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<topic>
  <id>356617</id>
  <title>Kosher Vermouth?</title>
  <published_at>Wed Jan 03 17:58:25 -0800 2007</published_at>
  <post_count>22</post_count>
  <board>
    <id>28</id>
    <name>Kosher</name>
  </board>
  <posts>
    <post>
      <post>
        <level>0</level>
        <id>2148841</id>
        <content>Does anyone know of a Kosher dry vermouth that's not made by Kedem?  I haven't tried Kedem, but I've heard that it's awful.</content>
        <published_at>Wed Jan 03 17:58:25 -0800 2007</published_at>
        <parent_id></parent_id>
        <user>
          <id>20147</id>
          <name>CWY</name>
        </user>
      </post>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>2149771</id>
      <content>I don't recall ever seeing any other brand under supervision. KosherWine.com does not list any types other than the Kedem (Dry or Sweet). I checked the CRC alcohol list and they say Kedem is the only kind which is "readily available".

Just a disclaimer - if I am having hard alcohol I prefer Single Malt.</content>
      <published_at>Wed Jan 03 20:53:21 -0800 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>2148841</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>16775</id>
        <name>PapaT</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>2149903</id>
      <content>If you can, try to find typsy olives in vermouth, they are under the COR, and they give you just enough vermouth to be able to say it is a martini, instead of a vodka on the rocks with olives.</content>
      <published_at>Wed Jan 03 21:21:13 -0800 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>2148841</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>20420</id>
        <name>azcohen</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>2151285</id>
      <content>Why not experiment with other white wines.  THere are a plethora under supervision.  Let us know what develops.</content>
      <published_at>Thu Jan 04 03:54:38 -0800 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>2148841</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>22234</id>
        <name>Marcharlan</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>2</level>
      <id>2151892</id>
      <content>Ice cold gin with a drop of chardonnay?</content>
      <published_at>Thu Jan 04 14:02:35 -0800 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>2151285</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>20147</id>
        <name>CWY</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>3</level>
      <id>2218668</id>
      <content>"Ice cold gin with a drop of chardonnay?"

LOL!</content>
      <published_at>Tue Jan 23 13:16:49 -0800 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>2151892</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>68592</id>
        <name>Kitchenman</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>3</level>
      <id>3278345</id>
      <content>Why don't you fix yourself a martini in the manner of Sir Winston Churchill: Pour iced gin into a martini glass, take a bottle of vermouth (an empty bottle will do fine), wave bottle of vermouth over the glass, enjoy!

No need for any actual vermouth.</content>
      <published_at>Wed Jan 09 13:42:56 -0800 2008</published_at>
      <parent_id>2151892</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>31438</id>
        <name>KosherKing</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>2152668</id>
      <content>Re: the tipsy olives in vermouth; they were recalled by the COR a few months ago because the certification was unauthorized. Here's the link:

http://www.cor.ca/en/32512</content>
      <published_at>Thu Jan 04 17:43:36 -0800 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>2148841</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>25835</id>
        <name>malka_101</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>2</level>
      <id>2164838</id>
      <content>Thanks for your post. I actually saw these in the supermarket on Wednesday night but didn't buy them (I prefer my drinks unadulterated). I will attempt to contact the COR to let them know its on the shelves in NY.</content>
      <published_at>Mon Jan 08 15:40:12 -0800 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>2152668</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>16775</id>
        <name>PapaT</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>2153079</id>
      <content>Thank you.  Darn, I knew it was to good to be true.</content>
      <published_at>Thu Jan 04 19:04:54 -0800 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>2148841</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>20420</id>
        <name>azcohen</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>2157322</id>
      <content>I was at a glatt restaurant and noticed that the bar had the popular Martini &amp; Rosso vermouth you see everywhere. Unless my eyes were deceiving me.

Anyone know if this stuff is kosher?
fleisch</content>
      <published_at>Fri Jan 05 20:31:30 -0800 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>2148841</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>47117</id>
        <name>fleisch</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>2</level>
      <id>2562015</id>
      <content>By any chance, do you remember what restaurant it was?  </content>
      <published_at>Fri May 11 11:34:21 -0700 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>2157322</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>20147</id>
        <name>CWY</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>2160670</id>
      <content>I think your eyes were deceiving you.  The stuff is not kosher.</content>
      <published_at>Sat Jan 06 22:50:10 -0800 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>2148841</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>20147</id>
        <name>CWY</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>2167018</id>
      <content>I saw somewhere that Martini &amp; Rossi sold in Israel is or was under kosher supervision.</content>
      <published_at>Mon Jan 08 23:10:29 -0800 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>2148841</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>15019</id>
        <name>jeterfan</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>2</level>
      <id>2178850</id>
      <content>Yes, whenever I can I have a friend making the trip to Israel bring back a bottle of Martini &amp; Rossi vermouth which is available there with a hechsher -  the Beis Din of Milan, IIRC.</content>
      <published_at>Thu Jan 11 21:24:52 -0800 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>2167018</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>66127</id>
        <name>Beerhound</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>3</level>
      <id>2182002</id>
      <content>That is DARNED interesting.
I had no idea and it explains my apparent hallucination at the steakhouse.

