356071 Mon Jan 01 19:23:18 -0800 2007 56 31 Home Cooking 0 2143577 I'm searching my cookbooks for something to inspire me for dinner tonight and stumbled across a recipe for Green Goddess Dressing. I've lived in Northern CA for most of my life and back in the 70s Green Goddess dressing was so popular. What happened to it? I use to love that stuff!!! Mon Jan 01 19:23:18 -0800 2007 50431 chef chicklet 1 2143638 I don't have a recipe, but Annie's Naturals makes a Green Goddess dressing. I tried it once and found it bland and uninteresting. I,too, remember liking Green Goddess back in the 70s. Maybe I just liked the name...? Mon Jan 01 19:56:48 -0800 2007 2143577 11231 Glencora 2 2143652 Annie's is nothing like the original Green Goddess. Here's my recent post on the Green Goddess served at lunch time at a restaurant in Santa Rosa, California in Sonoma County's wine country. Includes a link to the recipe from Chez Panisse. http://www.chowhound.com/topics/show/334751#1976443 Mon Jan 01 20:00:40 -0800 2007 2143638 10039 Melanie Wong 3 2143656 Yay for BOTH of us! You can get it thru Vermont Country Store on-line. It is THE dressing you are talking about!!! -jennyfur Mon Jan 01 20:02:51 -0800 2007 2143652 15310 jennyfur 3 2143761 Wow, that recipe is nothing like Annie's. Now, I know why it seemed so boring. I'll have to try making my own. Thanks. Mon Jan 01 21:01:43 -0800 2007 2143652 11231 Glencora 1 2143663 It just went out of fashion. People got into Balsamics and others and it fell by the wayside. I do have a good recipe I can paraphrase if you are interested. I served it up as a sauce for poached salmon at a party once and people really liked it. All were askign what it was and for a recipe. They were really surprised when I said it was a homemade Green Goddess. Mon Jan 01 20:06:09 -0800 2007 2143577 10285 Candy 2 2143679 I think that Caesar and Ranch have taken over the creamy dressing market share. We should start a movement to revive Green Goddess, invented in San Francisco. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_goddess_dressing Mon Jan 01 20:12:57 -0800 2007 2143663 10039 Melanie Wong 2 2143922 Yes please! i found one too while I was waiting to hear from you all. I love that stuff! Mon Jan 01 21:48:02 -0800 2007 2143663 50431 chef chicklet 1 2143692 Penzey's Spices makes a Green Goddess base you can mix with water, mayo and vinegar to the consistency of your choice: http://www.penzeys.com/cgi-bin/penzeys/p-penzeysgreengodd.html Mon Jan 01 20:19:24 -0800 2007 2143577 12752 MsDiPesto 2 2578634 It's actually my FAVORITE of their dressings! So we make it all the time! :) --Dommy! Thu May 17 12:48:36 -0700 2007 2143692 10659 Dommy 3 2583358 me too, dommy! --Bill Fri May 18 20:44:35 -0700 2007 2578634 68998 kleinfortlee 2 2581299 I bought this, and it tastes more like dill than I remember GG dressing to taste in the 70s. Fri May 18 09:40:55 -0700 2007 2143692 70510 xnyorkr 1 2143702 Here's a recipe I have: Green Goddess Buttermilk Dressing 1/3 c. buttermilk 1/4 c. sliced green onions 1/4 c. chopped parsley 1/4 c. chopped watercress 2 t. lemon juice 1/2 t. dry tarragon 1/2 t. anchovy paste 1/2 c. regular or reduced fat mayonnaise salt and pepper In a blender or f/p, combine buttermilk, onions, parsley, watercress, tarragon, lemon juice and anchovy paste. Whirl until herbs are finely chopped. Add mayo, whirl just until blended. Season with s&p. If made ahead, cover and refrigerate for up to 10 days. Makes about 1 cup. Mon Jan 01 20:26:04 -0800 2007 2143577 22241 personalcheffie 2 2144043 The buttermilk and mayo would make it seem like a Green Goddess flavored Ranch dressing Mon Jan 01 22:46:23 -0800 2007 2143702 10285 Candy 2 2149808 I've had versions that have watercress whirled in and I really like the peppery green snap it lends. Agree that fresh tarragon is a must, and that GG should not have avocado in it. Wed Jan 03 21:00:36 -0800 2007 2143702 10039 Melanie Wong 1 2143706 Honestly...this is what you are looking for: http://www.vermontcountrystore.