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There appears to be a Kosher Subway on Ave J btwn 12 & 13 (next door to Kosher Delight). Does anyone know if it is open or when it is scheduled to open? If it is open, any reviews?

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    I only know about the one in Cleveland, which I thought was the only kosher Subway in the USA. Haven't eaten there, though. My daughter bought one for my son when he was there, for the plane trip back. His review was that it was nothing special.

    1. I saw that there was going to be a subway, are you sure it'll be kosher?? I don't really see the need there with Subsational and bagel hole two blocks away plus KD next door.

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      1. re: pitagirl

        Re "are you sure it'll be kosher??" - I believe it said "Glatt Kosher" on the awning/signage

      2. Competition is a good thing. One example is when Sabra Pizza in the Five Towns started having competition. This competition eventually led to an overall better (more product variety and nicer decor) establishment.

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        1. re: jeterfan

          Yeah, but Pizza Pious wasn't as good, I think. And Sabra had falafel.

        2. It’s about time! I could never understand why KD had no competition for all these years! Anyone that goes there will note that it is a very successful store. Why no one would set up a competing business is beyond me. Would Burger King allow McDonalds to have a busy location unchallenged? The kosher word seems to be hung up on pizza stores as being the prevalent out of home eating venue. As an example, here in the 5 towns you have 3 pizza stores within a one minute walk of each other! In fact the 5 towns has 6 pizza stores!

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          1. re: MartyB

            Maybe pizza is just easier to do? Or there is more of a market, especially with the HAFTR kids nearby.

          2. from kosher today
            Brooklyn, NY... The second glatt kosher Subway franchise restaurant is set to open on Avenue J in Flatbush, right next door to Kosher Delight, one of 3 fast food

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            1. re: alyssa

              Would some kind poster keep us informed when they open!

              Lets hope this is the start of the major chains to cater to the kosher community! They do so in Israel, between Flatbush and Boro Park I am sure that their venture will be successfull. As to the five towns where I reside, I could hope, after all we do have a kosher Dunkin Donuts here!

            2. Well, it opened tonight, and was reasonably busy. They didn't have everything quite set up yet, and I wasn't really in the mood for a deli sandwich anyway (when you get right down to it, that's what it is, isn't it?), and I was in the mood for soup, which they didn't have yet; so I didn't order anything, but the whole assembly line process did look interesting. I think I'll pop in again next week, when they've had a chance to settle in.

              PS: Instead I went next door to Estihana, and had miso soup and chicken satay (or "sate", as they spell it), both of which I thought very good.

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              1. re: zsero

                Thanks for the heads up! I hope they are successful, this may be the start for more big chain organization to serve the kosher community. Next stop - Boro Park!

                1. re: zsero

                  Yes, they had their "GRAND OPENING" yesterday. My husband and I got back at 8 from a long meeting and decided to buy out. They had almost no choices in stock, not even fries. We each bought a turkey sandwich. For $6, the tasty roll had a maximum of two slices of turkey and a swipe of mustard. If they keep up this way, Estihana and Kosher Delight will increase business instead of losing business, which some predicted.

                  1. re: Luckydog

                    "not even fries" ... ??? your Subways have fries?!?? Man, am I jealous. I have never seen fries at a Subway store.

                    1. re: abowes

                      I've never seen fries at a Subway either. No cooking device to support them, even.

                      1. re: DeisCane

                        There are no fries at any Subway restuarant. Subway is known to
                        be a healthy fast food chain. None of that fried chicken or
                        fries to clog up your arteries.

                2. I currently live in the tri state area, however last year i lived in Cleveland. The subway there is outrageous. it is clean, friendly, and the service is extremely fast. but the only reason subway works in cleveland, (besides the "oh cool, a kosher subway") is because, there is almost nowhere else to go.
                  In Cleveland if you want to go out for kosher food, you have about 4 choices. In brooklyn you have 400 choices. People will dine at the brooklyn location in the begining, but there is no way it will last.

                  Kosher Delight has huge varieties. grill, deli, and chinese. Subway has sandwiches. i will definetly check it out, but im not gonna go there as often as the people who live in cleveland go to theirs.

                  1. Just had lunch there. Tuna hero with pickles and sweet peppers. Very tasty on whole wheat bread. Very crowded which is to be expected. heard a customer complaining that the same person making the Tuna heros is also making the Turkey heros. the manager said they are supposed to change their gloves between making a tuna hero and making a meat hero. Great assembly line production technique. I will return.

                    bruce in belle Harbor

                    1. My concern with people opening a franchise establishment like Subway is the fact that these restaurants are contractually obligated to buy from certain suppliers (and can't shop around for better quality and/or price) and the fact that they have to pay fees to the corporation that owns the name.

                      This affects us because these costs get passed on to us, the kosher consumer.

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                      1. re: jeterfan

                        That's a pretty funny statement, given that exactly the opposite is more generally true: non-kosher consumers foot part of the cost for the massive proliferation of kosher supervision of products that may or may not require such supervision.

                        Given that Subway offers very good prices at their non-kosher certified stores (at which I happily eat veggie burgers or salads), the most likely reason for any increased price for the kosher certified stores is the cost of the meat and the supervision. If there's a mashgiach temidi, which is the normative case in meat places these days, the cost of that person's salary alone will have an impact on the product cost.

