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banjoboy Oct 2, 2006 05:11 PM

After a few dozen meals at the original Chung King (the one on Garfield), I was unable to make it out there for about 6 months. During that time, they relocated to San Gabriel Valley Blvd. I just went there yesterday for the first time, and much to my delight, the food was every bit as good as at the original location.

The interior of the restaurant is a bit "fancier" than the original, and from what I can recall of the Hunan place that used to be there, they've sealed off the kitchen and made the place a lot brighter and more cheerful.

But who cares about the decor. It's the food that matters, and it didn't disappoint. The water boiled beef is still potent and rich, the fried chicken is still the most perfectly deep-fried i've ever had, the tofu-gan is clean and bright.

And now, they even carry beer.

Give them a visit...

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    calabasas_trafalgar RE: banjoboy Oct 2, 2006 05:39 PM

    No thanks. I tried it once, worst Chinese I've had in years...

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      zruilong RE: calabasas_trafalgar Oct 2, 2006 06:23 PM

      Could you eloborate? That is not really helpful. Why was it the worst you had in years? Was it the wait staff that put you off. Was the food not to your expectation?

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        ipsedixit RE: zruilong Oct 2, 2006 07:36 PM

        Well, I've never been a big fan of Chung King and I can tell you what's wrong with it.

        Most dishes are overly salted, or too oily.

        Spicy dishes lack depth of character, all you end up tasting is the chili oil or peppers.

        Dishes lack consistency. One day the ma poa tofu will be pungent and salty, and another day it will have an oft-putting sweetness to it.

        The cold, preserved dishes, however, are generally very good.

        As an aside, regarding its new location. It seems so lonely out there on a rather deserted section of San Gabriel Blvd ... can't imagine they get very many walk-up customers ...

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          calabasas_trafalgar RE: zruilong Oct 4, 2006 08:09 PM

          Ipsedixit said all I would and more. Also the menu is lacking. Even if I found something I liked, there wasn't enough on the menu that warranted going back again. I should have gone to Oriental Pearl, this was right before they went away.

          No problem with the wait staff, they were very nice.

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          oro3030 RE: calabasas_trafalgar Oct 3, 2006 12:51 AM

          The hyperbole on this board never ceases to amaze me.
          I have been about 5 times in the last 4 months. The water boiled dishes are fantastic , as is the kung pao, the spare ribs with prickly ash, and the bacon with leeks. And they are consistent. I have had several other dishes there and they have all been fine except for the dan dan noodles which are underwheliming. I have been there with and without Chinese friends and its been consistent over the last few months. I think it's clearly better and more consistent than Best Sichuan or Lucky Dragon.
          One can quibble about whether its better or worse than one sichuan place or another but to say it's the worst Chinese you have had in years is insane unless you've been living in China.

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            Will Owen RE: oro3030 Oct 3, 2006 01:21 AM

            I'm with oro3030 on this one. I'd NEVER had any real Sichuan food until we took a visiting friend (who's had quite a lot) to Chung King. We were delighted with everything we had, including the dan dan noodles, especially the ribs with prickly ash. It was an exhilarating meal, very satisfying and dirt cheap, and we will definitely be back.

        3. Bon Vivant RE: banjoboy Oct 3, 2006 02:13 AM

          I've been to Chung King twice in the last couple of months and I've had great meals there both times. I usually get the ribs with the prickly ash, the diced chicken with chili peppers, the puffed rice with sliced chicken (as a palate cleanser), and then one type of spicy noodle dish. And various bits from the cold buffet.

          http://myculinaryadventures.blogspot....

          1. Quik RE: banjoboy Oct 5, 2006 12:27 AM

            I went to the Chung King on 260 Garfield (just south of Garvey) last Friday.

            My favorites were the Delicucus Smelled Beef, which were indeed "delicucus," the Fried Chicken Cubes with Red Pepper, and the Eggplant and Fried Cabbage (napa).

            Ribs with prickly ash were just alright, mostly batter and bone and the waitress recommended a fish dish ($12.99)that was again, simply alright. Sorry, I can't remember more specifics right now.

            Rounded it off with two of the cold appetizers: seaweed and pig's ear.

            Apparently, however, the restaurant has moved to San Gabriel Blvd.. Where exactly did I eat?

            1. Eat_Nopal RE: banjoboy Oct 5, 2006 12:33 AM

              Don't know if they are related by Chung King on Pico Blvd in West L.A. was quite good. I loved the Shredded Pork with Ginger in Szechwan sauce with Green Beans.

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                wilafur RE: Eat_Nopal Oct 5, 2006 12:45 AM

                i believe the place is called cheng du now.

