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new restaurant - Redwood Tavern in quincy

bitsubeats Aug 8, 2006 09:07 PM

I've been doing searches both on google & chowhound for reviews on this new place and unfortunately I haven't found anything.

Just wondering if anyone has seen a menu, eaten there, or heard anything about it.

One more thing, it used to be a Red Sauce

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    mwk RE: bitsubeats Aug 8, 2006 10:27 PM

    Hi,

    We tried this place last week. I was not terribly impressed. It's nice enough inside (they didn't make many changes from the Red Sauce decor), but it has a very limited menu. Also, I thought the price/value ratio was not there.

    We had the Chicken Quesadilla appetizer, which was tasty. I had the shrimp and steak tips combo dish. It came with three shrimp and 3 steak tips, some mashed potatoes, and some sauteed zucchini, for $18.00.

    I'm not saying that I have to be a pig when I go out to eat, but if they are going to do us all a "favor" and practice portion control, it should come at a lower price.

    Although I live nearby, I doubt I'll go back. If I want a quick cheap dinner out, I'll head to Grumpy White's, and if I'm in the mood for steak tips in particular, I'd go to Cronin's first. Or, even the 99 would be better, I think.

    The card they gave us had the Naked restaurants web site listed on it, so maybe it's a new concept. However, I didn't see it listed on their web site.

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      pasta RE: bitsubeats Aug 9, 2006 01:52 PM

      What is the menu like?
      I live in teh area as well and have never heard of Cronins or Grump Whites!...whats the scoop?

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        mwk RE: bitsubeats Aug 10, 2006 02:07 PM

        Hi,

        Grumpy White's is a local place on Sea St. in Quincy, next door to Fox and Hounds. The food is quite tasty, the portions are huge and the prices are cheap. It's nothing fancy, but when I just want to go out for a quick cheap dinner, it's perfect:

        http://grumpywhites.com/

        Cronin's Publick House is an Irish dive bar that happens to serve great steak tips. It's in the Quincy Point neighborhood:

        http://croninspublickhouse.com/menu.html

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          hiddenboston RE: mwk Nov 9, 2006 08:11 PM

          Grumpy White's and Cronin's are excellent alternatives. The steak tips, bar pizza, and burgers are excellent at Cronin's (actually, the tips are nearly as good as the New Bridge Cafe in Chelsea). I've only been to Grumpy White's once, but thought it was definitely above average for a casual family restaurant.

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          jjbourgeois RE: bitsubeats Nov 9, 2006 07:43 PM

          Food is pretty mediocre. Service lame. Won't be back. From the looks of things they'll be out of business by the end of the year.

          1. bitsubeats RE: bitsubeats Nov 9, 2006 09:26 PM

            This place is literally right down the street from me, but I am too chicken to try it out. It looks like another crappy run of the mill chain place. When I start hearing good reviews I'll check it out, but for now I'll venture into the city for a good meal.

            1. xo_kizzy_xo RE: bitsubeats Nov 15, 2006 03:26 PM

              We live down the road from Redwood, too, and decided to try it about a month ago.

              Eh...it was okay. The food was good, but I wasn't blown away by it.

              I thought the prices were a bit high compared to how much was served. Somebody mentioned similar toward the top of this thread.

              What's baffled me most about the place is how little advertising they do. We only knew about it from living in the general neighborhod. When my husband asked our waitress about it, she told us that they're depending more on "word of mouth" than anything else. Makes me think that there's no budget.

              So far it's holding on. I thought it would've closed by now.

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                bitsubeats RE: xo_kizzy_xo Nov 15, 2006 06:52 PM

                I have a feeling its not going to last very long. I hope they get rid of it and put a Boca Grande in it.

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                  mwk RE: bitsubeats Nov 15, 2006 07:09 PM

                  If it has to be a chain place, I'd vote for Bertuccis. Then at least I could get some of their pizza for takeout.