                        1. re: jeterfan

                          You can say that about any franchise. That's how they work. It's the same at Carvel, Baskin-Robbins, Dunkin' Donuts and any other franchise that has a hechsher.
                          You can also make the argument that you save money because of the economy of scale. When you have a few hundred stores purchasing the same items in bulk each store gets a much better price than if they were purchasing individually, and they can then pass along the savings to you, the consumer.

                        2. it's completely unnecessary as i cant see how it can be better than subsational (except maybe in terms of bread). nonetheless, it's good that major franchises are looking to go kosher and if anyone can pull it off, i think it might work

                          1. The advantage of a major chain offering kosher locations will be a boon to the kosher consumer. A previous poster mentioned that there are 400 kosher places in Brooklyn. True but they are highly concentrated in basically two neighborhoods. In a recent Chowhound posting you will note that a poster was asking for kosher places to eat in Bensonhurst, or the fact that there are almost no kosher places to eat in Downtown Brooklyn! - a place that has lots of frum workers. When a major chain opens and goes kosher it attracts more than the kosher consumer. Dunken Donuts is a perfect example. When I go to the one in the 5 towns it has LOTS of non-jews that eat there. If a "Yankel's Kosher Donut Shop" would open in say Downtown Brooklyn (or in the 5 towns for that matter) it probably won't survive, but if a kosher Dunken Donuts opens there it probably would do well.

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                            1. re: MartyB

                              you're right, anyone can walk into a kosher dunkin donuts and still get their egg and cheese on a croissant, but non jews are not going to eat at a subway where they cant get their ham and swiss on whole wheat.

                              1. re: kiddush hopper

                                My point is that as long as most of the franchise offerings can be covered by kosher items, it will flourish. I assume that regular Dunkin Donuts offer a "Bacon Egg Cheese" sandwich, the lack of this offering will not necessarily drive the non-kosher customer away.

                                The psychological impact of the big boys in the advertisement world does work. Name brands do draw business. I know that when I went to Israel, I just had to go to the kosher KFC, Burger King, Sbarros and Pizza Hut.

                            2. You should know that every item in Dunkin Donuts, except the meat, is under the Vaad of Mass. The items are sent to the shops made to be put right into an oven and cooked. They come doughy, and are made there, but none of the shops "make" their own donuts. Just an FYI.

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                              1. re: azcohen

                                well that is definetly not true, they may make the mixes but in elizabeth new jersey there are about 7 dunkin donuts shops, all owned by the same person, 1 of them is kosher.
                                non of the baking is done in any of them, there is one central factory where every donuts bagel etc. is baked and then they are delivered.

                              2. Ready for this? The Next Kosher subway is scheduled to open in LA in April, and I recently heard there may be a Kosher Cinnabon in Wilmette, IL opening!!

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                                1. re: KosherNY

                                  It makes perfect sense that Cinnabon would be kosher. They are owned by the same parent company as Carvel and all Carvels use only kosher products. Not all stores have certifications, but all Carvel-approved product is kosher. Since franchisees have the option to co-brand Carvel and Cinnabon (and Carvel has a Cinnabon flavored ice cream that uses Cinnabon ingredients) it would make sense that Cinnabon be kosher, too.

                                  1. re: KosherNY

                                    It's not that simple. The Cinnabon in Wilmette is open today. It's been reported that the owner has been in touch with a rabbi to get kosher certification but there's a huge stumbling block. The owner is Jewish and he won't close on shabbat. He claims to sell the store each week for shabbat and the mashgiach needs to agree to shabbat visits. So don't get too excited yet about the trans-fat loaded treats.

                                    There is a certified kosher Cinnabon outside the US.

                                    1. re: KosherNY

                                      Somebody once gave me a big box of unbaked Cinnabons to bring home to NYC and try. I baked one of them and couldn't eat more than one bite. I'm a fan of junk food but I swear I could hear my arteries hardening. It was just too much. I'm satisfied to walk past them on my occasional visits to malls and enjoy the aroma wafting through the air. Maybe I would buy the Cinnabon cologne instead, if they decide to market it.

                                        1. re: ttsupra26

                                          And I see that this one will have soy cheese. Evidently whoever will be giving its hechsher approves.

                                      1. it's funny, cuz the point of chowhound is to review restaurants that aren't franchised (i.e. unique, previously unheard of places that happen to make good food as opposed to cookie cutter entrees). nevertheless, a chain restaurant is a novelty in the american kosher world. what we need now is the opinion of a non-kosher subway frequenter who can give us a comparison

                                        1. back to SUBWAY, who has been there and what do they offer?

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                                          1. re: pitagirl

                                            As of Tuesday night, they were still shaking down, but they seemed to be offering most of the major Subway sandwiches, with bologna substituting for ham, and beef fry for bacon (though when I got there they were out of turkey and chicken, and of onions; as they get settled in, they'll be able to estimate better how much to buy). They also had one soup (I think they plan to have several varieties). I think they only had Italian bread, but plan to add most of the other varieties, except the ones that are milchig. There were no cookies, but I think those are coming. They do *not* plan ever to have pareve cheese; I think the rav hamachshir (Rabbi Gornish) won't allow it.

