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Best Steak House in NYC?

Decor and price are not important....just the best steak

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  1. I haven't had it but three people have told me the steak at Perry Street (Jean Georges) served with some sort of fondue dipping sauce was the best steak they ever had. I should add that this is not a steakhouse.....just has good steak.

    My favorite is Del Friscos.....pretty touristy and very loud but they have the best sides.

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    1. re: jenniebnyc

      strip house
      black truffle creamed spinach
      scallops app.
      strip, midrare

      1. re: csw

        i actually really like the filet as boring as that is,
        its as soft as ive had
        but u cant beat the strip in my opinion
        love the goose fat potatoes and u cannot miss the choc layer cake
        ive had it all there and never disapoints
        love the clams app too

      2. Peter Lugar..nothing comes close

        1. Peter Luger, porterhouse for two, medium rare, creamed spinach. Steak nirvana. Get a sundae for dessert--I'm not kidding. Go there now.

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          1. re: kenito799

            tomato and onion salad, their bread, and, I'm not kidding,
            a side order of bacon. Shrimp cocktail as it exists nowhere else.

            1. re: serious

              Actually, I think the shrimp cocktail at Nemo/Prime 112 in miami is actually better, but it is close. Prime 112 is coming to nyc btw. Steak not even close to PL though.

              PL is easily the best steakhouse I have ever been to. Go for lunch so you can share a burger as an app :). Maybe the best burger ever.

            2. re: kenito799

              yes, plus the potatoes. ahhhh--sooooo good!

            3. Peter Luger's, no question. Though we went to Wolfgang's for mothers day and it came pretty close!

              1. I like the steak at Lugers but don't like the trek. I'm settling for Angelo and Maxies, who's steaks aren't bad. I get my meat fix here, good atmosphere, and no trek.

                1. at PL don't forget the individaul bacon slices either... cottage fries , If you don't like to trek .. Old Homestead or Strip House

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                  1. re: ggconcannon

                    Not big on Old Homestead (though the tower of toast is fun.)

                  2. Without a doubt , Peter Lugars is the best.

                    1. I'd like to add a thought here about consistency. The fact is, I've gone to PL and had fantastic steaks, but I've also gone and had some pretty mediocre ones too. The same is true of The Palm, Sparks, and countless other steakhouses in the city. There is an upper echelon of steakhouses in this city, and I think they've all been mentioned in this post and the others, but what makes one better than another on a given night is as much a matter of chance as it is quality of beef and a grilling skills.

                      One other thing about Luger's--and I'll admit, I'm being a little contrarian for contrary's sake: I sometimes wonder if it's all worth it. The steaks can be fantastic (though if you like a cut other than porterhouse, good luck--I'm more of a New York Strip guy myself, and I'm SOL at Luger's), but there are other things that can diminish the experience. Your reservation is essentially meaningless and after more than 25 years of dining there, I sometimes wonder when "charmingly brusque waiters" crosses over into just plain surly at times.

                      Here's my theory--Luger's reputation is based in part on a long and proud tradition of being the best (or one of the very best) steakhouses in the city, but that rep is enhanced by the restaurant's relative remoteness to Manhattan. Up until recently, a trip to Luger's meant a car ride to a lightly-trafficked corner of Brooklyn. Once you get there, you have to sort of justify the trip. "This is the greatest..." people tell themselves and others, because they just spent 30 minutes to an hour to get there, and they're going to drop upwards of $75 a person when they're through. Put it another way: If Luger's was in midtown Manhattan, it would still be considered one of the finest steakhouses around, but others would creep into that top spot from time to time. It would in a class of great steakhouses, which I think is where it should have been all along.

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                      1. re: sgrobart

                        "The steaks can be fantastic (though if you like a cut other than porterhouse, good luck--I'm more of a New York Strip guy myself, and I'm SOL at Luger's)..."

                        You're SOL only if you don't realize that steak for one is a strip.

                        1. re: meatme

                          or if you're unaware that a porterhouse is a strip steak cooked "bone in" plus a filet. It's the only steak that's actually two distinct cuts. If the filet is small, they'll call it a T-bone, but if it's big (closer to the middle of the animal), then it's called a porterhouse. Unfortunately, there's too many names for the same thing in steak.

                        2. re: sgrobart

                          @sgrobart: Absolutely right. My Luger's steak (for four) a few weeks ago was fine. Not astounding. Luger's is an institution, and god bless its brusque, buttery soul, but it has no monopoly on greatness. Depending on the night, a steak at Wolfgang's, Strip House or S&W can meet or exceed the deliciousness of the original.

                        3. Only part of the PL experience not mentioned in this string so far is the Schlag that comes with all the deserts. Some of the best whipped cream anywhere.