Thanks.</content>
      <published_at>Fri Jan 12 18:05:29 -0800 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>2178850</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>47117</id>
        <name>fleisch</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>3</level>
      <id>3532130</id>
      <content>The following Vermouths bear Kosher certification in Israel. They must bear the symbol and the approval of Israels chief rabbinate to be kosher. In the Ben Gurion duty free they are usually not kosher from what I have heard)

Martini: Bianco, Rosso and Extra Dry all bear the Israel chief rabbinates approval as well as Rabbi G.M. Garelik, Milan, Italy.(I'm not sure how the name is spelled in Latin but in Hebrew its like this &#1492;&#1512;&#1489; &#1490;&#1512;&#1513;&#1493;&#1503; &#1502;&#1504;&#1491;&#1500; &#1490;&#1512;&#1500;&#1497;&#1511; )

Cinzano: Rosso, Bianco and Extra Dry all bear the Israel chief rabbinates approval as well as Rabbi G.M. Garelik, Milan, Italy L'Mehadrin (according to the label) 
[for example Cinzano: Cherry says "Lo Kasher" (Not Kosher) on the label in Hebrew.]

Campari: (a bitter liquor) also bears the Israel chief rabbinates approval as well as Rabbi G.M. Garelik, Milan, Italy L'Mehadrin (according to the lable)

</content>
      <published_at>Thu Mar 27 04:52:16 -0700 2008</published_at>
      <parent_id>2178850</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>178360</id>
        <name>Faune</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>2167067</id>
      <content>So that prompts a new question: are there any Israeli brands of Vermouth that are out there.  I suppose the real point of this line is to find new vermouth options.</content>
      <published_at>Mon Jan 08 23:20:03 -0800 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>2148841</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>22234</id>
        <name>Marcharlan</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>2</level>
      <id>3278566</id>
      <content>Carmel makes (or made 10+ years ago) a vermouth, but it was drek.</content>
      <published_at>Wed Jan 09 14:30:59 -0800 2008</published_at>
      <parent_id>2167067</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>30210</id>
        <name>aivri</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>3269175</id>
      <content>re: kosher vermouth
take a bottle of kosher sparkling wine, let it flatten out  , or just a shotglass, depending on how much u need &amp; use it instead of dry vermouth. though it's called dry vermouth that description does not pertain to it's sweetness. a riesling might work, as well.</content>
      <published_at>Mon Jan 07 07:55:33 -0800 2008</published_at>
      <parent_id>2148841</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>155385</id>
        <name>sambolef</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>2</level>
      <id>3278454</id>
      <content>What's the point of using flat sparkling wine?  Might as well use a regular wine and save time.

To be honest, I'm no longer looking for a kosher vermouth/ vermouth substitute.  I just drink the gin straight, while waiving in the direction of France.</content>
      <published_at>Wed Jan 09 14:05:38 -0800 2008</published_at>
      <parent_id>3269175</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>20147</id>
        <name>CWY</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>3</level>
      <id>3532767</id>
      <content>Personally, I prefer the similar Alan Alda method:  
"You pour six jiggers of gin, and you drink it while staring at a picture of Lorenzo Schwartz, the inventor of vermouth."
- Hawkeye Pierce, 4077 M.A.S.H
</content>
      <published_at>Thu Mar 27 08:33:50 -0700 2008</published_at>
      <parent_id>3278454</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>66127</id>
        <name>Beerhound</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>3566174</id>
      <content>Another brand of Vermouth that is kosher in Israel aside from Martini &amp; Rossi and Cinzano is Stock, an Italian brand of vermouth made under license in Israel. Stock has sweet red vermouth and Dry White Vermouth. 

FYI: they also have a kosher version of Stock '84 kosher brandy in Israel. 

recap: the brands that bear Kashrut (only if you see the Kashrut symbol that is) in Israel are: Martini &amp; Rossi (Italian), Cinzano (Italian), Stock (Italian) and there is one more non-kedem local Israeli brand of vermouth available in the supermarkets in Israel.

Both Martini &amp; Rossi and Cinzano can be found for around: NIS 40-58 (in USD$ ~ $11.50- $16.50)

I have tried Martini &amp; Rossi: Rosso (sweet red vermouth) and Extra Dry
as well as Cinzano: Rosso (sweet red vermouth). My opinion is that they are both very good vermouths.

You can see the word "Kasher" in Hebrew mid-label and to its left is Rabbi G.M. Garelik, Milan, Italy Hechsher with the Rabbinate's approval around it.</content>
      <published_at>Sun Apr 06 04:58:34 -0700 2008</published_at>
      <parent_id>2148841</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>178360</id>
        <name>Faune</name>
      </user>
    </post>
  </posts>
</topic>
