346178 Mon Nov 27 23:42:52 -0800 2006 85 20 Tristate Region 0 2051034 Anyone have any suggestions for really good burgers in Lower Westchester. Looking for casual eat in (not upscale steak places) and/or take out. Thanks. Mon Nov 27 23:42:52 -0800 2006 48135 laylag 1 2051277 Piper's Kilt - Mill Road/White Plains Post Rd. - Eastchester Stew Leonard's (not sure if the stand is open during the winter months) Tue Nov 28 01:10:08 -0800 2006 2051034 13701 Dim Sum Diva 2 2074792 Short of going to Corner Bistro in NYC, Candlelight 1st., Pipers Kilt 2nd and 3rd would be Tara's on Midland Avenue in Yonkers. I just went there by accident looking for another place. Wed Dec 06 14:44:51 -0800 2006 2051277 57779 WestchesterFoodie 3 3212073 I also recommend Tara's on midland Ave in Yonkers. I've been going there since I was a kid and the burgers are always great. Sun Dec 16 05:19:37 -0800 2007 2074792 12144 CeeBee 1 2051396 Dim Sum Diva, have you been to Piper's Kilt lately? I went to An American Bistro (good burgers, not great) in Tuckahoe and on the way saw a few restaurants where I 'think' Piper's Kilt was. Did they leave or did I have the wrong spot? Tue Nov 28 01:51:57 -0800 2006 2051034 11104 dolores 2 2051484 Dolores, you're thinking of the 2 restaurants further up on the block. The Kilt is still there. Tue Nov 28 02:22:05 -0800 2006 2051396 24576 MRS 1 2051406 If you are willing to go to White Plains, there was a good thread on burgers there a while ago... http://www.chowhound.com/topics/333531 Tue Nov 28 01:55:42 -0800 2006 2051034 28696 i_eat_a_lot_of_ice_cream 1 2051481 I love the burgers at City Limits (2 locations in White Plains: Central Ave. and Westchester Mall). I am a former veg and now need these once per week! Tue Nov 28 02:20:17 -0800 2006 2051034 56100 janet.gillespie 1 2051536 Don't bother with any other place.... Hit up Piper's Kilt... its SOOOOOO good! juicy, flavorful meat.. and if you ask for a medium rare, you get medium rare, not burnt to a crisp disgustingness!!! good french fries too! appetizers are also very good (nachos)! it tends to get busy on the weekends so try to go on a weeknight! Tue Nov 28 02:45:22 -0800 2006 2051034 49705 MikiLovesSugar 1 2052403 Piper's Kilt on Rt 22 in Eastchester. Bacon Cheddar burger is great. Tue Nov 28 15:28:00 -0800 2006 2051034 10732 JMF 1 2052411 Candlelight Inn, Central Ave, Scarsdale. Great, unpretentious, cheap. Tue Nov 28 15:32:35 -0800 2006 2051034 20525 Lisa M 2 2053230 I can't believe the Candlelight Inn is still there! I used to go there years ago (in the '60s). I grew up in Yonkers. I loved that place. I'm definitely going when I next get back to visit. Tue Nov 28 19:43:27 -0800 2006 2052411 18825 Summerfield 3 3208278 Me too, grew up in Edgemont- went as a teen! Fri Dec 14 11:30:40 -0800 2007 2053230 46420 yeshana 1 2052594 Thank you, MRS. Yes, these two were right near Mill Rd. Cool, glad to hear Piper's Kilt is still there. Yes, Lisa M, Candlelight Inn is good, very good in fact. I have yet to make it to Squire's in Briarcliff, but that isn't lower Westchester. Tue Nov 28 16:42:32 -0800 2006 2051034 11104 dolores 1 2053208 Piper's Kilt . . . hands down! There's also one on the west side of the Bronx at 170 W. 231st Street. Try the cheddar burger . . . so juicy and the cheese is soft and melted just right. Tue Nov 28 19:37:12 -0800 2006 2051034 16787 kaycee 1 2056515 I heard that Blazer is suppose to be wonderful, but it's a distance from where I live in Fleetwood. I'll have to give it a try one of these days . . . then I can fairly judge how it stacks up against Pipers! Wed Nov 29 21:33:30 -0800 2006 2055675 16787 kaycee 1 3222999 I second the Blazer but wouldn't consider it lower westchester. Perhaps that is why more have not mentioned it. Wed Dec 19 13:47:44 -0800 2007 2055675 144394 hudsonvalleyfoodblog 1 2055878 lyndawgs, I mentioned Blazer but the poster was looking for Lower Westchester. I found American Bistro on a par with Piper's Kilt. However, I haven't been to Piper's Kilt in a long while. I would say my next favorite to Blazer was Candlelight Inn. Wed Nov 29 18:18:06 -0800 2006 2051034 11104 dolores 2 2055891 Where is Blazer??? Wed Nov 29 18:22:51 -0800 2006 2055878 14216 Marge 1 2055899 Purdy's, I believe, which is adjacent to Somers on Route 22 in NY. The Blazer Pub Route 22 Purdys, NY 10578 (914) 277-4424 It's Northern Westchester. Wed Nov 29 18:26:27 -0800 2006 2051034 11104 dolores 2 4372621 And IIRC is cash only. But very good stuff. Fri Jan 30 08:42:36 -0800 2009 2055899 151970 Jon1856 1 2574316 No first hand experience, but I've heard good things about Gordy's in Bronxville/Chester Heights. Anyone else? Wed May 16 09:47:23 -0700 2007 2051034 99012 Dangerspoon 2 2574966 Let's not forget about Porter House on Mamaroneck Ave. in White Plains. And the sliders at Morton's during "Bar Bites" (happy hour). I've even had a good burger at the bar at Willet House in Port Chester. Wed May 16 12:33:40 -0700 2007 2574316 13701 Dim Sum Diva 2 2581955 Gordy's is a good burger, although I usually go for other items when I am there. I personally don't think it's as good as Pipers Kilt or the Candlelight, but it's fairly close. I wouldn't go out of my way to get there, but if your nearby it's more than OK. Fri May 18 12:19:01 -0700 2007 2574316 13479 jth 1 2593816 Horsefeathers!!! Tarrytown. Tue May 22 20:01:54 -0700 2007 2051034 97137 annrudy 2 4129476 Decent burger, but man, do they need a better bun. Sun Oct 26 04:56:04 -0700 2008 2593816 18608 sixelagogo 1 3189594 Could anyone tell me if Candlelight Inn is crowded at lunch (I always see mentions of there being long waits at dinner)? Was thinking of trying it out tomorrow at around 12:00, but don't want a long wait since our 2 small kids will be with us. It's my husband's birthday, and he wants a burger for lunch (plus he LOVES wings). Other places on the short list are Piper's Kilt and Larchmont Tavern (which was mentioned in another thread). Thanks. Fri Dec 07 18:39:03 -0800 2007 2051034 10205 valerie 2 3190988 I'm answering my own question here. We went to Candlelight Inn for lunch today. Got there around 12:30. There was a party of 3 ahead of us. It took only about 5 minutes for us to get a table, which was good. As for the burgers, they were great! Cooked perfectly and really tasty. I had a tuna melt (didn't want a burger since we are going to Peter Luger tonight). Was good, not great, not melted enough. But the tuna itself was good. I did have several tastes of my husband's and daughter's burgers, though, and I am looking forward to returning to have a nice one of my own. Oh, and my husband also had some wings, which he really enjoyed too. He's still full so it's a good thing we're not eating dinner until 8:45. Sat Dec 08 13:49:12 -0800 2007 3189594 10205 valerie 2 3191235 Went once on a weekend - can't recall if Sat. or Sun. but it was about 3pm and we waited an hour. I can't imagine it could be better at lunchtime but maybe if you go early. One note if you go - if you order the wings, ask for well done/crispy. Ours were tasty but we didn't know to ask for them crisp and they weren't. Sat Dec 08 15:42:03 -0800 2007 3189594 48135 laylag 1 3189786 With all respect to Piper's Kilt ( I believe this has been overdone already, please) there are others with great burgers...Joe's Quarry Inn for one in Tuckahoe on Marbledale Ave. creates one that will compete with the best; the burger (big) at Artie's on City Island Ave., City Island, is to be reckoned with (available at lunch and dinner); and the burgers at B4 in Valhalla are among the best, in my opinion... Fri Dec 07 20:54:25 -0800 2007 2051034 141554 gutreactions 2 3190075 Are they? The burgers at B4, that is? I read about the one with the fried egg, I mean. I've dying to try it. Sat Dec 08 05:04:26 -0800 2007 3189786 11104 dolores 3 3190143 delores, they do have the big burger with the fried egg at B4, and actually it first showed up on the menu when B4 was owned by the guys from Le Jardin du Roi in Chappaqua...I believe they still offer it at lunch up there too... Sat Dec 08 06:10:07 -0800 2007 3190075 141554 gutreactions 4 3190195 I really like the burgers at Sam's of Gedney Way in White Plains. They serve them with crispy frizzled onions, mmm. American Bistro in Tuckhoe has a good burger too.The last time we ate at The Piper's Kilt we decided that the burger experience wasn't worth the poor quality of the other food. Porterhouse also makes a good turkey teriyaki burger served with grilled vegetables. Sat Dec 08 06:55:41 -0800 2007 3190143 57253 lucyis 5 3214529 The American Bistro burger is pretty good. Not as good as the Pipers Kilt in its heyday, but I think Pipers Kilt had sunk a bit on my last two visits (which were last spring.) Mon Dec 17 05:27:59 -0800 2007 3190195 10732 JMF 3 3192148 We really, really disliked the burgers at B4. 