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                          1. Burton and Doyles in Manhasett, LI
                            Uncle Jack's in Bayside, Queens
                            Peter Luger's in Willamsburg ,Brooklyn (First Stop)
                            Ember's in Bay Ridge ,Bklyn
                            Enjoy FAL

                            1. They tried PL in Manhattan with Wolfgang's .. It was awful ... even the bread was lame.. was a shame cause the space is great. Houstons is a little further south but way better. Fabulous salad too .. But the Strip House has truffled spinach .. an vegetable insight you must experience sometime..
                              PL also has fabulous adult beverages.. in a manly , man's bar area.. so the wait is fun too ..

                              1. Oh man, this is gonna make me look like such a loser, but I wasn't really so completely impressed by Peter Luger - I mean, I was expecting to be absolutely blown away. Getting a reservation was a big pain, and I ended up having to get it three weeks in advance for a Wednesday at nine o'clock. I was really pumped up and ready to have the best steak I've ever had.

                                And I might have, I wasn't sure. It was some excellent, excellent beef; it wasn't so far better than everything else, though, that I'd say it was worth the hassle of getting the reservation and the trip. I mean, it was a while ago, but I didn't remember it as being that superior to Morton's, really. Well, okay, Luger's spinach/potatoes/SUNDAE (that whipped cream!) really pushed it over into "the best" range.

                                However, in the future, I'll just go to Sparks instead, as it's a lot easier and comes pretty darn close in quality, even though it's a pretty different style (not quite so buttery). I can't think of a place less "chow-ish" than Sparks, as it's basically a big expensive cafeteria at this point with a ridiculous atmosphere, but it is really my favorite steak that's not really a hassle to get.

                                Just my opinion, though.

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                                1. re: TRogers

                                  Lugers is way over rated. The snotty attitude of ther servers is suppose to be cool, I find it annoying. The steak is good but not the second coming like some make it out to be. I like my steak whole, not sliced on a platter to share. I am selfish when it comes to eating my steak. I don't want everyones forks and paws all over it. I want my own. Hands down Morton or Smith and Wolinskys blow Lugers out of the water. If ever in Aruba I love El Gaucho too. It's Argentainia Beef Different than the beef we have in the states.

                                  1. re: TRogers

                                    Sparks does not have creamed spinach. That is facist and automatically takes them out of the runnig. PL is better anyway :).

                                  2. I really like the strip steak at Strip House (especially when they offer a double strip for two). But have heard through the grapevine that the place may be on the decline. That said, possibly the best steak I have had in NY in the past couple years.

                                    Also a fan of Lugers and less so of Del Friscos.

                                    Wild card entry--the Tomahawk Chop at Lonsesome Dove is an incredible cut of meat. Can't say much for the rest of the place (the food is generally ok but the place kind of has a weird vibe) but the steak is really great. It's a huge rib steak served for two with the full rib bone attached (like 2-feet long). Apparently this leads to the marrow basting the meat as it cooks. Not sure if this is true but the taste is great. They used to only offer the chop as part of a package with lobster tail and scallops (for like $125) but they have smartened up and are now serving it on its own. At around $50--served w/ sides, it is certainly a bargain.

                                    1. I once had the opportunity to dine with Del Frisco in his Dallas location before he sold out and moved on to Three Forks and than retirement..I asked him point balnk is best steakhouse and he told me emphatically PETER LUGERS BROOKLYN. The reason simple...Nobody can reproduce the heat of their ovens and they own the only one in the US...Allows them to age their meat and select more marbled cuts than anyone else...This also allows them to skip alot of the buttery toppings many need for sizzle...regardless I believe Lugers is tops and everyone else is slinging for second..I like WOlfgangs in the city in that regard.

                                      1. Peter Lugers has the best steak. Will you be served it is another problem - go,enjoy(or not) and make up your own mind. Love the sauce for the tomatoes and love to ask the waiter to include some bread in my Doggie bag -as my dog only eats sandwiches(old joke) - worth the trip from Manhattan ONCE in a while. Sparkes is a good alternative.

                                        1. I really did not like Peter Luger on my one visit. I generally prefer a filet to a porterhouse, so the cut of meat just doesn't taste good to me. And I hated the atmosphere - I went a few summers ago and I thought the building was not nearly as nice as even an average Manhattan spot, it was a major trek to get there, and most of the clientele looked like a bunch of tourists in their jeans and t-shirts - very little class.

                                          1. I think Peter Luger is over-rated personally. I've been there three times. It's very good, but people freak over it and I just don't see why. Our last meal there was very disappointing and not worth the trek.

                                            I think Strip House is fantastic. Was there twice last week on business. Over-priced appetizers but excellent, excellent steak and a great atmosphere. This is my favorite steakhouse at the moment.

                                            Keen's is my favorite for a more traditional steakhouse - no fancy-pants menu items, just the good old-fashioned stuff.

