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Batali + Ray vs. Flay + Laurentis, Nov 12


I think the real battle will be whether Mario can refrain from "accidentally" stabbing his teammate.

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  1. That's kind of funny. Pairing chefs and non-chefs, sort of like a celebrity golf match.

    When the original Iron Chef had non-chef contestants, it was usually pretty lame.

    1. LOL. RR is a real hinderence to MB. She has no real skills as far as culinary creativity is concerned. I'm sure she'll be relegated to playing a background role as much as possible i.e.; standing around and looking cute.

      BF and GL, this sounds like an interesting team to me. Normally I'd be in MB's corner but in this instance, I'm thinking otherwise.

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      1. re: sivyaleah

        Plus MB has mentionned more than once how extremely attractive he finds GD, so perhaps he will be distracted...

        1. re: sivyaleah

          Funny, I always think of Bobby Flay as just standing around looking cute.

          1. re: sivyaleah

            Looking cute? That is a stretch! But, don't forget she does chop well!

          2. In all fairness, at least Giada went to culinary school. Not to say that you can't be a great chef by working your way through the ranks, but RR didn't even do that. I wonder how the judges are going to feel when their soup is made with canned stock and served with sammies.

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            1. re: foodrocks

              Actually, Giada worked on the line at Spago before she started her own catering business. I'd consider that "chef experience", wouldn't you...?

              Besides, that "culinary school" was the Cordon Bleu. Not too shabby, I'd say.

              1. re: rjw_lgb_ca

                I had no clue she worked on the line at Spago, that is pretty impressive, so thanks for the info! But my point wasn't to say that she wasn't qualified, or that her schooling was mediocre, but to point out that she has more hands on experience than RR...so I am a little confused by your post.

                1. re: rjw_lgb_ca

                  so how did RR rise to fame anyway?

                  1. re: rjw_lgb_ca

                    Her show is still extremely lame & her commentary is the most useless of any Food Network person currently working.

                    1. re: Eat_Nopal

                      In scanning the channel for news on Ed Bradley's passing,,,here is RR TV show. I don't get it - she's loud and her cooking is nothing special.

                2. Why would they not put Giada with Mario. It seems like a natural pairing to me. Perhaps Bobby won the coin toss.
                  Can you imagine MB making RR's Sloppy Joe Pizza or her Prime Rib with Yorkshire Pudding Stoup??


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                  1. re: Davwud

                    Because Mario is the only one good-natured enough to put up with Rachel Ray?

                    1. re: sivyaleah

                      I have read some comments Batali made about RR--definitely not complimentary. This should be interesting indeed....

                      1. re: gloriousfood

                        Sure you're not thinking of Bourdain? He's made some scathing comments about her.

                        Doesn't sound like it would be Batali if what Ray says is true: "People come in different flavors, like ice cream," she says. "Not everybody goes for strawberry. And I know plenty of chefs that have been decent and kind and sweet to me. Mario lives a couple of blocks from me, and we're good friends. He comes over and eats my food, and doesn't have any complaints."

                        1. re: Chimayo Joe

                          I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure it was Batali and Bourdain at some kind of a chef powwow. As for Bourdain--yes, I know he's no fan of hers although he was the most diplomatic I've ever heard him commenting in a recent piece about RR in the NY Times.

                          1. re: gloriousfood

                            You missed his seminar at Gourmet this weekend...

                            1. re: Withnail42

                              Do you mean Bourdain or Batali? What happened?

                      2. re: sivyaleah

                        What gave you the idea he was good natured? He has a rep as a real pr*ck. I hope it's ok to say pr*ck...

                        1. re: prunefeet

                          Well, I've met him a couple of times - I'm not saying he can't be aggressive and whatever he needs to be for business purposes, I'd expect him to be. However, in general, as a person from my perspective, I found him to be personable. JMO, of course.

                          1. re: prunefeet

                            I think he just likes to win the hard way.