4 of us each tried a different one, and we thought they were dry and salty. We were really disappointed. With burgers the star of their menu (a whole page of choices!), they really aren't allowed an off night with them. I wouldn't try the burgers again-- though we like the other food fine. Sun Dec 09 05:35:47 -0800 2007 3190075 28696 i_eat_a_lot_of_ice_cream 4 3192246 Hmmm, I thought I just saw here that B4 has pomegranate martinis and my eyes perked right up, but now I can't find it. At any rate, I was gearing up to try B4 tonight but based on what you're saying, ieatalotoficecream, it sounds like second thoughts are in order. *sigh* I hope Blazer's gets back in shape soon. Well, there's always Gordo's. Sun Dec 09 07:09:24 -0800 2007 3192148 11104 dolores 5 3193124 Dolores, please report back if you do go. I hope it was a fluke. I too was really excited to try the burgers after reading the review from the Times. And the place is really cute... (desserts are expensive tho!) Sun Dec 09 14:13:10 -0800 2007 3192246 28696 i_eat_a_lot_of_ice_cream 1 3207697 Try the Porter House on Mamaroneck Ave in White Plains. Fri Dec 14 08:47:34 -0800 2007 2051034 77504 Kobe 2 3207872 I second that Kobe. I had a fabulous burger there. Fri Dec 14 09:36:24 -0800 2007 3207697 48135 laylag 3 3208928 Have you tried James Joyce's burgers? I think they are superior to Porter House's, although PH does a decent job. What ever you do DON'T get a burger or buffalo burger at Lazy Boy. I asked for a rare burger and I got a patty charred on the outside and still frozen inside. Fri Dec 14 14:19:03 -0800 2007 3207872 69165 Wizzapizza 4 3209418 Will have to try James Joyce. Thanks for the warning on LazyBoy Wizzapizza - frozen patties are a big thumbs down. You know, I just noticed that I actually started this thread over a year ago - before I went to PH and I still haven't made it to the popular choices of Blazer's and Piper's Kilt. Gotta get to those. Fri Dec 14 17:48:56 -0800 2007 3208928 48135 laylag 5 3209901 Blazer's had a fire recently. I hope they've reopened. Sat Dec 15 02:44:41 -0800 2007 3209418 11104 dolores 6 3210166 I believe that Blazer's is scheduled to open some time in the middle of January. Sat Dec 15 07:55:21 -0800 2007 3209901 108703 Zobot 4 4309052 I'm trying to decide between porter house, lazy boy, james joyce, and black bear. any thoughts on the best burger out of these few? Thu Jan 08 16:09:56 -0800 2009 3208928 255441 bullsonparade23 5 4316022 James Joyce hands down. Second place isn't on your list, but it would be Brazen Fox. I haven't tried Black Bear's, but it is more of a chain-y restaurant so I would be surprised if they were above average, but I guess it is possible. Porter House and Lazy Boy have these flat burgers that are suspisciously uniform in appearance. And, whatever you do, don't get the buffalo burger at Lazy Boy. I had it once rare and it came out charred on the outside and FROZEN in the middle. It is a shame, because Lazy Boy does other dishes well (for a bar). You won't go wrong with James Joyce. It is not Corner Bistro/ Piper's Kilt, but it is the best in White Plains by a few lengths. Sun Jan 11 09:46:46 -0800 2009 4309052 69165 Wizzapizza 6 4383022 Have you tried Emma's yet. the better half is raving about it. Tue Feb 03 06:43:48 -0800 2009 4316022 173075 martyl9 5 4319788 I have not had James Joyce or Black Bear's burgers, but between Porterhouse and Lazy Boy, I'd definitely go with Lazy Boy. I think the biggest problem I've had with Lazy Boy is the burger is almost always overcooked. Porterhouse, in my opinion, makes some of th worst food in Westchester. Mon Jan 12 14:44:00 -0800 2009 4309052 165800 jhopp217 1 3210138 I'm always