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp?itemID=31293&itemType=PRODUCT&RS=1&keyword=green+goddess Enjoy! -jennyfur Mon Jan 01 20:27:14 -0800 2007 2143577 15310 jennyfur 1 2143727 For the past 15 years or so, I've known green goddess dressing to mean the tahini based dressing from Annies'. It seems to be very popular still: https://secure15.nexternal.com/vegane/images/GoddessDressingLarge.jpg The Chez Panisse recipe sounds delightful. I can't wait to try it soon. Mon Jan 01 20:37:35 -0800 2007 2143577 34428 scarmoza 2 2144270 The tahini based dressing is just Goddess, not Green Goddess. btw... that's my FAVORITE of all dressings. I eat goddess on everything. Tue Jan 02 00:43:49 -0800 2007 2143727 49957 annimal 1 2143808 Okay try this one. It is very fresh and uses no dry herbs. I really cannot abide the taste of dried tarragon. Combine in a food processor, 1 C. real mayo, homemade is best with 1 C. sour cream and add 1 2 oz. can anchovies, 1 Tbs, lemon juice, 3 Tbs. Tarragon vinegar, 2 tsp. chopped fresh tarragon, 3 Tbs. chopped fresh chives, 1/2 C. chopped flat leaf parsley, 1/2 tsp kosher salt and some freshly ground black pepper. Process until smooth and well combined. Chill before serving Mon Jan 01 21:18:27 -0800 2007 2143577 10285 Candy 1 2143941 Okay here is the one I found: 1 cup of mayo 1 clove of garlic 1/2 tsp dry mustard 1 tsp worcestershire sauce 1 tsp anchovy paste 3 tsp finely chopped shrimp 1 hard cooked egg finely chopped Blend garlic, salt, dru mustard, worcestershire sauce and anchovy paste. add mayonaise, shrimp, egg and mix well is there avocado in it?? it looks like it is missing buttermilk and tarragon.... Now I'm not certain if this is the one I remember, all I know is I sure enjoyed the heck out of those salads back then and I'm hoping to bring back a good dining memory. If I hit on a good one, I'll be sure to let you all that are interested know! Mon Jan 01 21:58:49 -0800 2007 2143577 50431 chef chicklet 1 2143958 How can these recipes be SO radically different? They both sound delicious but Candy uses anchovies, Chez Panisse's has avocado. I think Saveur had yet another recipe, but I can't find it right now. I understand the origin of this dressing is California and that it is pale green from herbs. I love the stuff. A real American classic. I'd prefer not to buy pre-made or even spice mix. I'm definitely with Candy on fresh herbs for things like this, especially dried tarragon (ick). Who knows more? Mon Jan 01 22:08:57 -0800 2007 2143577 32444 MakingSense 2 2144003 I'm with you, I want to make it fresh. That's why I started this, I really don't know and am wondering why so many different variations. I know it was tangy, with anchovies, but did not know if avocado was an ingredient or not. Delicious if done right. Mon Jan 01 22:30:21 -0800 2007 2143958 50431 chef chicklet 3 2144024 I misunderstood, chef chicklet. I thought you were looking for the old bottled version. There is an excellant recipe in Saveur and a good one in the Joy of Cooking...but, I would add lots of fresh tarragon to that one. Oh, an NO avocado. -jennyfur Mon Jan 01 22:39:51 -0800 2007 2144003 15310 jennyfur 3 2144038 I cannot imagine avocado in it, but the dressing on avocado would be delicious. Another old recipe whic claims to have been created at the Palace Hotel in San Francisco says to use 8 anchovy fillets, 2 scallions chopped fine, 1/4 finely chopped flat leaf parsley, 1.5 Tbs. finely chopped fresh tarragon, 2 C. mayo Fold that all together annd then fold in 2 Tbs. tarragon vinegar and 3 Tbs. fiely chopped chives. James Beards recipe also credits the Palace Hotel and said it is named for a movie starring George Arliss His variation calls for 10 anchovy fillets, 1 green onion finely sliced, 1/2 C. finely chopped parsley, 2 Tbs. minced fresh tarragon, 1/4 C. minced chives, 3 C. mayo and 2 Tbs. tarragon vinegar. I guess no avocado in the dressing it would not be traditional. Can't see the need anyway. The stuff is delicious without tampering. I just pulled out my copy of Helen Evans