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  <id>341414</id>
  <title>Top Steak in NYC</title>
  <published_at>Thu Nov 09 21:53:05 -0800 2006</published_at>
  <post_count>69</post_count>
  <board>
    <id>18</id>
    <name>Manhattan</name>
  </board>
  <posts>
    <post>
      <post>
        <level>0</level>
        <id>2009747</id>
        <content>Here's my 3 favorites which are yours?

1.  Gallaghers

2.  Sparks

3.  Peter Luger's</content>
        <published_at>Thu Nov 09 21:53:05 -0800 2006</published_at>
        <parent_id></parent_id>
        <user>
          <id>14634</id>
          <name>netmover</name>
        </user>
      </post>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>2009770</id>
      <content>Keen's</content>
      <published_at>Thu Nov 09 21:57:56 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>2009747</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>24925</id>
        <name>chow_gal</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>2009878</id>
      <content>I am a fan of The Strip House</content>
      <published_at>Thu Nov 09 22:31:35 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>2009747</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>13035</id>
        <name>bobby06877</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>2009912</id>
      <content>Sparks (best sirloin)
Peter Luger's (best in NY)
Keen's steakhouse</content>
      <published_at>Thu Nov 09 22:39:29 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>2009747</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>49184</id>
        <name>marleneca54</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>2009939</id>
      <content>Del Frisco's

Sparks

Morton's</content>
      <published_at>Thu Nov 09 22:49:38 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>2009747</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>14274</id>
        <name>Angelina</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>2009960</id>
      <content>Folks-

This is the Manhattan board, discussion of Peter Lugar in Brooklyn is off topic for this board.

You may want to consider reposting this query on The Best Of board, which would cover all of the boroughs.

Thanks.</content>
      <published_at>Thu Nov 09 22:56:03 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>2009747</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>2</id>
        <name>The Chowhound Team</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>2</level>
      <id>2009996</id>
      <content>ok sorry, you are absolutely correct!  I hearby substitute my Peter Luger vote for Smith and Wollensky.  Love that truffled mac n chz too!</content>
      <published_at>Thu Nov 09 23:11:44 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>2009960</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>14634</id>
        <name>netmover</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>3</level>
      <id>3866499</id>
      <content>I called yesterday and they don't serve mac and cheese! I am so mad because I love mac n cheese and I see it it on the menu at every other location. Anyone know why NYC doesn't serve it?</content>
      <published_at>Mon Jul 14 06:32:36 -0700 2008</published_at>
      <parent_id>2009996</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>76968</id>
        <name>steakrules85</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>2016355</id>
      <content>I don't know why I love this topic and can opine for hours.  Have to say, that I've been eating at NYC steakhouses for 20 years, and miss Christ Cella's the most...Favorites are:
The Palm (only the original)
Ben Bensons
Wolfgang's (on a mellow night)