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                  Jerome RE: Eat_Nopal Oct 6, 2006 07:23 AM

                  no relation. the food is quite different. Chungking never had water boiled dishes, or frog or kidneys or even the tea and camphor smoked duck. (that's the pico one).

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                  Neta RE: banjoboy Oct 6, 2006 02:04 PM

                  I went to the Chung King on Garfield yesterday. It is still there. I had the roasted spareribs in prickly ash, the fried cabbage w/sour and chili flavor and the Chung King flavored noodles (Dan Dan). I really like the ribs and cabbage. I wouldn't order those noodles again. They were nothing special.

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                    Quik RE: Neta Oct 10, 2006 06:49 AM

                    I went to Chung King (on Garfield) again a few days ago and had the Fried Chicken Cubes with Red Pepper (so unbelievably addicting, the beef with preserved pepper (nothing special and not spicy), the stir fried ong choy (good, but I prefer the preparation with the fermented soy), and a soup (a tart, sourish one with vermicilli - loved it).

                    I also asked a waitress if they were affiliated with the restaurant on San Gabriel Blvd and she denied it vigorously.

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                      webb RE: Neta Dec 5, 2006 07:40 PM

                      So which is it? There seems to be conflicting reports. I always used to go to Chungking on Garfield south of Garvey, but started going to the new one on San Gbariel Blvd because I heard they moved. Didn't notice any difference in the food, though the English translations on the menu seemed different. And now I hear Chungking is still on Garfield and totally unrelated to the Chungking on San Gabriel? Can anyone explain this?

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                      dreamcast18 RE: banjoboy Oct 20, 2006 07:32 PM

                      Both are horrible! Tried the one on San Gabriel...worst froglegs I ever had! Avoid!

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                        sel RE: dreamcast18 Oct 20, 2006 08:04 PM

                        I beg to differ! Went to the original location too many times to count. Tried the new location recently and it was wonderful food in a nicer space. Spare ribs with prickly ash and water-boiled beef and fish, chicken chunks with dried Sichuan chilis, no cold apps. this time but the peanuts with little fisheees, mother in law or whatever its called beef slices etc. and other selections were always yummy! One of my favorite restaurants - cause the food is great, not prepared to appeal to those that think Panda Express is authentic Chinese cusine - PERIOD!!!

                      2. echoparkdirt RE: banjoboy Dec 5, 2006 06:38 PM

                        Chung King on San Gabriel is incredible. The water-boiled fish, fried chicken cubes, kung pao chicken, cold chicken with spicy sauce, it's all fantastic. My favorite Chinese in Los Angeles.

                        1. Will Owen RE: banjoboy Dec 6, 2006 06:20 PM

                          Okay, I guess I should apologize to everyone I've been mouthing off to about whether Chung King has moved or not. We just took Jonathon Gold's word for it that they'd shut down the old place and moved to San Gabriel, and that the new place was even better than the old. He was obviously wrong about the first part. As for the second, well, we LOVED the food on San Gabriel, and THEY have beer and take plastic, so I suppose it shall remain a matter of conjecture...

                          1. mcmal RE: banjoboy Dec 18, 2006 11:19 PM

                            The ChungKing on San Gabriel is indeed the replacement for the old one on Garfield. The one on Garfield is still open but it is owned by different people. The one on Garfield, while retaining much of the menu, is not nearly as good.

                            The Chung King on San Gabriel, despite what some here might think, is very good (probably the best Sichuan in town since Oriental Pearl closed). But I have gone wrong with orders there. For one, I think that the ribs in prickly ash is disgusting, despite what Gold says. The kung pao, on the other hand, is fantastic, one of the best I've had in the U.S., and again to disagree with Gold, far better than the chopped fried chicken in peppers. I also highly recommend the dry beef in hot peppers (is what I think one of the waitresses calls it in English, on the menu it is one of the items not translated into English, it's 12.99 and very big). Also the whole fish Sichuan style is great.

                            My biggest problem with the place is the lack of consistency when it comes to the Sichuan peppercorns. Sometime they put them in, sometimes it seems like they don't. And although it's still good when they go light, it's always much better with.

                            My hope is that Oriental Pearl will reopen somewhere soon. I really miss it, and I especially miss that lamb dish that was the first thing on the menu. Does anybody know anywhere else that makes this dish? Please, I'm desperate.

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                              Will Owen RE: mcmal Dec 19, 2006 06:58 PM

                              One person's "disgusting" can apparently be another's addiction. Our mob devoured our platter of spareribs down to the crumbs, and probably could have handled a double order.

                              Yes, the food there does tend to be a tad salty and oily. Not all of us think that's a bad thing...