Brown's West Coast Cookbook orig. published 1952 and republished in 1991 for the Knopf America Cooks series. Her recipe is also suposed to com e directly from the chef at the Palace. It is a combo of the 2 above 8-10 anchovies etc. She does make notes that "there is a growing tendency to add sour cream...as there is to everything" and adds if you want to do that cut back on the mayo. She also had a variation that did not vary much, 1 C. mayo, 1/4 C. minced parsley, 1/4 C. tarragon vinegar, 2 tsp. minced fresh tarragon, add 4 minced anchovies or 2 tsp. anchovy paste, add 2 tsp. minced chives or green onion and thin with a bit of cream if necessary. I am convinced. No avocado, no buttermilk, no worcestershire, no mustard, no shrimp, no mustard. All recipes suggest that it be served with Romaine or seafood. I know it is great with either and I might be tempted to dress a seafood or crab salad with avocado with it. Mon Jan 01 22:44:54 -0800 2007 2144003 10285 Candy 4 2578286 There's a restaurant on the road we take down to Long Beach, a chicken-pie joint that's been there for 50 years or so, that serves their lovely tender French fries with a cup of flavorful Green Goddess dressing on the side. One of my favorite SoCal Time-Warp experiences. Thu May 17 11:30:52 -0700 2007 2144038 11478 Will Owen 1 2144067 A short history of, scroll 3/4 of way down: http://whatscookingamerica.net/History/SaladHistory.htm From the 1975 JofC - paraphrased: COMBINE: 1 c mayo 1 garlic clove, minc 3 anchovy fillets, minc 1/4 c chives or green onions, finely minc 1/4 c parsley, minc 1 Tb lemon juice 1 Tb tarragon vinegar 1/2 tsp salt, pepper to taste 1/2 c sour cream Mon Jan 01 23:02:30 -0800 2007 2143577 10877 Sarah 2 2576950 From what I remember of what my Grandmother told me (who lived in the Bay Area from 1906-1996, Green Goddess was not only a dressing but a salad as well. Perhaps the Avocado was originally in the salad itself, but later was transfered (in some recipes) to the dressing. Can anyone confirm this? Thu May 17 03:44:15 -0700 2007 2144067 57890 KaimukiMan 3 2577981 I first ate at the Palace Court in 1952, but things have changed since then. There were two salads that used the same dressing: the Green Goddess Salad and the Palace Court Salad. I forget which was which, but one was iceberg lettuce tossed with bay shrimp and the dressing, garnished with hard boiled egg and tomato...a slice of avocado could have been included. The second (my favorite) was a large artichoke bottom with bay shrimp in the dressing, mounded on a bed of lettuce. I know (from a TV show) that dietary modifications have been made at the Palace Hotel, but it is basically the same. The original dressing was mayo, heavy cream (I substitute sour cream), tarragon, tarragon vinegar, anchovies and green onions. I shudder when I think of bottled GG dressing...almost a culinary heresy. Its freshness was the secret. I make a similar salad, substituting an avocado for the artichoke. Thu May 17 10:15:24 -0700 2007 2576950 12274 OldTimer 4 2582814 I was downtown today and stepped inside the Palace hotel to see whether Green Goddess was still on the menu. The Garden Court's lunch menu included a Dungeness crab Green Goddess salad for $24. Fri May 18 16:10:35 -0700 2007 2577981 10039 Melanie Wong 5 2582897 The chef was interviewed on a TV show and pointed out many innovations in the salad, including use of dungeness crab. Somehow, the tiny bay shrimp and disgustingly caloric dressing seem authentic...all else is a compromise. Actually, a generous heap of fresh crab would justify the price. Did you find out which salad was which? I think the "Green Goddess" might be the tossed lettuce type. Great salad. Fri May 18 16:42:06 -0700 2007 2582814 12274 OldTimer 6 2583023 Here's the link for the pdf lunch menu , http://www.gardencourt-restaurant.com/MenuPro%202007%20spring%20lunch%20menu.pdf It's called the Signature Palace Dungeness Crab Salad with tomatoes, green beans and green goddess dressing. I think it would have lettuces as a base. At 