31215 Tue Aug 31 18:53:37 -0700 2004 26 1 San Francisco Bay Area 0 135997 So I hear from a Hayes Valley resident friend-o-mine that the defunct Powell's soul food place is set to become... a Zachary's pizza!! If true, this is truly joyous news to me, as I am currently in a Zachary's obsessed phase and unable to make it over the bridge for the pizza half as often as I crave it. Tue Aug 31 18:53:37 -0700 2004 0 Celeste 1 135998 Oh my, if this turns out to be what my friend would call Unconfirmed Scoop I will be one disappointed dog (hound). Fingers crossed! Tue Aug 31 18:54:48 -0700 2004 135997 0 Frosty Melon (was Chowderhead) 2 136061 I also read about it in a local neighborhood paper. So it must be true! Can't wait there may be a pizza crawl yet in that neighborhood! Wed Sep 01 01:07:12 -0700 2004 135998 0 ciaogina 1 136008 PLEASE keep us posted on this potential development! Would love a Zachary's on this side of the Bay... Tue Aug 31 19:54:13 -0700 2004 135997 0 bernalgirl 1 136021 oh lordy! Tue Aug 31 21:08:14 -0700 2004 135997 0 vespaloon 1 136022 From your mouth to the "Cooking-Gods'" ears!!! It doesn't seem like the place would be large enough...but we can hope.. Does Zachary's deliver? I'm going to call them now and see what they say. Tue Aug 31 21:18:44 -0700 2004 135997 0 ChowFun (derek) 2 136025 The guys at the main location know nothing about it...I also sent an email to the office...if I hear back, I'll let you know. Tue Aug 31 21:26:02 -0700 2004 136022 0 ChowFun (derek) 2 136027 Zachary's most definitely does not deliver. Tue Aug 31 21:32:07 -0700 2004 136022 0 Robert Lauriston 1 136037 Is this a good thing? Not only do I not like Zachary's pizza, but you have to take out a 2nd mortgage to afford it. Tue Aug 31 22:00:13 -0700 2004 135997 0 ToddG 2 136044 Well, you know, we're chowhounds and we disagree about pizza alot so I'm not surprised some people would not be happy. I thought Viccolo was the reigning 2nd mortgage pizza around. Link: http://chowingwiththehounds.com/picnic/upcoming/ Tue Aug 31 22:33:50 -0700 2004 136037 0 Pssst 2 136077 Huh? A small, stuffed crust, two toppings pizza at Zachary's is about $15, which is a full meal for two hungry adults. A large, "thin crust," two toppings pizza at just about every other pizza place in the bay area is about the same price, and goes as far. Wed Sep 01 11:45:56 -0700 2004 136037 0 nja 3 136132 There suggested serving sizes are complete BS. A sixteen inch pizza (which they call extra large but many other places call large) will not serve 4-5. Since when do five people share a 16 inch pizza? A 16 inch pizza is almost two dollars less at Orgasmica, which is also expensive. Za is less, as are most other non "fancy" pizza places. I stand by my comments, nearly $16 for a friggin plain pizza. Wed Sep 01 17:46:26 -0700 2004 136077 0 ToddG 4 136136 It took far too many Cal students far too many visits to figure it out, but if you eat more than two slices of Zachary's pizza, you are uncomfortably full. 2 and a half for a big eater. There is not another pizza in the world that I couldn't possibly eat a third slice of, and I don't even have a huge appetite. Whenever the pizza would show up (finally), it would seem far too small for our needs, but there were always leftovers - which were highly coveted. Wed Sep 01 18:29:33 -0700 2004 136132 0 Meredith 5 136139 I agree...I can easily eat a third to a half of a regular Neopolitan/New York style pie...but Zachary's-Chicago style...is the "HIGHRISE" of pies...twice to three times as high...I'll bet it weighs a heck of a lot more also...two (wonderful) slices for me,...and the rest are for the next day...and the next day...and some for the freezer....This one is really "Abondanza!" Wed Sep 01 18:46:29 -0700 2004 136136 0 ChowFun (derek) 6 136142 Oh, you just reminded me of the wonder of picking up one of those boxes only to have the weight of the stuffed pizza drag your arm down. I think I might need to take a trip out to Berkeley soon. Wed Sep 01 18:58:07 -0700 2004 136139 0 Meredith 7 136154 The weight is in that unbearably hard crust (on the "thin" crust pizzas), which is nothing that would be served in Chicago. Don't bring a friend with dentures! Wed Sep 01 21:05:09 -0700 2004 136142 0 HungryGrayCat 8 136155 Zachary's thin crust isn't heavier than the average pizzeria's. It *is* very eccentric--all crunch and no stretch, like a cracker, rather than a balance of the two as in a proper pizza crust. Wed Sep 01 21:09:35 -0700 2004 136154 0 Robert Lauriston 9 136176 it depends on what you mean by a proper pizza crust the cracker like crust is commonly found in chicago and the pizza is served in squares, usually with sausage Thu Sep 02 01:12:43 -0700 2004 136155 0 chicago pizza 4 136140 i'm assuming you're referring to the thin crust pizza, which i've never eaten at zachary's, but the thin crust prices are less expensive then amicis (i feel that amicis is expensive but i like it nonetheless) but the serving suggestions for zachary's stuffed pizzas are fairly accurate (most adults can only have 2 slices during a meal) and the stuffed pizzas are quite reasonably priced as well Wed Sep 01 18:53:21 -0700 2004 136132 0 Jones 4 136143 I think you're comparing apples to oranges when comparing Zachary's stuffed to pretty much any other type of pizza in the Bay Area. Wed Sep 01 18:58:48 -0700 2004 136132 0 Frosty Melon (was Chowderhead) 4 136144 I see the problem. A 16" X-large at Zachary's is the thin crust. You'll get no argument from me that the thin crust is a bad deal at Zachary's. The only reason to go there is the stuffed crust, which, pound for pound, is a good deal IMO. -Nick Link: http://www.zacharys.com/menu.html Wed Sep 01 19:01:06 -0700 2004 136132 0 nja 5 136147 The only reason I go to Zachary's is for the thin-crust pizza bianca with chorizo and chiles. Generally I find their crust too cracker-like, but it's good in that context. For Chicago-style pizza, I prefer Little Chicago. Wed Sep 01 19:29:36 -0700 2004 136144 0 Robert Lauriston 6 136250 I have to admit, Zachary's was my first and only experience with Chicago style pizza (if that is what it is, and I have read the fights on this). But does Little Chicago do the same thing, with the filling in the middle and a topping of fresh tomatoes? I am definitely in for a comparison. Thu Sep 02 14:07:48 -0700 2004 136147 0 Meredith 7 136261 Little Chicago doing basically the same thing, right. Deep-dish crust, cheese on the bottom, toppings next, tomato on top. It's take-out or delivery (527-8789? 841-9378?) only, but Albatross Pub sells slices. They share a kitchen with West Coast Pizza, so don't order the wrong thing by mistake. Thu Sep 02 14:57:01 -0700 2004 136250 0 Robert Lauriston 8 136263 Thank you for all the information - especially about the Albatross, it happens that I am going to be there on Sunday night! Perfect. Thu Sep 02 15:04:06 -0700 2004 136261 0 Meredith 1 136068 Here is the response to my email...read it and weep!!! Thanks for your email.  Sorry to be the one to tell you...that IS just a rumor.  We have no plans to open in the city right now.  We certainly don't rule it out as a possible location in our future...just not now. Thanks again, JP General Manager ps-where did you hear that rumor anyway??? Wed Sep 01 03:59:31 -0700 2004 135997 0 ChowFun (derek) 2 136086 I figured it wasn't true. The owners are retiring and transferring ownership to the staff, and that's not a situation where it would make sense to open a third branch. Wed Sep 01 12:07:13 -0700 2004 136068 0 Robert Lauriston