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  <id>349147</id>
  <title>Utimate Kalbi/Galbi Recipe needed!</title>
  <published_at>Thu Dec 07 19:20:45 -0800 2006</published_at>
  <post_count>23</post_count>
  <board>
    <id>31</id>
    <name>Home Cooking</name>
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      <post>
        <level>0</level>
        <id>2079192</id>
        <content>I've been making galbi for awhile now but I usually order it already marinated from our best Korean market because hers is just so much better than mine. But this weekend I have been asked to bring galbi to a potluck event for a group of Korean families. I am not Korean, so I can't just use my family recipe and it would just feel wrong not to make it myself.

I put soy sauce, ginger, kiwi, Asian pear, green onion, garlic, mirin, raw sugar, pepper, salt and sesame oil in my marinade and it is good, it's just not as good as hers! 

I'm looking for any advice or recipes you can offer. Maybe my ratios are off or perhaps I'm missing a key ingredient. I'm willing to try anything!

TIA!
Kate</content>
        <published_at>Thu Dec 07 19:20:45 -0800 2006</published_at>
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        <user>
          <id>19937</id>
          <name>Kater</name>
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    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>2079951</id>
      <content>I use rice wine instead of mirin , it should be sweet enough from the sugar.  the rice wine has a specific taste that i like in my kalbi.

My recipe uses green onions, garlic, soy sauce, sesame oil, sugar, black pepper and rice wine.</content>
      <published_at>Thu Dec 07 22:14:13 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>2079192</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>12484</id>
        <name>MVNYC</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>2</level>
      <id>2081574</id>
      <content>Thanks - I just returned from the store with some rice wine.</content>
      <published_at>Fri Dec 08 15:25:51 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>2079951</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>19937</id>
        <name>Kater</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>2080225</id>
      <content>Will that travel well and is there a grill or were you going to cook before? I was at a party last Friday and a Korean neighbor brought a huge platter of ChapChae. People descended on that like vultures and I was one of them. The donor owns a Korean Restaurant and was very surprised I knew the name of the dish and  had made it in the past. Yummy stuff. She had her chef make it but it is not difficult at all and was really appreciated.</content>
      <published_at>Thu Dec 07 23:38:28 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>2079192</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>10285</id>
        <name>Candy</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>2</level>
      <id>2081571</id>
      <content>I am concerned about how well it will travel, but my assignment is very specific. Someone else is making Chapchae and I agree that it is the PERFECT potluck dish. It is fabulous at room temperature and I've found that everyone, particularly children, loves it! 

My plan is to grill the kalbi at home just before we depart and to bring a disposable chafing dish (it is a very casual event) to try to keep it warm. I would prefer to serve it on a platter but I'm afraid that it will be too cold to enjoy.</content>
      <published_at>Fri Dec 08 15:24:57 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>2080225</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>19937</id>
        <name>Kater</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>2080277</id>
      <content>3lbs. beef short ribs, cut into 3/8" slabs or flanken.
Marinade
1/2 C. Soy sauce            2tsp. toasted sesame seeds
1/4 C. pure sesame oil      2-4 cloves, garlic, minced
1/4 C. sugar                salt to taste
2 green onions, minced      1/4 tsp. pepper
Combine soy, sesame oil, sugar, garlic, sesame seeds and pepper in a saucepan. Heat till sugar is dissolved. Cool.Add green onions.  Make sure all bone fragments have been washed from flanken, sinew and fat trimmed. Add beef and marinate at least 4 hours to overnight in fridge.I use my Food Saver cannisters. Faster. BBQ using charcoal is the best.</content>
      <published_at>Thu Dec 07 23:55:29 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>2079192</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>11540</id>
        <name>mochi mochi</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>2080303</id>
      <content>use equal amounts of granulated sugar, soy sauce, and sesame oil (for about 4 pounds of short ribs) and mix well. add 6 cloves crushed garlic, 1 bunch of green onions cut on a bias (1 inch in length), pepper to taste and about 1/4 cup toasted sesame seeds. and then the secret ingredient: one bottle of Cola. 