                                            The pea soup (the only variety they had available) was OK, nothing special. The only sandwich I was in the mood for was turkey, and they were out, so I didn't get one, but I'll be back sometime next week and report again.

                                            I still haven't made it back to the Falafel Stop, which I also sampled on its opening night, and reported here.

                                            1. re: zsero

                                              What's wrong with pareve cheese if it's kosher? I think pareve cheese can be awful, but at least with the texture of cheese and some of the taste, you can make something similar to the meat/cheese hero sandwiches available at most sub shops.

                                              I've only eaten at a Subway shop once, and that was a decade ago. I had a tuna sub and wasn't very impressed. I'd prefer to buy some decent bread and make a tuna sandwich at home. If I want a meat sandwich I go to Kosher Marketplace on the UWS, since that's where I live, and a kosher Subway up here wouldn't entice me. I guess it's good if people work in the area, though, since any additional lunch places are always handy.

                                          2. Sucks about the lack of pareve cheese, imo. Bologna is not a good substitute for ham, either.

                                            1. Just went to Subways, not a competition to Kosher Delight in the way Burger King is a competitor to McDonalds, but rather complements the offerings on Ave J in Flatbush. I was very pleased with the smoothness of the operation and the freshness of the offerings. I enjoyed the 12inch sub with Pastrami and turkey with the works. Very tasty and filling. There are times I want a sandwich and there are times I want Kosher Delight's Double Delight or their fried chicken. Their proximity to Kosher Delight (next door) will help when Kosher Delight get real crowded, Subways will be there to help with the overload and visa versa.

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                                                  1. re: pitagirl

                                                    No it is not, There are 2 partners of the Subway (I know one personally). They are not the owners of KD.

                                                1. It's odd, when a new subway opens in Manhattan people are generally upset about whatever closed to allow it to open. The meat is all highly processed, as are the condiments, which are shipped in prewashed, shredded, and bagged, often with high sodium content to preserve the freshness factor.

                                                  It is a nice option to have a kosher subway, or any major chain, but it should be viewed more as a convenience food and not as a destination. Now if they had a kosher subway in the airport, so you could purchase a halfway decent sandwich to go, that would be a nice step foward, in my opinion.

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                                                  1. re: jesse

                                                    At LGA (Central and USAir terminals) and JFK (both JetBlue terminals at JFK), you can buy a halfway decent sandwich, at Cibo Express. The sandwiches are dairy/parve, and I think they're made by Cafe Roma on the Upper West Side. The price is the same as the treife sandwiches.

                                                  2. not to derail the post- but are there any Newark airport kosher options? I am always flying out of Newark lately, and mostly continental. just wondering

                                                    1. I am pretty sure there isn't Levial. As I recall, it's all chains now, and none of them is a kosher Subway.

                                                      1. Right. I think for most of the local airports, unless you're flying to Israel on El Al - which means there's generally a shul and kosher kiosk at least, there's really no dice for you. The closest you may find at Newark, which I haven't seen for a LONG TIME, is the kosher packaged samdwiches like at the JetBlue waiting area at JFK.

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                                                        1. re: KosherNY

                                                          if ur flying out of newark, ur best bet is to check in early and go to elizabeth, it's about a 2 minute drive from the airport, and they have gr8 pizza, burger place, and chinese

                                                          1. re: kiddush hopper

                                                            Can you call them to deliver to the airport?

                                                        2. Looks like some subways will be allowed fake cheese. From the LA Subway website:

                                                          With slight modifications, such as no pork-based products such as bacon or ham, and the use of soy-based cheese, the menu is virtually identical to that of any other SUBWAY® restaurant.

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                                                          1. re: craigcep

                                                            Yes, as I said, the issue is with the rav hamachshir of the Flatbush store. There's no reason to suppose that the one in LA will have the same attitude.

                                                          2. Ordered a turkey sandwich and a Subway club. They put on so little deli it looked like a topping. I had 2 sandwiches with the works and still left hungry...no wonder Jared lost so much weight.

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                                                            1. re: Love4Food

                                                              Had ag reat Italian Hero for lunch: 3 meats, Italian dressing and vegies, peppers, olives and onions on a wonderful piece of Italian bread. Great place. ( Not a traditional "Deli' with overstuffed sandwiches, but a good hero place where the meat is just a piece of the "taste" puzzle in making a good sandwich!!)

                                                              1. re: nyy7

                                                                I have been to regular Subway's and they are not meant to be a 'traditional' delis - producing overstuffed sandwiches - they are designed to provide a set amount of meat(the stuff that costs the most) on the sandwich to keep costs down - being a subway franchise, I assume, they need to follow the corporate guidlines in regards to the amount of meat to be placed on the sandwich - hence only 3 slices of meat

                                                                1. re: nyy7

                                                                  i couldn't agree with you more. too many people are complaining that there is no meat on the sandwich. THIS IS NOT A DELI!!!!

                                                                  1. re: kiddush hopper

                                                                    Could you image what a 12 inch overstuffed hero would go for! Not $7 that’s for sure. I found the balance tasty with the emphasis on the salads. If I wanted an overstuffed deli sandwich I would go to Traditions, Mr. Broadway or Essex on Coney depending on where I was. If it wouldn't break corporate policy I would suggest that Subways offer an overstuffed version with the higher cost that this would entail. Question is would one be able to finish it at one sitting. When I order the Turkey Extravaganza at Tradtions, it comes on a club cut in threes, one I eat, one my dinner partner eats, and one is my next day's lunch.