searching for a good burger and I agree that Pipers Kilt is overrated - their burgers are good but the fries and everything else is mediocre and the wait for a table is ridiculous. I also like Horsefeathers in Tarrytown. River City Grill in Irvington has a good burger - but it's pricey. If I go to Candlelight - I always prefer the wings. Sat Dec 15 07:45:53 -0800 2007 2051034 150204 demifast 2 3210529 Wait, they don't have the hot dogs anymore????? As to burgers, I'm very happy with Squires in Briarcliff. Very. There's also Gordo's. Thanks Zobot for the update. Sat Dec 15 10:36:57 -0800 2007 3210329 11104 dolores 1 3210435 Since everyone is giving you places all over, the best burger I've had recently is in a place a quarter mile outside of Port Chester in Byram CT, Burgers Shakes and Fries. It's been open since the summer and is the best, absolutely terrific! Sat Dec 15 09:56:11 -0800 2007 2051034 69388 Jim P 2 3210772 Agree. BSF is very good. There have been a couple of threads on them - here's a relatively recent one: http://www.chowhound.com/topics/454669 Sat Dec 15 12:31:58 -0800 2007 3210435 11120 adamclyde 2 3213500 Yes, BSF has its own thread and is very good. I didn't post after we went there as so many others had but now, given another chance I'll add that we enjoyed it very much. Unfortunately, seating is not great - there is some but it's counter style and not the kind of place you'd hang out for any amount of time beyond eating your very good food and talking to the very friendly owner. Sun Dec 16 16:26:43 -0800 2007 3210435 48135 laylag 1 3816883 Joe's Quarry Inn quietly has better burgers than Piper's Kilt, which has the rep, but not the quality/dining?experience Thu Jun 26 14:25:26 -0700 2008 2051034 28463 halfbreedgolf 2 3820922 Where's Joe's Quarry Inn? Fri Jun 27 19:36:49 -0700 2008 3816883 87737 pobo 3 3821204 Marbledale road in Tuckahoe, right off of Fisher. Basically the Eastchester/Tuckahoe border. Hint: Skip the burger. Get one of the entrees with some of the delicious sides or try one of their specials. Prices might seem a little steep, but the portions are very large. If you like spinach or broccoli rabe, they make it chock full of garlic. You smell it coming out of the Kitchen! Fri Jun 27 22:44:49 -0700 2008 3820922 165800 jhopp217 1 3823098 I had a burger at Stew Leonard's food stand and found it mediocre. It reminded me of the burgers I use to get at my school cafeteria. The fries were very good though. Sat Jun 28 20:36:57 -0700 2008 2051034 204847 ultimate warrior 1 3853696 Piper's Kilt has been a favorite for years, but the Tap House in Tuckahoe is a close second: get a burger with goat cheese for a change of pace. Wed Jul 09 14:26:27 -0700 2008 2051034 22720 sdavey 2 4321511 Piper's Kilt, always has a good burger, you know what you go there for.(probably #1) Had a good burger the other day, during the football games at Brazen Fox, which I was surprised. I had a burger in the beginning months at the Taphouse, which was pretty good, been there recently, not so good, just ordinary...maybe you where tasting the goat cheese instead of the burger. I think I'll stick with the Kilt when I'm craving a burger. Tue Jan 13 07:12:48 -0800 2009 3853696 247007 wonka 3 4321613 Piper's Kilt hasn't been getting good reviews lately. Have you been recently? http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/575226 Tue Jan 13 07:40:13 -0800 2009 4321511 15910 debmom 4 4321915 I saw some stuff a few weeks ago; but I did make it there pretty recent. It still was a good burger, at first I wasn't to sure if I should go. Have to say, I'm glad I went back. I wouldn't be going back to some of the other burger spots. Tue Jan 13 09:04:11 -0800 2009 4321613 247007 wonka 1 4321707 AJs Burgers on North Avenue in New Rochelle is good and their hand cut fries are amazing! Tue Jan 13 08:08:34 -0800 2009 2051034 249230 ChowMuch 1 4373709 I'm surprised no one has mentioned Kelly's Sea Level in Rye on Midland Avenue. Haven't been there in a while, but the burgers have always been great. Fri Jan 30 13:27:25 -0800 2009 2051034 179020 huevosverdes 2 4376074 I was just there Thursday night for the first time in 30 years. Burgers