                                            I've also enjoyed Uncle Jack's and Del Frisco's but if I had to pick one it'd be Strip House. But you'll need a reservation (opentable.com)

                                            1. Obviously, I need to try Luger for myself (pretty embarrassing that I have yet to go there). . . what about Brazilian Churrascarias (If I spelled that right)? I mean the all you can eat places where they bring the meat around on thick kebobs and carve pieces for you. . . I went to Plataforma II near Times Sq awhile ago and thought it was good but got the impression that there was much better out there.


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                                              1. re: Ackerman

                                                Definitely a bargain and fun: Green Fields on Northern Blvd in Corona. Better for cuts like skirt steak, you're not going to get nice rare ribeye (although they bring ribeye and other steak cuts around). Also go when it's insanely crowded (like weekend nights) so the meat is coming out hot and fresh. The sides and salads at the buffet are often good too, just try to stay away from starches so you can maximize your meat intake. I like to get a big pile of watercress and hearts of palm to put the meat on. They will bring around sausages, pork and rabbit (usually too dry) too.

                                                1. re: kenito799

                                                  I've been to the one in White Plains, pretty good but I'd say Platforma is better. I agree maxmizing meat intake is important so avoid starches and the ruffage at the salad bar.

                                                  1. re: angelo04

                                                    What was the name of the place in White Plains?

                                              2. Haven't had Luger's yet but I feel like its so hyped up. anyways. hands down the strip steak at
                                                THE STRIP HOUSE is a MUST!! soo good. do not get any other cut if you go here because everything else is okay....but the strip steak is really awesome!! they also have really delicious sides like goose fat potatoes and creamed spinach with truffles.

                                                1. Luger is not hype- it is a masterpiece of a restaurant- perfect steaks every time- i was there recently for my birthday with a party of 15- we had every doneness of steak from well done (for the pregnant ladies), medium (for the lightweights), medium rare (for the normals) and rare (for the adventurers) and each was presented PERFECTLY cooked- all at the same time, perfectly coordinated, waiter remember exactly who wanted what, was not brusk in any way, excellent service, apps and sides perfect, fantastic wines, and delicious deserts (my daughter destroyed her ice cream sundae)- and the lugers "hanukah" gelt always makes everyone happy. the only thing to avoid at lugers is the coffee- swill- but everything else is consistantely PERFECT! it's really one of my favorite restaurants in the world. i find it's a pretty zen place- if you just let it be, just order steak and sides, it's great- if you fuss with the waiter or try and get something that they just don't do there (i.e. anything but porterhouse and sides) you will not have a great go of it. it's just "steak for ..., potatoes, creamed spinach, and some bacon to start (oh that bacon- deadly good) and you are done- perfect meal. enjoy fb

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                                                  1. re: frankbooth

                                                    So true! I feel like people are expecting the world when they go to PL. My family has been going there since I was a kid. We all love it and if I'm going for steak that's where I want to be. I've never really felt like I had to jump through hoops to get a res. It's a popular place so you need to plan ahead. The same can be said for Per Se, Babbo and a slew of other restaurants in NYC. If you don't like to plan ahead go someplace else. It's really not that complicated.

                                                    1. re: CornflakeGirl

                                                      Funny you mention Per Se. Their Wyugu is actually better than PL, but godawfully expensive. I am not a fan of Kobe beef in general btw.

                                                  2. Great thread. I am a steak guy. Besides sushi and an occasional Italian restaurant -- "where's the beef" (OK, I am aging myself here a bit). Anyway, I've been going to Peter Luger's since I was a kid. The place, and the aura has been made famous in legend and song. Some will love it and worship it. Others will not. I like it. I like it a lot. To me, without question it deserves it's place near the very top of the list.

                                                    However, in recent years, I have been there and had incredible steak -- just incredible; but I have also been there and had steak that by Luger standards (and others as well) that was just, I hate to say it, "so-so". The dynamic is what it is -- nobody is going there for the service or the romantic ambiance, LOL.

                                                    I like that in recent years we have seen the Wolfgang's, the Mark Joseph's, etc., along with usual suspects and all time greats -- Sparks, the Palm, Smith & Wolinksy, and the Old Homestead, and many more. The Del Frisco's, Angelo & Maxie's, Morton's will of course also have their fans -- I am one.

                                                    The nuances of likes, dislikes and tastebuds will make the "greatest" list a truly great list. Enjoy them all.


                                                    1. My favorite is Capitol Grille.

                                                      1. Never been to New York, therefore never been to PL. However, I do truly believe that a steakhouse differentiates itself from others by EVERYTHING ELSE that they offer. Apps, salads, sides, etc. A cut of beef is a cut of beef. Whether it's prime, kobe, choice, or what have you. I haven't read anything about PL that makes me want to visit it other than the porterhouse is fabulous. Well, that's great and all ... but what if I'm in the mood for a ribeye, or a skirt, or even a strip or filet by itself?