Have to say the absolute worst or the new pretenders is Frankie Johnnie's garment district, atrocious at best.</content>
      <published_at>Mon Nov 13 02:40:59 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>2009747</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>52803</id>
        <name>lorenlpw1</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>2016360</id>
      <content>I am partial to the prime grill -</content>
      <published_at>Mon Nov 13 02:44:19 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>2009747</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>11622</id>
        <name>weinstein5</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>2016675</id>
      <content>Since you said top steak in NYC not steakhouse.  My overwhelming favorite is the steak at Per Se.  Easily the best steak I ever had.</content>
      <published_at>Mon Nov 13 06:32:14 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>2009747</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>50328</id>
        <name>tpigeon</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>2</level>
      <id>2017253</id>
      <content>Can you elaborate further? I'd love to hear about it, just in case I ever make it there and am forced to choose ... what cut of meat? Anything unusual about the preparation?</content>
      <published_at>Mon Nov 13 16:56:26 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>2016675</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>21820</id>
        <name>Kanger</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>3</level>
      <id>2135702</id>
      <content>it is Wyagu (austrialian version of kobe) the waiter told me they only get it about 5 times a year so I lucked out.  You can't miss it btw, it is an extra $100 for a six ounce steak but it was amazing.  BTW I am not a fan of Kobe steaks in general.</content>
      <published_at>Fri Dec 29 02:15:01 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>2017253</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>50328</id>
        <name>tpigeon</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>4</level>
      <id>2136503</id>
      <content>Actually, what you refer to is Wagyu beef, which is what Kobe is.  Kobe refers to area in Japan (Kobe is the capital of Hyogo Prefecture).  Wagyu is the type of cattle.  Kobe Beef in the US is mislabled and is like the Bermuda Onion...IT NEVER GETS EXPORTED.  So any place that tells you you are eating Kobe beef is incorrect.  What they are serving you is "Kobe-style" beef.</content>
      <published_at>Fri Dec 29 14:14:40 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>2135702</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>13556</id>
        <name>LVI</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>5</level>
      <id>2136578</id>
      <content>I think you need to revisit Kobe Beef. Wagyu has been imported from Japan again for the past couple of years. One place that does it very well is Megu's. If you still think Wagyu is the cheap US imitation, you've been missing out for quite some time.</content>
      <published_at>Fri Dec 29 14:53:58 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>2136503</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>48753</id>
        <name>vision20</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>6</level>
      <id>2172482</id>
      <content>Not a question about visiting or re-visiting.  My point is that 99.9% of Kobe beef is being mislabeled.  It is "Kobe-Style", which for all arguments is simply (and as you pointed out, most delicious!) Wagyu beef.  I know it is a matter of semantics but to label beef "Kobe" is wrong. 

"Most Kobe Beef today is bred and raised in California and Australia.  For example, Harris Ranch in California is contracted with beef producers in Kobe to breed and raise their cattle in California, where land and grain is relatively inexpensive.  The cattle is raised and fed under the exacting specifications for Kobe Beef.  When the cattle is almost ready for slaughter, it is shipped to Kobe, Japan, where its feeding is completed, and the cattle is slaughtered."</content>
      <published_at>Wed Jan 10 12:25:05 -0800 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>2136578</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>13556</id>
        <name>LVI</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>5</level>
      <id>2171136</id>
      <content>Kobe beef from Japan is now being imported to the US. There was a ban on it over a USDA concern about mad cow - the ban has been lifted.</content>
      <published_at>Tue Jan 09 23:44:15 -0800 2007</published_at>
      <parent_id>2136503</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>13339</id>
        <name>blackbookali</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>2016978</id>
      <content>Spark's

The Strip House

Del Frisco's</content>
      <published_at>Mon Nov 13 15:10:33 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>2009747</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>24971</id>
        <name>Todd</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>2075946</id>
      <content>Any good Argentine or Nicaraguan steakhouse in NYC?</content>
      <published_at>Wed Dec 06 19:52:09 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>2009747</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>14634</id>
        <name>netmover</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>2</level>
      <id>2076019</id>
      <content>Azul--Lower East Side--great Argentinian place.  Do a search and look for BobMartinez review--he turned me to this place and I am ever grateful.</content>
      <published_at>Wed Dec 06 20:08:40 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>2075946</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>18667</id>
        <name>abu applesauce</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>3</level>
      <id>2076144</id>
      <content>"Do a search and look for BobMartinez review--he turned me to this place and I am ever grateful."

Christmas is coming.  A bottle of good brandy makes a lovely gift.  