                                                                    1. re: MartyB

                                                                      the subway in cleveland doubles your meat for something like 2 bucks

                                                                      1. re: kiddush hopper

                                                                        Yeah, so do treyf subways. Maybe the BP Subway didn't get that memo. :-)

                                                                    2. re: kiddush hopper

                                                                      I agree that Subway isn't a deli. However, if people are not satisfied with the new Subway's portions, the novelty of eating in a kosher Subway will not be sufficient enough to sustain the restaurant.

                                                                      1. re: jeterfan

                                                                        Subways is a national chain that is apparently successful. Now if the non-kosher version of Subways gives substantially more meat on their heroes then you have a point. However if the kosher version of Subways matches the offerings of the chain then there is no reason to believe that just because it is kosher it will fail. Remember, in the non-kosher world Subways has an ENORMOUS amount of competition, here we have, what, Kosher Delight and Essex on Coney.

                                                                        1. re: MartyB

                                                                          ur right. but people are stupid, they think subway is being cheap, they don't realize that that is what a subway sandwich looks like everywhere

                                                                          1. re: kiddush hopper

                                                                            Funny, this morning I saw an ad on TV where Quiznos is advertising that they have twice the meat than Subways. As you said, this is what a Subways hero is all about. Having said this, why do you think it will not last. What makes the kosher consumer so different that they will not go for the Subways offerings and why is their offerings acceptable to the non-kosher public.

                                                                            1. re: MartyB

                                                                              the kosher consumer doesn't realize that a subway sandwich should be that small. they are used to a lot of meat, and that is what will keep them happy.

                                                                              1. re: kiddush hopper

                                                                                As their website states "Double Meat Please add $1.49 for 6" and $2.49 for 12" " that is pretty fair for a kosher deli sandwich since they have to obide by Subways rules in how much meat they put in each sandwich. Check out their menu and fair price list www.koshersubwayny.com

                                                                        2. re: jeterfan

                                                                          ive been saying since the begining that i dont think it will last

                                                                    3. re: Love4Food

                                                                      The content of every Subway sandwich is mandated by the company. Many of the ingredients arrive in the stores pre-portioned. They even define precisely how to slice the bread. (It's cut in a "j" shape).

                                                                      We don't have a kosher Subway in Toronto, so I can't compare it with the standard version. But, in general, you get a lot of bread, possibly a lot of toppings, and enough thin slices of meat to cover the length of the sandwich. You can double the meat for a nominal sum. The treif version also includes a layer of paper thin cheese slices. The staff has some discretion with the toppings, but not with the protein ingredients.

                                                                      As others have noted, Subway is not a deli. It's a sub (or hero, or hoagie) shop. The sandwiches are reasonably sized for franchise subs. Some ingredients (tuna comes to mind) are portioned more generously than the meats but you will never get an overstuffed sandwich. It's not specifically about the ingredient costs, it's the style. The meat is just one flavour element of the whole - it isn't the main thing. (If they did "overstuff " the sandwiches, they would need to charge more than Carnegie in New York just to fill the 12 inches of bread.)

                                                                      If you go looking for deli, you'll hate it. It is what it is: a fast food chain that serves a fresher and somewhat healthier version of fast food than the other major fast food places. Convenience is a key attribute -- there are thousands of them and, in a major centre, there's always one reasonably close by.

                                                                      The kosher Subways are essentially a novelty and a pilot project. If kosher consumers take to them, they'll start popping up in Jewish neighbourhoods like weeds. If kosher consumers expect a 3/4 pound deli sandwich, they will all disappear.

                                                                      1. re: embee

                                                                        Well I for one ate there and plan on going there again (this time with the double meat option :). There is a Subways here in the 5 towns on Peninsula Blvd. I sure hope they go kosher one day. Maybe I'll forward the Ave J ad to them just to plant the bug in their head.

                                                                    4. Do they accept Subway coupons? Are the specials the same?

                                                                      1. Kosher Subway has officially opened last week. I don't see what all the fuss is about. Frankly, it's a glorified deli, and the meat's not THAT good. I don't see what's so special about it. Seriously, this is just a marketing ploy to get Jews all excited about eating at a Kosher-ified non-kosher chain, but the novelty WILL wear off, I assure you. Does anyone remember how long the kosher Nathan's on Kings Hwy lasted? Exactly....

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                                                                        1. re: ShayaKNYC

                                                                          Location is important too. I never went to, or even knew about the kosher Nathens. I don't live in Brooklyn but know if I want to eat to go to Ave J or 13th Ave for food. Dunkens Donuts on Ave J seems to thrive despite being surrounded by pizza stores, Garden of Eatin and kosher bagel and take out stores. I went to Subways and will go again..

                                                                          1. re: ShayaKNYC

                                                                            You don't get it. It isn't a glorified deli. It isn't a deli. It's the antithesis of "glorified". It's a franchised sub shop, something the kosher market isn't used to having. There is nothing exciting about Subway. The meat is hardly special and is just one element of the sandwich. Subway's (treif) meat is actually better quality than many of its direct competitors. But you don't go there for the meat.