are good, but could be greasier, in my opinion and the onion rings were excellent. My husband had the special hot dog (can't remember what it was called) and it was excellent - it had chili and all sorts of toppings. Sat Jan 31 14:57:07 -0800 2009 4373709 87737 pobo 3 4376195 Death dog, I think? Sat Jan 31 16:06:20 -0800 2009 4376074 91796 chowdom 1 4382612 i used to love pipers kilt just like everyone else but my past couple of times werent very good, a friend of mine a burger FANATIC told me about this new place in new rochelle called AJs Burgers....possibly the best burger i've eaten in a long time ... along with awesome fries...comparable to the pomme frite fries in the city Mon Feb 02 22:47:28 -0800 2009 2051034 262785 russ10 2 4382806 We have given up on Pipers Kilt too! Where is AJs? Tue Feb 03 04:20:20 -0800 2009 4382612 15910 debmom 3 4400343 542 North Ave, NR I just did a search to research it a bit more. Interesting stuff on-line about it. Mon Feb 09 08:02:08 -0800 2009 4382806 151970 Jon1856 1 4383252 My MIL, SIL and I recently had burgers at Tap House in Tuckahoe. We all really enjoyed them. Tue Feb 03 08:03:22 -0800 2009 2051034 32905 rolise 1 4401733 We also have been disappointed the last 3 times at Pipers Kilt. But I recommend Route 100 on Central Ave. in Yonkers - had an excellent burger there this past weekend, nice atmosphere, reasonable prices and NO WAIT! Mon Feb 09 14:10:15 -0800 2009 2051034 150204 demifast 2 4458619 I just had an incedible burger yesterday in Mt. Kisco, It was at that new Irish pub that openend near the borders ( forgotten the name, but it was in the space next to where Pacific used to be) about two blocks from the diner.) The menu is noting to look at (so you may not want to go if your in a group with people which picky tastes) and the only burger they offer is "the big paddy" (a bacon onion cheese burger) but the burger was absolutely terrific! really juicy, very flavorful. Fires were great too, though I was a bit too full to eat many of them as I has spil an order of potato skins (actually more like thick cut fries) with my dining companion. The woman serving us said the place is packed at dinner time though so you may want to make this a lunch only stop, and even then be patient as the service is rather slow (me and the person I was with were the only diners in the place at the time, and it still took thirty or forty minutes for our order to arrive) Fri Feb 27 13:32:50 -0800 2009 4401733 24492 jumpingmonk 3 4458854 I'm not too familiar with Kisco (and don't know where the diner is or where Pacific was). Can you describe the location a little more? What street? anything else nearby that could help me get an approximate address? I'd love to go there next week. Fri Feb 27 14:40:27 -0800 2009 4458619 11120 adamclyde 4 4459415 Okay, to my suprise I was able to wokr out the adress of the place without remembering its name (It suddently occured to me that, closed or not pacifics adress was still online) Pacific was at 222 Main street so this place is at either 220 or 224 (it's all one complex) if you can fin you way to the Borders (the main street side, not the side with the parking lot , Its about a block and a hlaf south of that, directly across from a Seafood resturaunt called the Fish Cellar (warning though the Fish Cellar is below ground level, so you wont see it unless you are looking for it.) If you see the diner or Lefteris (a Greek place) you' ve gone too far. Oh and the place where Pacific was is now a Tiger Shomans Karate studio so if you see that your there (you actually migh want to turn by there since the entrance to the parking lot is on that side of the complex.) UPDATE I looked in and I found the name, its called O' Connors Public House. Apparently they've got a branch in Brewster too at Towne Center (Route 22 & 312) 1620 Route 22. Fri Feb 27 18:22:27 -0800 2009 4458854 24492 jumpingmonk 5 4460551 JM; Many thanks for taking the extra-steps. Sat Feb 28 09:39:31 -0800 2009 4459415 151970 Jon1856 6 4460569 No prob, I'm just sorry you never got a chance to visit Pacific. Man, did they make a good West Lake soup. Then again looking at the adress O'Connors may in