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Can I substitute another liquor for Cointreau?

mels Oct 12, 2006 03:30 PM

I am making a recipe calling for Cointreau, but I am making a large quantity and Cointreau isn't cheap. I know it is orange flavored, but I don't want to go the Grand Marnier route either due to cost. Do you think a Triple Sec would pass, or through a Google search I found "orange curacao" mentioned? Any help with this would be much appreciated.

  1. tim irvine Feb 21, 2012 04:54 PM

    Just to add to the confusion here are two more extreme approaches. On the frugal side I'd make an orange equivalent of limoncello with very cheap vodka. On the expensive end, I love Mandarine Napoleon. It is tangerine based. I can't believe thtat in another life I injected rack of lamb with it.

    1. alkapal Feb 21, 2012 04:12 AM

      reading a recipe for aummer pudding today http://www.dessert.net.au/summer-pudd... reminded me of this thread. it includes cointreau, and included this info:
      ""About Cointreau

      Cointreau is a brand of triple sec liqueur, and produced in Saint-Barthélemy-ďAnjou, a suburb of Angers, France. Cointreau sources its oranges from all over the world, usually Spain, Brazil and Haïti.
      In addition to being imbibed as an apéritif, Cointreau is sometimes used as a digestif. Cointreau is considered to be either a premium brand triple sec or a unique category of liqueur. With a 40% alcohol content, Cointreau is strong for a triple sec which usually has an alcohol content around 23%."""
      ~~~~~~~
      i've often wondered about the differences in triple sec, curacao, grand marnier and cointreau.

      1. mels Feb 17, 2012 05:30 AM

        Ha, I am HORRIFIED that I am the original poster on this thread and I can't recall what I ended up using for that cake. Granted, it was 6 years ago...but still (!).

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          Sublime Feb 17, 2012 09:09 PM

          Too funny - 6 years ago? I came here via google as well, am going to make a Williamsburg Orange Cake which calls for Cointreau in both the cake and icing. I enjoyed this post so much I joined the site! Cheers all! Pat

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          ChicagoElle Sep 17, 2011 08:48 AM

          Tho original question is almost 5 years old, however, folks still google these questions. My advice (from my latest fiasco) Use whatever is recommended by the chef!

          Last night I made a Raspberry Tiramisu from Giada De Laurentis and she recommeded Grand Marnier. I had Hiram Walker's Triple Sec on hand and used that instead. I'm throwing away my beautiful dessert (intended for a birthday party tonight) because the cheap Triple Sec flavor is so overpowering what should be a delicate and lovely combination of flavors! It's truly yucky and it's my fault.

          I should have googled this and followed previous good advice- buy just a small airline size of the recommended liquor. In the long run, it saves money if you have to toss the dessert and start over!

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            NetMug Feb 17, 2012 12:21 AM

            What a great thread. This question is the one I entered cyberspace to ask.

            I have a new recipe for Citrus Syrup Cake that I'm about to make, and I don't have a bar in my home, but I do have a small bottle shop close by. The recipe calls for Grand Marnier, but the bottle-o (that's Australian) didn't have any. I was going to buy Cointreau to substitute, but as it's a purchase specifically for this cake, it seemed that an outlay of AU$55 was arguably an overspend. (The local doesn't stock fun-sized bottles of liqueur). It was that or Triple Sec with which I'm not really familiar, but that was half the price.

            I bought the Triple Sec.

            When I came home and read this informative thread, I changed my mind. If I'd only had TS available, it sounds as though it would be worth a try if it is indeed just a type of Curacao. Of all the orange liqueur options for a cake syrup, though, it sounds as though Cointreau would be an excellent, can't-go-wrong choice. I went back to the bottle shop and swapped the TS for Cointreau, which I'm sure will be as unfailingly delicious on the cake as it is in a glass.

            Thanks for the information, Chowhound contributors, because there's no right or wrong answer, but I think I've made the best choice for me. I'd rather spend more money and be assured of the outcome, than wing it on a cheaper choice that I'm not familiar with which may be very disappointing. ChicagoElle makes a good argument here..

