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Outdoor Pizza Oven

MagnumWino Aug 18, 2006 05:37 PM

I'm currently looking into installing a woodburning pizza oven outside on my patio. Any hounds have one? If so I'd just like to get your thoughts, how you like it, what you would have done differently, if anything? Any pitfalls you may have encountered along the way.

Thanks!

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    amoncada RE: MagnumWino Aug 18, 2006 07:29 PM

    After much research on Chowhound Cookware and on various online sites I purchased the BIG GREEN EGG. Check out BIGGREENEGG.COM and read the customer feedback...I've never read such great reviews about a product. It's based on ancient Japanese clay oven technology and on it's predessor; the Kamodo Egg. Some Egg owners have had them since world war II. The Green Egg is made of thick ceramic so it maintains even heat for hours and hours. It's a grill, smoker, pizza oven, pastry oven, wok, etc. etc. It uses readily available natural lump charcoal for fuel.

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      yayadave RE: amoncada Aug 18, 2006 07:55 PM

      Did you get it yet? and use it? Does it do all that stuff? I've been wondering about them. Are you suggesting a Big Green Egg in stead of an outdoor oven?

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        amoncada RE: yayadave Aug 18, 2006 08:10 PM

        Yeah, the Egg is pretty unbelievable. It's as good as they say. I'm a smokin (that is meat smokin) and grillin fool! I'm just as curious as you about the outdoor woodburing ovens. I havn't picked up my baking stone for my Egg yet. The Big Green Egg forum has a lot of positive feedback on baking pizza's. The BIG GREEN EGG ceramic design and the even cooking temperature offers a good alternative to buying a woodburning oven. The Green Egg can do sooo much so, if you're curious about slow smoking/barbcueing, then The Big Green Egg is worth a look. I'm watching this post closely for the Outdoor Brick Oven feedback!

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          bkhuna RE: amoncada Aug 14, 2007 08:21 PM

          And you can get Birkenstocks in colors to match you BGE! I'd rather have the oven.

    2. Scrapironchef RE: MagnumWino Aug 18, 2006 10:29 PM

      There's a lot of good info on the web, I've been looking into building one for myself. My wife says I can go ahead as part of a back yard makeover, I just want the oven.

      Google wood burning oven for a start, there's an organization that even gives DIY classes.

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        Chris Weber RE: MagnumWino Aug 20, 2006 09:09 PM

        I read a piece about a year ago about building your own outdoor pizza oven. I have not done it, but the author said the weekend it was supposed to take took two. Still not bad.

        I'm talking real pizza oven - like 800 degrees. He said it made great pizza. Somewhere around here I have a book with plans in it, and I probably (maybe) have the mag too I read it in. All of which means you could probably find plans for it for free too. They're around.

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          Tobias RE: MagnumWino Aug 21, 2006 12:16 AM

          I built one a few years ago in my small, city backyard. I bought a book of plans from Alan Scott at ovencrafters.net and he was very helpful. Know that if you build it yourself, it is no small endeavor. I worked on the weekends with a friend or two, and it took months and months and months to get it done. Alan may also know some one in your area who can build it for you.

          I use it pretty much every weekend. Firing it takes some planning, and it gets quite hot -- well over 800 degrees if I tend it carefully. The first night I do pizzas or something else that requires high heat. (I've been meaning to use it as a tandoor but haven't yet.) The next night is a roast bird or something that requires lower heat, as the oven remains pretty hot after 24 hours -- perhaps about 300 degrees or so.

          It takes a good deal of hard wood to fire the thing, and it seems like a waste to do it for one meal. I also tend to have people over, sometimes uninvited neighbors who smell the smoke and show up with a cast iron pan and the evening's ingredients. Ovens of this sort were often built by communities for community use, as the construction is complicated, time consuming and expensive. You might see if you have interested neighbors.

          The food that comes out of the oven is fantastic, but cooking with real fire is tricky. There is a serious bit of learning and experimentation, but there are a few good books on the subject. I particularly enjoy roasted vegetables, pizza, roasted fruit, flat breads, ...

          Good luck if you decide to go down this road.

          1. Pincho RE: MagnumWino Aug 25, 2006 03:59 AM

            I have not attempted it but have looked into it and found the following useful links:

            http://www.traditionaloven.com/
            http://www.ovencrafters.net/
            http://mha-net.org/msb/html/bakeoven.htm
            http://groups.yahoo.com/group/brick-o...
            http://web.tampabay.rr.com/brickoven/...

            Good luck!

