338345 Mon Oct 30 14:02:21 -0800 2006 250 2 Los Angeles Area 0 1982339 My vote is for the house special burger at Firefly in Studio City -- bleu cheese, bacon, avocado, grilled onions. Mon Oct 30 14:02:21 -0800 2006 49913 ZippyGaelle 1 1982423 Haven't found it yet. I'm wondering though if there's a good jalapeno burger out there that does what Carl's fails to do. Mon Oct 30 14:42:32 -0800 2006 1982339 10332 mc michael 2 4114343 Have you tried Fuddruckers? I recently tried their Jalapeno burger and it was fantastic. Sun Oct 19 10:45:30 -0700 2008 1982423 183237 socaldeals4u 1 1982643 Jack's Classic Hamburgers on Riverside (between Valley Village and Toluca Lake). Currently, I'm addicted to the cheeseburger at Rick's Drive Thru in Silver Lake. And there's nothing wrong with Cassell's in K-town. (I bring my own New Mexican green chili to add to their cheeseburger.) Mon Oct 30 15:57:09 -0800 2006 1982339 15553 blacksab67 2 1982972 Cassell's is still da bomb! Mon Oct 30 17:43:58 -0800 2006 1982643 10786 calabasas_trafalgar 2 1984699 I second the Jack's Classic burger for inclusion in the pantheon of great LA burgers. Tue Oct 31 02:14:58 -0800 2006 1982643 11731 bodie 1 1982760 I love the Great Grill across from Glendale College -- the double Great with avocado, cheese and bacon. Mmmmmmmm... Mon Oct 30 16:40:48 -0800 2006 1982339 10811 Das Ubergeek 2 1983446 OK, okay, Uber. You've been touting Great Grill for a while now. I'm going there now instead of Fiesta Taco, where I've eaten every day for the past two weeks. Hope GG is better than Willie's (._. ) Mon Oct 30 19:48:36 -0800 2006 1982760 16985 Gohantabeyoka 3 1983556 Now, now, Chowhound recommendations, being subjective things, are eat-at-your-own-risk. I love the GG. And Willie's is absolutely the best thing to eat in that area (with the possible exception of the teriyaki place on Main St) -- that part of Burbank is a chow-free zone. Mon Oct 30 20:24:35 -0800 2006 1983446 10811 Das Ubergeek 4 1984195 I'm down with DU...the BUR is pretty irredeemable. and Willie's, while no King's Head, wasn't bad when I had it the other day. and to make this even more offtopic, if the teriyaki place he(?)'s talking about is Yaki's, that's one of my favorite chow-type places, albeit in a kind of Tito's Tacos love-it-or-hate it way. try the chicken Fiesta Bowl with cheese...mmm... Mon Oct 30 23:25:56 -0800 2006 1983556 10948 annagranfors 3 1986683 All right, fess up, did you go?? Tue Oct 31 21:08:35 -0800 2006 1983446 10811 Das Ubergeek 4 1987420 Mmm! Very lovingly made burger, eh, Geek? Like what a very special mom would fix for her favorite kid. Fresh and tasty. One should _nevah_ doubt the Uber man! Thanks for the rec, maang. Mmm! GTYK Wed Nov 01 01:31:28 -0800 2006 1986683 16985 Gohantabeyoka 1 1982930 I have to add the new Kobe burger at Sunset Beach, actually UV restaurant, on Sunset in Hollywood. Oh, no, it's not just a kobe beef, it's American Kobe beef stuffed with large pieces of lobster meat. It's surf and turf, but you get the delightful richness of the kobe, followed by the buttery goodness of the lobster. I'm not a huge lobster fan, but this burger really tantalizes the tastebuds. Chef Joseph is fabulous and is creating simple yet elegant and delicious items at this new restaurant. I can't wait to go back and sample more from the menu. Mon Oct 30 17:32:55 -0800 2006 1982339 13771 peanut112 1 1982948 I still vote for the burger @ Father's Office. Mon Oct 30 17:38:17 -0800 2006 1982339 10620 Xericx 1 1983087 I dream about the burgers cooked rare at SF Saloon on Pico in west LA. Going tonight! Mon Oct 30 18:10:12 -0800 2006 1982339 12268 mollyomormon 1 1983160 If you include Orange County in the Los Anmgeles Board: In the Dana Point area, on PCH, in the shopping center where Gelsons is, you can find some of the best hamburgers around. They aren't "take out", and they're not cheap, but boy are the good. Great meat, great grilling over wood burning grilles. I'm talking about the Salt Creek Grille. Their hamburgers are wonderful; so is their Portobello mushroom burger. Yeah, I know, it's not take-out and it's not cheap but if you want to try a perfectly broiled burger with any kind of topping, try these guys. I like to eat at the bar, where there are tables but no reservations. Mon Oct 30 18:37:09 -0800 2006 1982339 23583 EclecticEater 2 1989045 Has anyone tried the burger at Salt Creek Grill's Valencia location? Haven't been here but have walked by after picking up a coffee at Java N Jazz. Best coffee in SCV! Java N Jazz 24300 Town Ctr Dr Ste 103 Valencia, CA 91355-1327View Map 6612874500 Wed Nov 01 19:25:13 -0800 2006 1983160 10864 sel 3 3423014 A brief note: Java N Jazz is no more. Thu Feb 21 21:24:45 -0800 2008 1989045 10864 sel 1 1983261 two places where i get my burger fix: 1. pete's cafe in downtown for their hellman burger (don't forget an order of their bleu cheese fries as well) 2. arsenal in west la for their kobe burger Mon Oct 30 19:03:27 -0800 2006 1982339 10704 wilafur 2 4131057 I tried the burger @ Arsenal based on some reviews on the board. Maybe it was an off night, but it was dry and not very good. Mon Oct 27 01:18:14 -0700 2008 1983261 67290 TravelJack 1 1983367 The Big Mike Burger in San Pedro Mon Oct 30 19:30:33 -0800 2006 1982339 14558 Ernie 1 1983441 Tommy's chili cheeseburgers are great In-n-Out is a great fast-food burger (Animal-style, no pickles, please) Morton's makes a great burger at lunch Mon Oct 30 19:46:53 -0800 2006 1982339 13133 wakko11 2 2589148 OMG I had an in-n-out burger last summer in San Diego area and for fast food it was wonderful. For a Jersey girl, it was sooo much better than what ewe have out east. Mon May 21 13:35:37 -0700 2007 1983441 80621 Barbarella 3 2761051 Yeah, but you have the White Rose System... sigh, so many wasted nights in Highland Park. Wed Jul 18 10:18:35 -0700 2007 2589148 10811 Das Ubergeek 2 3428644 I'm pretty new to LA, but I've got to say... from what I've had nothing compares to the awesome-ness that is a Tommy's chili cheeseburger. Just simply awesome. Sat Feb 23 20:10:05 -0800 2008 1983441 168918 ScarySquirrel 3 4100709 The Tommy's chili cheeseburger is indeed iconic, but is too skimpy on the beef. Tommy's double chili cheeseburger is a better ratio, given the thick chili and onion and tomato, though they should pop for two slices of cheese. The branch in Santa Monica on Lincoln at Pico actually serves an extra-crispy big order of fries when ordered well-done -- some of the better thicker fries I've had lately. Mon Oct 13 07:19:04 -0700 2008 3428644 10855 nosh 3 4114360 I'm sure it has to do with the love for chili burgers, but honestly, if you really want to have one of the freshest, best tasting burgers in so cal, go to In-n-Out and order a cheeseburger animal style. Fresh ingredients, crisp lettuce, grilled onions, american cheese, fresh tomatoe, extra sauce, and fresh cut fries. This burger is amazing and still holds up as my favorite in socal, and I've lived here all my life. Sun Oct 19 10:50:38 -0700 2008 3428644 183237 socaldeals4u 1 1983575 Musso Frank. Mon Oct 30 20:29:26 -0800 2006 1982339 13997 2chez mike 1 1983583 Father's Office, if for no other reason than the presence of Racer 5 on tap. For the classic diner burger, I think Apple Pan is pretty unbeatable, but the relish is an aquired taste. Houston's has the best quality of meat, and they have the best buns (yeah, you heard me). Mon Oct 30 20:32:03 -0800 2006 1982339 50009 jfisidore 2 1984065 You're a Racer 5 fan? Well, bless you on your good taste! I love that beer. Mon Oct 30 22:48:32 -0800 2006 1983583 20664 therealbigtasty 3 2000285 Lucky Devils in Hollywood has Racer 5 and about 12 other well-chosen beers on tap. Their kobe burger is mighty fine! Mon Nov 06 16:12:32 -0800 2006 1984065 39879 scurvy 4 2000321 I'll check that out. Mon Nov 06 16:26:32 -0800 2006 2000285 20664 therealbigtasty 1 1983897 My favorite burger in LA? This changes depending on my mood, cravings, etc. But recently it's been the happy-hour burger at McCormick & Schmick's followed closely by the Spanish Burger at Masa (www.masaofechopark.com ) Mon Oct 30 22:05:55 -0800 2006 1982339 11583 ipsedixit 2 4100636 I frequent Masa. I am going to have to give that a try! Mon Oct 13 06:45:13 -0700 2008 1983897 13235 lotta_cox 1 1983962 I like burgers, but the Happy Hour burger at McCormick & Schmicks is straight out of a microwave. Think of an enlarged patty of a Big Mac and that's an accurate representation of the taste. Father's Office. Mon Oct 30 22:21:33 -0800 2006 1982339 22423 ChewUrFood 2 3596150 I had a happy hour burder an the El Segundo McCormick & Schmick's which we took home in a doggy bag and played hockey with the next day. It was ready for hockey when we ordered it but it was dark. Tue Apr 15 09:44:04 -0700 2008 1983962 171744 gph2os 2 4131743 I have to agree with you on the mccormick & schmicks burger, but you have to remember, you get what you pay for, and you don't pay much for that burger, so you don't get, well you know But, I have to disagree with you on father's office, this is one that you don't get what you pay for, the burger is good, but not mind blowing, it's just not all that, even