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On Chinatown's fringes, a mystery meal

Brian S Oct 16, 2006 02:33 AM

On the gritty eastern fringe of Chinatown, I found a restaurant with no English menu at all, but the Chinese menu had literally hundreds of dishes I've never seen. It looks like the humblest soup shop, with a few rickety tables and a wobbly stools. Concealed in back, an elegant dining room. I went in and ate in the soup shop. The owner seemed nervous to see me, but when she saw I could read a few Chinese words, she became very helpful, even showing me raw ingredients of dishes I asked about.

I ordered something with the same characters as one of my favorite casseroles. Imagine my surprise when out came a pizza! Oh it wasn't a pizza, but that's exactly what it looked like and for a while it fooled me. Then I realized that what looked like dough was really egg and I thought it was an omelet. But it wasn't. The egg was only a decorative fringe. The rest was a flat disc made of celery, chives and baby oysters bound together with a viscous slime so thick you had to cut it with a knife. That doesn't sound delicious, but it was. I'll be back. Lots of stuff on the menu I'm eager to try. I saw two dishes with pig intestines, two with goose intestines, six with frog. I don't even know if it's Cantonese or Fujianese. (I'd guess the latter.) Who knows what I'll get next?!?

Good Good Taste
13A Market Street

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    Dave Feldman RE: Brian S Oct 16, 2006 02:40 AM

    Sounds like a great discovery, Brian.

    I'm not sure I understand the connection between the soup shop and the "elegant restaurant" in back. Were both functioning? Did the long menu seem to be for both places?

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      Brian S RE: Dave Feldman Oct 16, 2006 02:44 AM

      Both were functioning, both had the same menu. But the elegant place... reached by a passageway in the rear... was full. (It had only a few tables) So I ate in front.

    2. Porthos RE: Brian S Oct 16, 2006 05:35 AM

      The pancake you describe sounds like Taiwanese-style oyster pancake. It's an acquired taste. The viscous slime you refer to is made from rice flour. It could be Taiwanese...

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        Brian S RE: Porthos Oct 16, 2006 03:49 PM

        Thank you! Thanks to the magic of the Internet, I've just checked out photos of Taiwanese oyster pancakes, and they look similar to what I had. I thought it was delicious.

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          asdf RE: Brian S Oct 17, 2006 04:25 AM

          Which could very well be Fujianese, since Taiwan and Fujian borrow a lot from each other, due to their proximity.

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            Brian S RE: asdf Oct 17, 2006 03:25 PM

            You're right!


            http://www.flavorandfortune.com/dataa... (most of the restaurants mentioned here have since closed)

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        djk RE: Brian S Oct 16, 2006 03:51 PM

        i'm very intrigued by this.....thanks for the info!

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          wingman RE: Brian S Oct 16, 2006 05:25 PM


          Want a free dinner? Unfortunetley my gf and I have yet to have the opportunity to learn Chinese but would kill for food as authentic as what you have described. Let us know and we'd be happy to join you and pay for the tab!

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            Brian S RE: wingman Oct 17, 2006 01:56 AM

            Thank you so very much! Unfortunately, I just don't know enough Chinese! My Chinese is rudimentary and I don't recognize any dishes on the menu, except for one or two. What you could do is this: The takeout menu has all the dishes, in Chinese, so you could take one and get some of it translated, or get a takeout menu somewhere else that has English translations and try to find similar dishes. That's what I have been doing; I have a collection of almost a hundred takeout menus. The problem (and pleasure) is the dishes here are unique.

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              janethepain RE: Brian S Oct 17, 2006 02:30 PM

              Wow, I wish I could read Chinese, too. Would there be any way someone can get a menu, scan it, and post it on the boards? There has got to be more than a few fluent Chinese here.

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                swf36d RE: Brian S Feb 16, 2008 04:44 PM

                You can take the menu and translate it on bablefish.

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                  wench31 RE: Brian S Feb 16, 2008 05:39 PM

                  Brian, do you have a copy of the menu that you can scan so that we can take a look at it? Sounds delicious!

              2. Brian S RE: Brian S Oct 17, 2006 01:52 AM

                I went back tonight (the next day after my last visit) and I'm glad I did. This time I ordered one of the few dishes I recognized, fish head casserole. It was the same as any other place, better prepared, but with one delicious twist. Instead of the usual forgettable fish broth, this fish head was swimming in a dark Shaoxing (I think) wine sauce so rich that, had I looked younger, they probably would have asked for proof of age. I feel drunk, but that's probably just because it tasted so good.

                1. csw RE: Brian S Oct 17, 2006 04:36 AM

                  hey brian! walk down towards monroe street and theres another restaurant on the corner of monroe and market you can challenge. Theres no english on the awning and no menu posted outside.

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                    Brian S RE: csw Oct 17, 2006 03:26 PM

                    Thanks for the tip. I have walked only as far as Madison, one block short of Monroe.

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                      csw RE: Brian S Oct 17, 2006 05:38 PM

                      Ill keep my eye out for an american. Im not sure if its affiliated with good good taste but years ago it used to be called 'good taste' before they changed the awning to all chinese characters. Its itimidating to westerners because theres no pictures or english posted on its walls. It can be packed and busy during dinner hours.

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                      Brian S RE: csw Oct 18, 2006 11:56 PM

                      Such a lovely day, so after lunch I walked down to Chinatown and found this place. Good Taste, 41 Monroe. We don't have chicken here, the owner said in English, only other things. I saw a takeout menu by the register in English, so with his permission I took it. It does indeed have other things... goose intestine, 3 kinds of frog's legs... and is I believe Fujianese. I wasn't planning to eat, so I left, probably leaving him thinking I wanted chicken. (And then of course I had pork bone soup in Supertaste. Couldn't resist.... and Sietsema did call them, in today's Voice, the best noodles in the world. Could be!)

                      I saw another Fujianese place with a chinese-only menu at 115 MadisonSt)

                    3. Brian S RE: Brian S Feb 12, 2008 11:14 AM

                      ENGLISH MENU NOW AVAILABLE!!!

                      I've eaten quite a few meals at this place, all very very good. Fish head casserole, lamb with vegetables, seafood casserole, and many more. All from the Chinese only menu. But I peeked in yesterday and found that that menu has been replaced by a menu in Chinese and English. And, as long as they were reprinting the menu, they decided to raise all prices by about 25%.

                      The place was packed on Monday night so I went to a new restaurant nearby, at 30 Market Street. A big airy room, brightly lit, with weird big oil paintings of horses. Friendly staff, teenagers mostly, menu only in Chinese. I ordered a tasty casserole of intestines and taro in a white creamy bechamel-ish sauce.

                      Good Good Taste
                      13 Market St, New York, NY 10002

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                        foodshark73 RE: Brian S Feb 15, 2008 11:07 AM

                        This is why I love Chowhound! Brian, thank you so much for updating a two year old post with critical new info. I'm not even sure this restaurant would be up my alley, but it's so cool to know it's out there.

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                          Chandavkl RE: Brian S Feb 15, 2008 03:13 PM

                          I also found that place at 30 Market St. a week before last. The name is New Zhong Hing and even though I don't read Chinese they were very friendly and helpful.

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                            JFores RE: Brian S Feb 16, 2008 01:59 AM

                            Very nice and interesting. Thanks for the update.

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