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grapenehi Oct 13, 2006 04:05 AM

I'm taking my fiancee to NYC for the first time and I used to live there for 10 years. My obsession with food began there! So far we've planned on a slice at Joe's on Carmine and porterhouse for 2 at Peter Lugar's. Being away from the city for a couple of years, I've sadly fallen out of the foodie circle. Anything new open in the last couple of years that we must check out? Or, do you have suggestions for a first-timer to get a great NYC food experience? I'm in LA now, so no sushi (or any Asian food for that matter), Mexican or burger suggestions, please.

Apologies if this topic has already been covered. Thanks everyone!

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    theannerska RE: grapenehi Oct 13, 2006 04:27 AM

    Other 'hounds will do a much better job of covering the finer dining, but whenever I'm away from New York I crave these the most:
    - bagels, cream cheese, lox (Ess-A-Bagel)
    - Gray's Papaya (or Nathan's at Coney Island) for hot dogs
    - Junior's cheesecake (original)
    - sour cream apple walnut pie at Little Pie Company
    - the carts: Quik Meal and "the cart" (53rd? and 6th)
    - falafel and schwarma at Azuri Cafe
    - (is Il Laboratorio del Gelato a recent thing? I'm not sure, but it has generated a lot of buzz and is very yummy...), Brooklyn Ice Cream Factory, Otto for gelato

    And ah, can't wait to have some Peter Luger's again...

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      grapenehi RE: theannerska Oct 13, 2006 06:00 AM

      Oh yes, Ess-A-Bagel! And Junior's! Il Laboratorio is decadent. Thank you so much for helping me remember...

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        theannerska RE: grapenehi Oct 13, 2006 10:45 AM


        I did leave out all the Asian recs, but Koreatown and Chinatown are both non-sushi...just in case.

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        tamasha RE: theannerska Dec 2, 2006 10:43 PM

        Well if you're going to go to Il Laboratorio, I'd go to Kossar's for a bialy instead of Ess-A-Bagel. It's not too far away. Although if you're there you might want a Doughnut from the DP...

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        Petitpois RE: grapenehi Oct 13, 2006 11:10 AM

        The Joe's on the corner of Carmine at 6th closed (tragedy!) but the one a few doors down is still open.

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          NAtiveNewYorker RE: Petitpois Oct 13, 2006 01:44 PM

          Aviod Joe's Pizza and go to DeMArco's which is 5 blocks away. Best slice (not pie) in Manhattan.

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            billyeats RE: NAtiveNewYorker Oct 13, 2006 08:04 PM

            I must respectfully disagree. I'd take Joe's over DeMarco's any day o' the week!

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              NAtiveNewYorker RE: billyeats Oct 16, 2006 06:24 PM

              No point in debating taste, but here's my summary of how the two taste to me:

              DeMarco's: Complex blend of cheeses (cheese tortellini in cheese sauce, maybe?) cut with tomato sauce on crispy olive oil bread

              Joe's: home made pizza on a piece of toast (like a late night snack you make at home with available ingredients)

              Both taste good. I prefer the former, for my own taste.

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                a_and_w RE: NAtiveNewYorker Oct 16, 2006 08:32 PM

                Definitely give DeMarco's a shot for a slice (esp. the square). Make sure you ask them to heat it up "well done" so it's nice and crisp. Two other pizza possibilities are Arturo's in the Village and the original Patsy's in East Harlem.

                I also recommend you try Azuri Cafe on 51st at 10th Ave -- I've never had middle eastern food as good in CA. For bagels, my rec would be Murray's. I've never quite gotten the whole Ess-A-Bagel craze -- they remind me of unusually dense sandwich rolls.

                My upscale rec would be WD-50, which serves cutting edge cuisine in a pleasantly casual setting.

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            Jill RE: Petitpois Oct 13, 2006 05:59 PM

            Agreed! It's a terrible tragedy that Joe's on Carmine/6th closed. It was fantastic.