            1. MagnumWino RE: MagnumWino Aug 26, 2006 11:22 AM

              Thanks for the replies and info everyone! While I'd like to think I could build one myself, I haven't got the patience for such a project, not to mention not knowing where to start. But I located a marble/granite supply company an hour from me in New Haven that sells outdoor ovens made in Italy (DiFiore), that come in three sizes. I'm looking at the middle size. I've got calls in to two masons who I'll be meeting with over the next couple of days to get an idea for the cost of the project, but I'm pretty hyped to get this thing done.
              Here is the link to the place in New Haven where I'll be purchasing the oven: http://www.tuscanyfire.com/

              1. Robert Lauriston RE: MagnumWino Aug 27, 2006 05:01 PM

                I saw one at Spanish Table that looked really nice. I think it was this brand:

                http://www.fornobravo.com/residential...

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                  amoncada RE: MagnumWino Aug 29, 2006 06:46 PM

                  Hmmm. Very intriguing! Thanks for the info from MagnumW and RobertL.

                  1. JoanneFB RE: MagnumWino Sep 3, 2006 05:05 PM

                    We have a woodoven from Mugnaini in Watsonville, CA. Pizza takes alot of experimentation and alot of prep time - especially if you don't use the oven regularly. It takes about 4-5 hours of fire maintaining. Getting the perfect crust is an art. I've known people who have built their own with great results - but it is a time consuming process and requires lots of hands.

                    http://www.mugnaini.com/

                    1. MagnumWino RE: MagnumWino Sep 8, 2006 10:40 AM

                      Well after much thought, I decided to take the plunge and go for the outdoor oven. I will be getting the oven from Tuscany Fire in New Haven CT. Construction will commence the beginning of October. I will report back to let you know how it all works out. Thanks again for all the info you provided.

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                        yayadave RE: MagnumWino Sep 8, 2006 09:33 PM

                        How long is the installation supposed to take, start to finish?

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                          MagnumWino RE: yayadave Sep 8, 2006 10:24 PM

                          yayadave, not exactly sure yet. I hired a mason to do the whole thing, i.e. build the base for it, assemble the oven onto the base, then face it with stonework all around. The mason is coming up in about a week to go over the project one more time, I will get an answer then.

                      2. yayadave RE: MagnumWino Sep 8, 2006 11:57 PM

                        Thank you. It sounds like a great project. I was sorta wondering if you'd get to use it before winter sets in.

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                          MagnumWino RE: yayadave Sep 9, 2006 11:04 AM

                          That much I am sure of. I would think it will be complete by the end of October, early November latest.

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                            yayadave RE: MagnumWino Sep 9, 2006 01:12 PM

                            You are figuring on pizza. Would you be able to do bread? I doubt I'll ever do it, but I've been excited about this project ever since you posted it.

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                              MagnumWino RE: yayadave Sep 9, 2006 01:36 PM

                              Definately bread. Also, I know meats can be cooked in there as well, which I am planning on doing. There will definately be a learning curve involved but that will be part of the fun.

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                          Chad RE: MagnumWino Sep 13, 2006 09:16 PM

                          I am in the process. It is a long process, but a kick in the pants. http://myweb.facstaff.wwu.edu/chad/Fr... http://myweb.facstaff.wwu.edu/chad/Do...
                          http://myweb.facstaff.wwu.edu/chad/wa...
                          There are a few photos of it as it sits now, but I am making progress on it weekly. It is truly a labor of love and art.
                          Chad
                          PS You can do it quicker and easier, but why?

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                            yayadave RE: Chad Sep 14, 2006 01:26 AM

                            Did you put some morter under that coffee mug?

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                              Chad RE: yayadave Sep 14, 2006 05:58 PM

                              No I didn't, but that is an idea, once I get the counters in place...

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                                yayadave RE: Chad Sep 14, 2006 06:00 PM

                                I hate to use this kind of word, but that thing is marvelous!
                                Come to think of it, maybe the right word is "awesome."

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                                  Chad RE: yayadave Sep 14, 2006 06:15 PM

                                  Thanks yayadave, it is certainly a labor of love. I am having such a fun time of it. I am even making art for the wall with leftover mortar. This is Soul Man. http://myweb.facstaff.wwu.edu/chad/So... He is the product of a couple gallons of leftover mortar. If you want to follow the whole process you can go to http://www.fornobravo.com/forum/index...? Click on Brick Oven Photos and then Bellingham Bread oven. Thats me!

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                            Sid RE: MagnumWino Sep 14, 2006 03:36 PM

                            Hey there.