            1. re: NetMug
              coll Feb 17, 2012 05:10 AM

              I've been buying a Gran Marnier "clone" called Gran Gala, it's from Italy. I actually like it better, as it's not so sticky sweet, otherwise the flavor profile is exactly the same. Costs half of the price of Gran Marnier, glad the liquor store employee pointed it out to me.

              http://cocktails.about.com/od/spiritr...

              1. re: coll
                alkapal Feb 21, 2012 04:04 AM

                i got a french clone and it too was very good at at least ⅓ the price. bought it at snyder's in dc.

                1. re: alkapal
                  coll Feb 21, 2012 04:59 AM

                  Is it called L'Orange or something like that? My Mom is fixated with the stuff and drives over the border to Canada to stock up regularly.

                  1. re: coll
                    alkapal Feb 21, 2012 01:48 PM

                    it very well might be, coll! it has been a while since we had it, though.

                    ~~~~~~~
                    this blog tested 23!!!! http://ohgo.sh/category/cocktails/ora...

                    i found this interesting:
                    "
                    I’ve seen triple sec described as meaning “triple dry” or “triple distilled”, while others claim the name comes from the fact Cointreau’s recipe is the third one they tried. Whatever the actual meaning the first use is generally attributed to Cointreau, though the Combier distillery claim they invented it first in 1834 – a full 41 years before Cointreau was first sold.

                    Though the meaning of triple sec is fairly uncertain, the spirit it labels is easier to define. Triple sec is a drier version of curaçao, and uses sweet as well as bitter oranges. Like Curaçao, the triple sec name became tarnished by poor quality products, leading Cointreau to drop the triple sec label and sell by its brand name alone. Curaçao Marnier followed in similar steps, dropping Curaçao from its name and becoming the now famous Grand Marnier."""

                    1. re: alkapal
                      coll Feb 21, 2012 02:12 PM

                      I'm not going to look it up, but wasn't Gran Marnier made by monks for centuries?

                      Well I couldn't help it, I looked it up and no monks involved. Benedictine maybe? What do I think, that God is smiling on certain brands?

                      1. re: coll
                        alkapal Feb 21, 2012 03:09 PM

                        i always enjoy a little B&B when it is that time (of course, a fave of my parents back in the day). Benedictine & Brandy. "i got your monks right here!" LOL

                        oops, i lie: ""Bénédictine is a herbal liqueur beverage developed by Alexandre Le Grand in the 19th century and produced in France.
                        It is claimed that at the Benedictine Abbey of Fécamp in Normandy, monks had developed a medicinal aromatic herbal beverage which was produced until the abbey's devastation during the French Revolution, but in fact Alexandre Le Grand invented the recipe himself, helped by a local chemist, and he told this story to connect the liqueur with the city history and to sell his liqueur the best as possible.[1].
                        He began production under the trade name "Bénédictine", using a bottle with an easily recognizable shape and label. The family eventually sold the company to Martini and Rossi, which was in turn bought by Bacardi." wiki

                        1. re: coll
                          King of Northern Blvd Feb 21, 2012 08:12 PM

                          You may have been thinking about chartreuse..

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                            coll Feb 22, 2012 04:31 AM

                            No she always says the name L'Orange, maybe only available in Canada? I've sort of looked around my liquor store out of curiosity, but never have spotted it here. I see a Grey Goose vodka with that name but she says that's not it. Next time I go up I will make sure she has some on hand so I can see it with my own eyes.

                          2. re: coll
                            Caitlin McGrath Feb 21, 2012 08:21 PM

                            Frangelico (hazelnut liqueur) isn't made by monks, but is named for one (Fra Angelico) and has a bottle shaped like one.

                            www.frangelico.com

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                dgr123 Mar 16, 2011 06:21 PM

                Hi, well after all this imput from your fellow members, what did you finally end up using for that cake? I ended up here upon a search for a Cointreau substitute as we enjoy Ina Garten's Pom Cosmos. They are delicious, yet Lethal.