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                Pegmeister RE: bitsubeats Nov 15, 2006 07:08 PM

                Jamies Pub had negotiated for the space when Red Sauce first closed. I was kind of disappointed that they didn't come to an agreement. Naked Fish, Red Sauce and Redwood Tavern are all run by the same people. It's just not working for them at this location. Do you remember when it was the Hollow?

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                  xo_kizzy_xo RE: Pegmeister Nov 15, 2006 09:52 PM

                  Oh good lord, the Hollow! We went there for dinner almost every Sunday when I was a kid. I'm trying to remember when it closed...*thinking*

                  Here's an interesting tidbit: One of the reasons why the Hollow closed was/is because of a defect in the plumbing system that proved too expensive to fix because it would've resulted in ripping up the foundation. Naked Fish had the same problem, then Red Sauce, and I'm also presuming Redwood. That might've been the reason why the Jamie's deal fell through.

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                    Pegmeister RE: xo_kizzy_xo Nov 16, 2006 04:38 PM

                    I'm thinking that it's been about 20 to 25 years. I vaguely remember going to a wedding there when they first added the function room. It's a decent location but they can't seem to find the right concept. Naked Fish was interesting, but the wood grill made the room so smokey I couldn't breathe. Red Sauce was borderine acceptable when they first opened. They made a good pizza and the bar was a pleasant after work sort of place, but when the same managment opened Redwood Tavern, I didn't even bother to try it. I would love to see a good restaurant there as there are not too many options in the immediate area. Villa Rosa is the pits and the Common Market group is not always consistent.

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                      xo_kizzy_xo RE: Pegmeister Nov 17, 2006 12:19 AM

                      I think the location is partly to blame. There's not a lot around there that would attract people other than the restaurant itself. Having a restaurant as a sole destination may be fine for some, but the "average" Joe or Joanne, I think, would want to combine it with shopping (window or otherwise) or taking an after-dinner stroll. Having an adjacent Walgreen's doesn't count.

                      Anyway...I never ate there when it was the Naked Fish. Red Sauce was decent (loved the pumpkin ravioli), but nobody else in my family liked it.

                      Common Market? Eh. I like their takeout place better than the restaurant. Villa? It's been our hangout for ages. The food's nothing to write home about, but we're there more for the company than anything else.

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                        Pegmeister RE: xo_kizzy_xo Nov 17, 2006 11:20 AM

                        Good point about the location. I guess because I grew up in the area (down the street from the Villa) I always wanted a good neighborhood type of place. I also think that restaurants that tend to open at lunch time rather than at 5:00 fair better in this type of location.

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                  mwk RE: bitsubeats Nov 16, 2006 04:09 PM

                  I just thought it would be interesting for those here to read Bella English's review of this place in the Globe, and see why she LOVED it.

                  Sometimes I wonder if these reviewers have eaten in the same restaurant?

                  http://www.boston.com/dining/globe_re...

                  1. CocoDan RE: bitsubeats Nov 17, 2006 02:58 PM

                    Good Morning All,

                    I know a lot of you regular "Chowbrows" have a problem with some of my recommendations, but I've lived in Quincy all my life (with the exception of 2 yrs. in Manhattan), and there hasen't been a good eating establishment in this city since Morey Pearl's and the Roman Gardens closed. Red Sauce almost made it, and Naked Fish was decent, but Quincy diners didn't understand that fresh seafood is expensive. Sure there's lots of ok Asian food, but a 7 minute ride to Boston gets you food that will knock your socks off.

                    Bella English is clueless regarding Red Wood Tavern, it's horrible.

                    Oh, and by the way Pegmeister, Jamie's Pub may be worse than Red Wood.

                    I'll let you all know when a good restaurant opens in Quincy. But don't hold your breath. This city finds ways of driving them out or not letting them in.

                    Sorry For The Rant,
                    CocoDan

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                      mwk RE: CocoDan Nov 17, 2006 04:59 PM

                      Although I will agree with you about the Redwood, if you look at the other Quincy thread, you will see a long list of very good restaurants in Quincy.