                      3. Now Food Network wants to screw up one of 3 shows I watch! Leave Iron Chef alone! We see enough of those two screwballs. (Screwed is the word is the word is the word)

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                        1. re: melly

                          This seems like a Food Network cross-promotion, it's not part of the regular season.

                          They've got Batali vs. Chris Cosentino coming up next season. That should be as good a battle as any on the original Japanese show.

                          1. re: Robert Lauriston

                            I'm quite looking forward to the Batali vs. Cosentino battle - gf & I recently ate at Incanto (Cosentino's restaurant) and were verrrrrry impressed.

                        2. theme ingredient: Frozen Taquitos?

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                          1. I seem to recall reading or hearing somewhere that Ray and Batali are friends. That probably had something to do with the pairing.

                            1. YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING!!!

                              1. Or, should that be, "YA GADDA BE KYIDDING!"?

                                1. Sorry, but RR is not in the same league as these others. Her stoup crap, sammies, and everything else, is not contender material. Sorry. RR should go sit in the corner with her Garbage Bowl on her head and talk about how nutmeg is that "something, that makes everyone go,,,what's that?" Geez. Pair her up with Sandra Lee on some contrived Lame show, and we'll talk. Too much!!! Ugh !!! Hey, let's get real.

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                                    1. re: ChefGirl412

                                      And even worse? She's opening a burger joint in NYC with a rotating menu of 190 burger recipes "she's developed". Yeah. RIGHT.


                                      1. re: LindaWhit

                                        Why do you need 190 different burgers??


                                        1. re: Davwud

                                          Exactly. Of course, they aren't ALL beef. She'll take "anything that can be made into a burger - turkey, swordfish".

                                          So original.

                                          1. re: Davwud

                                            190 burgers is nothing compared with The Counter's 312,120 possible combinations.

                                          2. re: LindaWhit

                                            Didn't Oprah go on about some kind of burger place with a huge selection...

                                            1. re: Withnail42

                                              I wouldn't be surprised. I still can't understand it - 190 burgers. This ought to be interesting to read about.

                                              1. re: Withnail42

                                                That was Robert's afore mentioned Counter...


                                                1. re: Withnail42

                                                  I think you may be thinking of some place in CA - called the Counter or something like that?

                                                  There was a thread about it a while back.

                                              2. re: KTinNYC

                                                I especially liked her Paella burger that didn't contain saffron. Oh and let's not forget the Russian Burger, with an array of cabbages & beets all over it. YUK But then again she is the "Queen of the Burgers." Her only hope is that the secret ingredient on Iron Chef is...nutmeg. Then all the judges will say,,,hmm, what is that I taste?

                                                1. re: ChefGirl412

                                                  You have the right ideas. RR cooks like I did way back when I bought a 2 dollar frying pan and decided to try making something edible for the first time in my life.

                                                2. I wanna see Flay and Bourdain on the same team. :)

                                                  Emeril and Sandra Lee would be a hoot too.

                                                  1. I think of them all as chefs- in their own right, and it seems snooty to act like since 2 were catering and cooking for an audiece, not in their own restaurants that they are any less qualified-- they've both had cookbooks on the NY Times Bestseller list--I think the two ladies will kickass n take names quite frankly.

                                                    1. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE have Steingarten be a judge.....i hope they don't make the judging panel be a bunch of patsys...knowing the FN, I wouldn't be shocked if they do.

                                                      1. I know CHs generally do not care much for RR but wow! (I personally find her super sunshine cheerfulness more tolerable than Flay's over-the-top cockiness)

                                                        Anyways, I think RR would at least have the timing under her belt.

                                                        And yea, Sandra Lee would be even more hilarious --- "Let me set the tablescape for the judges!"


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                                                        1. re: AquaW

                                                          I agree with you about flay, just as bad if not worse than rr/

                                                          1. re: Cheese Boy

                                                            Oh, Horatio would win hands down... <<Horatio looks over the top of his sunglasses and says "That's foie gras... Miami style!">> And... end scene!

