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Fresh Dates on the Stem - When can we eat them?

liu Sep 11, 2006 12:15 AM

A couple weeks ago we purchased some fresh yellow dates on the stem; they were hard. I left them on the counter, yet they are still hard and yellow; they have not turned a translucent brown yet, although they have begun to slightly wrinkle.

Someone advised us to eat them as they are purchased. I tried them, eating the outer skin and all around the pit. They have a bitterness about them, but there is an underlying sweetness that is addictive. I also like the crunch! I keep wanting to eat more, but I am just not sure they are ready.

When can they safely be eaten? If they are a bit bitter, will my stomach talk to me later?

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  1. Pei RE: liu Sep 11, 2006 12:43 AM

    I've been wondering the same thing, but here's my experience.

    I've eaten one a day every day this week and had no stomach problems even though the first two were very underripe. I don't think bitter is the right word; more like astringent the way an underipe banana is.

    They do get sweeter over time, but not very quickly at all.

    Today I ate one around the white part surrounding the seeds. That is, just the yellowy skin part, no fluffy white part. That seemed to cut down on the unpleasant taste and enhance that addictive sweetness.

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      liu RE: Pei Sep 11, 2006 01:00 AM

      Pei -- your description is quite accurate! It is a likable astringency, rather than a bitterness.

      How long will it take them to really sweeten? Does the caloric count change as they ripen?

      Are they only available at this time of year? It seems that only now am I seeing them in some of the markets, so they are either in season or just becoming more available to us????

      Thanks for any information.

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        Pei RE: liu Sep 11, 2006 02:57 PM

        I've had mine since last Wednesday and the skins are just beginning to turn a dull, darker yellow. They're not even really translucent yet. I'll keep you posted if they get really sweet.

        Sorry, don't have other answers for you but will try to remember to ask!

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          liu RE: Pei Sep 11, 2006 07:45 PM

          Thanks, Pei!

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      sweetTooth RE: liu Sep 11, 2006 09:44 PM

      I bought some atleast 3, maybe even 4 weeks ago. I kept wanting to use them in a salad - like a corn salad or couscous salad with chili-lime dressing - while they were still firm, but never got around to it. So I've just been eating them, 3 or 4 at a time as they soften, with some delicious grana padano. After almost a month, I still have 8-10 that haven't softened all the way. They will get brown (a pale brown) over time and the skin will get papery translucent and easy to peel off. They will slide off the seed even, with the slightest tug. By then all the astringent qualities will be gone though. If yours are already wrinkly, I don't know how appealing that texture would be in a salad.

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        liu RE: sweetTooth Sep 11, 2006 11:27 PM

        sweetTooth,

        I am patient as you are suggesting, but they are good as they are even in their premature state; if I munch a few a day, I will probably end up with one or two that make it all the way to their ultimate sweetness!

        I will buy more. Are they seasonal? How long is the season?

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          sweetTooth RE: liu Sep 12, 2006 01:16 AM

          liu,

          No idea at all regarding length of the season, if any. Just saw them at my local farmer's market for the first time when I bought them. I can ask the farmer if I see her again. I did ask her if people cook with them and she hadn't heard of it, but saw my point about using in a salad. I am surprised you found the skin to have less of an aftertaste - my experience was the reverse. I'll try another tonight and confirm. Not that it matters, since you like them anyway! :)

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            liu RE: sweetTooth Sep 12, 2006 01:47 AM

            I will toss a few with our salad tonight...thanks for the idea!

