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rootytootyfreshnfrooty Jul 17, 2006 09:57 PM

Is there anyplace to eat Chinese food of any type in the Heights/Ft. Greene/ Washington Heights/ Park Slope/ Carroll Gardens/ Red Hook area? There must be! Been frequenting Great NY Noodletown late nights- I wish I was frequenting Great Brooklyn Noodletown! Is there a comparable place in Chinatown Brooklyn? (the Sunset Park one- Ave. U is too far, as is Flushing, although I often do both).

I like Joy's K on Bay Parkway- solid Mandarin place with very good dim sum. But I need a place closer to home. Is there a Noodletown equivalent on 8th Ave?

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    noisejoke Jul 31, 2006 09:01 PM

    Answering the original inquiry: No, there is pretty much no Chinese food of any note outside of the known areas of Chinese-American population density. At least Yen-Yen on Church, as noted previously, is edible and fun "old school" Brooklyn style. In fact their Chow Mein is pretty clean. I cannot however say if it's as good as my dad's WW2 era favorite, Nathan's Chow Mein on a Bun.

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      eglazarev Jul 31, 2006 08:41 PM

      Sorry to hear Richard Yee's let you down. It is long in the tooth but I liked the vibe. I'll have to try Joy K and Wing Shing.

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        huskerdont Jul 27, 2006 10:01 PM

        Yen Yen on Church Avenue and East 4th is a way-above average 1960s style Chinese restaurant. Their tiki drinks are amazing as well.

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          Fleur Jul 26, 2006 08:27 PM

          There was a huge invasion of Scezchuan and Hunan restaurants in NY during the 70's. Chinese food in general has fallen out of fashion. It has been replaced by the Chinese equivalents of the American "greasy spoon".

          The same can be said for Indian food as well. There were many upscale restaurants like AKBAR and RAGA that served wonderful food in beautiful settings, very much like in India. They are long gone and have been replaced working class type food which has none if the refinements or culinary accuracy. The one exception might by DAWAT owned by Indian acress and cooking expert Madhur Jaffrey.

          Both Indian and Chinese cuisine can be refined, elegant, complex and sophisticated; on a level with French and Italian. It is called Palace Cuisine.

          1. rootytootyfreshnfrooty Jul 26, 2006 03:05 PM

            Like I said before, Joy's K on Bay Parkway is pretty darn good. Wing Shing on Avenue U, AND I noticed a new place has opened on Bay Parkway a couple of blocks south of Joy's K (maybe in the high 60's?) that looks very promising. I have not been to World Tong.

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              eglazarev Jul 25, 2006 09:55 PM

              For my money, the best chinese food you'l find east of China is cooked at Richard Yee's on Ave U near Bedford. I only found this place cause in-laws live nearby but what a gem. The restaurant was originally across from Ebbets field and was one of the first Chinese spots in Brooklyn. The waiters are all over 60. The restaurant itself is right out of Rat Pack 60s, with cool banquets and a bar.
              The food, well you can judge a place by its duck sauce, and Yee's is the best I ever tasted. The food is slow-cooked, none of this flash-wok takeout BS.
              I could go on and on but if you consider yourself a foodie, I'd make a special effort to go there.
              PS, they don't open till after 4

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                FastEddie Jul 26, 2006 06:50 PM

                Sounds interesting and worth a try. Thanks.

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                  Peter Cherches Jul 27, 2006 06:10 PM

                  Unless they've changed, Richard Yee is a somewhat upscale version of old-style Cantonese-American cuisine. I haven't been there in 30 years.

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                  rootytootyfreshnfrooty Jul 31, 2006 03:00 PM

                  Well, I took your advice. Unfortunately. It has the potential to be a great old-school place, but unfortunately some older joints are just kind of stale. I had some incredibly dried out roast pork, all of the appetizers (we had the "gourmet dinner for two") were fried and had kind of a staleness to them, including the chinese-american classic noodles on the table. I think it's time for this place to get an overhaul- it's in a neighborhood where suddenly it's surrounded by cheaper and better chinese restaurants like Wing Shing... The place also had kind of a thriftstore smell. mmmmmm.

