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rc50 Jul 12, 2006 06:21 PM

Wll be in New York in November for about five days. Wanted to try eating places that are NY old established favorites. For instance, planning to try Katz for deli sandwiches. Any old established favorites that you New York Chowhounds could recommend- that you would take a visitor to experience the flavor of New York? Not looking for the pricy stuff- more the mom and pop or older eastablished neighborhood stuff.

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  1. Davwud RE: rc50 Jul 12, 2006 06:26 PM

    I don't live in NYC and have never been. One day I'll get there and I'm gonna visit Papya King for a dog and a juice.
    I also wanna go to the Carnegie Deli.

    DT

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      CornflakeGirl RE: Davwud Jul 19, 2006 11:09 AM

      Definitely skip Carnegie. It's strictly for the tourists.

      For a true NYC deli experience hit Katz's on the LES.

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      selizara RE: rc50 Jul 12, 2006 06:40 PM

      Gray's Papaya is better!

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        johns72604 RE: selizara Jul 12, 2006 08:43 PM

        I greatly prefer Papaya King to Gray's so maybe you should try both while in town.

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        rc50 RE: rc50 Jul 12, 2006 07:20 PM

        Is Gray's Papaya all over the city? How's Ray's Pizza in Greenwich Village?

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          Pan RE: rc50 Jul 13, 2006 05:54 AM

          Steer clear of Ray's, Original Rays, Famous Original Rays, etc., etc. Go up to East Harlem and get a regular pie (yes, I said pie) at Patsy's. Really old-school coal-oven pizza. If that's too far uptown, another classic place is Arturo's on West Houston St. Get the clam pie, it's miraculous!

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            Brian S RE: Pan Jul 19, 2006 04:15 PM

            Yes, Patsy's and Lombardi's blow all the Ray's out of the water. But I've noticed that the Greenwich Village Ray's (6 Av and 11 St) has much better slices than any other Ray's with the possible exception of the one at 27 Prince St. Any Ray's other than those two is inedible unless you are really drunk or really hungry, and even then you'd ponder long and hard before chowing down.

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          Pupster RE: rc50 Jul 12, 2006 07:36 PM

          Do a search for the LES eating tour (I forget who was the original author). It includes Katz's, Kossar's Bialys, the Doughnut Plant, Yonah Shimmel's Knishes, Laboratorio del Gelato, Dumpling House, and a stop for an egg cream (it might be Gem Spa). All within a few walkable blocks and doable in an afternoon for an intrepid hound. I've done it with guests, who rave at all the good cheap eats, and would recommend it to anyone.

          P.S. I'd probably throw in Despana, DiPalo's, Economy Candy, Sugar Sweet Sunshine, CeliCela, Lombardi's, a little Korean waffle with custard stall at Canal & Layfayette, and a few other places if you were REALLY ambitious.

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            Bob Martinez RE: Pupster Jul 12, 2006 08:34 PM

            RGR was the author of the LES tour.

            Other additions to the Old New York theme:

            Grand Central Oyster Bar

            Keens Chophouse

            McSorley's Ale House (go on a weekday mid-afternoon to avoid the crowds.) Oldest bar in NY. Get the cheese platter and the ham sandwhich with onions along with a couple of dark ales.

            Minetta Tavern - old style Italian restaurant from the 1930s
            with loads of atmosphere

            Chumley's on Bedford - an old speakeasy. Stick to the basic pub food.

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              Deb Van D RE: Bob Martinez Jul 12, 2006 08:50 PM

              Here's a link to RGR's classic crawl:

              http://www.chowhound.com/topics/show/...