                                                        Again, I'm not all that familiar with PL, but from what I hear it's the "best steak in New York". Well, I can't get behind that because I'm a strip fan and will always order that when I see it on the menu. If I don't see it, then I don't consider where I'm dining to be a steakhouse.

                                                        What I'm saying is that steakhouses are a dime a dozen ( at least in Vegas they are ). What separates the good from the bad are the apps, the salads, and the sides, IMO.

                                                        I don't really know where I was going with this other than the fact that if PL serves *only* a porterhouse steak that is excellent, then I wouldn't even consider it one of the best steakhouses in New York and probably wouldn't visit it if I were there on vacation.

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                                                        1. re: lvmanager

                                                          You are correct. You have no idea what you are talking about. Steakhouses specialize in cuts of meat and you should eat those cuts if you want to have a great meal there. For example, you don't go to Sparks for a filet. BTW. The steak for one is a strip at lugers. PL is the best steakhouse I have been to and I have been to many across the country.

                                                          1. re: tpigeon

                                                            No idea what I'm talking about? Interesting. I'll keep that in mind.

                                                            1. re: tpigeon

                                                              Well, I had a filet at Sparks a few weeks ago. It was the best filet I have had in a long time. Tender and rare, just the way i like it.

                                                          2. The best steak I've had in NYC was the Wagyu rib eye at L'Atelier Joël Robuchon. The little piece of Wagyu steak at Per Se was great, but was only a sample. Perhaps they'd let you order a whole steak off menu, but it would have to be very expensive. I love the steak house feel at Keens and loved their mutton chop the one time I went there. Want to go back and try their steaks. Del Frisco has good meat and is also fun because its so large and busy. I enjoyed the steak house feel at Peter Luger and liked the food. But the fact that their porterhouse comes pre-sliced and sitting in a pool of melted butter suggests that they are trying to compensate for a lack of marbling in their meat. I've tried a few other steak places in NYC, but these are the highlights so far.

                                                            Steaks aren't hard to prepare, so the final result mostly depends on success at the butcher shop. You can make steaks at home as good as any you can buy in restaurants, if you can find really good meat.

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                                                            1. re: bill_in_dunn

                                                              The Per Se steak is the best I had. I too wish I could have gotten 48 ounces of that :). Are you saying Robuchon was as good or better or just bigger? If it is as good or better I am definitely going to try it.

                                                              1. re: tpigeon

                                                                They both had great flavor and were both tender. The Robuchon steak had a bit more visible fat and was more tender. One nice thing about Robuchon is that you can order your steak by the ounce, to get the size you want. You can also choose between US and Japanese Wagyu beef. At Per Se you just get a couple ounces as part of a long tasting menu.

                                                                I'd be interested to hear other opinions on the comparison between these two.

                                                              2. re: bill_in_dunn

                                                                How big was the steak at L'Atelier Joel Robuchon? THey have some of the best food in NY.

                                                              3. I have to say SGRobart hit it on the head. I don't mean to say this in a pejorative way, but everybody should stop asking what THE BEST steakhouse is, and perhaps ask what is the 10 best, or 5 best steakhouses - and certainly New York will have at least that many.

                                                                Peter Luger's is great, but what makes it great, or good, or mediocre, can vary from night to night. Though good places, and PL included, vary less from night to night because they have a fool proof system - I mean who's cooking their steaks, a conveyor belt, and a $10/hr mexican chef (again not meant pejoratively, I mean it more as a compliment) as is the case for 90% of kitchen staff.

                                                                As is true for most delicacies, the value, or the perception of value is less on taste than it is on rarity, or the air of rarity. PL is probably considered the best by many because it is very good, top 5 or top 10, and because of its mystique. That being said, I've been to Morton's and dropped more money and had a mediocre to good steak, I've been to Old Homestead and have had one of the best steaks I've ever had to my chagrin, I've been to Blair Perrone (which is less heard of) and had one of the best hot seafood appetizers and one of the best steaks ever, and I've been to a small, 100+ year old steakhouse in Upland, California called Sycamore Inn where I've had one of the best (if not the very best) steaks I've ever had in my life - though good wine, incredible appetizers and desserts could have added to the "best steak ever" title. Because we are in NYC (see financial industry, machismo-center) the steakhouse business is big, and there are a lot of good places, and great if they were anywhere else in the country. Is PL is the best, personally speaking not THE BEST I've ever had, but close enough that it doesn't matter.