10:30am the Garden Court was showing at its finest. We had morning sun in SF (!) and it was streaming through the glass panes to show off the room beautifully. It was as gorgeous as I've ever seen that very special space. Many tourists having their picture taken there and business people having meetings over coffee. Fri May 18 17:36:40 -0700 2007 2582897 10039 Melanie Wong 7 2583361 Thanks for the web site, Melanie. I'm shocked that they aren't serving the two salads that made the Palace Court famous. At least we have the fond memories. Time for some imitator to move in. Fri May 18 20:45:10 -0700 2007 2583023 12274 OldTimer 8 2583685 Thank you Melanie and OldTimer. If i find out more i will try to let you know. Sat May 19 05:03:00 -0700 2007 2583361 57890 KaimukiMan 9 2589926 I sent an e-mail to the Palace, and they were kind enough to send me the recipie for the Green Goddess dressing, but made no reply to my question about what salad it was originally used with. Oh well..... Mon May 21 17:31:00 -0700 2007 2583685 57890 KaimukiMan 10 2590220 It would not surprise me if the person who replied to your email was not around during the "olden days" of Green Goddess. I think they upgraded (?) the menu about 20 years ago. Mon May 21 19:41:16 -0700 2007 2589926 12274 OldTimer 10 2590244 I'd love to see it, could you post the list of ingredients here, please? Mon May 21 19:51:27 -0700 2007 2589926 10039 Melanie Wong 11 2590752 I suppose giving the ingredients only without proportions would not be infringing... there are enough variations above to figure out what proportions would be right. There was the standard harsh admonishment statement at the bottom of the message about sharing the information contained. Tarragon Vinegar Egg Yolks Minced Garlic Anchovy Filets Fresh Minced Tarragon quite a bit of Fresh Minced Parsley Lemon Juice Green Onions a little bit of White Onion, chopped Olive Oil S&P The total is about 3-4 cups of dressing. Tue May 22 01:43:47 -0700 2007 2590244 57890 KaimukiMan 12 2591445 Thanks for posting this and the email. The two egg yolks and all the ingredients except the 2 3/4 cups of olive and salt & pepper are combined in a blender. Then drizzle in the olive oil, as you would for making mayonnaise, to emulsify and form the sauce. Add salt & pepper to taste. Tue May 22 08:50:45 -0700 2007 2590752 10039 Melanie Wong 13 2591855 Recipe seems to omit essential ingredient (but don't they all??)...heavy cream. I use mayo and sour cream, tarragon, garlic, green onions, tarragon vinegar, and (secret ingredient) Thai fish sauce. A bit of olive oil helps. Tue May 22 10:24:13 -0700 2007 2591445 12274 OldTimer 1 2144097 Not all that green but equal parts mayo/green onion dip/seems to have the closest flavor. If too stiff add oil and vinegar. Sugar to taste. perhaps green food coloring will turn it green with envy. Sorry, I am a toss together receipe person, rarely using measuring cups. PS: Green onion dip (or chive dip) is the sour creamed potato chip dip. It is my cheat in stroganoff. Mon Jan 01 23:13:15 -0800 2007 2143577 60276 RShea78 1 2144627 Just pulled out San Fracisco a la Carte, the Junior League cookbook, copyright 1979. Their version: 1 3/4 c mayo 1/4 c sour cream 6 to 8 anchovy fillets, mashed 3 T minced fresh tarragon leaves 2 T minced fresh chives 1 T chopped fresh parsley 1/4 C tarragon vinegar 1 clove garlic, minced Everything is shaken well in a jar to blend, left to stand for at least an hour to allow the flavors to blend. Will keep for several days in fridge. Guess Alice Waters went too far afield on this one with the avocado inclusion. All the other recipes seem to track with pretty much the same ingredients, varying only in the proportions. Tue Jan 02 04:15:37 -0800 2007 2143577 32444 MakingSense 2 2581316 Oh yay! I'll be able to make this once my new aerogarden gets going! Fri May 18 09:45:13 -0700 2007 2144627 70510 xnyorkr 1 2145832 I practically lived on salad with green goddess dressing in the 70s I loved it. I never made it, but would always have it for