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What are other CH's calling "Savory"?

jfood Dec 19, 2006 11:07 AM

OK, time to throw Jfood under the bus a little.

The word "savory" comes up often in threads. I've seen it on latkes, quiches, etc. and was wondering what the heck people are talking about. So I'll pull a thread together. I can understand a savory stew with deep, intense flavors, but what's a savory quiche, how can latkes with sour cream be savory?

Help please.

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  1. MMRuth RE: jfood Dec 19, 2006 11:14 AM

    I think that savory generally refers to foods that aren't sweet - so a savory cheese cake would be not a strawberry cheese cake, but a gorgonzola cheese cake, if that makes sense.

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      ali patts RE: jfood Dec 19, 2006 11:28 AM

      I agree with MMRuth (that seems to happen rather a lot!) I am making 'savoury' biscuits at the moment - those that aren't sweet that I will eat with cheese/pate. (ok some are a little sweet but not enough to call tham 'sweet' biscuits). Also savoury muffins with bran. In my eyes, if it isn't sweet it must be savoury.

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        morebubbles RE: jfood Dec 19, 2006 11:30 AM

        Salty, not sweet.

        It's just a way to distinguish from something sweet, like a sweet custard pie you may have for dessert, as opposed to a quiche with seafood, for instance (which normally doesn't call for sugar). There are the usual (sweet) muffins, quick breads or scones, & then there are savory ones which could have cheese, ham, sundried tomatoes, olives, etc in them (little or no sugar).

        1. RShea78 RE: jfood Dec 19, 2006 11:37 AM

          I have associated the term "savory" with meat dishes like stews.

          Once I looked it up I found the word to be interesting.


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            HillJ RE: jfood Dec 19, 2006 11:40 AM

            Sometimes I use the word savory to describe a mouth feel. Preference over sugary texture, layer of sweetness etc.

            Example: This holiday, some 40 dozen Rugelach later, I broke sweet (jams, sugars) and savory (cheese, nuts, herbed) in half and wrapped a mix.

            1. Tee RE: jfood Dec 19, 2006 02:44 PM

              I agree that savory means "not sweet".
              Jfood, if you are an American, as am I, therein lies the problem.
              It has been my experience that the English (and Aussies) use the term savory frequently and we Americans do not.
              I once lived in Austraila and remember well my first grocery experience pondering a package of savory biscuits.....

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                ali patts RE: Tee Dec 19, 2006 03:20 PM

                I'm thoroughly interested - if you (Americans) don't use savoury to mean 'not sweet' 1)what do you use it for? 2)What do you use to mean 'not sweet'?

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                  The Engineer RE: ali patts Dec 19, 2006 03:29 PM

                  1) I've heard it used as a synonym for delicious. 2)I can't think of an exact match.

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                    MVNYC RE: ali patts Dec 19, 2006 04:31 PM

                    I am american and use it to mean not sweet.

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                      sll RE: MVNYC Dec 20, 2006 07:55 AM

                      Me too.

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                      julesrules RE: ali patts Dec 19, 2006 05:38 PM

                      Well I think people just generally say, "not sweet". I'm Canadian, I didn't say savoury growing up, but picked it up from a roommate. When I met my DH he had no idea why I kept saying "savoury" (usually at breakfast time looking for something at the coffee shop that wasn't sweet). He eventually concluded that 'savoury' meant "with cheese or spinach" because that's what I usually ended up with.

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                        coll RE: ali patts Dec 20, 2006 10:27 AM

                        1) Used negatively more as a character reference, like "unsavory personality" 2) "not sweet"

                    3. Infomaniac RE: jfood Dec 19, 2006 03:21 PM

                      Not to be confused with Savory the seasoning.

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                        Sherri RE: jfood Dec 19, 2006 04:12 PM

                        For breakfast, my husband likes sweets while I prefer savory. That means his biscuits/scones/toast will have jam or cinammon sugar while mine will include parsley, chives, smoked salmon or cheese instead.

                        For sweet, think sugar and spice.
                        For savory, think herbs and tart.
                        His breakfast cheese choice would be cream cheese sweetened with something while my cheese of choice would be Cheddar, Monterey Jack and unsweetened.

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                          Steve RE: jfood Dec 19, 2006 08:50 PM

                          There are two ways I use the adjective:

                          Full of flavor.

                          Salt-based as opposed to sugar-based. It alway gets me when a new place opens up serving crepes, and they have only one batter, whether it be for dessert or the main course. So if you order banana and fudge or ham and cheese, it's the same crepe. My god, can't these people take even the tiniest effort? If their specialty is crepes, they should at least be able to offer both sweet crepes and savory crepes.

                          1. C. Hamster RE: jfood Dec 19, 2006 10:14 PM

                            Though generally used to refer to something that is not sweet, savory is also a descriptive term for our fifth sensation of taste, which is called UMAMI.

                            UMAMI is not sweet/salty/sour/bitter but a different sensation altogether having to do with our perception of glutimates on the palate.

                            Read more about it http://www.umamiinfo.com/

                            Or google Umami or go to Amazon and look at some of the new Umami cookbooks.

                            1. jfood RE: jfood Dec 20, 2006 12:13 AM

                              OK GUYS.

                              Three cheers for helping me out. I now have a great idea on what Savory means or should I say I understand what it's anti-definition is.

                              Thanks to all.

                              1. Will Owen RE: jfood Dec 20, 2006 04:40 AM

                                My tastes run to savory over sweet. In practical terms, this means that given the choice between a piece of pie or cake for dessert and a third helping of mashed potatoes and gravy, I would probably choose the latter.

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                                  Fleur RE: jfood Dec 20, 2006 07:35 AM

                                  The term "savory" is usually used to describe dished that are not sweet. "Savory" is also an herb, and a term used to mean tasty.

                                  1. RShea78 RE: jfood Dec 20, 2006 12:35 PM

                                    Food for thought!

                                    aromatic herbs


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