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best organic/bio/natural wines from france

gastrognome Dec 12, 2006 06:43 AM

Greetings people.

I will be in Paris for a day this January and want to stock up on a few bottles.

I am partiuclarly interested in natural/unfiltered red wines, and RM Champagnes.

As far as what styles of red, im not that picky, I like a wide range, not real keen on strong oak flavours. I like versatile wines that go with a wide range of foods.

Any suggestions?

  1. froggio Dec 16, 2006 04:01 PM

    Prices at Galeries Lafayette or Lavinia in Paris are pretty high. I've found that buying from the estate is almost always the best deal possible (I live in NYC at the moment). You can also find some good deals in small wine shops outside Paris.

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      gastrognome Dec 12, 2006 03:08 PM

      RicRios, i
      Thanks for the tip but im actually living in South Africa. Are the prices high in Paris though?

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      1. re: gastrognome
        RicRios Dec 12, 2006 04:39 PM

        I usu. find retail prices for french wine in California considerably lower than in France.
        It could be also due to our sales tax being much lower than their VAT.

        But on the other hand, a Baccarat stem purchased in Baccarat's flagship store Place de la Madeleine costs about half the price you pay at Neiman Marcus.
        Go figure!

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        h2o Dec 12, 2006 03:05 PM


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          RicRios Dec 12, 2006 02:36 PM

          Buyer beware! Most, if not all, producers listed in the above posts are already available in the US. And you'll be surprised to find in many cases prices in US are lower than in Paris. Not to mention the hassle of schlepping all that glass.

          1. hotoynoodle Dec 12, 2006 02:09 PM

            pierre morey, chapoutier, trapet, tollot-beaut, dme. leflaive, dme. leroy for still; fleury and sousa for champagne. also from alsace dme. zind-humbrecht and marcel deiss, but those are whites, as is nicholas joly from the loire (the father of bio-dynamic, btw.)

            you will find more whites than reds being farmed biodynamically.

            laws in the eu for organic and bio-dynamic are much different than here, and many producers simply opt out of the labelling hassles. less than 3% of burgundy growers are registered as bio-dynamic, although many domaines are following what is called "sustainable farming".

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              gastrognome Dec 12, 2006 03:10 PM

              thanks for the suggestions. Certification is no big deal to me. The actual methods of the farmer/producer is what excites me not the label.

              1. re: hotoynoodle
                froggio Dec 15, 2006 05:15 AM

                I don't want to be picky but the father of bio-dynamy is Rudolf Steiner who died in 1925. Nicolas Joly, a great winemaker, is an early convert, 1984. I would also mention Didier Dagueneau in Pouilly-Fumé, 1992.
                In red, i can think of Domaine de Trévallon. Here is a link where you can find most of biodymany producers:

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                  hotoynoodle Dec 15, 2006 11:26 AM

                  steiner est le grandpere. ;) he didn't get much traction.

              2. SanseiDesigns Dec 12, 2006 07:39 AM

                If you are looking for biodynamically farmed wines, take a look at what Lalou Bize-Leroy is doing in Burgundy. She makes some fantastic wines. Of course, her legacy is DRC, so she has a track record.

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