That's right. Cola. But it's gotta come from the glass bottle, usually found at Mexican/Latino shops because it's made with sugar cane, NOT corn syrup. 

The acid in the soda tenderizes the meat (the kiwi in the recipe i used to use disintegrated the meat) and the sugar adds flavor. 

Sounds odd, but my mother learned it from a friend of hers and showed it to me. I refused, but learned better.</content>
      <published_at>Fri Dec 08 00:03:31 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>2079192</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>20572</id>
        <name>wasabi</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>2</level>
      <id>2081579</id>
      <content>OK, I'm fascinated by your recipe, but I don't think that I am going to have the opportunity to seek out the glass bottled Coke in time to start my marinade. I will absolutely try it in the near future!!!</content>
      <published_at>Fri Dec 08 15:27:45 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>2080303</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>19937</id>
        <name>Kater</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>3</level>
      <id>2084161</id>
      <content>oh for the 4 pounds of meat, i usually use one cup of sugar, soy, and sesame oil. the quality of oil is key, and my consistent fave is Kadoya. do let me know how it turns out for you!</content>
      <published_at>Sat Dec 09 05:45:41 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>2081579</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>20572</id>
        <name>wasabi</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>2</level>
      <id>4435678</id>
      <content>i usually use a dark soda(never root beer) with sagogi dashida, minced onions, carrots, soy sauce, and sesame seed oil. try it, i learned it from my half sister(she's Korean)</content>
      <published_at>Fri Feb 20 09:00:35 -0800 2009</published_at>
      <parent_id>2080303</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>268415</id>
        <name>bobmarleychef</name>
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    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>2081902</id>
      <content>Doesn't the marinade have goguchang (sp?) in it?</content>
      <published_at>Fri Dec 08 17:04:47 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>2079192</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>43893</id>
        <name>C. Hamster</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>2</level>
      <id>2081985</id>
      <content>When I make bulgogi, I put gojuchang in but that's been an improvisation and the recipes I've found don't include it. When I looked for galbi recipes none of them included it so I'm afraid to add it and make an inauthentic dish.</content>
      <published_at>Fri Dec 08 17:22:41 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>2081902</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>19937</id>
        <name>Kater</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>2</level>
      <id>2084164</id>
      <content>no gochujang in kalbi. but you can use it in a myriad of other marinated meat dishes. try adding half a cup of gochujang to sugar, sesame oil, and soy (about 1/2 cup each as well). a handful of toasted sesame seeds and sliced white onions goes into the  mixture and  massage this into some thinly sliced pork. let it marinate for a few hours or overnight and sear it/grill it on super hot surface. killer with nothing but white rice.</content>
      <published_at>Sat Dec 09 05:47:35 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>2081902</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>20572</id>
        <name>wasabi</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>2082034</id>
      <content>No, gojuchang is definitely not added to kalbi or bulgogi.  There is a pork dish that uses it.

Try adding about 1/2 onion, grated to the marinade.  Also, a soy sauce such as Kikkoman should be used, not any Chinese brands.</content>
      <published_at>Fri Dec 08 17:36:04 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>2079192</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>45940</id>
        <name>Shazam</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>2088899</id>
      <content>Thank you so much for all of the advice. I also got some coaching from the owner of the market. I was very pleased with my kalbi, and although I made a huge quantity it went very quickly!

I didn't have a chance to find the coke, but on the advice of the market owner I used Sprite! I made sure that I had good Korean soy sauce and I bought some rice wine. Oh and I also used a little bit of honey, which was another tip I got from the market.

So all told I used: soy sauce, Korean raw sugar, Korean soy sauce, sesame oil, Sprite, rice wine, garlic, green onion, sesame seeds, black pepper, honey and one Korean pear. 