with a bag of chips I had blue dahlia's rib burger this past saturday, tomato, lettuce, pickles and the house dressing........it was culinary pornography on blueray, yes sir. The burger is not all ground beef, there are some bits and pieces of rib meat about a 1/4" in size in this mother effer!!!!!!! Anyways, this currently sits at the top of my list for the best hamburger (I need to compose myself now) Mon Oct 27 09:28:24 -0700 2008 1983962 162053 fgrade 1 1983992 Beechwood! Mon Oct 30 22:28:35 -0800 2006 1982339 21341 hrhboo 1 1983993 Dino's in Lincoln Heights at Main Street & Griffin. My mouth waters at this moment. Mon Oct 30 22:29:09 -0800 2006 1982339 42572 Eat_Nopal 1 1984230 Call me downmarket - I don't care. We're talking burgers here. That said - best burger I've had lately is at Dave's. Dave's Burgers on Atlantic in the LBC. That's some juicy good eatin'. Mon Oct 30 23:36:29 -0800 2006 1982339 42538 badhomecook 2 3289441 My husband love's the burgers at Dave's. No fries, just chips. Made to order in a tiny stand at the corner of a gas station parking lot. Atlantic Ave. just north of the 405, east side of the street. Down the street from Bake and Broil. Sat Jan 12 17:53:04 -0800 2008 1984230 19735 susans 1 1984265 The burgers at 25 Degrees in the Roosevelt Hotel. Choose your cheeses and fancier toppings. The burgers are a bit pricy but so delicious and satisfying. Mon Oct 30 23:49:23 -0800 2006 1982339 50067 ladymonty 1 1984349 i think this post should be categorized into 2 topics: best gourmet burger, and best straight up BURGER w/ just some lettuce, tomato and maybe some dressing...ya know a working man's burger...just a thought Tue Oct 31 00:20:54 -0800 2006 1982339 22888 unocal 1 1984359 The Teri Avocado burger at Rascal's--yummmm! Tue Oct 31 00:24:41 -0800 2006 1982339 15379 Charmie 1 1984371 Upscale burger: Lucky Devils in Hollywood, with a toasted pecan shake to boot. "Regular" burger: In-n-Out, and a helping of fries! ~AquaW http://la-oc-foodie.blogspot.com Tue Oct 31 00:28:16 -0800 2006 1982339 11949 AquaW 2 1985007 Yes absolutely agree on the burger at Lucky Devils and the shake too! For a regular "non-gourmet" burger, just hit Apple Pan. Tue Oct 31 04:34:00 -0800 2006 1984371 11896 NAspy 2 3422237 my favorite burger of the moment is the bacon bleu burger @ lucky devils and do agree washing it down with a toasted pecan shake is the way to go! Thu Feb 21 16:05:50 -0800 2008 1984371 11827 woofer 1 1984482 Montebello Country Club Coffee Shop. 1/2 pound hamburger with all the fixins and fries $4.95. Tue Oct 31 01:02:40 -0800 2006 1982339 11914 monku 2 1984492 the burger at baby blues on lincoln Tue Oct 31 01:06:10 -0800 2006 1984482 12923 modernist 3 1985190 Can you expand on this further? I've never even seen it on the menu! what's it like? Tue Oct 31 07:43:53 -0800 2006 1984492 10620 Xericx 4 1985196 The Lasker Burger $8.95 10 OZ prime chuck w/ bleu cheese, maple bacon & lincolnberry mustard the bread is nice. bread with some crust texture. good weight. meat is charred and smokey. i thought it was pretty damn delicious. Tue Oct 31 08:16:07 -0800 2006 1985190 12923 modernist 5 1985199 wow...that sounds fantastic, i stopped going there when they started shrinking the portions down on their plates......but it looks like its time for a re-return. Tue Oct 31 08:32:46 -0800 2006 1985196 10620 Xericx 6 1986126 yeah, i haven't tried it but they added it on the menu pretty recently. and one guy was raving about it. they have also added beef ribs to the menu. Tue Oct 31 18:38:49 -0800 2006 1985199 10866 kevin 7 1986430 thanks for the updates everyone. looks like i am heading to baby blues sometime this month for a burger and some beef ribs. mmm! Tue Oct 31 19:57:31 -0800 2006 1986126 10704 wilafur 1 1984580 Medium scale: Father's Office Otherwise: In-n-Out Tue Oct 31 01:33:02 -0800 2006 1982339 12397 kel 1 1984625 Pie'n'Burger is my fave so far, with Rick's on Walnut (this is also in Pasadena) not too far behind. I want to like The Hat and Connall's, but they just don't taste as beefy as I want, though godnose they're huge enough. I have yet to get down to Cassell's, and been to Pete's only once, when I did not get a burger. As for FO, I don't care if Julia Herself appears unto me and says it's the best in the universe, I categorically refuse to set foot in a place that won't allow a customer to have exactly what he does or does not want on his damn sandwich, so there. As for In-N-Out, I think it's not quite as good as Rick's, but a heck of a lot cheaper...which helps. Tue Oct 31 01:49:34 -0800 2006 1982339 11478 Will Owen 2 1985847 I agree, screw Father's Office. If I ever went there I's smuggle in a bottle of Heinz ketchup and empty it on the burger when I got it! Tue Oct 31 17:21:50 -0800 2006 1984625 10786 calabasas_trafalgar 3 1987497 I love places that don't allow substitutions/deletions! Don't ask me why, maybe I've been on the other side of the counter for too long! Wed Nov 01 02:12:52 -0800 2006 1985847 20664 therealbigtasty 4 1988899 Maybe that's why Burger King is as large as it is today - because they adevertise that you can have your way!!!!!!! I will never go back to the "Father's Office" beause of their idiotic "NO" substitution policy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wed Nov 01 18:44:05 -0800 2006 1987497 11205 JBC 2 1989079 Will, Cassell's is a must try! I think it's worth the drive from Pasadena area. It is, like The Apple Pan, a piece of old LA burger history. Some love it, some don't. Some posters here feel that it is not what it once was but you and others here should at least try it and decide for yourself! Wed Nov 01 19:36:18 -0800 2006 1984625 10864 sel 3 1993491 I think I definitely fall into the "don't get Cassell's" category. I've gone three times on the chowhound rec (which rarely steers me wrong) and I just don't get it. Seems like a pretty average burger to me. Pie 'n burger mortons apple pan, FO all blow it away. I'd much rather have fatburger in 'n out or fudruckers. Fri Nov 03 03:33:33 -0800 2006 1989079 15570 srmorris 4 1996001 You have to look at the price/quality ratio on the Cassell's burger. It's outstanding considering it costs the same as a chain restaurant burger. I find it difficult to believe you'd take Fatburger over Cassell's. Unless you order you burger more well done, I could eat Cassell's meat raw. Sat Nov 04 00:50:28 -0800 2006 1993491 20664 therealbigtasty 5 1996927 The key to the Cassell's burger is that you have to order the 2/3 pound burger, and you have to order it rare. If your aesthetic includes squishy meat bliss, this dripping monster is heaven itself. (The kobe beef burger at Cora's has much the same effect.) Ignore all the possible side dishes except for the potato salad - the fries are a relatively new addition, and are pretty bad. I know 2/3 pound is way too much meat for a casual burger, but you don't have to eat the whole thing, and the bloody thickness of the patty is key to the effect. Sat Nov 04 17:34:31 -0800 2006 1996001 10702 condiment 6 1997053 Agree on the 2/3 lb. rare with choice of Swiss, cheddar or jack. Tried the newly added fries, they were not great/not bad just typical fast food mediocre fries. The house made potato salad with a little extra house made mayo is still wonderful! Sat Nov 04 18:37:10 -0800 2006 1996927 10864 sel 7 1997719 I agree, once I get over my hang up about cheese on burgers (for some reason I always have to get it, but suspect Cassell's is the place to not get it, as their cheese isn't spectacular). I always say to myself, "next time at Cassell's 2/3 pound, no cheese, crispy bun, a little mayo, pepper, and tomato." Never do I do it, though. I always end up destroying the huge thing with excess condiments and veggies. Sun Nov 05 01:56:48 -0800 2006 1997053 20664 therealbigtasty 8 1998641 The answer, for you, might be to order your desired burger, keep it simple and make a salad of your liking on the plate next to your burger! You have the burger that you want while still indulging in the extra stuff without overwhelming your burger! I do like the cheese (usually Swiss) on a Cassells 2/3 lb beauty but I understand your logic. When my English stepbrother is in the US and we go out for a beefburger, as he calls them, he gets meat and bun - period! That's pretty extreme for me but his influence has gotten me to use less glop on my burgers! Sun Nov 05 18:51:09 -0800 2006 1997719 10864 sel 2 2007678 The hamburgers at Pie'n'Burger are pretty good -- properly loose and rather thin, which gives the best texture IMHO. But on my last two visits the bowl of chili I ordered was so cold that it wouldn't even melt the cheese on top. I will say that some of the Pie'n'Burger waitresses are mighty cute! Thu Nov 09 02:54:56 -0800 2006 1984625 38373 Mel Gee 3 2007960 i guess in that case they're not cal tech students. just joking. but pie n burger's burgers are pretty darn good, like a very good version of an in n out burger. the pies are good to but not all, best to get peach or strawberry in season with some vanilla scented whipped cream plopped on the top. good eats for sure. Thu Nov 09 06:20:20 -0800 2006 2007678 10866 kevin 4 3295702 