                      Personally, I don't think any of the hot pot places in Chinatown are better than Little Q, and I think Classic India is one of the best Indian restaurants in the area.

                      I also think that Trattoria Alba is definitely on a par with the best of the North End restaurants I've eaten in. I've certainly had my share of overpriced and underwhelming meals in the North End.

                      There's plenty of good chow, so I respectfully disagree wholeheartedly with your bleak assessment :)

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                        Pegmeister RE: CocoDan Nov 17, 2006 05:24 PM

                        You know, when I was very, very young, I would go to Morey Pearl's and Roman Gardens. They never should have demolished Morey Pearl's, but Roman Gardens had it's up and downs. My problem with Naked Fish was not with the food, I actually loved their lobster dish, but the wood grill smoked so much it made my eyes sting!! But all in all you're right, Quincy is limited in the number of dining destinations. When the Atlantic (think that's the name) opened up down by Fore River Bridge I heard good things, but never got around to trying it -- have you?
                        Oh, and what about the Tavern at Granite Links? The menu looks good there and I've seen positive reviews.

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                          CocoDan RE: Pegmeister Nov 20, 2006 02:41 PM

                          Good Morning Pegmeister,
                          Just for the record, I've gone with your recommendations many times and have always felt they were worthwhile. I will admit that Quincy is getting better, but I still don't feel comfortable recommending anything too highly, as I've been disappointed more that I've been wowed. I'll still try the new openings and will note them on this forum. I really want good dining in Quincy.
                          Enjoy,
                          CocoDan

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                            Pegmeister RE: CocoDan Nov 20, 2006 04:52 PM

                            Hi CocoDan, If you like a nice italian cold cut sandwich, I know a place in Quincy that may just WOW you! I went to the Fruit Basket just outside of Quincy Center today and got a sliced to order italian cold cut sandwich that was incredible and only $3.99. One of my coworkers was walking by my office and backtracked because she thought it looked so good. Of course, this is just take out but I was very happy! Prices range from $3.99 to $5.99. You pick out the roll, bring it to the deli and tell them what you want. I don't know how they make any money on it!

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                              CocoDan RE: Pegmeister Nov 20, 2006 05:26 PM

                              I'll check it out. Thanks.

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                                mwk RE: Pegmeister Nov 20, 2006 06:21 PM

                                The Fruit Basket has an excellent deli and salad bar. Another place you might enjoy is Cucina Mia, on Washington St., near the Library, near Quincy Center. They have fantastic Paninis, Italian sandwiches, and they make a Mufuletta (sp?), which is really tasty and a 1/2 sandwich is huge and only $6.00.

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                            slade RE: CocoDan Nov 17, 2006 06:21 PM

                            I too must respectfully disagree with your bleak assessment. I would have agreed to it back in 1997 when I first moved to Quincy. As the years moved on more and more great places are cropping and are doing great business thus, sticking around. Today, I'm happy to say that my trips into Boston/Cambridge/Somerville for great chow are virtually over. For starters, we've got...

                            Indian
                            Classic India : One of the best Indian I've had in Mass.
                            Punjab : Not as good as Classic but, it is up there

                            Japanese
                            Kagawa : Excellent sushi and interesting apps
                            Fuji1548 : Kinda upscale japanese in a new age envirnment.

                            Brasilian BBQ
                            Terra Brasilis : Never been but, I know some to have and said it was good

                            Thai
                            Little Duck : Primarily a take out place but, it is good. They have that hot and lime chilled rare beef salad that I love and don't find in many Thai places

                            Chinese
                            Kong Kong : Put and end of me going to chinatown for the most part
                            Little Q : The best hot pot I've ever had. Real fresh ingredients.
                            * Great chinese restaurants are popping up due the large and growing chinese population. I'm sure it won't be long before there will be a dim sum place.