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        xam RE: liu Sep 28, 2006 12:39 AM

        liu,
        just by chance, I had a similar experience and did not know what to do with the fresh, yellow dates I bought.
        I stumbled on this web site and was surprised to note that nobody had any real advice for you.
        So I wrote to a date farm in California and asked questions similar to yours. Here is part of the answer I got today:
        The yellow crisp date is a Barhee. They are common amongst Arabs, Chinese and Indians. They are best kept cool and eaten as is. If you set them out on the counter they will ripen and turn brown. Then they will be very soft with a different taste. Not to be confused when they are tree ripened and very sweet.
        For a first time date person I would not recommend the yellow. Look for a soft fresh Medjool. If it has a slightly moist outer-coating it is last years crop which was kept in storage and steamed to make it soft. The flavor will not be as good as a fresh Medjool. I would not recommend those either. Buy fresh. This years Medjool crop is being harvest right now.
        Not to make it any more confusing to you but we grow about 14 different varieties. Each has a different texture, appearance and taste. Some have invert sugar and some cane sugar. Within each single variety of date you can have 6 different taste. All depends on how long they have been on the palm and it's sugar content.

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          liu RE: xam Sep 28, 2006 04:17 PM

          xam - I so appreciate that you took an interest in my dilemma; every morning I would look at the stem of fresh, yellow dates and drool. I just did not know when to indulge. However, there were several people - of various nationalities - over the huge bin in the market (Super King) showing me that they could be eaten yellow; they would pop them right there on the spot (unpaid for!) while shifting through the dates that they would eventually buy. They were definitely laughing at me -- and with me -- as they gave me a 101 course in date-eating...so elementary for them!

          Every day, while they were yellow, I would sneak one or two (three or four) and although a little bitter, they had an underlying sweetness. Very quickly they were gone and I never really had the chance to let them ripen on the vine. They did begin to wrinkle slightly, and with each day of my very scientific "testing," they did improve in flavor. Next time I will need to buy several branches.

          I really appreciate all the information you found and shared with me; surely, you made me realize that a date is not just a date...there are many variables and varieties. However, I am still not afraid to just ask all those friendly shoppers hovering over the bins -- buying HUGE quantities -- what to do. I never got sick eating them yellow as they had suggested, but I also think that if I had waited -- as you advise -- I would have had a more delicious experience!

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            JMF RE: xam Sep 30, 2013 02:01 PM

            How can a date have cane sugar? They must mean sucrose.

          2. danna RE: liu Sep 28, 2006 03:43 PM

            A friend who works at a Middle Eastern restaurant gave me a branch (for lack of a better term) of dates. I had to wait a LONG time as they slowly ripened, darkened, shriveled, and became soft and sweet...but they did and they were lovely.

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              liu RE: danna Sep 28, 2006 04:23 PM

              danna - As you point out, they take a very long time to ripen ad begin to turn a little translucent. But as you can read, I had NO patience. I eventually ate all of them in their yellow stage. The flavor was addicting, although a little bitter. Next time I will buy many more "branches."

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              LeahGG RE: liu Sep 6, 2012 11:54 AM

              I can't believe no one gave the right answer... You're supposed to FREEZE them before you eat them. Once they've been frozen, you can eat them frozen or you can thaw them and use them.

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                liu RE: LeahGG Sep 9, 2012 09:40 PM

                Experience since my original post six years ago has proven that these yellow stem dates can be enjoyed at all stages.

                If our kitchen is warm, they will ripen quickly to a translucent brown; the sweetness is perfect! If our kitchen is cooler, perhaps from the air conditioner, it will take longer for these yellow fruits to turn brown. Sometimes, in the cooler kitchen they will remain yellow and shrivel to a harder fruit. Still, at any stage these dates can be enjoyed. Yes, the yellow fruits offer a bitterness that a ripened date does not have, yet I find this bitterness to be just another personality of the date. With patience and warmth, a date as we know it can be achieved, however, it doesn't always happen. At every stage, I enjoy these yellow stem dates.

                LeahGG, next time I purchase some of these yellow dates, I will try your method for yet another taste treat.

              2. luckyfatima RE: liu Sep 10, 2012 07:32 AM

                The hard ones are not yet ripe and they will be unpleasant to eat, astringent and not at all sweet. You must allow them to soften and turn brown and mushy. Once they are soft, you can store them in the fridge. Leave them out in the sun to help them ripen.