Yea, I have to say I thouroughly enjoyed the burger at Pie N' Nurger. It was really delicious. If I wasn't dieting I would be back really soon, instead of once I have lost a few pounds. http://www.whaleofatale.net/wordpress_restaurant_reviews/2008/01/06/pie-n-burger-hamburger-and-pie-restaurant-pasadena-ca/ Mon Jan 14 18:42:18 -0800 2008 2007960 101299 jonahlee 1 1984722 Father's Office for most unique 25 Degrees to cover lots of options Ric's Drive for something simple AND cheap Tue Oct 31 02:23:13 -0800 2006 1982339 13339 blackbookali 1 1984744 Philly West on the east side of Westwood just south of Santa Monica Blvd. Bar with TVs specializing in philly cheesesteaks, but their burger is a real find. Oblong, char-grilled with a crust and still drippy pink if ordered medium rare, served on the cheesesteak roll with grilled onions, lettuce and tomato. Only about $5, slightly more with cheese. Tue Oct 31 02:32:03 -0800 2006 1982339 10855 nosh 1 1984899 What!? A half pound burger at the Montebello Country Club? Do they cook it to order? What type of sides can I look forward to? Give me the LOW DOWN! THat place is so close I can actually THINK about walking there! I said THINK about walking . . . not actually walking there. For me, I like the bacon burger or Pastrami Burger at Pharohs. Corner of Atlantic and Garfield in Alhambra. Tue Oct 31 03:39:52 -0800 2006 1982339 14118 nrique 2 1985302 Montebello Country Club Coffee Shop Cooked to order(tell them how you want it cooked) on the grill with a side of lettuce, tomatoes, onion and pickle spear with fries. Tue Oct 31 13:20:28 -0800 2006 1984899 11914 monku 1 1984960 I second houston's, although i've been itching to try father's office for a while. Tue Oct 31 04:10:25 -0800 2006 1982339 24864 PerfectZero 1 1985118 Lucky Devils is good. BLD makes a pretty mean wagyu patty, and Hungry Cat is excellent, close to Father's Office in style and quality. Tue Oct 31 06:02:48 -0800 2006 1982339 50139 olivethegreat 2 1989118 BLD? Wed Nov 01 19:45:01 -0800 2006 1985118 10864 sel 3 1989344 short for breakfast lunch dinner - more casual restaurant opened up by the people from Grace (which also happen to have their own Burger nights). From what I can tell, 'hounds been giving it a pretty good review (as has SIV from LA Times). http://www.bldrestaurant.com/ ~AquaW http://la-oc-foodie.blogspot.com Wed Nov 01 20:53:45 -0800 2006 1989118 11949 AquaW 4 1990632 their breakfast dishes are really good. prices are exoribitant but it is high quality stuff. as for the burger, haven't tried it yet, tried the short rib sandwich with horseradish cole slaw, which is ok, a little bland, but then again I've never been a huge pot roast/shredded short rib fan. Thu Nov 02 04:47:12 -0800 2006 1989344 10866 kevin 1 1985168 My first choice for a burger would have to be My Father's Office. My second choice would be The Counter in Santa Monica Tue Oct 31 07:01:33 -0800 2006 1982339 50147 rothko67 2 2009256 I second both notions exactly. You hit it right on the head with both. Thu Nov 09 19:27:37 -0800 2006 1985168 19322 nbgaucho 1 1985182 had lucky devil's earlier tonight. very very very good burger, great quality ingredients, but you're going to pay for it. Tue Oct 31 07:33:04 -0800 2006 1982339 19403 pjsace 1 1985517 Great Working Man's/Women's Burger in the Pasadena Area.... THE GALLEY (AKA the Boat)-part of the Clearman's Chain of Restaurants (Northwoods Inn, Steak and Stein) but only in Pasadena at the Corner of Huntington Drive and Rosemead Blvd. Great oversized burger with comes with cheese, chili, secret, lettuce, tomato and a really tasty sesame bun. Get a half and half of their famous red cabbage salad and blue cheese salad with the burger. Usually there is a long line to get your food, but it moves pretty fast. Tue Oct 31 15:30:30 -0800 2006 1982339 27738 usapv 2 1985839 Yeah, forgot about this one. Sort of like a Tommy's in more friendly surroundings! Tue Oct 31 17:19:49 -0800 2006 1985517 10786 calabasas_trafalgar 1 1986222 I'm also a fan of Fathers Office's and Houston's but if Santa Monica is too far for some, go to the nearest cheescake factory and order the Classic Burger(medium)with swiss,ask for a side of arugula and bbq sauce, make sure to spread some of the garlic dip that comes with it on to the upper bun,then a very small amount of bbq and few leafs of arugula. The burger already comes with a big slice of grilled onion on top. Is delicious! it tastes a bit like FO but with a different texture. Tue Oct 31 19:03:20 -0800 2006 1982339 48184 nexxsound 2 1986274 How much? Tue Oct 31 19:19:12 -0800 2006 1986222 10786 calabasas_trafalgar 3 1986353 I think it was about 8 bucks, one of the largest burgers i've had. you can split it. Make sure to have it medium!! Let me know if you like it Tue Oct 31 19:43:18 -0800 2006 1986274 48184 nexxsound 3 1986396 CT, I forgot, I leave the tomato slice and lettuce out, it won't be as good with it. Tue Oct 31 19:51:42 -0800 2006 1986274 48184 nexxsound 1 1986700 Went to Sunset Beach last night to try the kobe beef burger stuffed with lobster chunks. Not bad...not as good as what I was hoping for. The burger is charred on the outside, so it has a rubbery texture, plus the lobster wasn't as smooth as I was expecting, so it adds to the rubberiness. Fries were the best part, covered in garlic and herbs. Great portion with real lobster, but overcooked Kobe makes it meaningless, especially at $28. Got a drank at Bar Marmont afterwards, and the burger there looked awesome. Buttery brioche bun...with a large serving of fries and all the fixins. Tue Oct 31 21:12:53 -0800 2006 1982339 21397 danieljames 2 1986713 Has Bar Marmont reopened? I'll be ecstatic if it has. And the burgers there were always great! Tue Oct 31 21:18:03 -0800 2006 1986700 21341 hrhboo 3 1986927 I am happy to report that Bar Marmont has reopened, and the construction seems to have been minimal. But it looks great and everything about it oozes cool. Tue Oct 31 22:18:08 -0800 2006 1986713 21397 danieljames 4 1986940 Awesome. Thanks for the info! Tue Oct 31 22:21:05 -0800 2006 1986927 21341 hrhboo 2 1990635 is this the ol dublin's location? where sunset beach is located/ oh, and i thought bar marmont had already closed for good. Thu Nov 02 04:48:13 -0800 2006 1986700 10866 kevin 1 1987433 The patty melt at Pann's. Wed Nov 01 01:36:39 -0800 2006 1982339 10883 JAB 2 1996387 OHHH, that is SO good, but what middle-aged man in his right mind can possibly eat 2/3 of a pound of beef on one sandwich? With cheese already? I did it once, but I'd have to nail my annual physical to even think about doing it again. And another thing: do ALL the patty melts in the LA area simply consist of a cheeseburger on rye or sourdough toast? Where I come from they're supposed to have the cheese inside of the meat patty. Is that universally not the case here? Sat Nov 04 05:41:36 -0800 2006 1987433 11478 Will Owen 3 1996712 There used to be a few places that had cheese in the patties of their burgers generally, but I think they have vanished (I'm recalling some chain that had a hot air balloon as a logo, something World?). IIRC, Hamburger Hamlet made an Onion Patty Melt, consisting of patty, cheese, and lots of grilled onions on grilled rye toast. Pretty good when well made. Sat Nov 04 15:13:12 -0800 2006 1996387 10332 mc michael 3 1996717 I've never seen a patty melt that had the cheese inside -- where I moved from we called that a Jucy Lucy. A patty melt is a patty, cheese on both sides, and grilled onions on sourdough or rye toast. Sat Nov 04 15:17:01 -0800 2006 1996387 10811 Das Ubergeek 2 2966863 Mmmm....where's Pann's? Sat Sep 22 18:16:42 -0700 2007 1987433 77439 ElJeffe 3 2967058 Just got back from dinner there. www.panns.com Sat Sep 22 20:17:14 -0700 2007 2966863 108169 Servorg 1 1987442 Apple Pan hickory burger. No question. Wed Nov 01 01:41:48 -0800 2006 1982339 14736 MBShapiro 1 1987908 My vote has to go to Pie 'N Burger. Wed Nov 01 07:00:00 -0800 2006 1982339 50350 SauceSupreme 1 1989236 The Max burger at Grand Lux Cafe is really good. Nook Bistro has a burger that I hear is similar to Father's Office. I like Nook's burger but I don't like their fries, they're too skinny. It's hard to find a place with a good burger AND good fries. In a pinch - Fatburger. Wed Nov 01 20:18:05 -0800 2006 1982339 25067 Leon 1 1989361 Once again, no one has mentioned the Pasadena monsta--Hawkin's Burger. FEAR the Hawkin's Burger! Wed Nov 01 20:59:08 -0800 2006 1982339 16985 Gohantabeyoka 2 1990775 Hawkins BUrger? Is that the One POUNDER? Info please! ;) Thu Nov 02 06:19:16 -0800 2006 1989361 14118 nrique 3 2009292 One pounder? OK, nrique, since you asked, here's a CH post from last November. =============== CHers Unless you're Max Hardcore or a denizen of the ghettoized north of Pasadena, you just don't know. This courtesy of Biggie, former offensive lineman, Univ. of Toleda Rockets, babeeee! Hawkins House Of Burgers (626) 791-2876 2664 Fair Oaks Ave Altadena, CA 91001 The "Hawkins" burger consist of three, one-pound ground beef patties. Each pattie has different toppings. Pattie one has 2 Italian sausages with hot chili sauce and cheese. Pattie two has 2 eggs over easy