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                                mcmal RE: Will Owen Dec 19, 2006 10:27 PM

                                I know that many people love the spareribs. I only tried them once, and both of the other people at the table agreed that they weren't so good.
                                With all the rave reviews they get, I suppose I should try them again to make sure that it wasn't a fluke, but I've developed a short list of favorites and it's hard to deviate.

                                And yeah, the food is salty and oily -but in a good way.

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                                JudiAU RE: mcmal Dec 19, 2006 09:28 PM

                                Nope...but I sure do miss that lamb.

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                                  mcmal RE: JudiAU Mar 22, 2007 02:05 AM

                                  R.Q.W. Spicy Chinese Food has the lamb, and much of the menu of Oriental Pearl.

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                                    mcmal RE: mcmal Mar 22, 2007 10:43 AM

                                    Looking over R.Q.W.'s menu again, it is the same exact menu as Oriental Pearl (with a couple of deletions and additions, but it even looks the same down to the fonts used). Looks like this is where they've reopened, finally.

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                                      JudiAU RE: mcmal Mar 23, 2007 09:56 AM

                                      Excellent! Sounds terrific.

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                                  sel RE: mcmal Mar 23, 2007 11:53 AM

                                  I miss Oriental Pearl as well but I am a big fan of Chung King Restaurant in San Gabriel, I LOVE their food! Regarding your comment:

                                  "My biggest problem with the place is the lack of consistency when it comes to the Sichuan peppercorns. Sometime they put them in, sometimes it seems like they don't. And although it's still good when they go light, it's always much better with."

                                  I agree with this point at CK and elsewhere. I cook Sichuan food often and I find that since the USDA required heat treatment of Sichuan peppercorns in order to protect the US citrus crop from a 'citrus canker' I must TRIPLE the amount called for in recipes in order to get the proper numbing/tingling! I don't think that the cooks are tasting their food enough before serving. Many recipes call for a sprinkling of Sichuan pepper onto the dish after stir frying and I do carry my own for adding to dishes when I eat out. This technique works!

                                  http://www.uni-graz.at/~katzer/engl/Z...

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                                  will47 RE: banjoboy Dec 19, 2006 10:42 PM

                                  My gf heard that the original chef left and started a restaurant down in SD... beyond that, I don't know which (if any) is the "real" one.

                                  ps - Are there any reliable vegetarian dishes there? I got a menu the other day, and it looked like there were a few that might be possible to make vegetarian. The gf speaks Chinese, if it makes a difference.

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                                    Will Owen RE: will47 Dec 20, 2006 04:38 PM

                                    Only pure veggie dish we saw was the bitter melon (called "balsam pear" on the menu). Don't think you want that!

                                    I don't know, come to think of it, if there's any meat involved in the "homely" tofu, which is really luscious if you like tofu. Even my tofu-hating wife says it's OK.

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                                      banjoboy RE: will47 Mar 22, 2007 09:25 AM

                                      There is a terrific tofu gan dish; I think it's called tofu gan with leeks. I _suspect_ it's vegetarian (there's no visible meat in the dish). Also, many of the cold appetizers are vegetarian as well. I'm sure there are other items.

                                      Will47, if you go with your Chinese speaking girlfriend, I think we'd all like to hear about the "original" vs. "real" debate. The waitresses at the San Gabriel Blvd location have told me that they are the "real" location, but language barriers have prevented me from learning much more. Enjoy your meal.

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                                        sel RE: banjoboy Mar 22, 2007 10:00 AM

                                        The Chung King that was located at at 206 S Garfield Ave. in Monterey Park for several years and a favorite of J. Gold, L.A. Times, ChowHound and me moved to 1000 S San Gabriel Blvd, San Gabriel, it's that simple. Different people opened up a new restaurant at the old Garfield Ave. location but did not change the signage and kept the same name!

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                                        ladelfa RE: will47 Mar 23, 2007 08:10 AM

                                        We've successfully ordered completely vegetarian meals there on several occasions. Having a speaker of Mandarin at the table with you may be compulsory, however, to ensure that the dishes you are getting will be made su-da / mei-yo-ro.

                                        And bitter melon is awesome, despite what everybody else sez.

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                                          Will Owen RE: ladelfa Mar 23, 2007 02:59 PM

                                          "And bitter melon is awesome, despite what everybody else sez."

                                          I think the most astute comment on this would be, "This is a dish that will be very much enjoyed by people who like this sort of thing." Not *ENTIRELY* kidding here, as this bitter melon was obviously well prepared and looked gorgeous. Tasted good too, except for the closing-up-my-throat part...

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