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erikka Jul 31, 2006 07:59 PM

Quite often, in a pinch, I find myself buying a six pack of beer from the corner deli - usually something of the Sam Adams/Red Stripe/fairly commercial ilk (which, for Brooklyn includes some things that would probably be considered microbrews elsewhere) and I usually end up getting the same, boring "safe" beer. I've been having horrible luck lately--I can't tell you how many skunked bottles I've had in the last six months because you can't tell how long a six pack has been in the back of that cooler. Are there any widespread/commercial beers that are skunk-resistant (I'm sure this has something to do with bottling? Glass color?) and does anyone have any bodega-find hidden gem recommendations? I've been sticking to Sam Adams Summer Ale and Smuttynose IPA (when I can get it) and as my "safe" bets but I'm ready to branch out.

  1. MaspethMaven Aug 19, 2006 01:04 PM

    Occasionally, and if you can find it, genessee cream ale in the green can. Poured into a glass, its actually not terrible. categorize as a light dinner ale, perhaps.

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      Tom Hall Aug 2, 2006 04:24 PM

      Sierra Nevada pale ale is my safety choice except on those 100+ degree days then Coors is fine.

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        tastinglife Aug 1, 2006 10:35 PM

        What about Yuengling? They make an Amber Bock and a Lager that are both good, come in both cans and brown glass bottles, and are as inexpensive as Bud. We can't get it up here in Massachusetts, but you can find it at every corner store/gas station in NY. I bring some back every time I travel far enough south or west to find it.

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          JessKidden Aug 2, 2006 11:06 AM

          Yuengling doesn't make an "Amber Bock" that I've ever seen (and I've been buying Y products for 30+ years- back when it was a local Eastern PA product). http://www.yuengling.com/beers.htm

          Many years ago, they did sell a "Bock" but it's been dropped along with a number of other styles/brands, what with the popularity of "Lager" and "Black & Tan".

          They DO make a "Premium Beer" (typical US light lager style) and their "Traditional Lager" is a darker, richer beer. (Maybe you got those confused?) Both do come in cans but the Trad. Lager comes in green glass, unfortunately- so, for me, it's not "safe" (except for the fact that it's often available in a closed 12 pack).

          The green glass (and a hard to read date code) is why I seldom buy their "Chesterfield Ale" anymore, even for nostalgia-sake- it was once, in the pre-micro days, one of my regulars. For a time (in the early 80's), it even came in brown deposit bottles and it was best in that package. Even the thicker, returnable deposit green bottles, sold only by the case, were better than the thin green glass, open-6-pack basket one usually find CA in these days.

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            tastinglife Aug 2, 2006 03:34 PM

            I stand corrected. I must have confused it with another brew. Either way, Yuengling makes a much better than average beer for an average beer price, and I've never gotten one that was skunked.

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            sailormouth Aug 2, 2006 07:22 PM

            I live in Boston and dream of the day that Yuengling crosses the Rubicon into New England. I remember quite well the first time I saw them in Manhattan, but I don't remember much after that as I drank about a keg.

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              MVNYC Aug 2, 2006 10:31 PM

              I dont get the appeal of Yuengling nowadays. Sure when there were only macros about, yeungling was good beer but with the proliferation of quality microbrews and good imports Yeungling sort of falls off. I personally think it is a mediocre to poor beer.

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                Jim Dorsch Aug 2, 2006 11:20 PM

                Of course I can't say why people buy Yuengling, but there are many factors that go into a consumer's decision, and I could see Yuengling faring well because of price, nostalgia, its niche between micro and industrial ... I could see how a person who isn't looking to be terribly adventurous might like the way Yuengling is different, but not too different.

                I've heard the same said about Widmer Hefeweizen. Sitting at the bar, it looks different because it's so cloudy, but its taste isn't terribly challenging.

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                  erikka Aug 3, 2006 03:58 AM

                  For people in the NY/Philly area I thinkn it's mostly a price thing--a six pack is usually $2 cheaper than everything else, making it bud-priced but better quality. I find it nonoffensive--not a first choice but it's a good party beer since you can buy two cases for next to nothing.

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                    tastinglife Aug 3, 2006 04:57 AM

                    I'm plenty adventurous when it comes to beer, but I like Yuengling because it's a good value and a decent consistant brew. I also tend to have a special affection for beers that I can only get in places away from home... Yuengling on trips to NY/NJ/PA, Boreale in Quebec... That said, I'd buy both of these beers regularly if they were available at home.