OK, I'm kidding.  A good deed is it's own reward. :-)</content>
      <published_at>Wed Dec 06 20:43:28 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>2076019</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>10162</id>
        <name>Bob Martinez</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>2076409</id>
      <content>Sparks and Strip House...by far!</content>
      <published_at>Wed Dec 06 21:52:38 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>2009747</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>57611</id>
        <name>zar212</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>2</level>
      <id>2076524</id>
      <content>I'm going to The Strip House on Dec 18th when I'm back in NY for the holidays, with a bunch of my high school buddies.  Any recommendations as to what to order other than the traditional steakhouse fare?</content>
      <published_at>Wed Dec 06 22:19:19 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>2076409</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>42328</id>
        <name>globlamega</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>3</level>
      <id>2078702</id>
      <content>The lobster bisque is really good if you are into that. The cucumber and tomato salad, sounds a little boring, but is actually quite nice as well. Definitely going for the traditional strip ...most amazing salt "crust" and you cant have that with out the cream of spinach. I think the goose fat potatoes are no big deal..kinda like a big hash brown...opt for fries or sauteed mushrroms instead.</content>
      <published_at>Thu Dec 07 17:36:35 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>2076524</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>57611</id>
        <name>zar212</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>2076570</id>
      <content>The goose fat potatoes are a great side and the immense chocolate cake is terrific.</content>
      <published_at>Wed Dec 06 22:26:31 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>2009747</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>14880</id>
        <name>Desidero</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>2</level>
      <id>2076682</id>
      <content>Thanks, done deal. I'll try them both. I usually have to have a choc dessert after steak or heavily garlicked italian fare anyway.</content>
      <published_at>Wed Dec 06 22:53:09 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>2076570</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>42328</id>
        <name>globlamega</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>2076654</id>
      <content>It really depends on the type of steak you want.

NY Strip-The original Palm. 

Porterhouse-Wolfgang's downtown, otherwise go to Brooklyn.

Filet-Who cares?  Actually a filet pan seared at the Palm is great.

Steak au Poivre-Raoul's

Steak Tartare-Balthazar

Skirt Steak-Landmarc</content>
      <published_at>Wed Dec 06 22:46:20 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>2009747</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>15970</id>
        <name>sushiman</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>2076700</id>
      <content>I love steak - wish I could afford it right now...

In my opinion:

1) Palm Too - you can't beat a classic, I grew up here

2) Frankie and Johnnies (garment district)- I had an absolutely fantastic steak there, I'm not sure what the person above had, but everything was great, including the salad and hash browns.

3)Mark Joseph - its in a remote spot, but the steak for two was great.

4) Steak tartare - Blue Ribbon bakery market - so good, with delicious homemade waffle chips...</content>
      <published_at>Wed Dec 06 22:58:30 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>2009747</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>24402</id>
        <name>Jenna28</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>2076710</id>
      <content>BLT (the original)

Le Steak</content>
      <published_at>Wed Dec 06 23:01:24 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>2009747</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>23758</id>
        <name>Withnail42</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>2076966</id>
      <content>1. Luger's 
2. Gallagher's
3. Sparks</content>
      <published_at>Thu Dec 07 00:30:05 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>2009747</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>55832</id>
        <name>Johnleah</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>2076984</id>
      <content>BEN AND JACK'S STEAK HOUSE
WOLFGANG'S
SPARKS
I WOULD POST PL'S BUT I MIGHT UPSET THE CH TEAM.</content>
      <published_at>Thu Dec 07 00:34:36 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>2009747</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>11512</id>
        <name>FAL</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>2077365</id>
      <content>I'd go with The Knickerbocker on University as the porterhouse is fabulous (the steak for one is enough for 2), the side dishes are far better and more varied than at a traditional steak place and you have so many other choices on the menu.</content>
      <published_at>Thu Dec 07 03:12:24 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>2009747</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>18941</id>
        <name>tsiblis</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>2077557</id>
      <content>Keen's
Palm Too 
Smith &amp; Wollensky Grill

Honorable mention:
Hanger Steak @ Les Halles</content>
      <published_at>Thu Dec 07 04:58:05 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>2009747</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>21566</id>
        <name>tbear</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>2077573</id>
      <content>I second MarkJoseph.  Much easier to get into than Luger's and you can't beat the bacon 'appetizer' and the porterhouse for 2-3.  Unfortunately, as with most NY steakhouses, wine markups are appalling, but that's par for the course.  Or go to Keen's and get the 'mutton' chop.</content>
      <published_at>Thu Dec 07 05:14:15 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>2009747</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>41591</id>
        <name>snaporaz</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>2079728</id>
      <content>Sparks has the best NY strip I've ever had.

I hear Butcher Bros. is great too. Anyone been?

Also Bull and Bear. Have heard great things. 