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                  Peter Cherches Jul 25, 2006 09:11 PM

                  Outside of Chinese neighborhoods there's very little good Chinese food anywhere in New York. I can't think off hand of any real Hong Kong or Cantonese places outside of the various Chinatowns these days except for Phoenix Garden (and I haven't been to their Midtown digs). Until a few years ago there wasn't any Sichuan, and now there are a handful of Shanghai, but it's not only Park Slope and surrounding neighborhoods that have a shortage when you think about it.

                  I don't know what the poster above means by "gentrified" food. I wouldn't call bad, gloppy, greasy, Americanized takes on Sichuan cuisine "gentrified."

                  http://petercherches.blogspot.com

                  1. Woodside Al Jul 25, 2006 05:09 AM

                    You mean Chnese-American food. Chinese food certainly has not gone out of fashion, as scads of restaurants in Chinatown, Flushing, and, yes, Brooklyn (on 8th Ave. and Ave. U) can attest.

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                      Fleur Jul 24, 2006 11:28 PM

                      Chinese food can be heavenly if made correctly. Unfortunately, Chinese food has gone out of fashion in NY and while there are many adequate Chinese restaurants in Brooklyn, none are outstanding.

                      We have found that the food at FORTUNE HOUSE on Henry Street has good food, especially their Shrimp dishes and their Fried Rice. Everything is fresh and good quality. ANDY'S on Montague Street uses all fresh, no canned ingredients and some of the dishes are nice. LICHEE NUT on Montague Street is also good for some dishes.

                      I think that is a starting point... fresh ingredients, nicely prepared.. the other is a matter of what dishes one orders and ones personal taste.

                      1. Woodside Al Jul 24, 2006 07:47 PM

                        The interesting question is why there are no good, or in my view even marginally decent, Chinese retaurants anywhere from Manhattan all the way out to Sunset Park. Given the population in the area, and their wealth, one would think that even a pretty good Chinese would do great business, and could also get away with charging somewhat higher prices to offset the higher rents. But then the relative culinary barrenness of my old neighborhood (the Slope) always did baffle me.

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                          mdog Jul 24, 2006 08:07 PM

                          Missed this one before starting a new thread- anyway here's my two cents from my post:

                          I know people might not necc. think that "best" and "chinese food" go together- but I'm originally from Jersey where nothing beat some good general cho's.

                          My favorite is Lee's Villa on Lawrence st. right off Fulton Mall. It's a divey large sit down place- I've had everything from chicken with triple nut to kung po chicken - and I don't know why- I just crave the food at this place.

                          Though not so hot overall- I really like the General Tso's at Red Hot Schezuan in the slope.

                        2. bigmackdaddy Jul 24, 2006 01:01 AM

                          Unfortunately all the Chinese spots in the Slope have gentrified menus. However, the good gentrified ones being Hunan Wok on 7th Avenue by Union, Tofu on 7th Avenue between 3rd and 4th st and, Red Hot Szechuan on 7th Avenue and 11th st. Hunan Delight on Unon and 6th ave has it's on and off days. The rest just plain suck.

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                            redgirl Jul 24, 2006 01:46 AM

                            i think hunan delight is temporarily closed. i believe that they are renovating. they are the best of a sad lot.

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                            Peter Cherches Jul 19, 2006 02:26 PM

                            Sunset Park is your only bet (though I've heard rumors of places further into Bensonhurst). ALL of the Chinese Restaurants in the Slope are so bad you might as well be in Fargo.

                            http://petercherches.blogspot.com

                            1. rootytootyfreshnfrooty Jul 19, 2006 01:21 AM

                              None. This sucks. Fortune House in the Heights? No Chinese in Park Slope? What about places on Eighth Avenue? The place that used to be Zeke's Roast Beef looks pretty good.

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                                jen kalb Jul 19, 2006 01:26 PM

                                there's a lot of legwork to be done in Brooklyn 8th Ave Chinatown. Think squid-kun posted a month or so ago on some of the options. Dont know about late nights there, tho there is a place called something like Kavala that looks like it might be open late -

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                                  Peter Cuce Jul 19, 2006 02:34 PM

                                  Jen, I think the OP was looking for places closer than Brookyn Chinatown. However, there are a whole bunch of late night places in Sunset Park, and I've tried a lot of them. I've been meaning to post about it but haven't got around to it. There's some good stuff to be had though.

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