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            RGR RE: grapenehi Oct 13, 2006 06:23 PM

            For the quintessential NYC deli experience, you should definitely take your fiancee to Katz's, where it's all about the pastrami. Then, since you're now living in L.A., I guess you can debate how it stacks up with Langer's.

            Also, every first-timer should definitely sample *the* NY drink: an egg cream. Gem Spa, on the corner of 2nd Av. & St. Mark's Pl., makes an excellent one.

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              theannerska RE: RGR Oct 13, 2006 10:17 PM

              Yes! Definitely left out Katz's - a must. Be sure to tip the guy...

            2. mangiabeve RE: grapenehi Oct 13, 2006 06:31 PM

              If you've never tried Japanese ramen (soups/stews) I suggest:
              Rai Rai Ken
              10th street between 1st & 2nd ave
              ...try the curry ramen... (soy based soup) it was so dark and tasty, with pork, noodles, scallions, hard boiled egg and a little square of seaweed... unbelievably satisfying. Then, went around the corner to DeRoberti’s for an italian ice (their chocolate is the best) or any pastry they sell...or even Veneiro's accross the street... and all for under $10.

              10th street between 1st & 2nd ave

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                grapenehi RE: grapenehi Oct 13, 2006 11:28 PM

                Katz's or 2nd Ave. Deli for pastrami?

                Never had an egg cream...might have to on this trip.

                LA has great Japanese ramen joints, but thanks anyway!

                Now, if you were to crave a cannoli, Veneiro's or the Italian bakeries on Bleecker?

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                  theannerska RE: grapenehi Oct 14, 2006 12:49 AM

                  2nd Ave. Deli has closed, sadly, but I've always preferred Katz's.

                  Veneiro's is great, but if you decide on Bleecker, Rocco's is very good...I think I'd go with Veneiro's if absolutely forced to choose.

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                    grapenehi RE: theannerska Oct 14, 2006 12:52 AM

                    Thanks, theannerska, for the sad update on 2nd Ave. Deli. I did enjoy their pastrami for many years, but Katz's is good too. Can anyone tell me why they closed?

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                    RGR RE: grapenehi Oct 14, 2006 12:54 AM

                    2nd Av. Deli closed earlier this year, so that solves your dilemma -- not that it would have been a contest anyway because when it comes to pastrami, Katz's has always been the winner.

                    You lived in NYC for 10 years and never had an egg cream?! Shame on you! lol

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                      grapenehi RE: RGR Oct 14, 2006 12:58 AM

                      Speaking of egg cream, I just remembered the frozen hot chocolate at Serendipity on the UES.

                  3. mangiabeve RE: grapenehi Oct 14, 2006 06:32 PM

                    Didn't they also have something called "the kitchen sink" it was like the family sized version of a pasta bowl filled to the brim with ice cream, etc.

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                      mar1lyn27 RE: mangiabeve Dec 2, 2006 04:24 PM

                      The KITCHEN SINK was a specialty of Jahn's ice cream parlors.

                      When I was in high school it was a fav for my grup of friends on special occasions. I think it was 24 scoops, in a large tub.

                      BTW, that was at the Bronx outpost of Jahns, about 239480384238 years ago - or so it seems!

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                        mangiabeve RE: mar1lyn27 Dec 4, 2006 11:30 AM

                        I seem to remember carving my name into one of the wooden wall trims at the Jahns on Myrtle and Hillside aves Richmond Hill before the fire. Where is the one in the Bronx?

                    2. Porthos RE: grapenehi Oct 14, 2006 10:15 PM

                      It'd be a shame for you to not try Sushi Yasuda before you go back to LA. Nigiri for nigiri, Yasuda is unmatched. Mori and Nishimura are both a notch or two below the master. I'd even say that his selection of imported fish is larger than Urasawa's.

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                        Gordognyc RE: grapenehi Oct 14, 2006 10:44 PM

                        OK. So 90% of these posts don't care that you don't want asian or sushi. Here is a good list of places to try. I will caviat that I am a Greenwich Villager and rarely dine in midtown unless I am on an expense account.