NYC is the best in the world for steak!!!</content>
      <published_at>Thu Dec 07 21:22:48 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>2009747</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>23656</id>
        <name>surfer dude</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>2081202</id>
      <content>tad's.  JUST KIDDING!  has anyone been to craftsteak?</content>
      <published_at>Fri Dec 08 08:05:00 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>2009747</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>13880</id>
        <name>jungirl</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>2083415</id>
      <content>I've been to the one in Vegas. Not as good as Sparks or as fun as Keen's IMHO. We compared the grain and the grass fed beef, and grass won hands down!</content>
      <published_at>Fri Dec 08 23:28:54 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>2009747</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>23657</id>
        <name>MichaelG</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>2083666</id>
      <content>Sparks by a mile</content>
      <published_at>Sat Dec 09 01:13:12 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>2009747</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>14558</id>
        <name>Ernie</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>2083684</id>
      <content>Can't fault Sparks and Strip House as top choices.  Here's another very good PL facsimile - Ben &amp; Jack's on E44th St near 3rd Ave - almost good enough to make you forget the original....</content>
      <published_at>Sat Dec 09 01:17:58 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>2009747</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>21352</id>
        <name>Ben</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>2135374</id>
      <content>Any good places that do not charge an arm and a leg?  Good steak=great price formula in the NYC?</content>
      <published_at>Thu Dec 28 23:49:48 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>2009747</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>14634</id>
        <name>netmover</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>2</level>
      <id>2135637</id>
      <content>This question comes up from time to time.  Here's a recent post: http://www.chowhound.com/topics/350999?query=steak&amp;user_name=
My favorite affordable steak is at Azul Bistro.</content>
      <published_at>Fri Dec 29 01:44:59 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>2135374</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>10216</id>
        <name>Lucia</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>2135377</id>
      <content>Having tried all the top steak places in NYC (Peter Lugers, Keens, Palm, Sparks and so on...), without a doubt BLT Prime.</content>
      <published_at>Thu Dec 28 23:51:38 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>2009747</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>16248</id>
        <name>heart2eat</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>2136495</id>
      <content>Where is this 'blue' bistro...and what's so good about it?

There has to be some decent affordable beef in the city that never sleeps, no? I am definately not looking for horse meat!!!  Preferably graded 'Choice' and not 'Select' which can be dreadful at best unedible at worst...I am also very partial to steaks served with sauce, ala French or Greek etc.  Sometimes the country speciffic restaurants have great inexpensive steaks on their menus that wouldn't make you think of them in a steak thread , but are most worthy of mention.  

Taverna OPA, (Greek from FLA is about to open or maybe they already did? in NYC), has a phenomenal Ribeye in a Lemon sauce for just $18!!!

That would be an example of what I am in search of. Please dig down deep into your secret chowhound treasure chests!</content>
      <published_at>Fri Dec 29 14:10:47 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>2009747</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>14634</id>
        <name>netmover</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>2136916</id>
      <content>We were a group of six last night at The Knickerbocker (which I posted about previously) and everyone was thrilled by their T-bone steak (the one for one is fine for two people).  Many people don't think of The Knick as a steakhouse (it's much, much more), but that makes it better as it's versatile and the side dishes are delicious.  Plus it's in the Village, takes (and honors) reservations.  It's less pricey and less of an ordeal than most dedicated steak houses I've been - certainly as good or better.</content>
      <published_at>Fri Dec 29 16:33:35 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>2009747</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>18941</id>
        <name>tsiblis</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>2138536</id>
      <content>Herewith is Fukhed's definitive NYC Steakhouse Guide:

* - weak
**- average
*** - fine quality, recommended
**** - Luger's


Benjamin's - another in a long line of Luger's off-shoots they're currently serving the best Porterhouse in Manhattan.  Very tasty creamed spinach &amp; well=done hash brown potato all Luger's quality. Located on E41st (park/mad). (***1/2)

Blair-Perrone on 2nd ave and about 47th-48th served a fine porterhouse and excellent bacon a few weeks ago. Impressive debut - will keep close tabs on this one.  Another Luger's offshoot (***)

Morton's - do not go to this chain garbage while in NY - go next time you're in a mall in Minnesota. (*)