                1. alkapal Sep 4, 2009 04:31 AM

                  la belle orange is a good substitute -- and about $10-15 cheaper per bottle, iirc.
                  http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/427748

                  look for this bottle: http://www.beveragewarehouse.com/sear...

                  1. HaagenDazs Dec 25, 2008 08:40 AM

                    Some people have touched on this but no one has really stated it outright - Cointreau IS triple sec.

                    Cointreau is a name brand, that's all.

                    It's kind of like Kleenex. There are probably some better quality ingredients involved in the making of Cointreau and of course, like all brand names they can charge more because it is a recognized brand...

                    But to everyone who says you can't substitute triple sec for Cointreau, you don't really know what you're talking about because they are the same thing.

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                      Mick Ruthven Sep 3, 2009 09:35 PM

                      >Some people have touched on this but no one has really stated it outright - Cointreau IS triple sec. Cointreau is a name brand, that's all. <

                      It's true that Cointreau is a brand-name triple sec, but what a huge difference in flavor there is in the Cointreau version than any "triple sec" I've tried. If you know of a "triple sec" that tastes as good as Cointreau (and is cheaper), I'd sure like to know about it.

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                      johnemoll Dec 25, 2008 08:16 AM

                      try Harlequin Orange Liquor, it's the same proof as Grand Marnier (something Triple Sec cannot claim) at about half the cost.

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                        sweetpeas Nov 20, 2007 06:00 PM

                        I have a similar problem. I am trying a dressing recipe for Thanksgiving. Calls for dried apricot simmered in 1 1/2C of Grand Marnier. A bit pricey and I already have a bottle of Curacao. Any thoughts on how it would work instead??

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                          dmd_kc Dec 25, 2008 11:00 AM

                          For simmering, I'd use about 2/3 curacao and 1/3 drinkable but not great brandy. Simmering in name-brand hooch is for the wealthy, in my opinion. I absolutely never put any heat to the top-shelf stuff. I simply don't see the point.

                          I'll also add my two cents to the Cointreau quality debate. My sister-in-law and I had a triple sec taste-off one time among about six or seven brands. Hiram Walker won the "best bang for the buck" award, hands down. It has a surprisingly natural orange flavor, considering the price (about $8). For a sweet mixed drink or soaking a cake, it would be my first choice. I liked it better than Cointreau, which I found not orangey enough.

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                            alkapal Jan 10, 2009 04:48 AM

                            i love the triple-sec "taste-off" -- was it "double-blind"? ha ha!!!

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                          batteries Feb 22, 2007 01:32 PM

                          Some of you need to study on cooking with spirets. Grand Marnier is a cognac based liqiure while Triple Sec is Vodca based. Cointreau is brandy based. Triple Sec although orange flavoured is much more fluid then the other two.
                          Triple Sec is used very much in cooking main meals and deserts, but not as much in baking because of it's fluidness.
                          If you use this on your cake, be prepared of a sougier cake. Than may be harder to handle.
                          Both Brandy and Cognac are syrup and hold better with less run off.
                          There are less expensive orange Liqiures that are brandy based and give great flavor. About the same price as Triple Sec. De Kuyper Dry Orange Curacao Liqueur
                          Also known as Orange Cura ao, this liqueur belongs to the family

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                            mshpook Oct 15, 2006 03:47 AM

                            My recipe is long gone, but I found this one on line and it seems exactly the same.... It was a very moist and very yummy cake.

                            http://homecooking.about.com/library/...

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                              mshpook Oct 14, 2006 07:14 AM

                              you all are making me hungry for a "Harvey Wallbanger" cake...IIRC, very popular in the late 70s. Vodka, orange juice and galliano in the cake and the glaze. That was majorly yummy.

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                                morebubbles Oct 14, 2006 01:16 PM

                                hmmm, do you have a recipe that you like?

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                                Fleur Oct 14, 2006 04:16 AM

                                I would suggest being very careful about soaking a baked cake in any liqueur full strength.

