sing; "I'm like a one-eyed cat peepin' in a seafood store!" I will definitely be ordering from this site, C'mon over.
Now, not to twist your tail much, how can you say 'vodka is.....an underappreciated spirits"? It's the opium....err, I mean liquor of the masses. The majority of which, drink it precisely because it has no discernible taste. And just to make sure, the bulk of it gets drowned in a sugary mix of some sort. Oops, I've done it, haven't I? :-) :-) :-)
BTW, you're in San Diego? Pats 28, Chargers 20
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re: Harp00n
As an aside, if you've never looked at the D&M website . . .
. . . they have one of the most amazing single malt (and Armagnac) selections I've ever seen.
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No I mean 'Best that you have ever tried.' That's what the question is. Thanks for your input. Just curious as to the different tastes out there. It used to be that many people were into the Speysides and Highlands but now the smokiness of the Islay's seem to be picking up in terms of preference. Personally, Glenlivet 21 yo is nice but I like trying them all.
For a blend Johnnie Walker Blue is great but it's a blend and that's for another discussion.
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I think it is all a matter of personal preference. If I had my druthers, I would not be drinking single malts at all. Instead, I would be haivng a fine potstill Irish whiskey, Like Green Spot, or would be with the poster above having a cask strength Scott's selection, except mine would be from Linlithgow.
However, if corced to choose a single malt I could enjoy regularly, it would be Talisker from Skye. Less peat in it's taste and more pure smokiness. But I also enjoy other sinlge malts too. There simply is no best.
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"Wow" is right. If EVER there was a subjective, purely-a-matter-of-taste question on malt whisky, this is it!
Personally, I prefer Highland malts -- distilleries such as The Macallan and Highland Park, for instance. Specifically, I favor the 18 year olds from both, but generally drink the Macalan 12 as my "usual." Some of the Cadenhead special bottlings have been quite special. Others, of course, prefer the Islay malts -- Laphroig and Lagavulin -- but they are too peaty, too much iodine, for me.
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I definitely 'lean' towards the island malts, Laphroaig and Bowmore being my overall faves spanning varying ages, but I'd have to admit that Highland Park 18 is among the best malts I have ever tried. Jeez, for something to appeal to all comers I'd be hard pressed to suggest another, unless it was Glenmorangie's Port Wood Finish.
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Wow, that is a matter of taste. Different whiskies are good for different things and at different times.
I would say that my overall favorites have been:
Highland Park Bicentenniary Edition (1977 vintage reserve)
Ardbeg Uigedail
Lagavulin 16 yo
Laphroig Quarter Cask
...but there are so many more.As you can probably tell, I'm a fan of the peat.






