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                      sailormouth Aug 3, 2006 05:53 PM

                      Yuengling is never an adventure beer, but it's consistent, light, and goes well with anything, which can't be said for very many beers at all. And it's about the only potable thing between Albany and Alabama when you go through the middle NY, PA, WV and VA.

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                dagnabbit Aug 1, 2006 10:13 PM

                Well, it all depends on what's available. If they are on offer, my go-to's are Negro Modelo (dark bottle, great beer) or Bass. If they aren't, Red Stripe (dark bottle, drinkable beer). If none of those are available... I guess I'd go with Corona, but I wouldn't like it. :)

                (Of course, this is all with the understanding that there aren't other really good, interesting beers available... and btw, Dale's Pale Ale in the can is awesome.)

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                  Cheese Boy Aug 2, 2006 01:12 AM

                  All these girls commenting on beer (in earlier posts) is great...! Let's party!

                  Anyhow, dagnabbit has it right. Loves Bass, Red Stripe too, Negro Modelo in their cute little nippy bottles, will settle for a Corona: add to that list (A) Dos Equis, and (B) Dinkel Acker Dark. ... Now it's a party.

                  (A) http://www.dunwoodybeerfest.com/images/dosxx.gif
                  and
                  (B) http://www.callzia.com/BecksLabels/Ge...

                  All skunkable, but very drinkable.

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                    erikka Aug 2, 2006 03:07 AM

                    I know plenty of girls who are into beer--I've done my time at Spuyten and Muggs. Shit, two weeks ago I visited Dogfishead down in Delaware. But I guess beersnobbery is more of a guy thing--which, in the end, fares well for me when I'm out.

                    Agreed on Negro Modelo--it reminds me of Brooklyn rooftops in the summer. I like a wedge of lime. Strange to think it comes from the same place as Corona.

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                      Bobfrmia Aug 2, 2006 03:18 AM

                      I know girls that brew beer. The "beer is a guy thing" has been dead for years.
                      I envy your trip to Dogfishead. All I can get here is the 60 minute. I'm dieing for the 90 min.

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                        joypirate Aug 2, 2006 02:41 PM

                        I'm going Saturday for the 2nd time and I'm very excited to see what they're pouring. Man, I love that place. Bob, I've seen you post about the Pride & Joy from Three Floyds, try Dogfish Head's Aprihop if you see it and compare.

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                          erikka Aug 2, 2006 02:43 PM

                          I know it's available via mail order

                          http://www.beerliquors.com/buy/beer/D...

                          We had dinner at the brew pub--it was really lovely. Tried the fort, old school barleywine (15% abv, DAMN it was strong!) and Immort Ale.

                          Oh, and chicory stout + chocolate ice cream = best "milkshake" you'll ever have.

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                    mattrapp Aug 1, 2006 09:37 PM

                    Bring on the Bass! My absolute fail safe.

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                      erikka Aug 2, 2006 03:02 AM

                      i would venture to say that in the world of cheap six packs, Bass is very underrated.

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                      asobi Aug 1, 2006 06:46 PM

                      I can't believe there are recommendations for Rolling Rock and Corona on here. Outside of light beers, I can't think of 2 6-packs I'd be less likely to buy.

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                        erikka Aug 1, 2006 07:55 PM

                        I'm surprized, too. Like I said above, dire straights only. They both have this weird, unidentifiable taste that you don't find in other beers. Very chemical, but not in the good 'diet coke' sort of way. Quite honestly, I would probably buy Budweiser before I'd buy either of those.

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                          Cheese Boy Aug 1, 2006 08:08 PM

                          I prefer any imports over domestics, but I wouldn't buy Bud ever.
                          I'd buy it maybe to use to put out fires.

                          I like porters.
                          http://www.nubo.ru/pavel_egorov/old_u...

                          That's a nice one.

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                            MVNYC Aug 1, 2006 08:54 PM

                            Why would you prefer imports over domestics? Most beers do not stand the voyage to the US very well.

                            As awful as Bud is, i would prefer it over a skunked Henieken, Becks or Corona.

                            Luckily for me, living in San Diego, My safe beer is now Stone IPA.

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                              erikka Aug 1, 2006 10:08 PM

                              Ever heard the joke about domestic beer?

                              Q: How is Budweiser like having s-x in a canoe
                              A: It's 'effin close to water

                              A normal budweiser over a sknunked Heinie, always.

