333459 Thu Oct 12 01:56:56 -0700 2006 28 34 Wine 0 1939905 Anybody tried these? Are they really much sturdier and less prone to clouding from automatic dishwashers? http://www.pcfallon.com/Tritanstory.asp Thu Oct 12 01:56:56 -0700 2006 11369 Robert Lauriston 1 1940870 No experience with them, but eagerly awaiting feedback. They were mentioned in this month's K&L Wines newsletter, at $8.99 each for the "Forte" line (must purchase case of 6). http://www.klwines.com/find/search.asp?w=tritan&ob=an&wr=e Thu Oct 12 15:39:15 -0700 2006 1939905 23298 SanJoseHound 2 1940899 Yes - they are every bit as good as you may have read. Virtually unbreakable - we clanged two together forcefully to test that claim. They come out of the dishwasher in great shape. I bought two for a trial and after we used them for a while, we quickly bought about 6 more. We still use our Riedel glasses as part of the glass service for very nice dinners, but the Tritan is our default for during the week and less fancy events. We have had the Tritans for more than 1 year. I think ours are similar to, but not exactly the same as, the Tritan DIVA Cabernet/Merlot/Bordeaux series currently offered on the Wine Enthusiast site. http://www.wineenthusiast.com/E/results.asp?Ntt=tritan&N=0&Ntk=Product&Nty=1&Ntx=mode%2Bmatchallpartial&sl=1&uid=E7645729-B23D-4ED6-BE96-0EE2A2C9622E Thu Oct 12 15:48:36 -0700 2006 1940870 14225 kstroble 1 1950887 They may be dishwasher safe, but almost of them are too tall to fit in our dishwasher! Kind of defeats the purpose. Tue Oct 17 04:19:55 -0700 2006 1939905 11369 Robert Lauriston 2 1953346 That's unfortunate. They fit really well in ours on the bottom rack at the back. Tue Oct 17 23:49:06 -0700 2006 1950887 14225 kstroble 3 1953521 After a dinner party the bottom rack's full of plates! The "Tritan Mondial All Purpose White Wine Glass" is only 7.3", I ordered a dozen ($8 a stem, $105 total with shiping) from: http://www.pcfallon.com Wed Oct 18 00:47:53 -0700 2006 1953346 11369 Robert Lauriston 4 1953733 I can't promise you that this is true, but we have been told by a couple of different disherwasher sales and repair people that we should NEVER use the lemon variety of dishwasher powder. They have said that the lemon is derived from a waxy substance that eventually causes problems with the dishwasher. So we generally use the most generic version of Cascade powder that we can buy. Whether that helps account for the lack of streaks and stains is another question entirely, which I can't answer. But I know we do not have streaking and staining problems. Wed Oct 18 02:10:58 -0700 2006 1953521 14225 kstroble 4 1953746 After a dinner party, we generally have to do at least three dishwasher loads! One of those is mostly glassware. But it sure beats handwashing 15 or 20 Reidel glasses. We generally give each guest three wine glasses - one Reidel, one Tritan and one Silver Oak(which is not nearly as nice a glass, but is also dishwasher safe). Then they can decide which wine should be tasted in which glass. During the week, we are all Tritan, all the time. Wed Oct 18 02:18:16 -0700 2006 1953521 14225 kstroble 4 2044555 Robert, how have your Tritan glasses been working out? Fri Nov 24 07:00:19 -0800 2006 1953521 14225 kstroble 5 2045045 Fine so far. They're kind of small. Fri Nov 24 18:09:23 -0800 2006 2044555 11369 Robert Lauriston 1 1953394 We are exclusively using Schott Zweisel titanium crystal... unbreakeable, completely dishwasher safe... they aren't easy to find... we had to buy them from a Brittish website... spent about $700 on 12 sets of Bordeux, Burgundy & Water Glasses / Goblets (36 pieces all together).... not cheap relative to Riedel's but a lot cheapter, healthier & more attractive than classic leaded crystal. http://www.brentwoodwine.com/schott.html Wed Oct 18 00:01:56 -0700 2006 1939905 42572 Eat_Nopal 2 1954978 The Zweisel Tritan lines have been getting a lot of press lately, and are much more available. Amazon has them, and Crystal Classics (crystalclassics.com) has an extensive selection. Speaking of selection, we have some of the Tritan "Selection" series on the way at $11 each. Now: how is "Tritan" pronounced? Wed Oct 18 17:38:02 -0700 2006 1953394 11332 Steve K 3 1955049 Holy Defecation! I guess it never pays to be an early adopter. Oh well... it was better than buying that leaded crystal crap from Macy's etc., Wed Oct 18 17:57:26 -0700 2006 1954978 42572 Eat_Nopal 4 1955651 Well, it depends. Some of the