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                RGR RE: Deb Van D Jul 12, 2006 09:37 PM

                Hey, Pupster, Bob and Deb, Thanks for mentioning my (in)famous tour and, Deb, for posting that link. However, since that post, in the name of accuracy, I have made some changes. Plus, I've just added Economy Candy. Here is the updated version:

                Lower East Side Food Excursion

                For the quintessential NYC deli experiences, no place beats Katz's, on the corner of Houston (pronounced "how-stun") & Ludlow Sts. You're there specifically for the pastrami sandwich. When you enter, you will be given a ticket. Instead of opting for table service, do what the "natives" do and get on line for counter service. When you reach the counter, put a $1 for each sandwich in the counterman's tip cup and order pastrami on rye. He'll give you a piece to taste. If you like it (the best pastrami is juicy and has some fat on it), tell him o.k., and he'll make your sandwich, give you some sour pickles, and punch your ticket. Then, continue along the counter for sides – the cole slaw is good -- and drinks. Find seats at a table in the center of the room. (Tables along the wall have menus on them and are reserved for waiter service.) When you’re done, take your ticket to the cashier in front. It's cash only. Note: For the purposes of this tour, unless you have a gargantuan appetite, it would be best to share one sandwich in order to leave room for more tastings along the way.

                When you exit Katz’s, turn left and continue along the same side of Houston St. You will come to Russ & Daughters, famous for all sorts of smoked fish and many other goodies. It's not a restaurant, but they make sandwiches to go.

                After leaving the Russes, continue west a couple of blocks until you reach Yonah Schimmel's. Get a tasty potato knish, and make sure to ask them to heat it up.

                Now it’s time for the quintessential NY drink – the egg cream. So, reverse yourself and head east on Houston until you come to Avenue A. (Note: Avenue A becomes Essex St. on the south side of Houston.) Turn left on A and head north until you get to the block between 7th St. and St. Mark’s Place. Look for a hole-in-the-wall candy shop, closer to 7th, with an overhead sign jutting into the street that says, “Belgian Fries.” (The place’s official name is Ray’s, but there is no signage to that effect.) One of the women behind the counter will make you a delicious chocolate egg cream.

                When you’re finished licking your lips, go back to Houston St. and make a left (east) one block to Norfolk St. Turn right and walk down Norfolk until it ends at Grand St. Two places to look for at the corner of Grand and Norfolk: Kossar's, for freshly baked bialys (another very NY food) and the Donut Plant (self-explanatory).

                Next, walking west along Grand St., you will come to Orchard St. Turn right. At 87 Orchard, snack on a pickle from Gus's World Famous Pickles.

                Then, continue to 97 Orchard, b/t Broome & Delancey, where you will find the Tenement Museum. The tour will show you what life was like for immigrants to NYC at the beginning of the 20th century. (www.tenement.org
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                Once you have finished the tour, Il Laboratorio del Gelato, right next door at 95 Orchard, is a must for some of the best gelato anywhere.

                If your sweet tooth is still not completely satisfied, the final stop on this tour should do it. Continue ahead (north) on Orchard, crossing Delancey, then one more block to Rivington St. Make a right and you will find Economy Candy at 145 Rivington.

                Enjoy and Bon Appetit!

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                  Deb Van D RE: RGR Jul 12, 2006 11:14 PM

                  Thanks for the update, ma'am, and I hope to link to the New and Improved version next time (but no promises). It's still a nice tramp.

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                    applehome RE: RGR Jul 18, 2006 09:46 PM

                    As long as you're on Delancey what's everybody's take on Sammy's Roumanian? This isn't something you're going to find outside of NYC. Skirt steaks that are folded over cause they're too long to fit on the big oval plate... The big chunk of ice with the vodka bottle frozen in it... Schmalz on the table in syrup containers... incredible chicken livers where they mix the grebenes and schmalz right at the table... sweetbreads done right... I know it's not everybody's thing, and it's actually pretty expensive - especially since it's really a dive. And I understand that there's another Roumanian place in town somewhere that's supposed to be really good. But you want to talk about quintessential lower east side... my grandfather had to be eating something like this (maybe on a really good day in the garment district...)!

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                      foodio RE: RGR Aug 22, 2006 05:18 PM

                      Great Post, I will definitely do the tour when I am in NYC this month. Thanks!!

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                    Pupster RE: Bob Martinez Jul 12, 2006 09:36 PM

                    You could do a whole thing just on NYC historic bars.

                    Gotta include Ear Inn, White Horse Tavern, Cedar Tavern.

