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Report on Jay and Lloyd's Deli

Lizbet Aug 26, 2006 01:40 PM

My husband and I went to Jay & Lloyd's on Ave U, following chowhounds' recommendations. We were both disappointed. My husband had a wurst which was deep-friend instead of being grilled. I had a corned beef sandwich-- a real bellwether of Jewish delis. It was very mediocre-- lacking in flavor, flaky, falling apart.
Good, old-fashioned delis are extemely hard to find these days. I don't like tourist attractions such as the Stage and Carnegie. Any suggestions for good places in Brooklyn (or Manhattan)?

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    KRS RE: Lizbet Aug 26, 2006 01:59 PM

    For me, Carnegie has the best pastrami and corned beef, and I've tried all the recommended places (Katz's, Sarge's, Pastrami King/Queen).

    I agree that it's a madhouse, but if you go 2/3 of the way back and turn right into the second room, it's bearable.

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      MrsT RE: Lizbet Aug 27, 2006 02:38 AM

      I'm sorry you had suchs a lousy experience at Jay and Lloyd's. They USED to be good. I know there is another deli on Kings Highway, Adelman's. I also haven't been there in ages. It's so sad that you can't find a good kosher deli anymore.

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        kernel RE: Lizbet Aug 27, 2006 03:22 AM

        Been going to this deli for years-any time food hasn't been up to par, I've told Jay or lloyd and they are happy to make you happy by correcting the situation either by re-doing or substituting. There should be more guys like these in ANY business so willing to please. Trust me, if you had said something you would have left feeling quite differently

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          Jeffy RE: Lizbet Aug 27, 2006 04:04 AM

          I really love that the corned beef at Jay & Lloyd's is so tender that it's close to falling apart. I guess that's just a matter of preference. I've never had anything by flavorful meat there, though I prefer the pastrami to the corned beef.

          kernel is right about the friendliness of Jay/Lloyd (good thing they usually wear smocks with their names on them, because I can never remember which is which). Very nice people. The waiters have a bit of an attitude, though...

          1. bigmackdaddy RE: Lizbet Aug 27, 2006 06:48 AM

            Try David's Brisket House on Nostrand Ave by Herkimer. It's one and a half blocks behind Atlantic Avenue. It's run by this Yemeni guy. He makes really delicious deli sandwiches, especially corned beef, pastrami and probably the best brisket I've had in New York (he steams all the meats in house). Don't be put off by the deocor which is more soul food than deli. Let me know what you think if you decide to go there.

            1. jen kalb RE: Lizbet Aug 27, 2006 05:26 PM

              I wanted to thank you for reporting back! Sorry you didnt have an enjoyable meal.

              1. Polecat RE: Lizbet Aug 27, 2006 05:38 PM

                I have found that with pastrami, perhaps due to the delicate and exact curing process, itself a dying art, can be less than consistent at even the best places. At Katz's, it tends to be better at certain times than at others. Not having been to Jay & Lloyds, I'm guessing that - based on the above replies - it might be worth another shot.

                Also, I know that you specified Manhattan and Brooklyn, but, if you're ever out Queens way, you might try the ancient and underappreciated gem, Deli Masters (184-02 Horace Harding Expressway), which serves up a thinly sliced masterpiece of a pastrami sandwich. At least it is when they're on their game, that is.

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                  sam1 RE: Lizbet Aug 28, 2006 12:28 AM

                  jay and lloyds was never great was it? only thing i ever liked there was their noodle pudding.

                  i grew up going to adelmans on kings highway and i think 17th street. i think its kosher.

                  nothing beats katz though. there's simply nothing in their league.

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                    Matt M. RE: Lizbet Aug 29, 2006 01:34 PM

                    For that neighborhood, I always preferred Jay and Lloyd's over Adelman's. Adelman's saving grace is their fries, though. Everything else is mediocre. The best deli for sandwiches in the area, hands down, is a place called Lou's (I think - and it is Kosher) on Ave. P somewhere between Ocean Parkway and McDonald Ave. Their fries are not that good though.