                            Vietnamese
                            Pho Yuen Dong : Always packed w/ asians. No more trips to Dorchester. This is the best! The Pho to die for.

                            Italian
                            Gennaros : Good ol Italian comfort food
                            Trattoria Alba : Nice bistro atmosphere and good food that won't break the wallet.

                            For some shopping
                            Kam Man : An asian supermarket like super88. In that they have a bakery (yummy pork buns) and a prepared food section for take out (roast duck to conchee). In that same building ,which used to be a Bradlies, contains several asian shops and a banh mi sandwich shop.

                            Super88 : A small one, however, as it in what used to be a CVS.

                            Check out these links and get out more (in quincy, that is):-)

                            http://www.chowhound.com/topics/342923
                            http://www.boston.com/dining/globe_re...

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                              Mrs_S RE: CocoDan Jan 5, 2007 08:00 PM

                              I love this rant! I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw Morey Pearl's. Brings me way back -- my dad actually worked there when I was very small - a favorite dining out location from childhood. Does anyone remember another long-gone favorite, Armand's? It was a tiny shack on the side of the road on 3A, sort of near the Hingham shipyards, and specialized in fried seafood.

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                                BostonALAZ RE: CocoDan Sep 2, 2012 04:20 AM

                                I know Jamie personally, sold him two subs and two ice creams everyday from my store near his house down the road from his store~he's a big man!. Nice Guy though, heard bad things about his place too. So I went there myself and the food was great, he was no where around so no one knew who I was.

                                Sorry to hear his deal fell through with the old Hollow, used to sell my fish there. Grew up with the Boys the cut the Chicago on weekends (Pete and Ray). We ate there many times and the food was great. It closed only weeks/month's before the Naked Fish opened. The sewage problems is something leaks into the Furnace Brook which is one of the few remaining SHAD runs and vital to the local ECO SYSTEM. The Naked Fish owners must have fixed that .

                                Sad about the Villa too, but of course Mama was gone a long time ago and it was never the same after that. for a little of that old Italian RETRO Quincy feel visit Alfredo's it was very close to the Villa.

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                                Fud_Hor RE: bitsubeats Nov 18, 2006 06:51 PM

                                I ate at Redwood shortly after they opened and was not disapointed.... but I was definitely not impressed either. A small hunk of pot roast with mashed potatoes and a couple of PBR's hit the spot when I was famished. Nothing special, but the food was cooked and seasoned right and, (if I remember correctly), in the $10-$12 range. However, I haven't been back since. Mostly because the service was apathetic and the entire place felt uninspired to me. Kind of like a chain pub meets food court feeling. The place had the stink of death on it even back then.

                                Having been in the area frequently in the last week I tried to go back twice out of curiosity- once just before 9:00 and once just after 9:00. Both times- as I walked up to the entrance and read the sign that said they're open 'till 10:00- I tugged on locked doors.
                                You may just get your wish Pegmeister- I believe the place is for sale again.

                                I have to agree with slade and mwk that the dining choices are getting better in Quincy. But they all seem to be of the "pub", "pizza", "ethnic" variety. I'd like to see a value priced, fun, "New American" type place that's not loaded with fried food and a more is better attitude. Maybe it's just wishful thinking or maybe I'm the only one and the community won't support such a concept. I can dream can't I?

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                                  xo_kizzy_xo RE: Fud_Hor Nov 18, 2006 07:51 PM

                                  <i>But they all seem to be of the "pub", "pizza", "ethnic" variety. I'd like to see a value priced, fun, "New American" type place that's not loaded with fried food and a more is better attitude. Maybe it's just wishful thinking or maybe I'm the only one and the community won't support such a concept. I can dream can't I?</i>

                                  I agree! Something along the line of Finian's or Jamie's BUT with a "New American" inspired menus that doesn't cost an arm and a leg. Something that doesn't depend heavily on the typical deep fried bar fare. Something that's new!

                                  Besides, I'm sick of the aforementioned. I don't want to drive in town all the time searching for something as such.