                                                          2. re: AquaW

                                                            Timing? Does she really? Who really knows what goes on behind the scenes of her show? Do those dishes really take just 30 minutes? I somehow doubt it.

                                                            1. re: sivyaleah

                                                              I'll disclaim I'm not a fan of RR, but anyone who went backstage & produced with her before knows that she does, in fact, really squeezes out her meals in 30 or less. Of course, she has plenty of prep time (not food prep, but planning how she's gonna multi-task her different courses) sometimes taking short cuts (buying pre-chopped this pre-marinaded that).

                                                              1. re: AquaW

                                                                Well, food prep, planning, etc. does count as part of the "cooking" in my book. So, not 30 minutes. And, does she have help in all of that prep work?

                                                                1. re: sivyaleah

                                                                  I can't abide RR's TV shows, but I've made perhaps a half-dozen recipes from her cookbook and they do really take 30 minutes or less. I'd rather spend more time, personally.


                                                                  1. re: sivyaleah

                                                                    Umm... as noted above - *not* food prep - and meal planning isn't really cooking - it's more of an organizational skill (akin to how people plan out their holiday menus weeks ahead so they don't go crazy on that day, but you'll be hard-pressed to find anyone who's gonna label them as having cooked for weeks.) But if you're gonna count planning, I'm surprised you didn't argue earlier that you don't see her go to the grocery store to pick out the ingredients, it isn't 30 minutes after all.

                                                                    Unlikely to have help in prep work (when the show goes to commercial she's always just chopping up one vegetable/meat or another, something that can be done in a minute or two.)

                                                                    But back to my point: even if you count planning and doing it single-tasked, RR's stuff can be easily done under an hour (which is the IC's limit anyways)


                                                            2. I like Iron chef and didn't know about this event, but I'll be sure and watch it. While I don't consider either Rachael R. or Giada L. to be Iron Chef material, or really even chefs, maybe we should cut them a little slack. After all, can't be that easy to set yourself up for public ridicule, Neither one of them strike me as stupid, they have to know they will be the topic of conversations like the above. If you think about it none of the four are exactly shrinking violets. Four rather large egos in the kitchen - take up a lot of space, even in a kitchen as large as "kitchen stadium." I just hope Rachael Ray doesn' say EVOO.

                                                              1. I don't know. I've always viewed Giada and RR as giggly schoolgirls. Iron Chef has that pseudo-seriousness to it. I'm not sure this is going to work well. But it will be nice to see RR put on the spot and cook in real time.

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                                                                1. re: sunshinedrop

                                                                  She'll also have to cook for real. She can't open a can of Beef R Oni and mix it with Jell-O and call it Daube Glace


                                                                  1. re: sunshinedrop

                                                                    Oh Sunshinedrop, I see that you were once as naive as I about Iron Chef. Please check the post I made about Flay vs. Tourondel battle goat cheese. All is not as it seems.....

                                                                    1. re: sunshinedrop

                                                                      I don't know, I've always viewed Mario and Bobby Flay as giggly schoolboys.

                                                                    2. Will this be on Food Network Canada?

                                                                      1. That's just silly. Just plain silly.

                                                                        I'm going to watch it, however, because I love watching Bobby Flay become unhinged every time he cooks. He can't even be on a goofy tv show without losing control!

                                                                        I like Batali, though.

                                                                        1. RR has a real challenge coming up,,, as do the others. She looks nervous just walking up for the challenge. Good Luck RR,,,you will certainly need it. You too Flay.

                                                                          1. To me this is typical of FN. They sat around figuring out how to get Ray on yet another show.

                                                                            ...and on a side note...it’s ironic that for a network that pushes personality and style(?) before substance that one of their highest rated shows features real chefs doing, more or less, real cooking.

                                                                            1. Do we have to apologize if she suprises us and turns out to know how to cook and handle a knife well?

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                                                                              1. re: dinwiddie

                                                                                dinwiddie - this will NEVER happen ! She is a "home cook" who can handle a knife,,,like the rest of us. If I have to see her dirty fingernails one more time, I'll scream!