                            If you're interested in a cool outdoor pizza oven, check out the following posting I saw recently:

                            http://www.kitchencontraptions.com/ar....

                            I am interested in a pizza oven for our backyard, being it is a staple in our house.

                            1. Paladar RE: MagnumWino Jan 14, 2007 10:39 PM

                              We actually have an Earthstone gas/wood oven in our backyard. I HIGHLY recommend the gas feature. You'll use it 10x more than wood alone. We're in San Diego so year-round really is almost year-round.

                              Here's our initial blog on pizzamaking.com (great site with lots of resources):

                              http://www.pizzamaking.com/forum/inde...

                              Also, if you haven't purchased your oven yet, we went through this site and saved about $1K. You have to register to use it though (Earthstone has been great with support regardless of where we purchased):

                              http://www.pizzaovens.com

                              Please let me know if we can be of any more assistance.

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                                MagnumWino RE: Paladar May 25, 2007 02:12 PM

                                Well, to follow up, I finally did get around to installing a pizza oven. Purchased the oven from Tuscanyfire.com and hired a mason to install it and the surrounding masonry. I've been very happy with it and the pizzas come out great! I'm extremely glad I did this. Thanks to everyone who responded with info and opinions, I truly appreciate it.

                                 
                                 
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                                Jimmy Buffet RE: MagnumWino May 25, 2007 05:46 PM

                                www.kamado.com

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                                  itryalot RE: MagnumWino Aug 11, 2007 02:26 PM

                                  We are still in the planning stages since my hubby has a construction schedule for everything we want to do. While I was reading and viewing (Chad- you are a true artiste!) and clicking on links, I began wondering; am I to assume that all of the ovens displayed, made or for sale are wood burning or should I be specifically looking for wood burning? We want that distinctive smell, crunch and smoky flavour.
                                  P.S. Have you seen Jamie Oliver's new series, At Home with Jamie: the meat he roasts in his looks fabulous! (drooling)

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                                    itryalot RE: MagnumWino May 19, 2008 08:34 AM

                                    I am resurrecting this post - now we're serious about wanting one. Anyone have experience with one in the last year?

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                                      Paladar RE: itryalot May 23, 2008 04:49 PM

                                      I did post last year --- we're now at 2-1/2 years with our Earthstone. Again, ours is a gas/wood combo which offers a huge amount of flexibility. With the gas you only need a few hours notice, with wood you really need a day, day & a half. Earthstone does make great wood-fired only ovens as well as a kit if you want to semi-build-your own. We actually visited Maurice and Jean Paul at their LA location and were very impressed with the quality and detail we saw.

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                                        sparky1321 RE: itryalot Jun 14, 2008 07:30 AM

                                        I just built one last summer, now I can't get rid of my nieghbours. I did go wood burning, a little more work to start cooking. You need only 2-3 hrs heat up time, but worth it!! I just got a web page going, it might give you some ideas.

                                        http://www.buccispizzaoven.mydiyweb.com

                                         
                                         
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                                          MagnumWino RE: sparky1321 Jun 15, 2008 06:02 PM

                                          It's been 1-1/2 years since I've had my woodburning oven. It's the best thing I ever did, couldn't be happier. I've pretty much got a good comfort level as far as the pizza-making goes. I've recently expanded with lower temperature cooking having made lasagna, bread and roasted chicken in the oven. It's not rocket science by any means, just requires a little more finesse and attention, but the payoff is well worth it. You really appreciate the food that you cook so much more when it comes out of that oven. There's a big difference in turning a knob vs. building and maintaining a fire and cooking your food with it, both in satisfaction and superior taste.

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                                            itryalot RE: MagnumWino Jun 30, 2008 10:29 AM

                                            Someone somewhere told me that you are supposed to put all the firewood/heat source on one particular side (left I think) because of the rotation of the Earth. Heard that? I am off to check out sparky's website - looks good!

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                                              Nadse5 RE: MagnumWino Aug 11, 2012 10:40 AM

                                              Im in the process of purchasing an Portuguese Wood Burning Oven, and I was just wondering whether its better to buy an oven already made or to build one. I live in New York and I plan on having the oven outside in the open throughout the year and Im not sure whether the oven will withstand the cold weather.

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                                                itryalot RE: Nadse5 Aug 11, 2012 05:44 PM

                                                If I can remember where, go to Serious EAts under their pizza tab. They have several pics and stories of people who have made their own. In fact, therle are many from your area. I am in the midwest and we are planning to make our own because of cost and because we want it to look a certain way. Apparently the can withstand. That's part of the allure for us....would love that smell in winter!

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