                              (sorry for the prudishness--I don't know CH's policy on profanity)

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                                Captain Aug 1, 2006 10:40 PM

                                Ever hear the one about why the make "light" beer. It's for people who don't like beer, but want to go a lot.

                                I can like almost any beer, and on a hot day, like today, an ice cold, watery domestic (even the ultimate water Coors Light) goes down fast and easy. It's like swallowing air from the coldest AC. But, after one or two, I'm back to something else.

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                                  Bobfrmia Aug 2, 2006 03:15 AM

                                  I'm sorry, Bud doesn't have enough taste to be awful. It's a fine choice for a hot afternoon of outdoor work when you don't feel like water, but don't want to get drunk.

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                                    Josh Aug 2, 2006 04:22 PM

                                    My local safe beer is either Levitation or Stone IPA. I've also spied Port's Shark Bite Red at a lot of stores.

                            2. sailormouth Aug 1, 2006 05:09 PM

                              Brooklyn Brewery has beers in cans now and I imagine if you found it in your deli it hadn't been sitting there that long. While that's a little more difficult to find up here in Boston, I am curious as to whether it has made it to the deli level in New York.

                              Unless you plan on moving to a neighborhood with a package store or bodega that has a good stock and you drink a lot of beer, you may consider getting a kegerator. Always good, cold beer on tap and rarely have to worry about running out. Saves tons of money too.

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                                erikka Aug 1, 2006 05:35 PM

                                My roommate works for Brooklyn Brewery (I know, poor me) and I have drank so much Brooklyn Lager it turns my stomach to think about it. I do like their black chocolate stout and weisse. BB tend to be so dramatically different on tap than they are in the bottle--I'm spoiled from the former. But it's interesting they decide to go canned--I will have to ask about this and get more info.

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                                  sailormouth Aug 1, 2006 05:50 PM

                                  I. hate. you SO much.

                                  It almost looked like a promotional gag when I saw it at the liquor store, next to a few racks of Narragansett (total blast from the past). We've finally started to get BB beers other than the lager up here on tap in the bars, (my favourites are the pennant ale and the pilsner).

                                  Anyway, please update re the cans.

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                                    bobjbkln Aug 4, 2006 03:58 AM

                                    The reason for the cans is simple. Brooklyn now sells at the ballparks and arenas in NY. Bottles just don't work there. Having set up a canning line in Utica, I guess they figured it was worth trying to market them in stores as well. Note that, AFAIK, only Brooklyn Lager (and maybe Pennant Ale) comes in cans.

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                                    subinai Aug 1, 2006 09:34 PM

                                    Not fair! How much beer do you get out of that sweet deal?

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                                      erikka Aug 1, 2006 10:10 PM

                                      Carrying it from the brewery all the way home is a drag, so not that much. Usually I get freebies for stopping by brewery tours, so I get to try their microbatches and rare stuff. Trust me, I don't need encouragement--it's a good thing the brewery is far away.

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                                        mrnyc Aug 14, 2006 07:45 PM

                                        brooklyn brewery beers are sooverated, they are truly the epitome of mediocre. they get over due to marketing appeal of the name. they may be ok in a pinch, but they're not worth a beerfan's time.

                                        my quick go-to's are negro modelo and also the original craft beer company products of sierra nevada and anchor.

                                        my bottom line sweltering hot day watery fizz beer needs are met via pbr's. i think pabst has a much dryer and more appealing (lack of) taste than coors, miller, presidente, corona or esp that sugary swill bud.

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                                          Jim Dorsch Aug 14, 2006 08:33 PM

                                          It's interesting to me that mmyc finds the entire (and quite broad) line of Brooklyn Brewery products to be mediocre. Perhaps some more specific comments are in order.

                                          Brooklyn Brown Ale is a fine example of an American brown ale, and one of the earlier ones. I rather enjoy Black Chocolate Stout; in fact, I think it's excellent.

                                          Brooklyn's brewmaster, Garrett Oliver, is highly regarded in the brewing community, and is a wonderful spokesman for craft beer.

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                                            erikka Aug 14, 2006 08:39 PM

                                            I think Brooklyn's secondary & seasonals far outshine thier readily available offerings (e.g.,the stuff you'd pick up at the bodega). Their wheat, weisse and chocolate stout are great--especially if you can get them on tap. Brooklyn Lager makes me shudder just thinking about it--rancid and one of my least favorite beers. I will go without (or will drink crappy watery canned beer) before drinking BL - I think BL ties Heineken in skunkiness per six pack purchased. I guess, in general, I find them to be a little inconsistent in their offerings, but that could be said about a lot of breweries.