Tritan series are much more expensive. Check the Crystal Classics website to see how much it cost you to be said early adopter. And how many glasses didn't you break in the meantime? ;) Wed Oct 18 20:47:31 -0700 2006 1955049 11332 Steve K 3 4350316 I bought my Zweisel Tritan's from IWA, which is owned by Dean and Deluca. A set of 6 of the goes for $60. I bought the whole series. I love them. I can't have fancy stemware because all my friends including myself are big klutzes. I don't put them in the dishwasher though. I like washing all my glasses by hand. http://www.iwawine.com Fri Jan 23 06:56:10 -0800 2009 1954978 11701 MrsT 1 2008530 The Herbfarm, a famous Seattle area restaurant uses Titanium in their restaurant. When we ate there I found the glasses very thin rimmed and lovely. We were served a 9-course meal with 6 different wines, each in a different glass and every wine glass was wonderful. I'm not sure of the european company that supplies The Herbfarm but they do sell them at relatively good prices through The Herbfarm website: http://www.theherbfarm.com/Shop-ProdCat2.tmpl?WidthX=800&Cart=1163087843600038&thisCat=14&PageStatus=ListCat&Src=[Src] Thu Nov 09 16:05:25 -0800 2006 1939905 52088 huruta 1 2045069 We've had six of the Forte since April, and have already managed to break one by dropping it on a padded vinyl floor. I was disappointed, but they are beautiful, and certainly sturdier than the average crystal. Fri Nov 24 18:26:20 -0800 2006 1939905 11571 Marcia Morgan 1 2045398 We just purchased 1/2 dozen from K&L as a gift for my in-laws and if looks count for anything, they are beautiful. My husband and I seriously considered keeping them for ourselves as they are that nice. I see the SF Chronicle's wine section has these as a recommended gift item in today's edition so I would imagine that they will get quite the demand. Fri Nov 24 21:46:14 -0800 2006 1939905 33941 rosielucchesini 1 2063757 I just ordered some of these for my parents for a Christmas gift. They don't use crystal wine glasses because they want something that can handle the "wear and tear" of the dishwasher without constant breakage, yet they always admire the the thin rims and feel of my Spiegelaus when they come over. I figure even if they don't hold up for years, my folks will get to drink from nice glasses on a daily basis, and the price is right. The best mail-order price I found is from the Wine Club, at $39.95 for a set of 6. http://www.thewineclub.com/results?id=oVJ7RMyv&mv_pc=835 Sat Dec 02 07:29:22 -0800 2006 1939905 10074 Caitlin McGrath 1 3093946 Still haven't broken any after a year of heavy use. No discoloration from the dishwasher, either. Sun Nov 04 11:26:34 -0800 2007 1939905 11369 Robert Lauriston 2 3098516 I've managed to break a couple, one unsurprisingly because I ran into the kitchen faucet but another rather inexplicably just by rubbing my fingers along the rim to clean. Mon Nov 05 19:29:47 -0800 2007 3093946 17813 Bill on Capitol Hill 2 3113904 You mentioned previously that the ones you bought were a bit small; have you gotten over that aspect? Would you have bought the larger ones but for the dishwasher size issue? Sat Nov 10 19:22:01 -0800 2007 3093946 31795 ibstatguy 1 3692540 Okay, I've read all of the responses and will share what I've learned. My first "full" set of wine glasses (save for the four hand cut, but somewhat non-uniform lead crystal glasses from Czechoslovakia which I purchased freshman year in college) was Schott Zweisel. Moving from Chicago to St. Louis, I soon noticed my lead crystal stemware becoming cloudly. (The Frididaire repairman attributed it to hot water; I lowered the temperature of my water with no effect; occasionally, I washed the glasses in CLR, etc.) And they became even more crazed in Atlanta. After a couple of decades (and a high ROI), I started to research for replacements. I finally found Zwiesel's website and learned all about Tritan. Then the challenge was to see the glasses in person. I found a couple glasses in Weston, Florida. The Enoteca was really elegant, but I just didn't have shelves with enough height for them. Then I learned that William Glenn in Sacramento was one of the largest dealers in northern California; and I was working in Sacramento. One of my concerns was their height - and their volume. I really hate pouring a half a bottle into a single glass. So, I picked the shortest that I could find - Forte. Even so, I had to reconfigure my cabinet shelves to accommodate their height. (Fortunately, I could.) Then there was the question of the dishwasher. After all, what's the use of dishwasher resistant glasses if they don't fit into the dishwasher (as so aptly noted in a prior response)? Fortunately, I was able to reconfigure the height of the upper tray. (Thank you, Miele - even if I had to forfeit my first born progeny to buy it.) So, my conclusions and recommendations: 1. Buy Schott Zweisel Tritan; it's great. It's break resistant and dishwasher resistant. 