lunch or when out to dinner. I can't wait to get to the store to get the herbs and try recreating this. And it will be wonderful on poached cold chicken, salmon and inside my beloved pita pocket filled with tomatoes and all the crunchy veggies, and sprouts. Thanks for helping me with finding recipes for this delightful dressing!!! Tue Jan 02 19:32:36 -0800 2007 2143577 50431 chef chicklet 1 2145890 Seven Seas makes it, Wal-Mart sells it. I've never had homemade GG, but this works just fine for me. Tue Jan 02 19:46:54 -0800 2007 2143577 12858 Covert Ops 2 2147624 Yup - I didn't get it at Walmart, but I have a bottle of the Seven Seas brand of GG in my fridge as we speak. Same taste that I remembered as a kid, too. Yum! Wed Jan 03 05:02:20 -0800 2007 2145890 10856 sundevilpeg 3 2149706 I have been searching for the Seven Seas bottle version for years....did they recently bring it back? It's been at least 15 years since I've seen it on the market shelves.....I have this awesome taco salad recipe that includes Nacho Cheese Doritos and Seven Seas Green Goddess dressing. I love that stuff. Okay I just checked out the Kraft website (they own Seven Seas brands) and the product is not available nation wide......but you can get it on eBay. Go figure! Wed Jan 03 20:39:25 -0800 2007 2147624 12756 michele_corum 4 2577914 If your friends like it too -- heck, it's not like it spoils -- you can get 6 bottles for $17 at Amazon. http://www.amazon.com/Seven-Dressing-Goddess-16-Ounce-Bottles/dp/B000HDKWZ8/ref=sr_1_2/002-4023286-8590466?ie=UTF8&s=grocery&qid=1179421163&sr=8-2 Shipping might add another $10 or so. Depends on how bad you want it. EDIT: If you sign up for a free trial of Amazon Prime, shipping's free. Now THAT's a bargain. Thu May 17 10:02:06 -0700 2007 2149706 12858 Covert Ops 1 2150002 I find mine at Lunds. Wed Jan 03 21:46:11 -0800 2007 2143577 57801 lollya 2 2576613 I admire all of you that go through the hard work to make this dressing from scratch. However, just to add to this, In Oklahoma, Wal-Mart doesn't carry Green Goddess, However Albertsons does carry the original Seven Seas Green Goddess, and it makes that Taco Salad Recepie just as good as it did when I was a kid. Wed May 16 21:12:47 -0700 2007 2150002 99200 laridius 3 2587925 Can you send that taco salad recipe please. Mon May 21 07:55:18 -0700 2007 2576613 63326 mbfergie 1 2577926 When I was a kid when we would get the rare treat to go out to eat, I would ask for Green Goddess dressing, and the server would look at me like I was crazy... Green Goddess was my favorite, and I see the Seven Seas brand in stores still. Nowdays I prefer Ranch, or my homemade 1000 Island. Thu May 17 10:04:19 -0700 2007 2143577 26725 swsidejim 2 2578002 This is Ina Gartens recipe - 1 cup good mayonnaise 1 cup chopped scallions, white and green parts (6 to 7 scallions) 1 cup chopped fresh basil leaves 1/4 cup freshly squeezed lemon juice (2 lemons) 2 teaspoons chopped garlic (2 cloves) 2 teaspoons anchovy paste 2 teaspoons kosher salt 1 teaspoon freshly ground black pepper 1 cup sour cream 3 heads Bibb lettuce 2 to 3 tomatoes Place the mayonnaise, scallions, basil, lemon juice, garlic, anchovy paste, salt and pepper in a blender and blend until smooth. Add the sour cream and process just until blended. (If not using immediately, refrigerate the dressing until ready to serve.) Thu May 17 10:20:08 -0700 2007 2577926 92423 jesoda 3 2578043 thank you, I may have to give it a try. Thu May 17 10:31:06 -0700 2007 2578002 26725 swsidejim 3 2580956 No tarragon? Not really Green Goddess... Fri May 18 08:23:13 -0700 2007 2578002 10039 Melanie Wong 3 2582924 Parsley and Tarragon supply the green - all others are imitators.... Fri May 18 16:52:32 -0700 2007 2578002 26675 bobbyperu 1 2580323 Trader Joe has their own brand of "Goddess" dressing. It's quite good. Fri May 18 01:30:32 -0700 2007 2143577 13619 Sharuf 2 2583739 I find GG at my local Strack and Van Til. They're been carrying it for several weeks now. Sat May 19 06:10:10 -0700 2007 2580323 17508 acme