                2. Davwud RE: rc50 Jul 12, 2006 09:12 PM

                  I also wanna go to Jacques Torres Chocolate.

                  Major chocoholic
                  DT

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                    was_bk RE: Davwud Jul 13, 2006 12:29 AM

                    The 1st (and last) stop on the chocolate shop tour should be Kee's Chocolates in Soho.

                    fyi, this board is full of many posts rightfully singing her praises.

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                      chocokitty RE: was_bk Jul 13, 2006 12:47 AM

                      Ditto to both places. They're rightfully great chocolate shops in NYC.

                      Honestly, NYC is becoming a chocolate city, if you get my drift. There's the premier chocolates from France (e.g. La Maison du Chocolat, Richart, Michel Cluzeil), Switzerland (Teucher), etc. and the rise of local chocolatiers (Kee's). NYC is becoming a microcosm of the world's (expensive) chocolate. But it's oh so good for the chocoholic.

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                        RCC RE: chocokitty Jul 18, 2006 09:50 PM

                        I'd include the Pierre Marcolini (from Belgium) store on Park and 58th.

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                          Peter Cuce RE: RCC Jul 19, 2006 11:21 AM

                          I had no idea Pierre Marcolini had a store in NYC! I went to the one in Tokyo a couple of years ago and found it to be amazing (posted about it). Does the one here sell anything besides chocolate? The one in Tokyo had ice cream, and a small cafe that sold hot chocolate and ice cream sundaes.

                  2. Brian S RE: rc50 Jul 19, 2006 04:21 PM

                    You say you want to experience the flavor of New York. Well, the places above dish it out. But the flavor of New York is also Chinese, and Puerto Rican, and Senegalese, and Colombian, and Greek, Pakistani, Lebanese and a thousand more. You should try those too. To do otherwise would be like me going to Hawaii, where you live, and demanding only luaus, or only food of the sort eaten by American residents in the 1890s, ignoring Filipino, Japanese etc. (Actually if I ever did go to Hawaii, I'd want to try one of those traditional lunches on a plate that mix chop suey and mac and cheese)

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                      Bob Martinez RE: Brian S Jul 19, 2006 07:20 PM

                      All true, but in defense of the OP their post actually had focus - old New York places. That distinguished this thread from five thousand other "6 Chowhounds from Akron - Where to Eat?!?!?" threads. Forcing this one to fit that mold seems sort of unwelcoming. Besides, if you're only in NY for 5 days (as the OP said) it's sort of interesting to eat in places that have good food and plenty of history. (A Luger's suggestion would fit right in.)

                      Maybe next time they can come back and ask for the best ethnic restaurants in 3 or 4 categories. Of course if they do rest assured somebody will recommend Buddakhan and another will recommend their favorite burger place. CH is like that.

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                      curranthound RE: rc50 Aug 22, 2006 08:52 PM

                      I wouldn't forget old time New York steakhouses. In Manhattan, the original Palm is my favorite. Peter Luger in Brooklyn is wonderful, but you need to make reservations well in advance for dinner.

                      Grimaldi's Pizza, on Fulton Street, in Brooklyn, just across the Brooklyn Bridge. (Walking across the bridge and eating there makes a most pleasant outing.)

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                        Nice Jewish Boy RE: rc50 Oct 31, 2006 05:10 AM

                        Let's see...Sammy's is a cross between a Roman orgy and a quiet dinner out with the family. OK, scratch the quiet dinner part. I have seen a lot of food and I have eaten at many places in my life...but Sammy's is like nothing you have ever been to, in not only your life but a couple of your friends and a few of their friend's lives. From the Vodka frozen a block of ice to the egg creams and even the 'stint' you will have implanted in your main artery after you leave...nothing compares to the food, atmosphere and pure celebration of night at Sammy's. To this day, I can burb and still taste what I had for dinner five years ago. If you have never been there...don't go as it will leave more for the rest of us. Hell it will leave more for 3/4 of the world's population. OK, go and experience what a meal at Sammy's is like. Bring your appetite, a hand cart and a few friends to wheel you out when you're finished. Out of 5 stars, I give Sammy's 6, and a great after dinner burp.

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