BLT Steak on E57th - one of the best steaks (Strip) i've had. fine atmosophere and very good tuna tartare.  great hen of the woods mushrooms and potato sides are quality. (***)

BLT Prime on E22nd was a dissapointment, but perhaps it was just that i went on a busy saturday nite. (**)

Ben &amp; Jacks on E44th - another luger off-shoot - good porterhouse - fatty bacon.  interesting room. (**1/2)

Capital Grille E42nd - against my grain to give a chain a good ranking, but despite NOT serving prime beef, this place delivers a quality steak (try the kona rub strip), fresh fish, and across the board goodness.  the steak sandy at lunch is a good gouging.  Best service in NYC for those that give a spit. (**1/2)

Wolfgangs Park Ave - this german does it right.  Luger's quality porterhouse and sides + gustivino tile ceiling, a nice touch.  Lines are long at dinner. Strong player.  Have not tried downtown yet. (***1/2)

Smith &amp; Wollensky - since this is the original, i'll give them a pass on their ongoing expansion.  still a fine NY steakhouse     with a grand wine list.  Ribeye is the best cut - served cajun style.  The grill is a good option - but no cheaper. (***)

Gallagher's W52nd - if only the steak was as good as the vibe, decor, and general being of this NY institution.  But why quibble - still a great time and a quality, if not stellar strip.  I implore you to get the hamburger - perhaps the best in the city.  (**1/2)

Strip House- Excellent. High marks from top to bottom.  Steak (porterhouse or Strip), fish, salads, drinks, decor, goose fat potato, etc.  A consistent player that has not lost the eye of the tiger. (***1/2)

Michael Jordan's Grand Central - this is not a sports bar, but a highly competent steak house owned by the same folks that own Strip House.  Damn fine strip steak and sides - quality across the board in the most beautiful building in NYC. (***)

Pietros E43rd - a bit down on its heels and showing its age.  apparently the next generation has not taken over.  its a shame because this is old skool NYC.  I have given up on the steak and now order Italian here.  (*1/2 for the Steak - ** for the Italian).

Ruth's Chris - if this chain is still in NYC - avoid it like the plague - steak and everything else sucks. (ZERO Stars)

Del Frisco's - OK, so this Texas transplant can serve up quality, but for some reason, i always feel like i'm being hustled here.  Super pricey and just too Texas for my liking. (**1/2)

Dylan Prime Tribeca - one of the best all-around steakhouses in the city - top notch food across the board - above average steak (***)

Palm West 50th - good for a business lunch if your directly in the neighborhood, do not go out of your way. (**)

Bobby Van's Park Ave 46th location - at one point, i believed that this was the best steahouse on the island - but over time, i've taken a more pessimistic view.  They keep expanding - last count there were at least 3 of these in NYC, also - they are priced even beyond the most expensive of all steak houses - they've pushed the envelope on price -and i for one say NO.
Overall quality and consistency remains high. (***)

Craftsteak behind chelsea market - one of the biggest fraud's perpetrated on the NY steak fiend.  they are ripping people off with this grass fed, corn fed, waygu several ways, etc nonesense.  big money backers are gonna lose their dough.  is this dump still open?  none of that grand gritty taste that the best properly charred prime steak delivers. do not go and do not waste your hard earned money.  you do not slow cook properly aged prime beef.  (*)


i'll go deeper on the above and add more in the future.

- F'Hed</content>
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      <content>wow F'Hed...nice run down, thanks!  

I notice you didn't mention the old homestead when you ventured into Chelsea?  Is it not worthy of mention, or have you not been (which I find unlikely with the impressive list above).  Isn't OH the oldest in NYC?  Or one of them anyhow?

I would also be very interested in hearing about Steaks you recommend that are not from Steakhouse per se.  

And what's with Gallaghers?  You seem to have a beef with the beef?

Where does Sparks rank?  

Also, I am not sure I overstood your charred comment well.  One of things I absolutely detest, is having that charred gritty taste ruining my perfectly good cut of beef.  Usually, it means they're done on the griddle or flattop.  I am down with the concept of cooking at high heats and sealing in the juices, but who wants that nasty 'charred' read 'burnt' taste throughout every bite of their bleeding prime beef.