2. Find a dishwasher with an adjustable height tray - maybe Asko, Bosch, or LG has one, but I do love my Miele dishwasher (and vacuum cleaner, oven, hood, washing machine, and dryer). 3. Regardless of what stemware you use, find a LOW phosphate detergent. It's the phosphate which causes the crazing. Ignore the recommendation of the dishwasher manufacturer; I'll bet that there's some ulterior reason for the recommendation,. I use Ecover (this is an unpaid endorsement) that I buy at Whole Foods. It has no phosphate. It's easy on your glasses and great for the environment, and my dishes and glassware come out clean. Thu May 15 22:41:26 -0700 2008 1939905 192673 addominek 1 3905489 Still haven't broken any. Still no ill effects from the dishwasher (I just use whatever powder Costco sells). I would have bought slightly larger ones if they'd been available but I've gotten used to the smaller size. We often have two or three bottles open for comparison or whatever so a smaller pour is probably a good thing. Sun Jul 27 09:53:18 -0700 2008 1939905 11369 Robert Lauriston 2 3912042 I've had 18 of these over the past three years with 10 left. All are Tritan Divas, all bordeaux which is a very large glass. They're not unbreakable-that's a myth. BUT there are MUCH more difficult to break than any Reidel glass (I've used Vinum, Vinum Extreme (somewhat similar to the Tritan Divas in durability but much more expensive; my Vinum extremes have lasted almost as long) and Sommeliers which are absurdly easy to break). I wash the Divas in my dishwasher but I use a plastic frame which I hang them from. Overall, I love these glasses which is why I've had so many-I buy more when several break. I've seen these advertised for almost $90 and I've seen them sell for $39.95 on a Wine Enthusiast sale. I've also brought back a six pack from Stuttgart on an airplane which lead to my buying the rest. No, they are not a Sommelier, but they are a great every day glass and if you buy a larger glass and drink red, they will do justice to most wines. Don't hesitate to buy a glass that looks like a fishbowl. Especially if you like to swirl. Tue Jul 29 12:55:18 -0700 2008 3905489 12689 Joe H 3 5110427 For anyone reading this who lives in the Washington, D. C. area Fortessa is the North American importer and wholesaler for Schott Zweisel. They have an outlet store in Sterling, VA. It is approximately $50 for six Tritan Diva bordeaux glasses. They'll also have discontinued closeouts of Schott Zweisel for $5 or 6 a glass. Additionally, Zweisel hand blown crystal is available at remarkable prices. A $350 decanter was going for about a third of this a couple of weeks ago. Sat Oct 17 11:21:55 -0700 2009 3912042 12689 Joe H 2 3922875 I have had 56 of the Top Ten line of wine glasses for the last two years and have had only three broken glasses (all in the dishwasher when someone wedged a glass in a manner that made breakage inevitable). That said, I bought a set of the all purpose water goblets this year to use with Belgian beer -- four of the six glasses have broken. I don't know if there is a structural explanation, or if beer drinkers are just more clumsy.... Fri Aug 01 14:19:41 -0700 2008 3905489 14367 The Dive 2 4349516 Update: we finally broke one of my original 12 last month, "in the dishwasher when someone wedged a glass in a manner that made breakage inevitable." Based on that very positive experience I just bought six "Forte" Champagne flutes ($9 each from klwines.com). http://blogs.sfweekly.com/foodie/lauriston/ Thu Jan 22 19:16:00 -0800 2009 3905489 11369 Robert Lauriston 1 5110338 It's been a bad year for my Tritan glasses. We broke three more since January, so I'm down to eight of my original dozen purchased three years ago. The stupid tile floor in the kitchen's the culprit, in the dining room they just bounce off the wood floor and I imagine vinyl would be the same. Sat Oct 17 10:24:17 -0700 2009 1939905 11369 Robert Lauriston