                                  So yeah, you're not the only one wishing *grin*

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                                    mwk RE: Fud_Hor Nov 18, 2006 07:52 PM

                                    Have you tried Alba Bar and Grill, in Quincy Center (not to be confused with Trattoria Alba across the street)? It's very good, reasonably priced, and has that "New American" vibe you want.

                                  2. xo_kizzy_xo RE: bitsubeats Dec 7, 2006 04:46 AM

                                    Thought I should add an update:

                                    Redwood closed last weekend. Their last service was Saturday.

                                    DH and I know a waitress who worked there. She told us the staff wasn't informed of the closing until midway through the week.

                                    Don't know when the building will be up for sale again.

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                                      mwk RE: bitsubeats Dec 7, 2006 01:23 PM

                                      Well, I won't be lamenting the loss of that place, nearly as much as I'll miss Classic India.

                                      I wonder why it's so difficult to open and run a restaurant that provides food that people want to eat, at a reasonable price? That place just left me completely cold...and obviously many others as well.

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                                        SeaSide Tomato RE: mwk Dec 7, 2006 01:56 PM

                                        UGH-you're right-very cold.

                                        And poor Classic India was steaiming by comparison.

                                        The movie theater(also sad, but not Chowish)just officially closed, so what restaurant could possibly exist in the back of that forsaken little mall. At least Little Q is up front and personal on Hancoock St. You'd have to know Classic India was in the back to ever find it. Boo Hoo.

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                                          hiddenboston RE: SeaSide Tomato Dec 7, 2006 04:57 PM

                                          I can't tell you how much I miss Classic India. Lots of great memories there. I usually don't go to a place more than a few times these days (so much food, so little time), but Classic India was perhaps the place I went to the most (aside from O'Sullivan's).

                                          I wonder what will become of that building? It'd be nice if they could do something like what was done with the Porter Exchange Building in Cambridge, with a number of Asian dining spots. I wonder if that would work there?

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                                            mwk RE: hiddenboston Dec 7, 2006 09:25 PM

                                            There are already 4 new spots open in the food court outside of Little Q, including a Sushi place, a Dim sum place, and one called Taiwan (something)...but the pictures of the food on the wall posters looks delicious. I haven't had a chance to try any of the places yet, though.

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                                        Pegmeister RE: bitsubeats Dec 7, 2006 05:40 PM

                                        The lunch bunch in work are quite dissapointed about Classic India. The staff here travel quite a bit so when everyone was in, this was always a favorite place. I wouldn't be surprised if the building did end up like the Porter Square Exchange, as Quincy has been focusing on making the downtown a dining destination. There has been talk of more food stalls by Little Q.
                                        As for Redwood, I don't believe it's any great loss, and the owners didn't make much of an effort to inform people that it even existed. Maybe we'll finally get something good at that location. Of course, I'm selfish because it's halfway between work and home for me.

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                                          jjbourgeois RE: bitsubeats Dec 8, 2006 12:30 PM

                                          Thank God this place is closed!!! The food was horrible! Did the owners even have a clue on how to run a restaurant?!?!?

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                                            jjbourgeois RE: bitsubeats Dec 12, 2006 06:09 PM

                                            But I was correct on my prediction that they would close by the end of the year.

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                                              RaRaLew RE: bitsubeats Feb 7, 2007 05:18 PM

                                              I tried Redwood Tavern once and ordered the corned beef and cabbage dinner. It was just OK. I decided not to go back. Their phone message says, "We are temporarily closed. Look for a new concept."

                                              What I can recommend for a relatively inexpensive Italian meal is Tullio's on Hancock Street in Quincy (across from the closed "Ritz Motel"). Their 3-cheese lasagna is great.

                                              For more formal occasions, hence a bit pricier, is the original Alba Bar & Grill on Hancock. I've eaten there several times and have never been disappointed. I've brought friends there who love it too. Everybody says the same thing though, "We didn't even know it was here." My only caveat is the menu is not extensive. It wouldn't hurt if they beefed it up a bit (no pun intended).