Thanks again for some excellent input!</content>
      <published_at>Sat Dec 30 15:24:52 -0800 2006</published_at>
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      <content>Great rundown!  What about Sparks or the Palm on 2nd Avenue?  

I'm looking for new (for us) Birthday steak place - we've been to Gallaghers, Strip, M.Jordan, Keens, BLT Prime.  Husband was interested in Palm - but thinking that is better for a lunch these days.</content>
      <published_at>Tue Jan 02 22:05:21 -0800 2007</published_at>
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      <content>Thanks for sharing that comprehensive list.

I went to Dylan Prime Thursday night with 4 friends... it was steak x 5.  I had the rib-eye, medium-rare, charred with the foie gras butter chapeaux.  The steak was cooked to perfection, and delicious.  I have never finished a 14oz steak in a single sitting, but it was so tasty and juicy... too good to stop.  

For dessert, we ordered 2 of the Dylan Prime Chocolate &#8220;Porterhouse&#8221; for Two, which was Red Velvet &#8220;N.Y. Strip,&#8221; with a dark chocolate coat, Frozen Mousse &#8220;Filet,&#8221; with a milk chocolate coat and a White Chocolate Bone.  It was huge!  The 5 of us couldn't finish the 2 orders.  This dessert not only looked good, but was delicious.
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      <published_at>Mon Jan 19 19:10:18 -0800 2009</published_at>
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      <content>What about Keens? I find it tops for ambiance, steak, and sides. For steak exclusively, I think Spark's is #1. Fukhed, your posting was impressively informative, but leaving out the two greatest steak houses in NYC shows a glimpse into your preponderance for smoking marijuana. Nothing wrong with that, but I just wanted to point out the obvious. Thanks.</content>
      <published_at>Sun Dec 31 03:32:43 -0800 2006</published_at>
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      <content>I'd think one would really have to like throwback type dinners to enjoy Keens.  My dinner there was barely a notch up from Tads.  You know it's a bad sign when they're serving those frozen dinner rolls you heat up.  I found their steak to be overcooked and a tough piece of fatty supermarket grade meat.  The sides were were very no thrills in my opinion.  I was actuallly scared to eat my NY Strip because it had a dark reddish hue like you get with a very tough unedible piece of meat. I'd think this would appeal to someone looking for a very old fashioned meat and potatos type meal, but it doesn't justify the price or history of the place.  I read reviews that made this sound like a can't miss steak,  but we sent our meal back.</content>
      <published_at>Wed Jan 03 00:20:49 -0800 2007</published_at>
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      <content>Dear Hounds,


* - weak
**- average
*** - fine quality, recommended
**** - Luger's


I decided not to review Sparks as i have not eaten there in 3 odd years.  Last i was there, my sense was that they increased the size of the room so much that quality suffered.  I will make it my business to get back over there for a re-evaluation.

Keens is classic old school.  I strongly recommend their roast beef hash and apple pandowdy in the pub.  The Steak is good for sure, but i would caution against getting too attached.  i had a one month run where i ate there at least 10 times and have not been back since.  I'll give them (**) stars for the food and another * for the pipes on the ceiling and the pandowdy.

Regarding my beef with Gallaghers - i have no beef but don't think  that their beef stacks up with the best in the city.  You gaze in awe at that wonderful steak locker up front and the  
care and effort they put into their dry aging -but the steak comes up short.  as i posted earlier - their burger is perhaps the best in the city.  To all the slavish mutts that can utter nothing but "Shake Shack, Shake Shack, Shake Shack" - go to W52nd, get the  burger, and write me.  By the way, if by chance you go to see a show at roseland, i stongly suggest drinking at G's beforehand.  They'll give you a bowl of the finest housemade potato chips you'll find on this island.  One final note, they've opened a Gallagher's in the  American Airlines terminal at Newark Int. Airport (EWR) - what's that all about?  How the flip can i cut into a sirloin with a plastic fork?