                                                                And one of the best steaks I've ever had, has been the porterhouse or Ribeye that I bought at Ottamanelli's which I cooked up myself on an Aluminum All-Clad pan (not even cast-iron) and then broiled slightly, then I make myself a three-mushroom fig vinegar dressing and voila it's one of the best steaks I've ever had.

                                                                Lets just build a list and leave the rankings for each individual reader.

                                                                -Peter Lugers (down and dirty and great)
                                                                -Morton's (great fancy ambiance if that's what you're looking for, and pretty good but expensive)
                                                                -Old Homestead (Suprisingly great)
                                                                -Blair Perrone (also surprisingly great, and fancy 20' ceilings if you want to feel like you work at a hedge fund)
                                                                -Sycamore Inn (It's in Upland California, but one of the best I've ever been too, who would have thunk it).

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                                                                1. re: deadseasquirrels

                                                                  I agree on the list idea as opposed to crowning one place the King of All Steakhouses. I think your list needs to have Strip House and Keen's on there though.

                                                                  I've had mostly so-so experiences at Old Homestead. We've taken to calling it Old Meathead because of the crowd.

                                                                  I'm curious about nearby Frank's Steakhouse. Never been. It's been around a while, but you can get a table last minute at 8p on Saturday and that frightens me.

                                                                  1. re: deadseasquirrels

                                                                    "Old Homestead?" I bet you haven't been there since 88.

                                                                    1. re: deadseasquirrels

                                                                      I don't agree at all. The temperature of the grill makes a huge difference. Real charcoal can be amazing, but I don't think you can find that in NY. The temperatures get quite high. But there are grills that can get to 1700 degrees, and there used to be one in NY somewhere west of Broadway in tthe 70s, but I can't recaall the place. My best steaks have been outside of NY. Butchering is a big issue.

                                                                    2. I'm a fan of Del Frisco, and Burton & Doyle on LI

                                                                      1. My first and only trip to PL's was a mess... I was not impressed by anything about the meal... the steak was overcooked, I asked for rare, and the waiter got lippy with me when I asked for blue cheese for my steak, he was a complete smart ass and brought back a gravy boat of blue cheese dressing, which I didn't eat, and when he gave me lip about it again I told him that I wasn't entirely sure he didn't spit in it with the attitude he gave me when I asked for it.

                                                                        Haven't been back and don't care to.

                                                                        1. Agree with some that Peter Luger's is not so impressive. I believe though I must have got an off piece of meat. The side dishes were delicious, though that was not what I was there for.

                                                                          I have had a great steak at Keen's which had a great atmosphere as well. I got the Strip which was perfect while the other folks I was with got the Mutten Chop and Porterhouse for 2.

                                                                          Angelo and Maxies is good for the price and being local. They also give you way more then most can eat in each portion. I have yet to go to the Old Homestead though I have heard mixed reviews ... many folks say it is not what it used to be.

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                                                                          1. re: shazanger

                                                                            I had an amazing steak at Bobby Van's downtown, and I am a very picky steak eater. I cannot recommend it highly enough.

                                                                            1. re: chowkitty

                                                                              Nor can I, us, our family, who has lived in NYC, we are West Coasters, in NYC for the last three years, now back to our 'hood. OH, someone mentions Bobby Vans at last!!!! As for the Midtown location, we lived for the last three years on and off in NYC midtown, now back to West LA, and honestly, this place is special for us, and we miss it! The service beyond fabulous description, and the steaks always to perfection, and I am saying perfection! ... and the lobster ordered by me upon occasion, sweet and succulent, the peppered lemon shrimp enjoyed and so much else. Not a scene, but fabulous! Every penny, and many gazillions of them for this family, well spent!

                                                                          2. Been to Lugars, Sparks, Homestead, Smith and W. etc. etc., again and again. Had great and sub-par steaks at each. For overall consistency of performance, I'd suggest Lugars. There are many variables which can affect steak- it's like love-making (well, maybe more important than love making). Seriously though, no steak house can guarantee cookie-cutter consistency.

                                                                            1. Surprised no one has mentioned Pietro's !

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                                                                              1. re: Bigtigger

                                                                                As someone who's experienced just about every steakhouse in NY, I think there are a few things we need to clarify. First off, in my experience this argument will never be settled because there are too many variables that come into play. Such as, what exactly defines “the best steakhouse?” In my experience they break down into two groups and I'll use two examples, Lugar’s and Blair Perrone. Forget the food for a moment, Lugar’s is an “old school” steakhouse, there's absolutely nothing fancy about it. When I say old school, think lot's of wood, with a basic layout. Ben Bensons is pretty much the same, loud and masculine. Blair Perrone, Mortons or Uncle Jacks have more ambience. So you have to ask the question, what kind of steakhouse do you prefer strictly from an aesthetic point of view, then you can move on to the food. There's no right or wrong answer, but these are very different places and unless you’re only debating the cut of meat, I think it’s really unfair to compare. So the question you should be asking is not “what’s New York’s best steakhouse”, but, what's New York's best old school steakhouse and what's New York’s best upscale steakhouse? In other words, how much emphasis do you place on the overall picture? I'm not going to submit my opinion on what's my personal favorite is because it doesn't matter, but I will say this with regard to Lugar’s. It’s far from my # 1 choice! The steaks are fantastic, but throw in everything else and they come up short.