                                    2. Cheese Boy Aug 1, 2006 04:32 PM

                                      Safe beer, go figure. A lot of it has to do with surrounding demographics. Don't buy Pilsner Urquell in Crown Heights or in the South Bronx. Chances are it's been sitting on the shelf for a while, if it's even there at all.

                                      Safe beer nowadays, would be the trendy ones. Corona especially. Our great country has a definite Mexican presence, and Corona is a Mexican beer. It's loved by college students, men, women, young and old. My point is, it's fresh because of the demand. Very little "skunking" going on. That would be my go-to beer at the moment. (w/ Lime).

                                      Image: http://static.flickr.com/4/4904215_55...

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                                        erikka Aug 1, 2006 04:58 PM

                                        Years ago I heard rumors that Corona has formaldehyde in it (http://www.barking-moonbat.com/index.... sure they're just that, rumors, but I haven't drank a single bottle since. You have to wonder how the preserve the stuff when it's in clear bottles. Corona is one of absolute last-resort beers along with Bud, Miller. The chemical aftertaste is pretty bad.

                                        In addition to my "safe beer" catagory, I also have a "party beer" catagory--you never bring good beer to a party because you'll get one and everyone else will pilfer them, leaving you with bud tallboys and the slop they didn't want to drink. I ususally go for a beer that says "cheap...but not that cheap. I still have a semblence of taste." Brooklyn Brewery goes in this catagory (would never buy for myself--I don't particularly enjoy most of their beers), as does red stripe, etc...

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                                          MVNYC Aug 1, 2006 05:23 PM

                                          Corona is hardly a safe beer. All Coronas are skunked. Clear bottles are even worse than green ones. besides that Corona is awful to begin with.

                                          My "safe" beer in NYC is usually Brooklyn IPA.

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                                            asobi Aug 1, 2006 06:47 PM

                                            Very few Mexicans drink Corona.

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                                              Cheese Boy Aug 1, 2006 08:15 PM

                                              Enough do. That's like saying Americans don't drink Bud. Come to my hood and you can see for yourself. The streets are littered with them. Adios.

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                                                melly Aug 3, 2006 10:45 PM

                                                Not true asobi. Not true at all.

                                            2. JessKidden Jul 31, 2006 09:26 PM

                                              True "skunking", i.e., "light struck" beer is strictly a result of beer being exposed to light. Green glass protects beer less well than brown and hoppier/lighter-colored beers are more prone to it (since hops are the ingredient that causes it and lighter beers have less going on to hide the results)- think Heineken, Ballantine, Chesterfield Ale, etc. And it happens in several hours, so "freshness" is relative. (Lots of people use "skunking" to refer to any and all stale/old beer defects).

                                              I never buy beer in green glass bottles that has been exposed to light. (And, having been a Ballantine Ale drinker since the 70's, I've been doing it a long time). That means "sealed cases" only of Jever, etc. Pilsner Urquel, in NJ, often comes in closed 12 packs, if a case is too much. (I buy all my beer by the case- picked up cases of Victory Prima Pils, Pilsner Urquell and Sly Fox's Pikeland Pils today- going "light" in preparation for these 100 degree days.)

                                              The latter beer comes in the ideal package- a can. Forget the prejudice, and look for something in cans. Granted, in the US, where "marketing" people rule, cans of imports are uncommon but, apparently, there are now canning lines that are actually cheaper than bottling lines, so look for more and more micros to be packaged that way, IF the brewers can convince people that beer is BETTER from a can after years of being told only "cheap" beer comes in that package.

                                              Also, learn to read date codes. Lots of good beers these days have an easy to read date code (the Prima Pils, above) and if your local brand DOESN'T, drop them an e-mail and ask, "Why not?".

                                              Also, if there are cases of beer in a store, "steal" a six from a closed case (often they also have easier date codes to decifer) rather than something off the shelf.

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                                                erikka Aug 1, 2006 05:03 PM

                                                Thank you--this is great info to have. You're not the first person I've heard mention cans are better than bottles--a few of my beersnob friends have said nearly the same thing. Unfortunately, the sheerly physical feeling of drinking out of a can is so unsatisfying--there's that metallic tinge you get with every sip. Bottles fit in your hand, show you how much is left. Yeah, I know I could just pour it into a glass but sometimes I'm not always in those sort of situations (parties). Are there currently any upscale breweries that have gone canned?