Old Homestead - a young fukhed was burned with a subpar meal here 15 or so years ago and he never forgot it.  Their longevity is clearly a plus and they deserve another crack - i'll give 'em one soon, tho not in the AC (Borgata) location.... (rating suspended for now)

Frankie &amp; Jonhnie's -how can 2 restaurants located a mere mile from one another offer such a different experience?  The broadway location is an all-time classic that i do not frequent enough. Fine steak in perhaps the best steakhouse atmosphere in the city - upstairs, cramped, smokey (steak not cigs) - man i need to get back here in a hurry.  On the other side of the ledger is their W37th st location - a dismal room both upstairs and down with food to match.  Simply a losing affair that i'll tell you to avoid at all costs.
W45th/Broadway - (***)
W37th st - (*)
Rye &amp; Hoboken - no opinion

keep eatin the red meat y'all.

-F'hed</content>
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      <content>Went to Strip House on Dec 18th with my High Scool Buddies and liked it. Hillary Swank was two tables away (she sat next to me @ Madeo's once also...could she be stalking me??). Anyway, it was very good but very expensive, even for a steakhouse.  NY strip $51 (ala carte like in all steakhouses but still).  Anyway, the goose fat potatoes were very good, and all other sides were typical. Nothing blew me away except the meat, and the incredible HUGE choc cake at the end for dessert. The room was dark and sorta sexy with a mixed crowd and it was packed. We waited 35 min past our 8:30 reservation time.  That pissed me off a little but overall it was very good. The tomato salad app had a very cool presentation (it was a tower type thing) and I stole some of my buddies shrimp cocktail and they were huge and the sauce was great.  Thanks for all your recommendations as to what to order from my earlier post.  Oh yeah, the fries were excellent.</content>
      <published_at>Thu Jan 04 03:40:41 -0800 2007</published_at>
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      <content>Doesn't anyone else go to The Knickerbocker for steaks?  They're delicious, well priced - and the creamed spinach is excellent, as is everything.</content>
      <published_at>Thu Jan 04 13:44:28 -0800 2007</published_at>
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        <name>tsiblis</name>
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      <content>FWIW, binkis' run down of steakhouses:

* - weak
**- average
*** - fine quality, recommended
**** - Luger's

Ben &amp; Jack's (**1/2): A fine choice, but not particularly memorable.  Nothing wrong with the meal, and the meat was quite good.  But nothing to make it stand out either.  Service was mediocre.

Ben Benson's (*): Yeeks.  The service was horrendous and the meat wasn't too much better.  The place was absolutely jammed when we went, so perhaps a better experience could be had when it was slower.  Perhaps.

Del Frisco's (**): Fine, but uninteresting.

Frankie &amp; Johnnie's (***): I'm a big fan of this place.  It's very different than the others - the meat that is - and you can't beat the old-school environment and the 60-year-old waiters in tuxes.  Awesome experience.

Keens (****): I've been three times and the meat is absolutely fantastic.  Strip, Filet, Porterhouse - awesome!  And the prime rib is the best in the city.  (I don't like prime rib, but my dining partners love it.)  The atmosphere is classic old-school and the service is always good.  #1 go-to place in Manhattan.

Palm (**1/2): A decent outpost with good meat where you know what you're gonna get.  I've been 4 times, and 3 times the meat was terrific.  One time it was a bit grisly.  Sides are always good as are the desserts.  They have the skinny onion rings, which would grant them an extra 1/2 star, but they also have bathroom attendants, which loses them a 1/2 star, so it's a wash.

Sparks (*1/2): I went once and the steak was really unimpressive.  The service wasn't much better.  The atmosphere gains it an additional 1/2 star, but we did not enjoy the experience.  I realize this is a minority opinion.