                                                                            Their competitive advantage is that they aren't bad and they are EVERYWHERE. I do, however, agree with your comment about "novelty". Since the kosher Subway's aren't everywhere, that advantage is lost. Once the novelty wears off, they can still succeed if they deliver a good product at an appropriate price. But don't waste your time going there if you are looking for a deli. In the mass market, few would makes special journey to eat at Subway. You do it because it's there.

                                                                            1. re: embee

                                                                              I agree it is not a deli - I see it as a place to grab a quick sandwich and be on my way -

                                                                              1. re: weinstein5

                                                                                YES!!! you are one of the few people that get it

                                                                          2. embee,

                                                                            You should add that relative to other fast food options, it's healthier. It's there and it's relatively healthy. I hope it catches on among kosher consumers b/c we could use a bit more lettuce and tomato in our diets. :)

                                                                            1. I'm baffled about people discussing Subway as if it's a health food restaurant. What's so healthy about it? Sure, it's not as unhealthy as McDonald's and Burger King, but kosher people don't eat that stuff, anyway. Subway always looked to me to mostly consist of bread. I had a friend who used to refer to the Subway tuna sub as a "tuna shake," since it was so loaded with mayo. Is the meat such good quality so as to make it worthy of all of this discussion? The notion that this is healthier because people should eat less meat is like getting a really small portion of anything at a restaurant and saying that it's preferable, because one should reduce one's calorie intake.

                                                                              If one wants a healthier sandwich, do what I do on those rare occasions when I want a deli sandwich. I go to a good deli, get a nice sliced turkey (or whatever) sandwich, take out half the meat and save it for later. Eat the sandwich. If I want it healthier, I add extra lettuce and tomato or make (or buy) a salad. That way I get the good meat, don't overeat and wind up having enough meat left over for another meal. Good deal, and not too fattening.

                                                                              Part of me is astounded that a Subway restaurant could have generated over 70 posts. Back in my eating everything days I used to work near a Subway but never went there, because there were so many other options in the area, like a famous soup place, a decent Thai, a good Indian. Subway, like the nearby McDonald's, didn't particularly attract me. I can certainly understand why it's great to have another kosher option in any area, but if I worked there, I'd get more excited about something with more interesting food, or something really healthy, since the worst problem with workday lunches is often that they are rushed and unhealthy.

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                                                                              1. re: Clarissa

                                                                                It is a healthier option than the neighboring "Double Delight", "Double Beefburger" or the "Bucket of fried chicken"

                                                                              2. I always found Subway's tuna to be too dry, but that's beside the point.

                                                                                The notion that it's relatively healthier is because it is. There are more vegetables on a Subway sandwich than on a Burger King/McD burger. The meats are lower in fat, calories and sodium than a Burger King/McD burger. There are no french fries as Subway, nor milkshakes. That was the point of my post, and I stand by it.

                                                                                As for the statement that kosher people "don't eat that stuff, anyway," what exactly do Kosher Delight, Kosher Deluxe, etc. serve? If you point out that they have grilled chicken and turkey sandwiches, that's fine, but it's pretty apparenyt that the bulk of the food being eaten at those places is coming from a fryer or from lower quality cuts of meat (ie burgers).

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                                                                                1. re: DeisCane

                                                                                  My post was in response to a post, now gone, which suggested (and this is not the first post to make this point) that people shouldn't complain about the skimpy offerings as far as the protein on the sandwiches, as it is healthy to have less meat, anyway. I found this logic to be silly, as getting a smaller portion of anything usually isn't a selling point. Arguing with me by pointing out that other places sell food that is even less healthy is also silly. Of course, there are places that sell less healthy food. There are restaurants where you can have deep friend anything slathered in gravy with a side of double-fried-fries. That doesn't make Subway, or any other fast-food establishment a haven for healthy eaters.

                                                                                  As far as my comment about kosher people not eating at Burger King or McDonalds, I think you can't argue with that. You have brought Kosher Delight and Kosher Deluxe into the discussion. I'm not familiar with either of these places (although I have heard of one of them) but I was discussing fast food. Subway is fast food, McDonalds is fast food, Burger King is fast food. Unless there is are fast food chains called Kosher Delight and Kosher Deluxe, I don't see their relevance to my point.

                                                                                  1. re: Clarissa

                                                                                    Clarissa, as someone who has eaten quite a bit at non-kosher Subway franchises, I feel qualified to say that you are, with all due respect, just dead wrong and/or misinformed. Choosing to eat at Subway can be a distinctly healthy way to go for a clear-cut fraction of the price of the type of "good deli" meal you describe. What's so healthy about it? First, every Subway sandwich is loaded at no extra charge with your choice of vegetables, including as much lettuce, tomato, bell peppers, onions, olives, cucumber, pickles, etc. as you ask for (avocado can be added for a small surcharge). Subway offers several completely vegetarian options in both sandwich and salad forms. You can forgo the bread completely and get any of the sandwiches as a salad. They offer only low-fat mayonaisse and, if that's still unsuitable for you, you can ask them to leave it off. I believe their turkey is of the low-fat variety as well. Subway has built most of its ad campaign in recent years on being an excellent choice for dieters and, for a change, I believe that hype to be warranted.