with chili sauce. Pattie three has 1/2 pound of the best pastrami in town with chili sauce. This all comes on a giant bun with divider pieces of bread in between the patties. Open for breakfest and lunch... the breakfest burrito could feed a whole house full. =================== I need a prilosec just posting that description. Holler back, y'all. Gohantabeyoka? Thu Nov 09 19:38:03 -0800 2006 1990775 16985 Gohantabeyoka 4 2010496 DAMM! Going to have to visit that, but for their regular burger. Fri Nov 10 03:14:11 -0800 2006 2009292 14118 nrique 5 2019338 Alas, Hawkins closed earlier this year. Their original location, in Watts, may still be around. Tue Nov 14 02:27:04 -0800 2006 2010496 10702 condiment 6 2019642 ooh WATTS, no that sounds like an adventure in eating! Any info! That triple threat burger peaked my interest. Tue Nov 14 04:28:19 -0800 2006 2019338 14118 nrique 6 3427592 I don't know where you heard that. I ate at Hawkins two days ago. Best burger in L.A. Also, it is NOT in Pasadena, it's in Altadena on Fair Oaks just south of Mariposa. Sat Feb 23 12:11:31 -0800 2008 2019338 10180 martyR 1 1989398 Try the Bullit burger at "The Bullit" coffee shop on White Oak just north of Vanowen in Reseda. About 1/2 pound, served on french roll with grilled onion, cheese, ortega chile for around 5 bucks...good stuff. Wed Nov 01 21:11:38 -0800 2006 1982339 20494 alskii 2 2009121 That sounds like what I got at a place called Zig's in the late 70's. I think it was in that area too. Thu Nov 09 18:49:45 -0800 2006 1989398 10864 sel 1 1989435 Nook Burger does not taste like Father's Office. Nook Burger is bland and there's no dressing on the burger, perhaps people like that. Other dishes are Nook are worth trying. IMHO. I'm with Leon, Fatburger - old standard can't go wrong with Skinny Fries! Wed Nov 01 21:23:12 -0800 2006 1982339 14283 tatertots 2 1989686 BUT, unlike Father's Office, you can ask for ketchup at Nook without being 'ripped a new one' :-) Wed Nov 01 22:32:14 -0800 2006 1989435 13171 silence9 1 1989793 The burger at Bowery Bar on Sunset in Hollywood (near the Arclight) is fantastic. So are the sweet potato fries, and so are the drinks. In fact, a burger, sweet potato fries, and a gin and tonic at Bower Bar is one of my favorite meals in LA, and I'm a big snob about all three. Wed Nov 01 23:08:43 -0800 2006 1982339 16495 hungrymungry 1 1990179 Literati II for expensive burger ($16, but it is so good) In-n-Out or Apple Pan for cheap burgskies. Counter when I'm in the neighborhood. Thu Nov 02 01:38:10 -0800 2006 1982339 17914 EREDSON 2 1990641 actually apple pan isn't cheap, it'll close you over 17 bucks for a burger, pie, and coke. Thu Nov 02 04:49:39 -0800 2006 1990179 10866 kevin 3 1990725 Sounds like you included fries as well. Thu Nov 02 05:43:00 -0800 2006 1990641 10332 mc michael 4 2007963 no fries, burger 7, coke 2, pie 6, with tax and tip over 17. Thu Nov 09 06:24:06 -0800 2006 1990725 10866 kevin 3 1992758 you're right, Apple Pan isn't cheap (anymore), but still it's under $10 with fries and a coke, no? That's cheap compared to Literati II which I put as my fave expensive burger. Thu Nov 02 22:20:15 -0800 2006 1990641 17914 EREDSON 4 1993626 not exactly, burger with cheese 7 bucks, fries 2 bucks, coke 1.50 you're already above 10 bucks, without even starting on the tac and tip. Fri Nov 03 05:09:18 -0800 2006 1992758 10866 kevin 5 1996343 Now that you mention it, someone on this board suggested that the way to go at Apple Pan was DOUBLE cheese on the Hickory Burger. A little more expensive, but definitely right. Sat Nov 04 04:56:03 -0800 2006 1993626 10332 mc michael 6 1996803 Not just "A little more expensive..." but double the price! Did it once when I was a teen. Now I prefer to order a Steak Burger rare with everything and if I'm really feeling like a pig following it with a Hickory Burger ordered the same way! Oh yes, don't forget the Fries well done with a side of Sauce all washed down with their Iced Coffee with Real Heavy Cream. Then Banana, Cherry or Berry Cream Pie. Yummm!!! Sat Nov 04 16:17:29 -0800 2006 1996343 10864 sel 7 1996824 I think you misunderstood. I just meant double cheese, not double patty as well. What means this "Sauce"? Are you talking about the plate of ketchup? Sat Nov 04 16:32:26 -0800 2006 1996803 10332 mc michael 8 1996873 I can't read when I just stumbled out of bed and before my first cup of java, sorry! Asking for a "side of sauce" at Apple Pan gets you a little plate of Hickory Sauce which I much prefer on the fries to catsup. Sat Nov 04 16:58:19 -0800 2006 1996824 10864 sel 9 1997140 that's definitely correct, never got double cheese on my burger befrore, instead of 50cents extra it's 80, and the tillamook cheddar they got is pretty good. two burgers a pie and a coke, will set you back 25 per person. Sat Nov 04 19:29:45 -0800 2006 1996873 10866 kevin 4 2001917 Last time I ate there it was $11 (including tip) for a hickory burger with cheese and a coke and $13 (including tip) for a hickory burger with cheese, fries and a coke. Tue Nov 07 00:45:43 -0800 2006 1992758 11028 DanaB 4 3183794 Yea, the only reason I don't put Apple Pan higher on my burger fav list anymore is due to the price. It is quite pricey now, for a good good regular burger. Wed Dec 05 21:41:03 -0800 2007 1992758 131040 Devil 2 U 1 1990430 I think responses should be categorized three ways: sober, tipsy, and drunk. Sober: Josie's Buffalo/Foie Gras Burger Tipsy: Father's Office Cabbing It Home: Hinano Thu Nov 02 03:08:32 -0800 2006 1982339 26854 Frank_Santa_Monica 1 1990659 Dont know the name of it, but there is a little burger shack in Sherman Oaks right next to the 101 (litereally right next to it, you can see the small sign going east on the 101)that makes some of the best burgers I have ever had. Thu Nov 02 04:57:53 -0800 2006 1982339 50439 splittle 2 1992924 You may be thinking of Jack's Classic Burgers on the West side of Woodman at the on ramp to the 101 West. Thu Nov 02 23:14:21 -0800 2006 1990659 13745 LesThePress 1 1990728 Not to get too nostalgic, but did the folks from Thai American Express Cafe ever reappear with their dynamite burger? If so, where? Thu Nov 02 05:45:09 -0800 2006 1982339 10332 mc michael 2 2001925 Probably my biggest chow regret was in not getting to try the Thai American Express Cafe burger before they closed. I too would be interested to hear if the owners had opened up anew. Anyone? Tue Nov 07 00:47:17 -0800 2006 1990728 11028 DanaB 3 2007961 i never ate there either, is that the site of Blair's? Thu Nov 09 06:21:14 -0800 2006 2001925 10866 kevin 2 5056973 that burger rocked! Thu Sep 24 23:24:53 -0700 2009 1990728 13339 blackbookali 3 5057056 It really was a good burger. Fri Sep 25 02:06:22 -0700 2009 5056973 60617 rednyellow 1 1991741 The best burger and best value in Westwood Village is the double cheeseburger at the little Tomy's-type shack stand on Gayley just below campus and south of the In'n'Out. You have to eat it there -- it loses its charm very quickly. And by all means avoid the chili, which is weak, bland and gooey-gloppy. They also serve a large order of thin fries but they don't cook them crispy enough, and their drinks are off. But the burger if eaten hot off the grill is tasty, juicy, much bigger than In'n'Out, and a fantastic value at just over $2. Well, the best value not counting Diddy Riesse. Thu Nov 02 17:47:42 -0800 2006 1982339 10855 nosh 1 1992040 does anyone have news about jay's that was on santa monica and virgil? that was my fave. Thu Nov 02 18:58:07 -0800 2006 1982339 22196 scuzm 2 1992918 Noticed the fence around it is gone and the little stand looks different somehow. Will it be Jay's again? Thu Nov 02 23:12:40 -0800 2006 1992040 20663 Josh90004 1 1996124 So...I was initially skeptical, but went to 25 Degrees in the Hollywood Roosevelt Hotel for lunch this afternoon and had a truly quintessential world-class burger...sirloin, cooked red-ish/pink rare, definitely juicy...topped with Neal's Yard Cheddar, shiitake mushroom and crisp bacon...fresh lettuce/tomato/dill pickle slices on the side...wrapped in white butcher paper, the better to soak up the juices...with a plethora of fries on the side. A tad expensive ($9 for the basic burger, the toppings brought it to $12.50), but definitely worth it, especially considering we quickly snagged a cozy booth and had prompt, courteous service. Sat Nov 04 01:49:12 -0800 2006 1982339 22350 Michael L. 2 1998639 I agree. I fell in love with it immediately and find myself craving it. The meat is so juicy. The toppings, especially the tarrgon sauce, are inventive and tasty. And I love the fries and onion rings, which are huge so ask for the half and half and split it. Sun Nov 05 18:50:46 -0800 2006 1996124 17863 Newkie 3 2021258 Went to 25 degrees last night for the first time--EXCELLENT burgers. Perfect tasty decadence paired with a great glass of wine. I had the #2--ground sirloin, topped with grilled tomatoes, prosciutto, burrata and pesto--wow it was sooo good. Did the half and half onion ring and fries split with my dining mate-the fries were impeccably thin and crips, and the onion rings juicy. He built his own burger from ground