Wolfgangs (***1/2): The best off-shoot I've been to.  Doesn't come close to PL (which gets ****++++ in my book), but is a good substitute that's easier to eat at (credit cards, reservations, e tc.)  The room is interesting, but I find it a bit claustrophobic with the low ceilings.  Haven't been to the new location.</content>
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      <content>Any good Argentine steakhouses?</content>
      <published_at>Tue Jan 09 23:12:25 -0800 2007</published_at>
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        <name>netmover</name>
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      <content>i went to and enjoyed Novocento years ago... no idea about it now, but i'm pretty sure it's still around. I know I liked it enough that I wanted to go back, but never made it. </content>
      <published_at>Sun Dec 16 21:10:57 -0800 2007</published_at>
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        <name>PhishFoodie</name>
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      <content>My favorite is the Strip House!  The steak is delicious, I won't eat steak anywhere else now!</content>
      <published_at>Sat Jan 13 20:32:39 -0800 2007</published_at>
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      <user>
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        <name>FoodieNY</name>
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      <id>2185736</id>
      <content>Azul is good for Argentinian...</content>
      <published_at>Sat Jan 13 20:32:57 -0800 2007</published_at>
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      <content>IMHO, i think the best steak in the city is at Gotham Bar &amp; Grill.</content>
      <published_at>Sun Jan 14 02:25:30 -0800 2007</published_at>
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      <content>I do love keen's, though i've had friends who do not share my feelings about this.  gotham does rock, too.</content>
      <published_at>Sun Jan 14 10:16:11 -0800 2007</published_at>
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        <name>luveeting</name>
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      <id>3148870</id>
      <content>Anything new out there?</content>
      <published_at>Fri Nov 23 07:26:54 -0800 2007</published_at>
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      <content>S &amp; W 's Truffled Mac &amp; Cheeze rules the steakhouse side dish scene...</content>
      <published_at>Wed Nov 28 18:59:48 -0800 2007</published_at>
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      <content>top 3- strip house, markjoseph, old homestead.  
Question- has anybody tried Primehouse? It's a new steakhouse that opened up on Park Avenue and the 20s.... </content>
      <published_at>Thu Nov 29 08:49:52 -0800 2007</published_at>
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        <name>brookeSA</name>
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      <id>3165316</id>
      <content>Buddy just went and said VERY hoohum...</content>
      <published_at>Thu Nov 29 10:22:29 -0800 2007</published_at>
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        <name>LVI</name>
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      <content>I've been to Sparks twice. The first time it was packed and we waited an hour past our reservation time to get a table. It wasn't a huge deal because we arrived a little late and were with friends and you could get a glass of wine without too much trouble in the bar.

Went last week for an 8:00 reservation and they still hadn't seated people for their 6:30 reservations. How is that possible to be THAT far off? On top of that, there was no way to even get close to the bar as the place was jammed wall to wall with people.

We left and despite the amazing steaks, would have a hard time finding a reason to go back. It reminds me of a Seinfeld episode on rental car companies. "You know how to TAKE the reservation, it's the giving the reservation where you need a little help" or something like that.</content>
      <published_at>Sun Dec 16 19:44:13 -0800 2007</published_at>
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        <name>eternalX</name>
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      <content>As far as Argentinean Steak goes...I have been to Buenos Aires on East 6th about 15 times and love it.  It isn't up there with Keens, The Palm, or Strip House...much cheaper, and pretty good.  The salads are no good.  The empanadas and chimichurri are wonderful. Try it out.  Have a glass of Malbec...or a bottle. Steak with Garlic Fries.
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      <published_at>Wed Jan 07 21:38:50 -0800 2009</published_at>
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        <name>hungry329</name>
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      <id>4307106</id>
      <content>I didn't see anyone refer to Robert's steakhouse....they have  great steaks, and was rated #1, I believe form Time out mag.-  you do have to get pass, looking at the women, and I don't know about taking Mom there.....lol.</content>
      <published_at>Thu Jan 08 08:05:14 -0800 2009</published_at>
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        <name>wonka</name>
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      <content>Wolfgangs has by far the best quality steak in the city.

What's the deal with Craftsteak?  Worth trying or overpriced?</content>
      <published_at>Wed Jan 21 11:33:59 -0800 2009</published_at>
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      <id>4345114</id>
      <content>Never been to Craftsteak but Craft is terrifico!</content>
      <published_at>Wed Jan 21 12:44:13 -0800 2009</published_at>
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        <name>steakrules85</name>
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      <id>4970137</id>
      <content>That's good to know since they are coming to Miami Beach!</content>
      <published_at>Sun Aug 23 11:06:47 -0700 2009</published_at>
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