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                  liu RE: luckyfatima Sep 10, 2012 07:49 AM

                  Yes, luckyfatima, those hard yellow stem dates are "astringent and not at all sweet," but there is something very appealing to me about eating them at this stage. They are crunchy and astringent...and then that date sweetness note becomes apparent. I love them at this stage -- and at every other stage of their ripening!

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                    ipsedixit RE: liu Sep 10, 2012 08:04 AM

                    Well, I'm just glad however you ate them some six years ago you survived to tell us about it!

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                      liu RE: ipsedixit Sep 10, 2012 08:37 AM

                      As always, very funny, ipse~

                      Seriously, consuming these yellow stem dates has never bothered my stomach.
                      At Super King, here in Los Angeles, I always see shoppers tasting these yellow fruits! When I inquire of these patrons what to do with these unripened dates, they all tell me that it is okay to eat them at this stage.

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                  monjo RE: liu Jan 17, 2013 07:46 AM

                  Fresh yellow dates are supposed to be somehat crunchy. The texture should be as firm as an apple and the stone should come away as easy as a pip. They vary somewhat in sweetness from a cloying treacle to some as described, rather tart but with a following sweetness. Enjoy! What a marvelous food!

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                    liu RE: monjo Jan 17, 2013 08:41 AM

                    Thanks, monjo, for weighing in with such good information.

                    Since my original post in '06, I have enjoyed many of these yellow dates in all stages of "doneness." As you mentioned, they are delicious when they are somewhat crispy, yet sweet...before they begin to turn brown and translucent.

                    Sadly, now I will have to wait until September again until these are available in the markets.

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                    Tapani RE: liu Aug 24, 2013 07:22 AM

                    I can't believe that only ONE person knew how to sweeten them on entire on line answers - FREEZE them before you eat them. The principle is it allows the sugar to turn and thus become sweet. It happens with other fruits too in Northern climate too.

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                      liu RE: Tapani Aug 24, 2013 08:09 AM

                      Thanks, Tapani...I will try freezing them. I must say, however, that I have become very fond of eating them right after purchase, yellow and off the stem. I like the tinge of astringency and then the hit of the date sugars.

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                        Tapani RE: liu Aug 24, 2013 07:03 PM

                        Absolutely, but at times they are too 'yellow' and it is a shame to have them go to waste. Hence the 'feeezing' tip

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                        rose water RE: Tapani Sep 30, 2013 08:56 AM

                        I just bought a bunch from a street vendor in NYC. They are yellow, with smooth skin, and taste exactly as Liu describes--crunchy, astringent, with a wonderful sweetness. Freezing is fascinating--for how long? with what endpoint?

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                          Tapani RE: rose water Sep 30, 2013 05:56 PM

                          If they are soft enough, go ahead and have them with crunchy flavor. But I have found that 1/2 of mine do not ripen enough and shrivel without benefit.
                          The ones that I freeze, after they thaw, they become INCREDIBLY SWEET. So now I take from freezer as many as I need, and enjoy without waste.

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                            liu RE: rose water Oct 1, 2013 04:19 PM

                            Hi, rose water!

                            I, too, have been enjoying the current season's yellow dates on the stem. But now I am beginning to see the ripened dates at the Farmers Markets, so I believe that the yellow dates are not around any longer...'til next year!

                            Over the past few years I have found the yellow stem dates to vary greatly in quality. Look for ones that are bright yellow, not bruised and large.

                            We'll meet here again next year mid-September to continue this delicious discussion!

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                          Goatjunky RE: liu Aug 24, 2013 07:48 PM

                          This post got my attention beacause i live in the coachella valley. I have never purchased an unripe date and didnt even know you could. I googled and came up with this interesting article

                          http://homeguides.sfgate.com/ripen-da...

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                            Tapani RE: Goatjunky Aug 28, 2013 01:52 PM

                            Here as we have many people from Middle east and India, every summer we have wonderful season with fresh 'yellow' dates. But before learning to freeze and take out only what was needed for the day, so many of them dried up without turning sweeter before this method

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