sirloin, Point Reyes blue cheese, caramelized onions, and garlic aoli. The wine list is also great, if a tad over-priced, but we felt like splurging so tried a Gruner Veltliner (you can order a "small" carafe with equals about a glass and a half of wine for the price of what most places charge for a glass). It was nice with the iceberge lettuce and Point Reyes Blue cheese salad--the lettuce was little limp, however, which is my only complaint. We then paid the price of a full bottle for a half bottle of a lovely Burgundy--which, next to the awesome burgers, was well worth it. We walked there and back home--good way to earn an incredible meal. Oh, and the booths are cozy, and the service top-notch. Tue Nov 14 19:53:23 -0800 2006 1998639 17189 mangefromage 1 1996766 Blessed with being walking distance fron 25 Degrees, I concur. Not the cheapest, but meaty and perfectly prepared... haven't tried the Musso & Frank's version, but I'm there next... To throw in my girlfriend's two cents, her burger cravings always send us to the 101 Coffee Shop on Franklin, where she orders up the cheeseburger, served with a side of sweet potato & regular french fries. That usually hits the spot as well. Sat Nov 04 15:53:07 -0800 2006 1982339 50744 sebastianxx 1 1997142 the 25 degress burger is probably the best thick patty, juicy burger in town, it is top notch. yeah, it'll most likely cost you 11 per burger, but you don't need any fries with it (since they suck), the choc cake is pretty bad too, just a huge ordinary choc cake, and the shakes are nothing special, it's all about the burger here, and if you order just that and maybe a coke or possibly a beer it'll still be cheaper than a pan experience. and there's more beef here (probably double the amount of beef than in an apple pan burger). Sat Nov 04 19:32:39 -0800 2006 1982339 10866 kevin 2 1997174 OK OK, I'll go Mon or Tue!!! Sat Nov 04 19:58:28 -0800 2006 1997142 10864 sel 1 1997928 Nobody has mentioned the 1 pound burger at Barbeque King. It's enormous, but not that good... Sun Nov 05 04:52:23 -0800 2006 1982339 10786 calabasas_trafalgar 2 2000518 considering the latter portion of your post, i can see why no one has posted about it. =) Mon Nov 06 17:39:46 -0800 2006 1997928 10704 wilafur 2 2003095 You are absolutely right, I had one, the size of a dinner plate but it had no flavor. By the way for those of you who dont know its on the corner of Sunset(ceasar chavez) and Figuora. Tue Nov 07 15:57:28 -0800 2006 1997928 12130 malibumike 1 1997965 stop all the fuss... go to in-n-out burger, order a 3X3 (at least a double double) just meat and cheese. have a good amout of ketchup handy. you will not have a better burger experience. Sun Nov 05 05:10:11 -0800 2006 1982339 24712 ewrohde 2 1998292 I like I-N-O, but it isn't the best burger in LA by far. I actually REALLY like just the plain burger at Gordon Biersch. No cheese. Sun Nov 05 15:22:10 -0800 2006 1997965 10811 Das Ubergeek 3 1998533 Good fries too IIRC. Sun Nov 05 17:56:00 -0800 2006 1998292 10332 mc michael 1 1998039 THE ANSWER IS: MORTON'S Downtown (Lunch only) UNBEATABLE! (15-) Sun Nov 05 06:45:20 -0800 2006 1982339 10210 russkar 2 2007965 i can attest to that, morton's is good, but aferwards, you'll feel like crap. there's no way you can work after eating that burger, oh, i thought it was still 14 bucks, did they increased the price from a few weeks back already. Thu Nov 09 06:26:27 -0800 2006 1998039 10866 kevin 1 2000240 The Nook burger is awesome ... I love everything about it. I actually ask for a side of ketchup AND aioli ($.50) and slather it on ... it's amazing like that. Gutbuster? Yes. Delicious? Definitely. It helps that it's in my neighborhood, too ... JH Mon Nov 06 15:49:57 -0800 2006 1982339 38372 donnival 1 2000902 Nobody seems to have mentioned the Pugburger at Hungry Cat, which I submit is unsurpassed in the blue cheese/bacon/pricey-cheese/sweet-condiment category that Father's Office admittedly pioneered. It is a formidable burger, and easily the winner in the pan-Hollywood sweepstakes. Mon Nov 06 19:29:29 -0800 2006 1982339 10702 condiment 2 2001835 I just went there last night and had their Pugburger for the first time, then I was reading this entire post scratching my head why no one had mentioned The Hungry Cat yet... until now. Fabulous burger!! Tue Nov 07 00:05:43 -0800 2006 2000902 31844 jenngen 1 2002321 Had lunch at the Cannoner today (Montebello Country Club). Must say the burger was very tasty. All the condiments were fresh, it came off the grill quickly and I was full the entire day. I had the cheeseburger, didn't specify how I wanted it cooked. The burger did not come dry, instead was moist and tasty. Next time I plan on specifying Medium, see if the cook has some skills. I recommend this if you're ever in the area. Just keep away on Sundays, I hear there is a HUGE senior after church crowd. Tue Nov 07 03:58:32 -0800 2006 1982339 14118 nrique 1 2003151 kobe beef burger with bacon and blue cheese at lucky devils on hollywood blvd, well worth the 16 bucks. best burger ever. second after that burger at tiny's k.o. bar on hollywood and cahuenga, open for lunch. get everything on it and don't miss out on the well done crunchy fries with all FOUR dipping sauces!!!!! Tue Nov 07 16:14:37 -0800 2006 1982339 51604 hamsterbacke 1 2003160 Quite awhile ago I touted the Ramp in Burbank as the successor to Thai American as an even better burger for an also reasonable price. Everyone I've ever taken agrees. I'm just a little surprised that no else has here has weighed in with either yays or nays. It's on Hollywood Way near Glenoaks. Tue Nov 07 16:19:53 -0800 2006 1982339 11135 Briggs 2 2836123 I work in Burbank, and on the above advice I decided to try Gary Bric's The Ramp's burger. Outstanding! I have taken many co-workers, and we all agree that you can't beat the quality of the meat for the price. They let you order the meat rare if you want to, but I choose medium. I also add bacon (incredibly good, and lots of it). This is an old-school restaurant, with even older clientele. Don't go there to see pretty people or to be told that you can't choose what kind of cheese you want on your burger. This isn't a place like Father's Office...and sometimes, that's a good thing. Sat Aug 11 11:25:02 -0700 2007 2003160 118473 Flint 3 3173586 where's it located Sun Dec 02 17:14:00 -0800 2007 2836123 62097 paprkutr 4 3173597 http://www.garybricsramp.com/ Sun Dec 02 17:18:21 -0800 2007 3173586 108169 Servorg 5 3173621 thanks Sun Dec 02 17:26:16 -0800 2007 3173597 62097 paprkutr 1 2003991 Though my personal favorite is the straightforward unadorned style found at Pie'n'Burger, I've also had two more expensive ones of the four-inch-thickburger school at Julienne's in San Marino and at Second City Bistro in El Segundo - virtually identical, with grilled onions, tomato, leaf lettuce, cheese and a patty the size of a bagel. In both cases the tomato was cut too thickly and wasn't exactly great anyway, so was best left out. Second City's was both appreciably less expensive and much more flavorful - genuinely beefy flavor. I remain an agnostic on the question of "best", as I frankly can't consume burgers at the rate I used to and have an awfully long way to go before I've explored every recommendation. Tue Nov 07 20:16:26 -0800 2006 1982339 11478 Will Owen 1 2004431 In-n-Out ALL THE WAY Animal Style with no pickles...Animal Style Fries is you really want to make yourself sick...in that good feeling sick way. Tue Nov 07 22:24:50 -0800 2006 1982339 37675 careri 1 2007995 Sorely missing from this thread: B and R Old Fashion burgers, located in the long strip mall at the corner of Rosecrans and Cerise. Thu Nov 09 06:56:06 -0800 2006 1982339 20399 broncosaurus 2 2009286 how could i forget that is the best for a fast food/apple pan/fatburger type burger, but the burger the actual beef here is better than all the above it's truly good stuff. and remember to get the closed to 3 pound fully loaded royale burger. Thu Nov 09 19:36:30 -0800 2006 2007995 10866 kevin 1 2019723 Best Cheap Burger is at McCormick & Schmick's during Happy Hour. You get all the fixings and fries for $2. I believe it's a 1/2lb burger. Also, I do not recommend you goto the BevHills location for Happy Hour. The servers really hate the happy hour crowd. Tue Nov 14 05:09:49 -0800 2006 1982339 53063 skimrunner 2 2512812 I just had the McCormick and Schmick's burger downtown - couldn't beat the price but there was way too much bun and they overcooked the patty. I think for roughly the same amount of money, an In n Out burger beats it any day of the week. Tue Apr 24 22:16:43 -0700 2007 2019723 75652 umeakai 2 3183790 Yea, I 2nd this is the best place for a happy hour burger & beer. Cheap, but ok. Wed Dec 05 21:38:15 -0800 2007 2019723 131040 Devil 2 U 1 2520685 TART at the Farmer's Daughter Hotel on Fairfax across from the Farmer's Market has a damn fine burger on a delicious brioche bun. Dripping and juicy with excellent homemade BBQ chips or potato wedges. They're top it with whatever you need. Damn good. Fri Apr 27 09:42:11 -0700 2007 1982339 94663 jambi8 1 2759660 I know i scanned through this thread fast, but