                                A sugar syrup flavored with a few TBS liqueur would be much better. Straight uncooked alcohol will only add a harsh taste and not much flavor.

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                                  soupkitten Oct 13, 2006 07:41 PM

                                  Orange curaco & triple sec are the same thing. Leroux triple sec is actually really good for baking, but cheaper 3secs can be sugary and fake tasting. Organic orange extract is really good. also not cheap, so probably i'm being unhelpful.

                                  1. Allstonian Oct 13, 2006 01:25 PM

                                    Cook's Illustrated had a comparison of orange-flavored liqueurs in the September 2006 issue, in an article on crepes Suzette. Their surprise winner in a blind taste test was Leroux triple sec.

                                    Among orange-flavored brandies, La Belle Orange edged out Grand Marnier, and came in second in the crepes Suzette test.
                                    Cointreau came in last out of five.

                                    In a three-way taste test straight up, triple sec also came in first, Grand Marnier second, and Cointreau last (with a coment that it had only a faint orange flavor.)

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                                      morebubbles Oct 13, 2006 02:12 PM

                                      How interesting, thanks! I'm a lover of Cointreau and would hate to use it in food, cause I'd rather drink it, that's just me!
                                      So for cakes etc, I'd gladly look to Grand Marnier etc.
                                      Still, for the substitution question, the brandy & o.j. suggestion by bropaul seems like a good one.

                                      1. re: Allstonian
                                        Robert Lauriston Oct 14, 2006 03:01 PM

                                        Cook's Illustrated's taste-offs often produce incomprehensible results. I don't think their tasters have very good palates.

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                                          ddsrgs Nov 24, 2008 12:26 PM

                                          I thought the brandy & OJ was a good substitute as well since many cakes use brandy & rum. I just got a recipe for Cranberries for the holidays that called for an orange liquer and port and I was considering using the brandy & OJ or even the Grand Marnier because of it's brandy base because I was going to use a Late Harvest Zin instead of the Port (the difference mainly being that a Port is fortified with Brandy where a Late Harvest is not).

                                        2. JK Grence the Cosmic Jester Oct 13, 2006 10:29 AM

                                          While both are orange flavored, Cointreau and Grand Marnier are two different spirits; Cointreau has a neutral base, Grand Marnier uses brandy and would change the flavor profile of what you are making. Depending on how much you're using, you *might* be able to substitute triple sec or orange curaçao. If you're only using a tablespoon or two to flavor a cake, you could likely do triple sec and nobody would be the wiser. If it's for something special, I would pick up a micro bottle of Cointreau for about 3 bucks.

                                          Incidentally, if you see Cointreau in a recipe and want to play with a bit, you could substiture Licor Cuarenta y Tres (43), which has an orange-vanilla flavor. It makes for a nice twist in a margarita. You could also do a new darling in my bottle collection, Parfait Amour, a purple liqueur which is orange based with almonds, vanilla, and rose petals. Both of these are almost as expensive as Cointreau, so they wouldn't be good cost saving measures.

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                                          1. re: JK Grence the Cosmic Jester
                                            Robert Lauriston Oct 14, 2006 02:59 PM

                                            I've never noticed any orange flavor in Licor 43. Just vanilla. And it's really, really sweet.

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                                              pine time Feb 21, 2012 03:03 PM

                                              JK--drooling over the flavors of the Parfait Amour--what do you use it in? May have to hit the liqour (or liquer?) store.

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                                                JK Grence the Cosmic Jester Feb 22, 2012 09:31 PM

                                                Honestly, most of what was my new darling is still sitting on the shelf. It's a BEAST to mix with due to its unique (read: assertive) flavor profile. It goes nicely in an Aviation.

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                                              tdo ca Oct 13, 2006 01:49 AM

                                              IMHO, I think plain Triple Sec would be a poor, syrupy substitute - the reason the recipe calls for Cointreau is taste and quality. MAYBE Patron Citronge will save 30% on cost.

                                              What ingredients (liquor wise) do you have on hand - maybe there's an improvised solution...