                                                                                    Is the food there phenomenal? Well, it won't make you forget your favorite restaurant or home-cooked meal, but it's quite a bit better than average, infinitely better than the vast majority of kosher fast-food joints, and, depending on where you happen to be, Subway is quite often simply the best and healthiest option available for a quick meal out. My family and I eagerly look forward to the kosher branch opening soon in Los Angeles.

                                                                                    1. re: Arthur

                                                                                      I see your point. I'm not a huge fan of the chain, but I can see why you prefer it to other options. As I said before, I'm happy for any new kosher restaurants to open anywhere, soon. More choices is always better.

                                                                                      1. re: Arthur

                                                                                        Arthur- I eat at regular Subways, and I really love their subs. (To all the other posters who commented on the Jewish deli sandwich vs. Subway's, I've had both kinds and I don't go to Subway for a deli sandwich. I go because I love subs, grinders, whatever you want to call it. And I love getting to put on it whatever kind of veggies, olives or peppers that I like. They are absolutely not the same thing and I don't much care for the giant, dry kosher deli turkey sandwich anymore--nor the fatty corned beef and pastrami.) Also, at Subway you have to ask if you want low-fat (rather than regular) mayonnaise. They have set amounts of vegetables for each sandwich as well (although they'll add more if you ask). Also, isn't all turkey breast low-fat?

                                                                                  2. The kosher subway will soon join the kosher Nathan's in fast food heaven.
                                                                                    btw, if you have a bag of cut up lettuce, some ketchup,mayo and a pack of rubashkin sliced deli meat, YOU TOO can open up a subway.

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                                                                                    1. re: kugelthekid

                                                                                      That is a little too simplistic after all what is a Starbucks, a few coffee brewers, bags of coffee beans and milk yet the chain is very successfull.

                                                                                    2. apparently, according to the ny subway's website, fake bacon (beef fry) is ok but fake cheese not? is a puzzlement!

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                                                                                      1. re: jonoro

                                                                                        Beef fry is meat. It's not "fake" anything. If it happens to look and taste a little like bacon, who's going to know? It looks more like just another kind of cold cut. Fake cheese is different, because everyone knows what cheese is and looks like. And evidently the rav hamachshir of the Flatbush shop doesn't let them have it; other shops will vary, depending on who gives their hechsherim.

                                                                                        1. re: zsero

                                                                                          The trick is to make it not look like cheese i.e. yellow flat squares that hang outside the bun. A suggestion would be to cut it into thinner strips that gets placed on the hero first with meat on top of it to hide it. If someone sees it it will look like part of the bun or they may think it is turkey. Amother way would be to shread it, place on hero then meat on top of it then the toppings..

                                                                                          1. re: MartyB

                                                                                            Hey, if you're that interested, talk to Rabbi Gornish, not to us. Or just take the sandwich home and add your own soy cheese. (Which kind of defeats the point, but whatever.)

                                                                                      2. Went tonight with my, forever on a diet,19 year old daughter and she gave it a big thumbs up! They offer an overstuffed version which makes a big difference. I ordered the 6" overstuffed pastrami with the works and my daughter ordered the 12" overstuffed turkey with the works. I figured this way I get 6" of pastrami and 6" of turkey. No way - too much! I now have the 6" turkey for tomorrows lunch :) Excellent combo lots of meat and you can really taste the toppings.

                                                                                        1. Now that the place has found its legs, does anyone have recommendations (sandwiches, soups, etc...)? I have not yet managed to find my way in, but I'm thinking about trying to find an excuse to be in the neighborhood.

                                                                                          1. I finally got there tonight, had a turkey on Whole wheat - nothing special (I'm not adventurous with my food). THe person I was with had the meatball sub, it was good, again, nothing special. Anyone have any recommendations on what to try?

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                                                                                            1. re: pitagirl

                                                                                              There IS nothing special. I suppose it's still a novelty to you. People eat at Subways because they are an omnipresent source of fast food that has a greater variety than other places (such as McDonalds) and some choices that are at least nominally healthier.

                                                                                              There is nothing special about the food at Subway. Really. Assuming you aren't strictly kosher, you eat at a Subway because it's THERE. Until fairly recently, the best single sandwich at a treife Subway was probably the lowly tuna sub, but they started using much lower quality tuna a few years ago.

                                                                                              1. re: embee

                                                                                                Problem is that, outside of the omnipresent pizza stores (of which there are WAY too many of), there are no kosher fast food stores, ah la McDonalds or Burger King, in the kosher world, with the one exception of Kosher Delight. It has always surprised me that despite the fact that this is a successful chain, long lines at dinner etc, there is no competition. The gut feeling that I think people are expressing is the hope that this is the start of a trend. After all some of the major chains have a presence in Israel, why not Flatbush or Boro Park. If Subways is successful on Ave J maybe the next place is Boro Park, Manhattan, Main Street in Queens, or maybe even the 5 Towns? This goes beyond is the food at this one lone eating establishment "special".

                                                                                                1. re: MartyB

                                                                                                  While your points are logical, they deny the reality of the fast food world. Every McDonalds in the US, as far as I know, gets their food delivered by one supplier, Martin Brouwer, who gets their food from a defined, and limited, number of sources. To source and deliver everything separately for a kosher unit would require a separate supply chain. The cost and logistics would both be nightmarish and there would be no economies of scale. It won't happen. Ditto Burger King, Wendys, and all the others.