did no one mention THE CORNER in Santa Monica? yikes.... no love for The Corner? for high end ($10 and over) burgers that's my top choice. after that, i'm an In-n-Out fan and used to love Cassell's more 5 years ago than now, but still have nostalgia for that place... t he final entry i'll offer is this greasy spoon stand in Santa Monica on the corner of 20th and Broadway called Jo's... that is my go-to place when i'm at wwork that few folks know of. it's run by this totally unique Korean lady that's kind of the "soup nazi" of burgers.... worth a try (not just a good burger but the exerience is worth the visit also).... Tue Jul 17 20:45:09 -0700 2007 1982339 108960 HerbyN 2 4106064 Come on now...she's a sweetheart! Nothing like the Soup Nazi whose place I used to to frequent in NYC. Anyway, the burgers at Big Jo's are decent -- in the In 'N Out vein. I like the patty melt. Wed Oct 15 10:13:58 -0700 2008 2759660 18466 a_and_w 1 2764778 The burgers @ 25 degrees Thu Jul 19 10:59:38 -0700 2007 1982339 15674 holybull 1 2841624 Burger Night at Grace is a very good option for a high-end burger. The meat was cooked perfectly and the cheese options were good. Last night, I had the buttermilk blue cheese which was very rich and creamy. Service was top notch as well. http://www.gracerestaurant.com/index.php/grace/articles/grace_burger_night/ Mon Aug 13 14:02:58 -0700 2007 1982339 14283 tatertots 2 2967249 I went to burger night during the winter and had a truffle burger. Great stuff. Sat Sep 22 22:17:02 -0700 2007 2841624 50350 SauceSupreme 2 3169489 I didn't even know there was a burger night at Grace restaurant. Thanks for the info. I will check it out ASAP! Fri Nov 30 16:54:58 -0800 2007 2841624 146874 brgrluvr 3 3171527 Also, Grace has a doughnut night every Wednesday. Sat Dec 01 17:53:47 -0800 2007 3169489 50350 SauceSupreme 4 4396394 How much is the burger at grace? I'm trying to pick a burger place for tomorrow night, it's between Grace, Lucky Devils, and 25 degrees, oh or the original tops in pasadena. Sat Feb 07 13:15:29 -0800 2009 3171527 76015 Ben7643 1 3169484 I agree with the Firefly (in Studio City) vote. It's an unexpected place to find a great burger, but check it out. You won't be sorry. It's got a little bit of the good ol' sloppiness, a little bit of the gourmet -- the best of both worlds combined. Fri Nov 30 16:53:59 -0800 2007 1982339 146874 brgrluvr 1 3169599 Today i finally had a chance to try a cassell's burger - 2/3 pound, medium rare, american cheese, grilled onions, a medium sized potato salad - cost $8 ( to-go ) - noticed that if i ate it there - you basically build your own burger and it appears the sides ( like the salad ) are included...i did not see if the cost was different. anyways - the burger was very juicy, i liked the grilled onions and the TO and mayo worked...the meat tasted good but i think it would be much, much better if they seasoned the burger while it was being cooked.....maybe they did...if so, they need to sprinkle on a little more. btw - the potato salad wasn't bad - it's kinda like cold mashed potatoes...but it has a nice horseradish taste to it....it to, needed salt...if they threw in some roasted garlic it would've really impressed me... i liked the place and need to try again....soon ! Fri Nov 30 17:53:18 -0800 2007 1982339 11751 kjs 2 3171310 Yes, if you eat in, the potato salad (with mustard) and a whole bunch of other condiments and sides are included in the price. And they've got pretty great lemonade. Sat Dec 01 16:13:10 -0800 2007 3169599 127538 wutzizname 1 3171447 Just returned from three weeks in Paris, went to Apple Pan the next day, hands down the best burger in town. Sat Dec 01 17:14:26 -0800 2007 1982339 106651 Food Boy 2 3171473 I also went immediately to the Apple Pan directly from LAX after a three week European holiday. No burger ever tastes better than the one from the Apple Pan after a trip abroad. Sat Dec 01 17:25:28 -0800 2007 3171447 67720 maudies5 1 3172992 In-n-Out ~ though the last one I had in westwood just didnt taste right. Tommies Fat Burger You kinda have to keep a burger simple. McCorkick in BH for the ambiance. Sun Dec 02 12:51:26 -0800 2007 1982339 147225 FortyDeuce 1 3173470 Redwood Bar on second st. downtown is very good for burgers. Sun Dec 02 16:31:20 -0800 2007 1982339 60617 rednyellow 1 3173798 I just had the bacon and cheddar burger from Brent's Deli (northridge) last night. It was excellent. I ordered it to go, good thing because the line for sitting was almost out the door when I got there. When I called, they asked me how I wanted it cook - medium. One pound of beef (before cooking), the patty was about an inch thick, cheddar cheese melted into a nice gooey congeal - shaped thingy, grilled onions, fresh onions, shredded lettuce, several large tomato slices, and lots of pickle slices, all on a soft bakery bun and a bag full of fat steak fries. Oh man, that was good. I've tried the Tops Kobe in SGV and I must say I like the Brent's burger better. Simple, classic, and tasty. Sun Dec 02 18:39:27 -0800 2007 1982339 24287 ladius 2 3179917 Good call. The Jewish deli's typically have great diner-style burgers & patty melts so I'll give this a try. Tue Dec 04 16:58:21 -0800 2007 3173798 77439 ElJeffe 1 3179531 I went to Father's Office and was completely underwhelmed. It was so salty I could barely taste the beef. I would have to vote for Houston's or lately I have been liking the burger at French 75 (and my girlfriend can't get enough of the chocolate soufflé) though they often overbook their sliders. Tue Dec 04 14:39:05 -0800 2007 1982339 101299 jonahlee 1 3183784 Hands down, no comparrison is FATHER'S OFFICE in Santa Monica on Montana Ave. This is the best burger I have EVER had! Best Fastfood burger goes to Fatburger. Best value burger goes to IN & OUT. Honnerable mention to the Apple Pan. Best humongous burger is at King's BBQ in downtown LA (1LB for $5.75)! Hell, go for the $14 3LB one and die happy. Wed Dec 05 21:34:10 -0800 2007 1982339 131040 Devil 2 U 1 3183821 A lot of good choices here, but I have one more. It's called Burgers Etc. and it's in El Segundo on Main St (a few miles south of LAX). Here's the kick, it is both eat-in and drive through and it is AMAZING. Super juicy and thick patties so if you drive through, find a parking spot immediately and eat it because the juice from the meat will soak into the bun if you wait more than like 10 minutes. Also, make sure your brakes are good because the drive through window is one steep hill! One last tip, the burgers are made to order so count on about 5-10 minutes to wait while you salivate for what's to come. The hamburger is the best, no cheese necessary but if you do get cheese, make sure not to get the double. For some reason, they cut the patty in half and give you 2 small patties instead of the one big one. The big one, however, is just too good. Oh, and try the fries, DELICIOUS!! Burgers Etc - (310) 322-2025 130 Main St El Segundo, CA 90245 Drive through and eat-in Wed Dec 05 21:58:31 -0800 2007 1982339 136073 LeCordonBleuChef 2 3289105 is this th jont just a hair south of oringal rindalid's on main???? Sat Jan 12 15:32:05 -0800 2008 3183821 10866 kevin 3 3423114 Yes. Thu Feb 21 22:42:34 -0800 2008 3289105 20399 broncosaurus 1 3289357 Just tried the burger at Comme Ca yesterday and I have to say that it is very good and definitely up there on my list of best burgers in LA(Morton's is still my favorite...I think). Sat Jan 12 17:13:04 -0800 2008 1982339 67878 baloney 2 3293791 i've had the burger a few times a comme ca and feel like it's the best that i've had in quite a while. that includes fathers office and tops. haven't had the mortons yet so i'll need to go try it soon. Mon Jan 14 10:43:46 -0800 2008 3289357 153047 cdub 3 3293899 Love Comme Ca burger, love Morton's burger, both amazing. But just had the pug burger at Hungry Cat (a bit different from how it was a year ago, I think different bacon) and it is for me better than both. Amazing bacon, smoked and cured in the restaurant, great subtle blue cheese, avocado, great bun, just the best in the city. Mon Jan 14 11:06:57 -0800 2008 3293791 151099 la tache burger 4 3295687 Is the Comme Ca burger only on the lunch menu? If so, what are their lunch hours. I have to have one!!! Mon Jan 14 18:38:16 -0800 2008 3293899 135030 omakase 1 3292087 Father's office with the basket shopping cart of fries with a great white beer is the only way to go! Sun Jan 13 19:13:35 -0800 2008 1982339 157212 helluva meal 1 3292661 I can't believe nobody has mentioned the shackburger from The Shack (Santa Monica and Playa Del Rey). Hinano's (Marina Del Rey) has the best after drinking burgers. Mon Jan 14 02:45:45 -0800 2008 1982339 53222 vfromcali 2 3426199 haven't had it in a while but the shack burger is awesome! Fri Feb 22 19:35:26 -0800 2008 3292661 11827 woofer 2 3594826 The Shack Burger is quite amazing. There's also a new place on Lincoln and Manchester called Tompkins Square that has a great burger as well. You can build your own or get one of their "specials." It's a $10ish burger, but it's delicious and the toppings are plentiful and the sauces are amazing! Mon Apr 14 