                                                I don't think I've ever had an un-skunked Heineken. I have no idea what it tastes like "fresh"--probably just as bad as it tastes aged.

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                                                  Josh Aug 1, 2006 05:25 PM

                                                  I've had good canned beer from a place in Colorado called Oskar Blues. Dale's Pale Ale and Old Chub are both really good beers. The trick is to just pour the beer into a glass.

                                                  Unskunked Heineken is actually pretty decent.

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                                                    JessKidden Aug 1, 2006 07:53 PM

                                                    I did not suggest you DRINK out of a can. ALL beer (bottled, canned, draft) should be drunk from a glass. Pouring the beer into a glass releases excess C02, allows the hop and malt fragrences to be appreciated and forms a nice head that then forms a barrier that protects the rest of the C02.

                                                    Try it- even "cheap" beer tastes better out of a glass. (Sadly, it won't do much for mishandled, stale or skunked beer except further expose it's problems).

                                                    At these parties are people drinking wine, soda and hard liquor out of the bottle or can? I'm sure brewing marketers LIKE the fact that people drink from the container but brewers probably don't.

                                                    As for "upscale" breweries and cans, the most common brands I see in neighboring NJ are the elsewhere mentioned "Dales Ales" from Colorado, Brooklyn and Sly Fox's Pikeland Pils and their IPA. (They are also nicely dated on the 12 pack cardboard box- something IIRC Dale's aren't). Lots of German, Czech and UK beers come in cans- they just don't come all the way to the US.

                                                    And there's always Ballantine XXX Ale- yeah, "it ain't the same" since Pabst closed all the Falstaff breweries and started having it brewed by Miller, but it's still a better choice than Rolling Rock and Corona, for my money.

                                                2. joypirate Jul 31, 2006 09:09 PM

                                                  Yeah, but alternately, in this brutal heat, if you want the absolute coldest beer equivalent to ice water, go for something below the radar enough to have been sitting in the fridge for weeks (hopefully protected from the light). I find Rolling Rock ideal in these sweltering situations. No one ever orders it (because it's sort of boring), but because it's been sitting around forever it'll be ice, ice cold. Works better in bar situations really.

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                                                    erikka Jul 31, 2006 09:15 PM

                                                    That's my worry about the nicer, rarer beers - maybe the deli ordered a few six packs god-knows-when and they've been sitting around in a warm basement ever since. At least I know the sh-tty beer has a higher turnover, even though it pains me to pick that over a craft ale, just on principle alone.

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                                                    Captain Jul 31, 2006 08:45 PM

                                                    To avoid the skunks, I avoid the rarer brews. And I try to gauge ny neighborhood, a bit. I may like the Smuttynose, but I also know the regular old Sam Adams has probably been sitting there for a lot less time. The brands I tend to get, when I am going to drink it with some who can appreciate them: Sam Adams, plain old Sam; Guiness, nothing exotic here; Brooklyn, but not uptown, only below 23rd Street; and in a rare instance, Negro Modelo. None of them too rare. I used to live in a rather Mexican area in Queens, but it was not a place to buy Negra Modelo. I used to go in and get some take out at a Mexican place, and the local Mexicans all drank Heineken. I got them to switch once, for a beer, when I ordered the Mexican beer. I think you need to think about the six pack as I also think about a beer on tap: if they don't pour it often enough, it will not be good. In Mexican place or a shi-shi wine bar, don't order Guiness. In an Irish pub, watch out for the microbrewed IPA. Buy what sells fairly quickly in your neighborhood and check the dates, if you can and think of it.

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                                                      erikka Jul 31, 2006 09:19 PM

                                                      I live in a mixed neighborhood--right on the border of where Park Slope meets not-so-nice southern Park Slope (and things get a little industrial/less brownstone-y). I'm guessing a lot of deli owners saw all the young twentysomthing professionals moving in and bought fancier beer accordingly. I honestly have no idea what people are buying--sparks? malt liquor? In general, when at a bar and drinking on tap, I would not consider drinking Rolling Rock, SA, Brooklyn or any of those beers. Sitting at home watching a crappy movie - eh, why not.

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                                                        Peter Cuce Aug 2, 2006 07:32 PM

                                                        Off topic, but the deli on the corner of 16th and 5th has some uncommon beers, including some Russian and other eastern european stuff.

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