                                                                                                  The Jewish management of McDonalds Canada has never opened a kosher unit, likely for the same reasons.

                                                                                                  I'd assume the distinction for Israel is that the kosher market is a mass market and obtaining the kosher ingredients is normal.

                                                                                                  Here in Toronto, we have one interesting situation. Most Popeye's chicken franchises are halal. Unlike McDonalds, Burger King, Wendy's, and Subway, Popeyes sells food that you probably couldn't cook at home. Also unlike those places, some of Popeyes food is really good. But Popeyes is very small here, so the supply chain issues are simpler. And halal is much less complicated than kosher to administer. In short, kosher food is acceptable as halal to most Muslims, but halal food is not acceptable as kosher.

                                                                                                  What is different about Subway is that Subway stores do not cook. I'm guessing (I could be wrong) that their meats come in sealed packets from Rubashkin. The supply chain issues are different and the stores are less complicated to run. I don't know what franchises cost today but, in the mid eighties in Canada, a Subway franchise cost under $30K and a store could be built for five figures. McDonalds units could cost in seven figures.

                                                                                                  If many of you are hoping for the start of a trend, it's because you are feeling deprived, but these foods are simply not something to feel deprived about. When I was growing up in a kosher home, I desperately wanted to have "TV Dinners" and, in that era, kosher TV dinners did not exist. I finally got to try TV dinners at a friend's house. I didn't feel deprived after that.

                                                                                                  1. re: embee

                                                                                                    I think you make many good points in your posts, Embee. I can see the issue from both sides. Kosher consumers, who have a limited number of restaurants to choose from, are right to be happy that any new options are available, including Subway. On the other hand, having lived in both worlds, I don't see Subway as something to get particularly excited about, and am surprised that the opening of any Subway, even a kosher one, could generate such a long and involved discussion.

                                                                                                    I'm hoping that many new kosher restaurants open in the future, with lots of interesting and healthy options, exotic ethnic possibilities, pleasing decor and good service.

                                                                                                    Having eaten at McDonalds and all of the other chains out there, I agree when you say that these foods are nothing to feel deprived about. I'm perfectly happy that I haven't had fast food in years, and am fine about my children having never tried it.

                                                                                                    (I confess, Embee, that I do rely on frozen foods more than I care to admit, even if they are not the traditional Swanson's dinners of my youth!)

                                                                                                    1. re: embee

                                                                                                      I think embee's post is one of the best assessments I've ever seen about the pitfalls of near-impossible kosher fast-food expectations.

                                                                                                      As a fellow Chowhound who also traverses the kosher and treif worlds, I'd like to throw a few additional issues into the mix:

                                                                                                      1. Kosher fast-food never seems to offer the apparent bargains of its treif counterparts. Where is the type of $5.00 combo meal that you can get at virtually any non-kosher fast-food place? Granted, all kosher food as a rule generally costs more - but not THAT much more, particularly at the level of fast-food quality. So, for example, a huge Hebrew National jumbo hot dog and soda combo costs $1.50 at Costco. Meanwhile, at the Nathan's in Los Angeles, a standard hot dog/fries/small soda combo costs (if memory serves) about $6 bucks.

                                                                                                      2. I have yet to go to a kosher fast-food joint that is actually "fast." I'm not saying I want prepared food that has been sitting under a heat lamp for hours, but there is also no sane reason to have to routinely wait 10 minutes for a burger at these places. In reality, all you are getting at kosher fast-food joints is standard restaurant speed minus the waiter, the tip and, usually, the quality.

                                                                                                      3. Are there any kosher drive-thrus? I am unaware of any, and that has become a key part of the treif fast-food dynamic.

                                                                                                      Back to the posted franchise in question, I want to point out one very positive element that distinguishes (at least the treif) Subway franchises from other sandwich shops or delis: the sandwiches are prepared right under your nose. So rather than just placing an order and hoping for the best, you can actually stand there and instruct the preparer about every single detail as your sandwich is coming together. It makes for a much more personalized interactive experience with a greatly reduced risk of disappointment, especially if you are bringing kids or aren't a low-maintenance eater yourself. That's one of my favorite things about Subway, and I hope the kosher franchises recognize how important it is for them to follow suit.

                                                                                                      1. re: Arthur

                                                                                                        Wouldn't it be great if the prices were lower, or even close to the non-kosher food? Of course. Can we (as Kosher Consumers) do much about it? Probably not, as if we stop patronizing them they will close, not change their pricing structure.

                                                                                                        Having said that, there are still "combo" type deals if you know where to look. Most restaurants do lunch combos: burger joints doing sandwich, fries drink combos or chinese doing soup, main, egg roll combos, dairy places doing half sandwich + soup combos. If you post your geo. area I'm sure that you'll get many chowhounders to point you in the direction of these kind of deals.

                                                                                                        Also, there are quite a few kosher places that have all you can eat nights. I'm sure that I've seen a thread on this site with lists of stores. Since these are self serve you can get your food quickly and usually get more than your money's worth. Again, not exactly happy meal/dollar menu prices, but at least you walk away feeling like you got a good deal.