21:35:47 -0700 2008 3292661 154570 jacQlin 3 4106073 Shack burger is tasty, especially with the sausage, but I wish they used better beef that could be cooked to specification (i.e., rare, medium, etc.). Wed Oct 15 10:15:26 -0700 2008 3594826 18466 a_and_w 2 4671851 Its like you are in my brain! Sun May 10 18:43:26 -0700 2009 3292661 291621 caalro 1 3421082 Yes it great there too, but you havent had a good burger until you try FATHER'S OFFICE in santa monica. DELICIOUS its a nice little pub serving the best food. Try the Office Burger, made with caramelized onions, applewood bacon, gruyere, blue cheese and arugula YUM! portions a good size http://www.fathersoffice.com/ Thu Feb 21 11:23:23 -0800 2008 1982339 168189 delishdelish 2 3422901 I second Father's Office! Thu Feb 21 20:22:18 -0800 2008 3421082 95883 amoretignis 3 3425180 father's office is good, but i wouldn't say it's the best had 25 degrees this past weekend......the number one is EFFIN good, it comes with your choice of fries or onion rings, the fries or o.k. the rings are is the better choice, it also comes with the right amount of sloppiness, the chuck patty is gibongus and juicy, nice and cheesy but not too much, and the greens get somewhat steamed with the heat of the burger try it, you'll like it oh, one more thing, service sucks Fri Feb 22 13:46:27 -0800 2008 3422901 162053 fgrade 4 3426193 Service does indeed really suck, so much that I'll never go back for the slight chance they'll actually get my order right the first time. Fri Feb 22 19:33:21 -0800 2008 3425180 60617 rednyellow 1 3426401 Adding my voice to those who say 25 degrees. My husband liked it so much that we went there for his birthday! Love the onion rings, too. Fri Feb 22 21:18:46 -0800 2008 1982339 101664 SPAndrea 2 3428630 I'm going to check out 25 degrees soon! Thanks for the recomendation! Sat Feb 23 20:05:45 -0800 2008 3426401 163093 Nacasia 1 3453185 I just had a fantastic burger at Tropicalia, the brazilian place on Hillhurst at Finley. I think it was half a pound of chuck, perfectly cooked on a bun that held up without falling apart. very juicy tasty meat. It has carmelized onions lettuce, tomato, salsa. Really was one of the best tasting I've had in a long time. Sun Mar 02 18:00:56 -0800 2008 1982339 60617 rednyellow 2 3935572 how much was the burger? thx for the tip. I'm always in that area. Wed Aug 06 13:07:56 -0700 2008 3453185 10246 choctastic 1 3596166 Had a very nice burger at The Bull Pen in Redondo Beach last night. Bakery fresh bun and nice dense patty with quality beef. Tue Apr 15 09:46:35 -0700 2008 1982339 171744 gph2os 1 3935242 There can never be "one" best!!! They can be as different as beef, pork, chicken, seafood, etc. I'll give you 3 that will "stir" you -- Father's Office, Tommy's Original and Counters. Tu amigo de Mexico -- Emiliano Wed Aug 06 11:42:49 -0700 2008 1982339 31011 emeisel 1 3970983 i know i'm resurrecting an old post, but i was surprised that there was no mention of blue dahlia on this thead so i couldn't resist! i just ate their last week and thoroughly enjoyed their short rib burger with gouda, caramelized onions and arugula. just take a look at the attached pic. the hefty burger actually is stuffed with short rib. there's some nice crispy bits of short rib in there that give the burger some texture. the bun's a little thin and the mayo a bit heavy, but i wolfed the whole thing down even though i usually don't finish a whole burger at 25 degrees. and i felt perfectly content afterwards...it's not a huge burger though, i suppose. i don't know if i'd say it's a better burger than 25 degrees or father's office but certainly on par. if you think the onions are too sweet on the father's office version, they're less so at blue dahlia. the cafe is pretty low key with a nice wine and beer selection. the patio out back is pretty sweet too. blue dahlia 738 E 3rd St Los Angeles, CA 90013 (next to zip fusion) Tue Aug 19 21:01:14 -0700 2008 1982339 71681 lnbish 1 3971075 Wow, so many choices, it seems - I could spend the rest of my days eating at different burger joints in LA every day. Has anyone mentioned Tommy's Gourmet Burgers on San Vicente in Brentwood? Their burgers are excellent, yet pricy. I particularly like the guacamole burger, sans sour cream (bleh). Their curly fries are probably the best I have ever tasted - it's hard to stop eating them. The reason I stopped going there is simply because the cooks tend to maddog you while you eat, which is not very agreeable. Tue Aug 19 21:42:54 -0700 2008 1982339 219285 Englottogastor 2 3971192 "because the cooks tend to maddog you while you eat, which is not very agreeable". Please, enlighten the rest of us as to what the heck you're talking about ("maddog" huh?). Thanks. Tue Aug 19 23:43:19 -0700 2008 3971075 29007 GK in SO 3 4100715 I do not know of a Tommy's on San Vicente in Brentwood. Are you confusing it with Barney's? They have another branch up next to the Reddi-Chik at 26th in that marketplace. Good burgers, but expensive. Mon Oct 13 07:22:24 -0700 2008 3971192 10855 nosh 4 4106080 I'm not such a fan of Barney's burgers -- too large and underseasoned for my taste. Wed Oct 15 10:16:42 -0700 2008 4100715 18466 a_and_w 5 4106824 Neither am I, they refused to cook mine rare. Wed Oct 15 14:47:43 -0700 2008 4106080 10864 sel 1 4099116 I have a new favorite right now, right in Hollywood, Charcoal. http://www.charcoalhollywood.com/ 6372 Sunset Blvd Hollywood, CA 90028 (323)-465-8500 Sun-Thu 11am-Midnight Fri-Sat 11am-1:30am Brunch Saturdary and Sunday 10:30am-3:30pm The burgers are fantastic, and inexpensive, especially if you can get the 3-6PM Mon-Saturday deal. And it is a shame that the place isn't always packed, because these are fantastic burgers. Juicy, thick and huge, and they have tons of delicious variations Check out my blog post on these fantastic burgers.. http://www.whaleofatale.net/wordpress_restaurant_reviews/charcoal-hamburger-and-steak-hollywood-ca/ Sun Oct 12 09:12:21 -0700 2008 1982339 101299 jonahlee 2 4100579 OOPS! They just closed. You are a day late and a burger short.... Mon Oct 13 06:16:45 -0700 2008 4099116 12141 Adsvino 1 4100642 I am going to join this exhaustive thread and say I had gobstoppingly delicious sliders at 8 Oz last weekend. My dining companion were a little unhappy with her 8 Oz burger, but the trio of lamb, beef and boar sliders rocked my world. Mon Oct 13 06:47:58 -0700 2008 1982339 13235 lotta_cox 1 4107139 Does anyone who has gone to Lucky Devil's feel their "grassfed" burger patty has a superior taste to their Kobe burger? I've had their Kobe burgers about twice now, but the other day after trying a grassfed slider during their happy hour, I was blown away by how much of a superior beef-flavor was in these patties. Wed Oct 15 16:53:35 -0700 2008 1982339 174778 troublemaker 2 4107618 The Bonaventure Brewing Company has an awesome bacon cheeseburger. The fries are very good but I often opt for the Caesar salad. S. Irene Virbila says Park in Echo Park has best burger in L.A. but doesn't compare to this "hotel" burger. Wed Oct 15 21:40:22 -0700 2008 4107139 232976 pinotzin 1 4638930 Has anyone tried Umami Burger? I have been looking forward to trying it, but have been too busy to make it there. Wed Apr 29 09:32:50 -0700 2009 1982339 101299 jonahlee 2 4638957 i've tried it a couple times, give it a whirl, you'll either love it or hate it. but i love the fries there, triple fried. they got interesting sodas in addition to mexican coke in the bottle. and cake monkey's reformulation of childhood Hostess treats if you're into that sort of thing. Wed Apr 29 09:39:23 -0700 2009 4638930 10866 kevin 2 4638959 If you click on the "Place Link" you supplied in your post and then scroll down the page you will find all of the posts about Umami that have been made to date in the various threads that sprung up about it. Wed Apr 29 09:39:38 -0700 2009 4638930 108169 Servorg 2 4675039 I've tried 4 different burgers at Umami, loved them all, especially the triple pork Mon May 11 18:13:54 -0700 2009 4638930 60617 rednyellow 1 4641882 Tried the following - Umami Burger - Hands down the best burger I have ever eaten. Might have been the result of an awesome day out, but it was a phenomenal burger. I had the Truffle burger, my wife had the Umami burger. Just flawless. Juicy, meaty, flavored well. A tiny bit on the rich side, but the portion size matched the richness perfectly. HUGE recommendation. Fathers Office - Good gourmet burger, but I'm not a huge fan of that style. Ambience is a pain in the ass. The Counter (MDR location) - Downright bad. Gave it 2 tries, not worth the cost and the second burger I had was fuddruckers grade (circa 2007 fuddruckers) In and Out - Good baseline. Fatburger - Same, not as good as in and out but still okay. Fries suck. Thu Apr 30 07:33:47 -0700 2009 1982339 58882 Lord_Pall 2 4641921 Which Fathers Office location did you go to? Thu Apr 30 07:42:54 -0700 2009 4641882 108169 Servorg 2 4664254 Fatburger fries do not suck -- they are always freshly fried and better imo than In-N-Out. Thu May 07 17:08:36 -0700 2009 4641882 18466 a_and_w 1 4642289 I like my burgers cheap and fast. That's