                                              1. bitsubeats RE: bitsubeats Feb 8, 2007 03:06 AM

                                                Its been closed for quite some time now. They need to turn it into a boca grande or a korean grocery store (so I don't need to drive all the way to somerville)

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                                                  Pegmeister RE: bitsubeats Feb 8, 2007 03:32 AM

                                                  The most recent rumor is that Croma is looking at it. Has anyone else heard this? I hope it doesn't turn into a "new concept" with the same owners as they have already had 3 failed restaurants.

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                                                    SeaSide Tomato RE: Pegmeister Feb 8, 2007 07:23 AM

                                                    Hi--

                                                    I had heard that myself, but it was a very long time ago--between teh old Red Sauce and the less old Redwood. I was so disappointed when I learned it was not to be another Croma.

                                                    The couple of times I've been to Croma I've really enjoyed it. Especially the Duck Pizza. I hope it's more than a rumor!!

                                                    Thanks!

                                                    SST

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                                                    mwk RE: bitsubeats Feb 8, 2007 07:12 AM

                                                    Actually, I'm hoping that Little Q decides to move into that space, since that silly Quincy Center Concourse project is going to be shutting them down soon.

                                                    Or, that Trattoria Alba decides to relocate there, as they are also being kicked out.

                                                    I do agree with you that the Naked Restaurants group needs to sell the building to another restaurant group with a better track record. It's not that Quincy can't support a good restaurant; I really liked Red Sauce, but I believe it closed down for reasons other than that it wasn't successful there.

                                                    If it needs to have a chain place in there, I'd love a branch of Minado to open up there. Then I wouldn't have to go to Natick for my fix.

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                                                      Pegmeister RE: bitsubeats Feb 8, 2007 08:01 AM

                                                      Living in Quincy I thought that the proposed road had been tabled but obviously not!! It's a shame because the center was starting to have some pretty decent restaurants. I wouldn't mind seeting Little Q go in there or for that matter Classic India. That's one restaurant I really miss and I just don't care for Punjub as well, plus the parking situation is horrid. Minado would be great but I don't think it's a large enough space?

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                                                        arliss RE: bitsubeats Feb 8, 2007 11:09 AM

                                                        The space will be Firefly's BBQ. Opens in April with Blues Club too

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                                                          Pegmeister RE: bitsubeats Feb 9, 2007 03:25 AM

                                                          Made my day!!!!! I love Firefly's! I'm surprised about the Blues Club though. I can't imagine the neighborhood going along with it. When Naked Fish went in; there were all sorts of challanges because of "Naked" being in the name!

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                                                            mwk RE: bitsubeats Feb 9, 2007 05:57 AM

                                                            What is Firefly's BBQ, I've never heard of it. Is it substantially better than the standard pub/grill place?

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                                                              Pegmeister RE: bitsubeats Feb 9, 2007 08:57 AM

                                                              Firefly's has 2 locations. One is in Natick and I believe the other one is in Marlborough? On Sundays they do an all you can eat brunch with ribs; brisket; wings; cornbread; mac & cheese etc. etc. On the regular menu they have a BBQ pu pu platter which is quite good. There motto is "Bodacious BBQ". I like it better than Redbones but my favorite BBQ is still Memphis Road House.

                                                              1. bitsubeats RE: bitsubeats Feb 9, 2007 09:43 AM

                                                                you've got to be kidding me. I went there once and I absolutely hated it. I didn't know what all the fuss was about (mostly phantom gourmet). I guess I will have to try it again.

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                                                                  jjbourgeois RE: bitsubeats Feb 10, 2007 09:03 AM

                                                                  Ugh, another bad BBQ joint. Last thing Quincy needs is another mediocre restaurant. Did the restaurant get sold or if Firefly's leasing the space? Last I heard the asking price was somewhere over $2 million.

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