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Cask Strength Bourbon and Scotch

Chinon00 Aug 17, 2006 10:48 PM

I've noticed that cask strength whisky is getting sort of popular these days. I can't say that I love either of them although I'm a huge fan of both products in their tamer forms. I really appreciate the pungent flavor up front of a cask strength although I find the finish, due to the heat, border-line painful. Moreover, I've been told that adding water to cask strength is to essentially defeat the purpose. So I'm looking for opinions.

Thanks

  1. ted Aug 18, 2006 05:37 PM

    To me the main attraction of cask strength is the lack of chill filtration. It definitely affects the flavor and mouthfeel, in my opinion. And the thing that goes hand-in-hand is that cask strength scotch offerings include the independent bottlers. Some of the Cadenhead whiskies I've had were stunning. And Booker's is one of my favorite bourbons.

    As for diluting, I think the idea is to nose and taste a little neat at first, then dilute. You'd pretty much burn out your palate rapidly otherwise.

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      erikka Aug 22, 2006 06:41 PM

      I like them...after a few ice cubes get thrown in.

      Bookers is lovely, and not so easy to find in the northeast.

    2. sku Aug 18, 2006 10:43 PM

      On the contrary, I don't think the purpose of cask strength is to taste the highest possible alcohol content...if that were the case you could just drink grain alcohol. The purpose, rather, is to taste some of the raw material that the distiller has and then play the role of the distillary master yourself, adding the amount of water you think necessary to create the best drinking dram.

      There are some cask strenth whiskies, George T. Stagg bourbon for instance, that I wouldn't add anything too. There are others, such as Laphroig 10 yr c/s, which really open up with a few drops of water (I wouldn't add more than a half teaspoon per shot, but different people have different tastes).

      Another option, if the finish is your main concern, is a water chaser.

      Remember also that most cask strengths are 10 to 15% more alcohol than regular bottlings, so the addition of a few drops of water will still leave you with a powerful drink.

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      1. re: sku
        JMF Aug 19, 2006 12:11 AM

        I love the cask/barrel strength liquors for a variety of reasons which sku and ted already said. I also feel the key to any good spirit is adding just the right amount of water for it to open up and release the full flavors. For each spirit and individual the amount is different, but adding some water is necessary to enjoy the full taste. When the spirit is over around apx. 70 proof the high alcohol numbs your taste and smell so that you can't enjoy the full flavors and especially the nuances, these become available as you slightly water down the spirit.

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        Captain Aug 21, 2006 10:28 PM

        Some cask strengths almost require a little water. Scott's Selection has (or had) a Glenlivet that is bottled at about 168 proof, or at least close to 160. Drinking ti without diluting it or chasing it with water is inviting trouble. While drinking the same brand's Linlithgow neat is manageable, as it is about 120 proof.

        Cask strength's are rawer, simpler, as they come from the barrel. If you dilute it, it is you deciding how much to dilute it, not being handed something and having to accept it as someone else thinks it should be.

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          industry worker Aug 24, 2006 01:49 PM

          Cask strength whiskies are the new marketing fad (succeeding 'finishes'). Cask strength whiskies are made to have water added. The idea being that the distiller adds water to lower the ABV to 40-43%, why not allow the consumer to add what he thinks is the appropriate amount of water. The alcohol content is so high that if you don't add water, you taste booze and not the whisky.

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            TNbourbon Feb 2, 2007 06:25 PM

            The biggest advantage to bottling at cask strength, or barrel proof, is that chill-filtering is rendered unnecessary. As noted above, non-chill-filtered whiskey has an oilier mouthfeel and more flavor, because it is congeners and esters -- flavor elements -- that get filtered out in chill-filtering. Filtering became popular in order to allow low-proof bottlings (under 100 proof) to be chilled without developing an off-putting haze. Although the haze is nothing but the aforesaid congeners and esters, they are unsightly, and many folks don't like it. Thus, virtually everything today under 100 proof is chill-filtered.
            By all means, add some water -- which also serves to stretch your bottle and make it last longer.

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              jkt Feb 2, 2007 08:33 PM

              What I like with cask strength is the intensity of flavor. The aberlour abunadh scotch and booker bourbon are great. Cask strength is also good with cognac (daniel bouju's) and armagnac (many vintages).

              1. SanseiDesigns Feb 2, 2007 08:39 PM

                Cask strength whiskies have been around for ages. The key is that is the strength of the spirits as they age in the cask. What is traditionally marketed is the whiskey that is brought to the more traditional and legal alcohol levels. Remember that much of sale of alcohol is tax-based, particularly here in the US. 16% is the magic number for wine (hence, a lot of those 15.9 wines are typically "hot" and have a level that is normally hitting above the threshold). The Scotch Whiskey Society has been marketing cask strength for an age or two. To enjoy them, they need to be blended with water - and it is important that is it not just tap water, particularly the chlorinated type. It brings the alcohol level 'down' and presents a smooth and lovely beverage. The quantity of water added is a personal choice.

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                  opinionated.alchemist May 4, 2013 08:13 AM

                  Cask strength whisk(e)ys are great - however you need to understand them and to use them correctly.

                  Like the other commenters I make big differences in Scotch and American Whiskey. Scotches are showing just more their true nature - and most of the time CS malts are very special whiskies. However you need to add water - and more than the drop of water, you usually add to malts.

                  American Whiskies [Bourbons and Ryes] are great at higher strengths. If maybe not cask strength but higher strengths like 50% abv they are great on the rocks. Ice is diluting whiskey anyway and I usually feel, that a 40% or 43% whiskey is a let down. To have a stronger product from the beginning, will result in a much more concentrated [and I don't talk about strength - I talk about flavor] character.
                  I love cask strength bourbons like Booker's especially in Mixology. Making for example a homemade whiskey liqueur, an infusion or just using it in a drink, which has slightly more alcohol-free fillers would result in a drink, which still has the character of bourbon. Great!

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                    scubadoo97 May 4, 2013 08:35 AM

                    My experience has been that alcohol carries flavor. I like barrel proofs because I can experience the whiskey at more than one proof and find the sweet spot for me

                    Some whiskeys drink really well at 140 and you would never suspect the proof being so high while others drink hot at much lower proofs.

                  2. Chinon00 May 4, 2013 01:11 PM

                    Damn this post is a year older than my daughter.

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