                                                                              2. Since "just the best steak" seems to be your only criteria, I'm going to say Peter Luger's, however the quality has slipped during a few of my visits. Be warned, traveling there sucks, you eat alongside ravenous tourists dressed in jeans and tanktops(!),and as a restaurant the only thing good there is the steak... ok fine, the creamed spinach too. However, on the other hand, more times than not, when I go to a steakhouse I want to relax and eat my beef without worrying about formalities such as "can I pull off this dress shirt in this crowd?" but that's just me.

                                                                                1. Anyone have an opinion aboutKeen's on 36th?

                                                                                  1. Try Morton's 48 oz porterhouse for two. I'd put it up against any steak in America. Del Frisco's and the Capital Grill are chains too, and meat knows no loyalty. Morton's has up'ed their game considerably. The steaks are great. The sides are great. The service is great.
                                                                                    As a card-carrying Lugar's fan I know great steak. The Strip House is also great, but it's one cut of meat. Morton's excels these days. I would have thought otherwise, but I'm a convert.

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                                                                                    1. re: ManhattanX

                                                                                      "As a card carrying Lugar's fan" you should know it's LugEr''s :-}

                                                                                    2. strip house, without a doubt

                                                                                      1. I still love Luger and BLT Prime but I had a truly fantastic meal at Keens last week. Click on the link for my entire review.


                                                                                        1. Please reccommend the best Brazilian or Argentinian steak house in Manhattan. The Chimichurri Grill didn't do that much for me.

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                                                                                          1. re: PAULSCOHEN

                                                                                            For Brazilian in Manhattan, you must go to either Plataforma or Porcao. Those are the two best churrasquerias on the island.

                                                                                          2. This is my favorite go to place, and it happens to have great steaks as well. Its a real favorite in the neighborhood, and has been around for ever. Its got a great old school New York vibe, wood, booths, brass. on the weekends there is live Jazz, but it gets kinda crowded. I think for the buck, the Huge T Bone is the best deal for those Steak House people, comes with 2 sides(included). There are alot of other selections, that my friends think are excellent, but I'm a steak guy.
                                                                                            Oh, the Chocolate souffle for dessert is Incredible!

                                                                                            Knickerbocker Bar and Grill
                                                                                            33 University Pl, New York, NY 10003

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                                                                                            1. re: DEKEN

                                                                                              You didn't specify what this place is you speak of.

                                                                                              1. re: DEKEN

                                                                                                The best deal at the Knickerbocker is the late night steak and eggs for $20.

                                                                                              2. Did anyone try center cut on the upper west side while it was still around? I tried both center cut and Smith & Wolensky's during the same restaurant week and Center Cut annihilated S & W. Everything about Center Cut was great, the steak the sides the homemade cookies they give you to take home...even the biscuits were amazing.

                                                                                                too bad its gone now.

                                                                                                I tried sparks a while back and wasn't that impressed.

                                                                                                1. I cannot imagine better steak than Luger's for consistency of texture, surface to interior juice distribution, and overall taste. With the German potatoes it cannot be beat. What can compete with it?

                                                                                                  1. There is no "right" answer to this question.

                                                                                                    The first thing that I want to know is what cut of beef are we talking about. Some places do one particular cut better than others.

                                                                                                    I would go to Luger's for the Porterhouse and the Palm for a NY Strip. Want a great NY Strip done Au Poivre, go to Raoul's. Like skirt steak? Go to Landmarc. And on and on. There are many good places to get steak in NYC and that is the great thing. So many great cuts and preparations.

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                                                                                                    1. re: sushiman

                                                                                                      This is a most astute comment ---we should try nthem each.