why I can't help but say In-n-out (isn't it obvious) and another place that is always under the radar is Capitol Burgers on Pico and Western. This place is easy to overlook because it's a small shack--but don't let it fool you--delicious burgers, fries, and shakes :) Thu Apr 30 09:25:01 -0700 2009 1982339 287481 ritacakes 2 4652677 i will be trying this soon - thanks! Mon May 04 09:52:10 -0700 2009 4642289 13339 blackbookali 3 4666063 I'm going to add a plug for the Kobe burger at JJ Brewski's in Camarillo. I know it's not L.A. County but if you happen to be passing through Camarillo on the 101 it's right off the freeway at Lewis Road. Not quite as fancy as the F.O. burger and the offerings at Boneyard but also less expensive at $13 and (I think) $7 on Tuesdays. They also have an awesome selection of California craft beers. Fri May 08 09:23:54 -0700 2009 4652677 163246 tofuburrito 1 4666177 I'm just gonna throw out something that hasn't been mentioned yet. The Lamb Burger special at The Golden State was SUPERB. I think they serve it on Thursdays and hopefully they'll add it to the permanent menu! Fri May 08 09:59:35 -0700 2009 1982339 39262 ronnie_gaucho 1 4669293 Umami Burger rocks. I am not the biggest of burger fans because they can so often be horrid (I hated Fathers Office). Umami saved the day with the best burger I have had in years. Moist, tasty and seasoned perfectly. I hope they branch out and we get one in the valley soon. Check them out. Sat May 09 15:01:05 -0700 2009 1982339 291366 lisa EISLER 2 4669470 which burger or burgers specifically did you try at umami Sat May 09 16:14:08 -0700 2009 4669293 10866 kevin 2 4671849 My experience was quite the opposite. I found Umami to be rather dull. They use the same paddies and bread for all their burgers which I found to be a bit too greasy. Fathers Office offered a much more pleasing burger experience. In all fairness, Fathers office only has 'the one' burger, but they also have a full menu of other quality foods. Umami gives a variety of choices that would be more suitable for someone who likes to switch it up. As far as decor goes, Umami is a shack and Fathers Office is a castle. As far as service goes, Umami's lacked when I was there, but they are new. Give them some time and it should be just fine. FO has great service if you avoid their busy times... which really hinders their appeal. What good is a place if you cant go when you want? Sun May 10 18:41:46 -0700 2009 4669293 291621 caalro 3 4672164 Went to Golden State tonight--really good burger and great fries. Cole slaw was good, too. Sun May 10 21:35:15 -0700 2009 4671849 247879 renata47 3 4977856 I have yet to taste the applewood bacon compote in the Office Burger. I am really frustrated when it says bacon, and yet to this day have yet to see or taste any sort of bacon flavor. I feel that the burger could be ten times better, the flavor of the meat is what sets it apart. I found that if you use the garlic tarter sauce that they give you for the fries in the burger and scrape out that nasty onion crap, the burger is a lot tastier. Tue Aug 25 18:21:59 -0700 2009 4671849 254809 A5 KOBE 4 5067617 Take a chance on being thrown out of F.O. by scraping away "that nasty onion crap" and applying "the garlic tarter [sic] sauce" from the french fries, instead? (I think it's spelled "tater." ;-) That's too much trouble, A5. Far easier would be driving over to Pie 'n Burger in Pasadena and politely ordering an excellent hamburger just as you like it. Tue Sep 29 13:48:01 -0700 2009 4977856 281830 Harry Nile 5 5313549 I guess, but the meat from the two are of different classes. Pie n Burger being like a C-Class Mercedes and FO that of a S-Class AMG. I did have a really great Snake River Kobe Burger via SPAGO which was absolutely fantastic. Only thing really really bad was the bun was a little dense and dry, but the burger was fantastic. Mon Jan 11 12:53:31 -0800 2010 5067617 254809 A5 KOBE 6 5313652 One time at Cut I ordered the steak "tasting" and compared Japanese Wagyu, SRF Kobe, and good old (35 days hanging) Nebraska dry-aged prime. According to my taste, the Cornhuskers beef won going away (although I am partial to the SRF tri-tip that I prepare at home). I'm certainly not saying that PnB uses top domestic prime -- far from it -- only that it's good enough, that the best-named food isn't always the best, and that I'd much rather eat at a place that thinks more of its customers -- and happens to serve great hashbrowns -- than its own private burger vision. I'd also much rather eavesdrop on conversations between Cal Tech students than learn what I learn from the F.O. crowd. If the only choices were Burger King and F.O., I'd hold my nose and head to the Office. (I mean this here freedom thing is fine, but let's not go crazy!) Fortunately, that's not the case. Mon Jan 11 13:28:08 -0800 2010 5313549 281830 Harry Nile 7 5313686 P.S. All that said, as soon as I finish my current investigations into Langer's, the best tortillas, and O.C. "artisanal" pizza pies, I plan to head back to F.O. and compare it to Umami and other recent trends ... purely objectively. ;-) Mon Jan 11 13:39:51 -0800 2010 5313652 281830 Harry Nile 6 5313926 The Father's Office burger is high quality meat, but it could use some fattier meat like brisket in the mix for flavor. I actually think a good part of the overall taste comes from the condiments, which is why Father's Office is understandably particular about serving the burger their way. Mon Jan 11 14:51:57 -0800 2010 5313549 18466 a_and_w 7 5314833 "I actually think a good part of the overall taste comes from the condiments, which is why Father's Office is understandably particular about serving the burger their way." There's a very good chance you're right, a_and_w. Thanks for your honest assessment. The fact that so much of the flavor comes from something other than beef is one reason why I don't care for F.O., even though I like their particular condiments. Talking about whether you should flavor a steak or roast with sauce and spices, James Beard once wrote, in effect, a small amount is OK, but don't disguise the great flavor of fine beef. I agree to the extent that I never have (non-beef-stock-based) sauces on steak or roasts and often order a good hamburger medium-rare and plain, not even with cheese. I don't expect most people to go along with that but do recommend trying it at your favorite place at least once. You might be surprised at what it reveals -- good or bad -- about the burger you've been eating. Mon Jan 11 21:30:43 -0800 2010 5313926 281830 Harry Nile 1 4977308 Lately I have taken to grilling my own, and grinding my own meet, that way I can have exactly what I want, still always looking for another good place to try a burger though. I am interested in trying BOHO's burger, though it might depress me because I loved the Charcoal burgers so much, and Boho replaced Charcoal after way too short of a life (damn I miss Charcoal burgers). Tue Aug 25 15:29:35 -0700 2009 1982339 101299 jonahlee 2 4980936 You may want to give The York on York and 50th in Highland Park or The Hellman Burger at Pete's Bar and Cafe on 4th and Main a try. They may come close to the goodness you experience in grinding your own meat and prepping the burger yourself. BTW, from what it looks like and sounds like, BOHO may be on it's way out at that ill-fated corner of the Sunset strip. What a shame as I was hoping to have a gastropub near the theaters to round out a night at the movies. Wed Aug 26 17:03:08 -0700 2009 4977308 118060 mrshankly 3 5056979 Had the Hellman and thought it was just ok. Blue LA cafe on 6th by Coles is a GREAT burger. Thu Sep 24 23:29:14 -0700 2009 4980936 13339 blackbookali 1 5063204 My Three favortie Burgers: 1. Daglas in Canoga Park - Burger is always great. Their seasoned fries are terrific and they give you more than you can eat. 2. In n Out - obvious choice but it's consistently excellent. 3. Toms in Burbank/NoHo - Burger is great, fries ae boring but still good. Mon Sep 28 00:32:34 -0700 2009 1982339 1112469 GretaMom 2 5064036 Tom's? I guess I'll have to try theirs. Thanks for the heads-up. When they get busy there the wait can be frustrating, so I seldom go, even though I drive by a couple of times a week. Mon Sep 28 09:50:32 -0700 2009 5063204 89849 Akitist 3 5065444 Yeah, I used to drive by it on the way to work when I worked in Burbank and wondered about it too. The burgers are pretty good for not having anything fancy thrown on them. Just normal burgers but they're made to order and satisfy the burger craving pretty good. Also, I have to admit, I really like Carl's Jr.'s Famous Star w/ cheese. Unfortunately, the big chains (except for In n Out) are so inconsistent that I often drive right by it and go elsewhere. But when they make it right, it's definitley one of my favorites too. On the same topic, I might as well add Island's Mushroom Swiss burger to the list...really great burger, never been dissapointed, except for the price. I love Island's fries too. Mon Sep 28 18:26:42 -0700 2009 5064036 1112469 GretaMom 1 5312874 Apple Pan is tough to beat. Mon Jan 11 09:30:26 -0800 2010 1982339 1139159 chuckkw