                                                                              2. The most important question should be: Who do you think will win?

                                                                                1. I agree with a lot of the above posts. Having RR on diminishes what this show is all about. And it is obvious that the FN is trying to cash in on her overrated popularity.

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                                                                                  1. re: ChefGirl412

                                                                                    BTW, I don't think it's been mentioned yet - the Flay/Laurentis vs. Batali/Ray Battle is going to be......BATTLE CRANBERRY! (Noted at the top of FN's TV pages.)

                                                                                    And even worse - FN is having Shamdra Lee do a Semi-Ho Thanksgiving show "using 70% prepared ingredients and 30% fresh ingredients." Yeah. JUST what the Pilgrims did lo those many years ago. :-/


                                                                                    1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                      Well Linda, you KNOW that's why the Pilgrims came here in the first place! We have 7-11's. ;-)

                                                                                      1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                        Battle Cranberry - I wonder if RR will sneak in her "secret" ingredient...nutmeg, so the judges say,,,what's that somethin' somethin'? AND, don't get me started on Sandra Lee; I simply don't understand her appeal. Hmm, I'm making polenta tonight, I think I'll wear my yellow sweater. YIKES.

                                                                                        1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                          Wait, they didn't use to tell in advance what the ingredient was...now they have time to prepare and think it through? No fair.

                                                                                          1. re: prunefeet

                                                                                            Exactly prunefeet - this is a takeoff on the real Iron Chef America - not interested.

                                                                                            1. re: prunefeet

                                                                                              Well, the show isn't live - it was probably taped months ago. So telling US what the secret ingredient is/was doesn't really do anything.

                                                                                              AND those in the challenge DO know what the ingredient MIGHT be - I think they get told it's going to be one of two or three different ingredients.

                                                                                        2. Nice show, nobody obnoxious!

                                                                                          1. I just watched the show...

                                                                                            Giada showed the stress more than Rachel, at least the way it was edited. Both GD and RR's nervousness and humility were humanizing, and made me feel a little bad for dissing thier shows so easily.

                                                                                            MB's Masterstroke was to give the judges cocktails mid-contest! Not that the drinks would have any effect on the judging, but that the gesture (and team Ray-tali's calling one another "sweetheart" and "honey") would get into Flay's head and throw him off his mental game.

                                                                                            Two shots at the end of the show- MB gleefully tossing sugar, then BF shaking his head and giving the "whatever" shrug- sum it all up.

                                                                                            1. See, I thought RR seemed much more nervous in the cut show than Giada. And I agree, it was very humanizing to see to two on the show. From the opening credits to the end, RR kept claiming she was NOT a chef and had no clue what she was doing, just in case anyone had any questions about it. I just felt bad for her...I don't don't she's even worked a line before, and to just be thrown into kitchen stadium, well, it took some balls. I still don't think she needs four different shows on FN, but that's another thread for another time.
                                                                                              It was interesting how Mario and Bobby instantly took over the kitchen too...it was almost like RR and Giada were just sous chefs. I did love how Mario and Alton kept teasing RR about how long it took her to do things. The general feeling I got from the show was that they all knew it was not a true battle, since Giada and RR are not real chefs, so everyone was just having fun with it.

                                                                                              1. Looks like we've got two threads on yesterday's show: http://www.chowhound.com/topics/show/...

                                                                                                IMO, RR seemed more nervous and harried, but Giada seemed to take it more seriously than necessary. That's an interesting comment about the two women playing more of a "sous chef" role--I agree and also felt the concept was a bit sexist.

                                                                                                RR's attitude was refreshing and not a suprise: she has always claimed that she is not a chef, but a cook. It's one of the reasons why she is so popular--she's down to earth and never claims to be something she isn't. People relate to this.

                                                                                                And Mo Rocca was hilarious.