                                                                                                    2. 1. MarcJosephs, #1 by far - its out of the way but not terrible.
                                                                                                      2. Smith and Wo's Grill Room - best cajun bone in rib eye, yes its a large chain and many think its lower tier but it is consistent, great drinks, and no problems here.
                                                                                                      3. Strip House - well known, very good, kitchy decor and they have one in a strip mall in florida oh well.
                                                                                                      4. Porterhouse - newish feel in time warner center, if UWS good option
                                                                                                      5. Dylan Prime - amazing lamb chops and steaks, great appys, cool spot
                                                                                                      6. Del Frisco's - hate to do it, but its good, they season there meat too much though.
                                                                                                      7. Old Homestead - respectable
                                                                                                      8. BLT Steak - interesting sides, weak service
                                                                                                      9. Post House - if you are UES, good civilized spot, excellant service, older crowd
                                                                                                      10. Quality Meats - interesting sides, weak service

                                                                                                      Peter lugers is in the top 10 but they are overrated, their "treated you like garbage" schtick is weak, wine list is garbage and the cuts are small; i.e. you have to order for 4 if you are 3 etc. I am bracing myself for a response from someone who has a "luger's card" to tell me that I dont know how to order, or I probably looked at the menu or some garbage how Marc Josephs is a ripoff etc. either way

                                                                                                      BLT Steak
                                                                                                      221 Main Street, White Plains, NY 10601

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                                                                                                      1. re: radical

                                                                                                        You're definitely more of the steak diner than I, but not having Luger's in the top 10? I'll admit, I'm a huge PL fan and I've never had anything but spot on service. Once the waiters realize you know your stuff they treat you with incredible respect and service. If you act like a tourist, they do the schtick. It seems service plays a big role in your list. Smith & Wollensky's by far has the best service, but I think their steaks are mediocre at best. I've actually had a better cajun ribeye in a non-steakhouse restaurant than I had at S&W. I'll take what's considered poorer service for a better steak every time.

                                                                                                      2. In my not so humble opinion (IMNSHO) Lugers is by far the most consistently good beef steak in NYC.

                                                                                                        BUT Keen's serves the best piece of meat. Their Mutton Chop blew me away.

                                                                                                        Knickerbocker has the best creamed spinach and Old Homestead has the best tower of toast with gloppy cream sauce.

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                                                                                                        1. re: hambone

                                                                                                          Alas, I was just at Keens but failed to order the mutton chop. The fillet I got did not blow me away, and I think the numerous pipes on the ceiling look a little bit to macabre, a little too much like bones.

                                                                                                          1. re: jzungre

                                                                                                            I had a bite of a friend's beef and was whelmed. Not over whelmed. Not underwhelmed. Just whelmed.

                                                                                                            If you are ever there again, get it. I can't count sheep to lull myself to sleep anymore because somewhere between two and three I usually start thinking, "Oh fatten them up and cut me a chop... Man I wish I was at Keene's... I wonder if they are open. What time is it? 2:43 am, dang I have to be up in three hours. Ahh screw it, might as well get up now and make a really good breakfast."

                                                                                                            1. re: hambone

                                                                                                              Hambone, I tried the pork shank at Keene's, and I wasn't that impressed, buddy. I'm sorry, but I just don't think it's in the same league as a place like Wolfgangs.

                                                                                                              I will say that I'm not a huge lamb eater, so that may have something to do with it.

                                                                                                              1. re: jzungre

                                                                                                                As I said, it could be they only really excel at one thing and that is the Mutton Chop.

                                                                                                                But if you do one thing that well...

                                                                                                          1. re: Raisel

                                                                                                            I love Keens. Great food and atmosphere. Also, they are very wine friendly. I've held many wine dinners there. Only $20 corkage!

                                                                                                          2. take it from the bigman the kid from brooklyn ive been eating a peters for over forty years I never ate at a better steak houes anywhere in the whole country from the start you know your in the right place with the fresh bread basket with the best onion rolls and salt sticks served with the fresh butter sticks you ever tasted start with the fire and ice fresh thick sliced hot house tomatoes and onion smothered with the special peter luger sauce then order an order of the peter luger extra thick cut bacon and order of the real thick and juicy lamb chops then lets starting eating steak for two an order of creamed spinach and an order of the best home fried potatoes you ever tasted my friends you just died and went to heaven throw in a couple of cold ones the best beer on tap an enjoy lets end with your favorette desert chocolate moouse cake warm apple sturdell the best pecon pie or fresh cheesecake lets not forget the creamy fresh SLAGG the real deal the best home made wipped cream you ever had a cup of fresh made coffe just sit back an enjoy and say to yourself I JUST HAD THE GREATEST MEAL I EVER HAD IN MY WHOLE LIFE take along with the five star waiter service its the GREATEST STEAK HOUSE ON EARTH

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                                                                                                            1. re: bklynkid

                                                                                                              I got lost, but are you referring to Peter Luger's? You said "peters" and I think you meant Peter Luger's-is that right? I didn't find the steak there to be the best I have ever had enywhere on earth by a long shot. I can think of 7 better steak meals that I have had on earht, let alone all of the many haute cuisine meals and ethnic meals that I have had that I would choose long before "peters". But to each his own.