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                                                amyvc Feb 22, 2007 02:45 PM

                                                I have definitely subbed citronge in recipes calling for a small amt of cointreau. worked fine.

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                                                UptownKevin Oct 13, 2006 01:40 AM

                                                Triple Sec is the closest thing to Cointreau. In fact, they are virtually the same, except Cointreau is just a higher quality and higher proof. You can make it work.

                                                Do not use Grand Marnier, Gran Gala or Gran Torres; they are not the same, they are brandy/cognac based and much darker.

                                                -Kevin
                                                www.NolaFoodie.com

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                                                1. re: UptownKevin
                                                  maria lorraine Sep 3, 2009 10:02 PM

                                                  To my taste buds, Triple Sec and Cointreau are quite different. Both orange of course, but
                                                  Cointreau is more vibrant, more orange in flavor, less alcoholic in flavor and much more beautiful.

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                                                  bropaul Oct 12, 2006 11:07 PM

                                                  In the past I've substituted a mixture of brandy and orange juice that seemed just fine.

                                                  1. thenurse Oct 12, 2006 05:56 PM

                                                    You can also substitute orange juice. At least you won't get a 'cheap' alcohol taste to it.

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                                                    1. re: thenurse
                                                      maria lorraine Sep 3, 2009 10:05 PM

                                                      Yep. Robert linked to a good recipe above. That's what I'd do -- I wouldn't use alcohol for a cake for this event, but that's just IMO.

                                                    2. mnosyne Oct 12, 2006 05:55 PM

                                                      Good orange extract goes a long way. It's about 24% alcohol, and a lot cheaper than Cointreau.

                                                      1. Robert Lauriston Oct 12, 2006 05:01 PM

                                                        Triple sec varies a lot in quality.

                                                        To save money, make your own orange syrup and mix it with inexpensive brandy or rum.

                                                        http://www.epicurious.com/recipes/rec...

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                                                        1. re: Robert Lauriston
                                                          maria lorraine Sep 3, 2009 10:04 PM

                                                          That's a good recipe. Sounds tasty -- and you could always substitute regular oranges for the blood oranges.

                                                        2. PBSF Oct 12, 2006 04:48 PM

                                                          You will notice some difference substituting Cointreau or Grand Marnier with triple sec or orange curacao for cake soaking. Given your budget, it is definitely an acceptable substitute. You cakes will taste fine. If you are using a moist filling/frosting, use a little less. Soaking a cake with straight liqueur can be quite overpowering. Many recipes call for a sugar syrup flavored with liqueur.

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                                                            cheryl_h Oct 12, 2006 04:43 PM

                                                            I'm not a drinker but I would go ahead with a less expensive liqueur. The cake's flavor will dominate so you just want a top note of orange and alcohol.

                                                            1. Marge Oct 12, 2006 04:36 PM

                                                              Gran Gala is a "faux-Cointreau/Grand Marnier" which is about half the price of either--more expensive than triple sec, but stronger in flavor (and alcohol, I believe).

                                                              1. mels Oct 12, 2006 04:29 PM

                                                                The recipe is for a cake where the Cointreau is to be poured over it and soak in (not cooked). I am wondering if the faux-Cointreau (whatever I may use) being it its "raw" state would have a different taste. Unfortunately I have to make a mass quantity of said cake for a non-profit event, so the budget for ingredients is limited. I would rather not spend $30 for a 750 mL bottle if I can help it!

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                                                                  kstroble Oct 12, 2006 03:38 PM

                                                                  mels - it is certainly possible that you could substitute triple sec and nobody would know the difference unless you told them. Curacao is also an orange flavored liqueur and is available in a wide range of prices. Some of them are quite reasonable.

                                                                  However, to get a truly informed opinion, it would help if you were to tell us what the recipe is that you are making.

                                                                  1. MMRuth Oct 12, 2006 03:34 PM

                                                                    I often buy the little "airplane" size bottles if I only need a small amount. Can't help on the substitution, though I think Cointreau/Grand Marnier have a much smoother taste than Triple Sec - don't know if it would make difference in the recipe. What are you making?

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