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Good food, bad ambience

free sample addict aka Tracy L Aug 7, 2006 04:08 AM

Ok, we've covered good food, bad service but what about bad ambience? How good does the food have to be if the ambience is bad? I am not talking about places that are a sneeze away from the health dept. closing them down, I am talking about places that have close quarters, tacky decor, unusual location or clientele, loud music etc. Basically an atmosphere that makes you edgey.

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    j2brady RE: free sample addict aka Tracy L Aug 7, 2006 12:00 PM

    This is a toughy...Ithink it depends on the balance between good food and bad atmosphere.

    Some places I go to for the whole package...usually long relaxed dinners with my boyfriend.

    Although, some of my favourite places are just becuase of the awesome food including a Somalian in Toronto. The ambience screams utility! The walls are this strange neon-hospital-green colour, the lighting is a row of high powered neons hovering above, the only decor is a huge pop fridge. ...that is all forgiven though when I get my goat soup and chicken stew!


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      cheryl_h RE: free sample addict aka Tracy L Aug 7, 2006 02:22 PM

      Most of the restaurants in Boston's Chinatown can be pretty divey - very basic decor, formica-topped tables, brusque wait staff. But the food is great, very fresh, tasty, authentic ingredients, beautifully cooked (mostly, not always), so for the sake of good eating, we put up with the surroundings. If the food weren't fantastic, I wouldn't put up with it.

      1. Pei RE: free sample addict aka Tracy L Aug 7, 2006 04:36 PM

        If the food's good I hardly ever feel edgey.

        1. Robert Lauriston RE: free sample addict aka Tracy L Aug 7, 2006 06:09 PM

          If the food's good, ambiance doesn't matter.

          If the food's not good, ambiance matters even less!

          I guess the only time ambiance would affect my decision on where to eat would be when two places have similar food and prices, or for a birthday or anniversary.

          1. MMRuth RE: free sample addict aka Tracy L Aug 7, 2006 06:31 PM

            If it affects my comfort level, I probably won't return - or would give it a second chance but not more. There was a restaurant we used to like on South Beach - great food, but they played this really hokey elevator music and it really was grating. For me, part of going out to eat is a general enjoyment of the experience, and if something takes away from that, I probably wouldn't go back.

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              Robert Lauriston RE: MMRuth Aug 7, 2006 06:46 PM

              Partly agree.

              Loud music, forget it.

              But I will put up with horrible Asian pop music if the food's good enough.

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                MMRuth RE: Robert Lauriston Aug 7, 2006 07:04 PM

                At our favorite "cheap" sushi place, they seem to have purchased the Best of the 60s, 70s & 80s and rotate them - makes us laugh!

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              melly RE: free sample addict aka Tracy L Aug 7, 2006 06:56 PM

              I ate at Simpatica in Portland,OR. They were given a heads up in Bon Appetite a while back. It is a dining hall in a basement...a long narrow room with long narrow tables..communal dining. It was very, very busy, crowded and loud. I felt edgy at first. Once the food arrived..I was in heaven. Perfect in every way. The kitchen was wide open too. Very, very different. I will go back..and I go to Portland lots.

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                marcia RE: free sample addict aka Tracy L Aug 7, 2006 11:04 PM

                Bad music? Eh, I can live with it. LOUD music, not all that wild about, but whatever.

                What I really hate are tables so close together everybody in the entire restaurant has to shift in order to accommodate somebody either sitting down or getting up from the table. I don't like communal eating with strangers which is what I feel like is happening when the "next" table is barely twelve inches away from mine.

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                  Akatonbo RE: free sample addict aka Tracy L Aug 8, 2006 08:17 PM

                  Ambience is very important to me - it's part of the whole dining experience. I do like a "hole-in-the-wall," but in that case it's the very lack of ambience that (along with the food) creates the experience - although I must admit, I tend to only go to those places for lunch. When I go out for dinner, I want the whole shebang - great food, nice ambience, attentive service.

                  There was recently a Japanese place in Chicago that served "kaiseki" cuisine - the meal was over $100 per person. The problem was that you ate in what seemed to be a hastily-thrown-together coffee shop, with paper napkins and pull-apart chopsticks. The food was good, but the total experience was lacking. It just didn't make any sense to me.

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                    kare_raisu RE: Akatonbo Aug 9, 2006 02:01 AM

                    was that the matsumoto talked about on the lthforum?

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                      Akatonbo RE: kare_raisu Aug 9, 2006 04:18 PM

                      Yes indeedy. Chef Matsumoto left, and they have re-concepted themselves with a more normal Japanese menu, but I haven't read anything about the decor having been changed, so they're off my radar screen.

                  2. Robert Lauriston RE: free sample addict aka Tracy L Aug 8, 2006 09:06 PM

                    $100 is cheap for good kaiseki.

                    I love places that do first-rate food at lower prices by skipping the the high-cost trappings--like Jai Yun, Pizzeria Delfina, or Canteen in San Francico.

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                      limster RE: Robert Lauriston Aug 9, 2006 05:10 AM

                      I like Jai Yun but wouldn't necessarily consider their current prices as "lower."

                    2. PaulF RE: free sample addict aka Tracy L Aug 8, 2006 11:51 PM

                      The more I think about it, the more I think these might be ideal chowhound places.

                      If the food is the thing and the lousy ambiance keeps out the casual foodie, then you're left with great chow and no problem getting a reservation.

                      1. OCAnn RE: free sample addict aka Tracy L Aug 9, 2006 12:07 AM

                        For me, the ambiance is directly proportional to service & how much I spend, not so much to the food.

                        Paraphrasing what akatonobo said, a lack of ambiance in a "hole-in-the wall" place is what gives it charm. And I'll tolerate poor service.

                        However, if I'm paying top $$, then I expect top service & ambiance.

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