                                                                                                        As to Kosher drive thru at FF chains - I've seen two - the Dunkin Donuts on Devon in Chicago and the Dunkin Donuts on Sunrise Highway in Valley Stream (NY). As most of the kosher places (outside of Manhattan) are usually part of strip malls or on main type streets its difficult to conceive of how they could do a drive through.

                                                                                                        Last - the prep of food under your nose - the only places you see it in kosher establishments are the sushi bars and bagel stores where everything is done at the counter. If you asked most consumers, I would bet that they would prefer to watch it being made, but I wonder - in the general populace world are there FF chains (other than Subway) where you actually see everything being made?

                                                                                              2. By the way, it's rather odd that right about the same time that the kosher Subway opened on Ave J, just around the corner someone opened a place called "Baguettoast" (or however one might spell it in English - it hasn't got an English sign up), which appears to be essentially a dairy "Subway".

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                                                                                                1. re: zsero

                                                                                                  Still haven't been in to see Subway yet, but I'm wondering, do they the Toasted at the Kosher Subway? I keep seeing the ads on TV and wonder what a Pastrami with spicy mustard would taste like if it was toasted.

                                                                                                  1. re: PapaT

                                                                                                    Yes, they do toast the bread if you want. I like it the way it is, crunchy outside and soft in the middle.

                                                                                                    1. re: MartyB

                                                                                                      Stop it - you're making me hungry and I'm at the office with a brown bag lunch ...

                                                                                                      1. re: PapaT

                                                                                                        ... and I am here in downtown Brooklyn with a can of skinless boneless salmon and some left over shalach manos junk that some of my co-workers brought in.

                                                                                                2. just went to subways for the first time have to say it is very clean and bright and more importantly the poepl who work there are effeciant, nice and fast, something that other kosher establishments seem to think are unessecary. really i felt that it was just like new deli in jerusalem and wasnt anything that amazing i happen to like new deli more.

                                                                                                  1. What kind of side dishes do they offer with the sandwiches? Soups? Any comments appreciated.

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                                                                                                    1. re: PapaT

                                                                                                      Went yesterday to Brooklyn for a shiva call, my daughter asked to go to Subways for lunch, was a big hit with her and my wife (and me too). Ordered two 12inch turkey overstuffed with the works and we also had the soup, vegtable and pea, not bad at all. Anyway here is their web site with their offerings - Enjoy!

                                                                                                      http://www.koshersubwayny.com/

                                                                                                      1. re: MartyB

                                                                                                        Thanks for the link. Now I am really ready to eat there.

                                                                                                        BTW- Has anyone tried the steak sandwich? Do they make the steak on the spot or is it precooked and warmed up?

                                                                                                    2. ok i finally went.
                                                                                                      i got the 12" roast beef on whole wheat
                                                                                                      make sure to tell them to take the fat off of the roastbeef
                                                                                                      have them heat the sandwich
                                                                                                      then i got on it, lettuce, red onion, pickles, sweet red peppers, and jalapenos,
                                                                                                      a far as dressing go, i got balsamic viniagrette and garilic mayo. i added a soda and cookie for something like $1.25 i think. the whole thing came out to be somewhere around 10 bux. it was Subsational (i know thats the other place but i had to say it)

                                                                                                      1. New Kosher Subway set to open on Water Street in the wall street area.. yea no more essex

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                                                                                                          1. re: LoveKosherEats

                                                                                                            There's an article in today's AM New York about it. Says it was supposed to open this month but delays may push the opening later into first quarter 2008.

                                                                                                            I haven't heard anything about it before this article, and based on the responses in the related top-level thread in this forum, neither has anyone else.

                                                                                                            1. re: jonahs

                                                                                                              seems as though article may be just a rumor.

                                                                                                        1. Just checked out http://www.koshersubwayny.com/ and to my surprise, I see that there is another kosher subway in Brooklyn, 937 Kings Highway.

                                                                                                          1. Supposedly there is a kosher Subway opening in New Rochelle as well, just a few stores away from the new Grill Point. Does anybody know anything more about that?

                                                                                                            1. I hope to make it to the Livingston Subway today after the gym. I'll try to post a report.

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                                                                                                              1. re: DeisCane

                                                                                                                OK, so I just got back. I haven't eaten meat at a Subway in 15 years but this was pretty much exactly how I remembered it. They could have been a little less stingy with the lettuce (and it might have been a touch expensive) but the sandwich was fresh, fast and exactly what a treyf Subway provides.

                                                                                                                1. re: DeisCane

                                                                                                                  Yesterday (12/09/2009) I received a coupon in the snail mail stating: $8 Footlong Sub or $10 Fresh Value Meal at the Cedarhurst (NY) Glatt Kosher Subway(r). Glatt Kosher under the Vaad of the Five Towns; offer cannot be combined with any other offer. Limited Time Only.

                                                                                                                  The bottom of the coupon mentions www.valpak.com

                                                                                                                  interesting! I just went to the above link, keyed-in 11516 (the zip code for Cedarhurst, Long Island, NY) and found a printable coupon for BARI, the fancy cholev Yisroel dairy/fish restaurant... but no coupon for Subway (either kosher or non-kosher).