fact be in the same space so it may be a "have your cake and eat it too situation" Sat Feb 28 09:46:10 -0800 2009 4460551 24492 jumpingmonk 1 4464324 For me this is rather bad form but I still have to ask: Has anyone ever been to Nat's in Elmsford? I must have driven by it 100's or 1000's of time and have read the sign claiming that they are the best Burger in Town. And they are just up the street from Pete's among other places. I just drive by at all the wrong times-for me at least. And I know of no one else who has been there either. Yet it seems to be still in business. And yes I do tell myself every time I drive by that I just have to stop there some day and try it out.... Sun Mar 01 18:59:53 -0800 2009 2051034 151970 Jon1856 2 4464379 I had a burger at Nat's in January of '90. It was OK. On the large side, as I vaguely recall, but otherwise unremarkable. Sun Mar 01 19:27:43 -0800 2009 4464324 138298 rpk 2 4465668 I was always very curious about this place. Seeing that for me Squire's is the best burger anywhere I had to try Nats. So I took my nine year old about six months ago. The burger itself was nothing special at all, but more importantly I felt the place was very dirty and dumpy looking. Wont go there again that's for sure. How are the burgers at Pete's Saloon? BridgetC Mon Mar 02 09:07:00 -0800 2009 4464324 137202 BridgetC 3 4466286 very dirty - kept an eye out for crawling bugs. Burger was nothing to even mention. Fries were good and their famous onion ring square was ok. Definitely not a place to go back to. Mon Mar 02 11:40:11 -0800 2009 4465668 46420 yeshana 4 4466344 Yeshana: Your comment is about Pete? If so, just how did they sink so fast and badly? Mon Mar 02 11:52:51 -0800 2009 4466286 151970 Jon1856 5 4467338 no nat's. I haven't been to pete's saloon in years but would based on their reputation , my past experience(good) and the full rooms they always have when I drive by. Nat's needs the clean up.-inside and out! Mon Mar 02 16:15:13 -0800 2009 4466344 46420 yeshana 5 4467340 just to be clear. Nat's is the dirty reference and pete's is the favorable reference.I agree with BridgetC about Nat's! Mon Mar 02 16:16:27 -0800 2009 4466344 46420 yeshana 6 4467485 LOL ;>D Thanks for the update-Understood. Still have to wonder the who, what, how and why about Nat's. It has been there for over 30 years it seems. Hummmm.. Mon Mar 02 17:01:36 -0800 2009 4467340 151970 Jon1856 2 4467869 went there years ago ,even then they advertised best burger- it wasn't , was ok ,but nothing special, it was funny even back then, there was a greek run "village deli", very run down inside, but everything was fresh and he cared about the food, he actually had the best burger around elmsford, still miss him Mon Mar 02 19:14:23 -0800 2009 4464324 71745 rich51 2 4469282 Haven't eaten at either one in probably 5 years. I hate cliches, but don't judge a book by it's cover. Nat's burger, while far from the best in any county, was far better than the burger at Pete's. And actually could be classified as very good, while Pete's was terrible. The same could be said for service. Pete's, IMO was the poster child for what not to do. Oddly it was crowded, but then again, that could have been the 20-30 wait from the time we sat down and ordered drinks and actually got them. Tue Mar 03 09:58:26 -0800 2009 4464324 165800 jhopp217 3 4470145 I eat at Pete's every now and then and I am always underwhelmed. The burgers are mediocre. And the floor always seems sticky. I don't understand the crowds - must be related to the general lack of any quality casual places in this county. Tue Mar 03 13:31:37 -0800 2009 4469282 150204 demifast 4 4470205 I went to Pete's in order to see a few bands. Food just happened to be there ;>D And jhopp-you may be correct about the cover. I think I must have first seen Nate's when I was very young and the look/image of it just stuck in my mind all these years. As for quality casual places, in that area at least, when I go out I go to Mina's down the road from both. Took my Mom to place next door, Pumpernickes, and she enjoyed it. GF and I loved the Persian place on 119. Tue Mar 03 13:44:35 -0800 2009 4470145 151970 Jon1856