                        For brunch in the East Village: Prune on 1st and 1st.

                        For Seafood Mary's Fish Camp in the West Village (I prefer it to Pearl Oyster Bar but this is a heated debate amongst Foodies). Or Mermaid Inn on 2nd ave in the East Village.

                        In mid-town the new "power lunch" scene is at the Lever House on 53rd off Park. It is a spectacular dining room and the food is great. Go for lunch or dinner. Expensive

                        For an upscale Italian in Mid-Town L'Impero in Tudor City is also a treat, but also expensive.

                        I have not personally been to Five Ninth in the Meatpacking district but it gets great reviews and is a good alternative to all the "big box" places down there if you want to check out the way that neighborhood has changed (and believe me, since you left it has!).

                        Down in the Lower East Side the restaurant scene has exploded as well. For a casual italian meal go to Inoteca.

                        And . . If you want a different kind of steak house experience try Strip House on 12th and University.

                        Hope that helps

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                          grapenehi RE: Gordognyc Oct 15, 2006 04:04 AM

                          Thanks for the recs, Gordognyc. You even managed to stay away from asian and sushi recs! ;)
                          I, too, am a (former) GVer and have been to several of the places you mentioned. Glad to hear several of them are still around!

                        2. modernist RE: grapenehi Oct 15, 2006 07:05 PM

                          some of my favorite things when im in new york:

                          go to russ and daughters to pick up some fish before walking up to ess-a bagel
                          katz's is worth checking out too. i prefer langers in LA but katz's has a nice old school vibe.
                          kossars bialy's
                          nathans at coney island (for the experience)
                          the doughnut factory
                          lots of pizza (by the slice)
                          polish food in greenpoint
                          senegalese food in harlem (the dibiterie is probably one of my favorites)
                          bosnian food in astoria
                          the best thing in flushing that we cant get in LA is xinjiang food (including the roadside yang rou chuar vendor)

                          i usually end up getting a few prix fixe lunches at high end spots. saves you a penny... i guess jean georges v. would be pretty "new york" or maybe you should have a meal at a mario batali restaurant since ours hasnt opened yet.

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                            Pan RE: modernist Oct 16, 2006 05:27 AM

                            That roadside vendor of Xinjiang-style food is NO WAY worth a trip from Manhattan! His stuff is just OK!

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                              rose water RE: modernist Dec 3, 2006 12:07 PM

                              the dibiterie? do tell more, modernist

                            2. zen_grace RE: grapenehi Dec 4, 2006 12:06 PM

                              I've actually worked at Junior's Cheesecake, and I've tried every single thing on their menu and to tell you the truth. If you want a magnificent slice of New York Cheesecake, Carnegie Deli is WAYYYYYYY better. The only reason Junior's is legendary is because of it's history in New York and they've kept their store and recipe the same for over 50 years originating with their first store opened in Brooklyn.

                              They have in recent years branched out to two other locations. THEY are the ones who call their cheesecake the "worlds most fabulous cheesecake," it's completely self proclaimed, yet it has done wonders for their reputation. Specifically, their cheesecake is very very soft and creamy and extremely sour in flavor. The Strawberry Topping I should warn you is the most dreadful thing I've ever encountered in my life. You can taste the red dye immediately as it rapes your taste buds with its sticky hardened gel consistancy, it has an inpalatable sour aftertaste, not to mention it's sprinkled with these little bland chewy peanut bits. If you MUST get a slice of Juniors, your safest bet is the plain, although I must warn you the one at Cargagie Deli is a million times better, and that's where you'll find just really good cheesecake without loads of hype and shameless self-promotion...

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                                spirit7125 RE: zen_grace Dec 4, 2006 07:20 PM

                                I have to agree...on my last visit, I tried many slices of cheesecake. Carnegie was the best, Juniors was the worst.

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