                                                                                                              1. re: foodlovergeneral

                                                                                                                I ment to say peter Lugers I asked the famious John Gotti a queston once whats the best Italian restaurant he gave me the best vanswer I ever heard he said theres no best eveyone has differant taste buds whats the best to me might be the worst to you theres no best no bullshit-------its all the matter of opinion------

                                                                                                                1. re: foodlovergeneral

                                                                                                                  It is my experience that the only people I've come across, personally, who don't think Luger is the best (notice how I didn't say great or good, I said the best) are people who have decided that it's not the best before they walked in...or who made the horrible mistake of making the place a date location. It's hands down the best steak and there are only a handful of steakhouses in the country that receive the quality of meat they get. They turn back deliveries that don't meat their qualifications and do it daily.

                                                                                                                  I have been four times and only once did I have a complaint. My co-diners finished theirs.

                                                                                                                  1. re: jhopp217

                                                                                                                    I've witnessed such hilarious dates-from-hell at PL at adjacent tables. Guys bringing first and second dates there to impress and close the deal, having no idea it's the least romantic meal you can imagine; skinny women repulsed by their portion and barely pretending to eat the meal that consumed the guy's annual date budget; couples seeing everyone else in the room yucking it up and realizing they have no similar chemistry.

                                                                                                                    1. re: addictedtolunch

                                                                                                                      It is truly a fun sight to see. I saw a couple (both extremely attractive and impeccably dressed) and they got sandwiched between my crew of 8 and another crew of 6. We were not at all disrespectful, but the look on the guys face when he sat down was a look of fear. The way I look at it, is if he got a second date, he was a lucky man

                                                                                                              2. Best? To who? We all understand about chocolate and vanilla. Opinions make the world go around. Do I think Peter Luger is the best in all of NYC? No, not for my everyday tastes, wants, desires, etc. Would I argue with anyone who said they think it is? No. Why? Because I can see it and I understand. I like Luger's very much. I rate it as one of the best in NYC. Without question.

                                                                                                                If I want a Luger-experience, coupled with a porterhouse, then I go there. For that, without question, it's the best. Embellish that with some mutant tomatoes and onions, and some thick-cut bacon . . . oh boy, you are in heaven now. LOL.

                                                                                                                However, if I want a different experience -- I go to others on my "one of the best" list. I don't know anyone who goes to Luger's for a "fine dining" experience, or white-glove type cater to you service. Part of the experience is what it's known for, the ambiance, or lack of, LOL, the service -- or some say lack of, LOL.

                                                                                                                I was always a fan of Mark Joseph's and Wolfgang's. I was also a big fan of Angelo & Maxie's, although I know many people were not. Their porterhouse was not anywhere near as good as Luger -- but that was for my tastes. I was always a fan of some of the other "greats" so to speak, mainly Sparks, the Palm, Smith & Wolinksy, and the Old Homestead. I rated the Old Homestead at the top of the list of those four.

                                                                                                                I would guess that pound-for-pound, no pun intended, Peter Luger would top many people's best list.

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                                                                                                                1. re: ELA

                                                                                                                  Just thought I would point out that a porterhouse steak includes both the filet and the new york (or kansas city) strip on the bone for anyone who is confused about this point. That's what makes it a porterhouse, it's actually two steaks in one.

                                                                                                                  So if you have had the porterhouse at Peter Luger, you did get a filet and a ny strip. This is basic butchering 101.

                                                                                                                  Btw, in my book Peter Luger is good, but vastly overrated.

                                                                                                                  1. re: ELA

                                                                                                                    Funny- I have yet to walk out of Old Homestead thinking that was a top steak.

                                                                                                                    I'm a Luger's guy but on any given night, Wolfgang's might very well serve a better steak.

                                                                                                                    I'll say this again- Best piece of meat I have had in NY was the Mutton Chop at Keen's.

                                                                                                                    1. re: ELA

                                                                                                                      I like your list, but I have to say...and I think I've stated this on this thread earlier. Smith & Wollensky's is the best seafood restaurant in NY posing as a steakhouse. Their raw seafood tower is quite possibly the greatest thing I've eaten other than the Luger Porterhouse. That being said, I didn't dislike my steak, I hated it. I not only hated it, I begged my friend to switch steaks with me and I hated hers. The service....the best I've ever had. The steaks...I've had better in people's backyards.

                                                                                                                      1. re: jhopp217

                                                                                                                        I'm trying to imagine which of my bbq guests you are...

                                                                                                                        1. re: hambone

                                                                                                                          I'm uninvited to all backyard BBQs ever since I wrote a blog about them three years ago. Pretty much made the rounds and everyone thought it was about them...it was a compilation about them, but the overcooked steaks hit home with all of them. So now on Memorial, the 4th and Labor day, I find myself cooking my own perfectly seasoned, perfectly done medium rare steak and dining with my favorite guest...myself, hhaah

                                                                                                                          1. re: jhopp217

                                                                                                                            If you can't grill a steak to the right temp there is a great answer... sausage.