I was really happy with the outcome but I want to try to Coke version. I was shocked at the  proportion of sugar, but my 'dry run' using an amount of sugar that seemed sensible to me was a real flop! So if anyone is making this for the first time, YES you really do want to put all that sugar in there!</content>
      <published_at>Mon Dec 11 16:17:55 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>2079192</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>19937</id>
        <name>Kater</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>2</level>
      <id>2090012</id>
      <content>Ah yes, Sprite.  One of my mother's friends used it in her kalbi.  That takes me back.</content>
      <published_at>Mon Dec 11 20:56:09 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>2088899</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>45940</id>
        <name>Shazam</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>2</level>
      <id>3058382</id>
      <content>That is EXACTLY how my mom makes it with the KIWI and the COKE well Sprite now that Coke isn't sweet enough.  That is the authentic Korean style.  My mom learned from her mom and wayyy back.  PERIOD! WOW...i thought I was the onyl one! :D </content>
      <published_at>Mon Oct 22 23:39:06 -0700 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>2088899</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>136795</id>
        <name>susanjpak</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>2090534</id>
      <content>I love kalbi, never made it though. Your marinade sounds really good.  Would you mind posting the proportions you used with the meat amount? Thanks.</content>
      <published_at>Mon Dec 11 23:10:14 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>2079192</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>13427</id>
        <name>Ora</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>2</level>
      <id>2090766</id>
      <content>As you've read, it wasn't hard to make and it always goes over really well. Now that I've successfully made my own, I won't be ordering the marinated stuff from the market anymore. 

Possibly the most difficult thing is to find the meat, if you don't have a Korean market nearby. The cut is called flanken, and it's cut across the ribs. For this party I actually use the boneless version and ordered special quality meat. But for outdoor picnics I love to serve the flanken cut because you can use the little cross sections of bone kind of like a handle.

I had about 10 pounds of meat and here are approximate quantities:

2 cups good soy sauce
1&amp;1/2 cup sugar (I was told that Korean sugar or brown sugar is traditional)
1/2 cup honey
1/2 cup good sesame oil
1/3 cup sprite
1/3 cup rice wine
10 cloves garlic
1 bunch green onion
1 Korean pear (pulverized in processor)
A good tablespoon black pepper
handful sesame seeds

I marinated it for just about 24 hours and was very happy with the result. The meat was very tender, but not falling apart. It stayed very juicy on the grill, it was a little bit sticky on the outside, and the flavors had penetrated the meat nicely.</content>
      <published_at>Tue Dec 12 00:18:36 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>2090534</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>19937</id>
        <name>Kater</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>3</level>
      <id>2098537</id>
      <content>Sounds very good indeed, thanks.  I must try this soon.  Would someone care to post the marinade for the BBQ version as well??</content>
      <published_at>Thu Dec 14 04:30:16 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>2090766</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>13427</id>
        <name>Ora</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>2091132</id>
      <content>This is for braised kalbi, not the BBQed one. I actually prefer this to the BBQ. This is a great recipe. He even talks about aging his shortribs as well.

http://www.xanga.com/thousandthdish/521563700/item.html</content>
      <published_at>Tue Dec 12 02:20:59 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>2079192</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>10763</id>
        <name>Miss Needle</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>2</level>
      <id>2091856</id>
      <content>use a mixture of sprite and coke... not too much coke otherwise the phosphoric acid will break down the meat more than you want... similar to what pineapple/papaya will do to the meat</content>
      <published_at>Tue Dec 12 10:12:21 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>2091132</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>21236</id>
        <name>Danimal n Hustler</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>2</level>
      <id>2092012</id>
      <content>OH - I also notice that he washes the beef. I was urged to wash my kalbi before marinating it to get the 'blood taste' off of it. I am in the habit of washing poultry but never beef - but I did perform that step since it seemed to be important to the spirit of the dish even if it doesn't really affect the end result!</content>
      <published_at>Tue Dec 12 13:39:15 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>2091132</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>19937</id>
        <name>Kater</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>3</level>
      <id>2092483</id>
      <content>You should wash it anyhow just to remove stray pieces of bone.

If there's any Canadians here, Loblaw's (Real Canadian Superstore) sells the ribs in the proper cut.</content>
      <published_at>Tue Dec 12 16:14:56 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>2092012</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>45940</id>
        <name>Shazam</name>
      </user>
    </post>
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