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                      allydee RE: Lizbet Aug 30, 2006 04:25 AM

                      has essex on coney revived? if so, that place had for many years been my pref over j&L and adelmans whenever i was commandeered to bring kosher deli to my exacting parents in that area. essex on coney had a fire a couple of years ago that gutted the place. not sure if they reopened. i defaulted to adelmans, which wasn't a horrible option. plus, they will take a phone order to pick up, which beats standing on line for the inevitable 40 minutes. from essex on coney, i always brought my dad a half-pound of either corned beef or pastrami, club bread, and a tub of mustard; two hot dogs with everything on the side. his face is blissful while consuming said with a cold bud and a yankee game. too bad i'm a baseball-hating vegetarian!!!

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                        Peter Cherches RE: edm Mar 30, 2009 10:30 AM

                        I've recently been checking out Brooklyn delis (I'll eventually do a blog roundup). At Jay & Lloyd's the pastrami was fabulous; haven't tried the corned beef yet. I was very disappointed by Mill Basin after the accolades I've seen--both pastrami and corned beef were too salty and too dry. At the relocated Essex/Caravelle, the corned beef was excellent--my friend told me that it was cured in-house, but that most of their other meats were nothing special. I'm going to try Adelman's this coming weekend.


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                          Tay RE: Peter Cherches Mar 30, 2009 11:51 AM

                          Unfortunately, unless Adelman's has changed over the past yr, I wouldn't get my hopes up.:-(

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                            Peter Cherches RE: Tay Mar 31, 2009 05:03 PM

                            So I hear, but it's in the service of "journalism."

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                              Tay RE: Peter Cherches Mar 31, 2009 05:41 PM

                              Point well taken... I guess someone has to sacrifice for the greater good... :-)

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                                Peter Cherches RE: Tay Apr 5, 2009 12:06 PM

                                Well, having completed, for the time being, at least, my Brooklyn deli research, my experience, it seems, counters the general consensus. I thought the pastrami at Adelman's was pretty decent, and that both the pastrami and corned beef at Mill Basin were quite mediocre. I loved the pastrami at Jay and Lloyds, but I went back yesterday to try the corned beef, and it was mind-bogglingly bland (in agreement with the OP's comments), as was the matzoh ball soup. So the winners in my sandwich sweepstakes are the Pastrami at Jay and Lloyd's and the Corned Beef at Essex/Caravelle.

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                                  Tay RE: Peter Cherches Apr 5, 2009 03:09 PM

                                  "So the winners in my sandwich sweepstakes are the Pastrami at Jay and Lloyd's and the Corned Beef at Essex/Caravelle"

                                  Thanks for sharing your "research" with your fellow 'Hounds.
                                  I guess I've been lucky at J&L's, though both of my CB tastings were combo's so perhaps the pastrami and mustard carried the taste.
                                  I'm glad you had a good experience at Adelman's. We used to order a lot of platters from Adelman's and they would store them in the 'fridge w/o covering them properly and the meat would dry out. No matter how many times we told them, they would promise to correct the situation but never did, so we finally solved the problem by switching to J&L;s.

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                                    Matt M. RE: Tay Jul 27, 2009 01:31 PM

                                    For my money, the best sandwiches at a Brooklyn deli are Lou's (I think that's the name) on Ave. P, near McDonald Ave. Their sides are not great, but the sandwiches are.

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                                      sherrinyc RE: Matt M. Aug 6, 2009 09:28 AM

                                      Matt. M, I can't seem to find a reference to Lou's on Avenue P near MacDonald anywhere. Do you have more info? I'm intrigued and would love to check it out!

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                          magicalme613 RE: Lizbet Mar 17, 2009 11:08 AM

                          I think you should try the Mill Basin Deli, it's super

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                            Tay RE: magicalme613 Mar 18, 2009 04:06 PM

                            The food at Mill Basin is very good but the friendly and helpful staff at Jay & Lloyd's is so nice that they enhance the whole diniing experience.

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                              bigmackdaddy RE: Tay Jan 28, 2010 07:16 AM

                              Having been to Jay and Lloyd's and Mill Basin Deli, I have to say they both taste like the same mediocre stuff you get at most kosher style delis which aren't Katz's or David's Brisket House. I am interested in this Lou's though.

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