Tracking people should be more private
With regard to the "People Tracking Me" and "People I am Tracking" feature in my Chow, I would like to suggest that these are not made viewable to the general public. One of the nice things about Chowhound has always been the range of people that participate and the variety of subjects that such a range of people tend to generate.
If the tracking parameters are left public, I'm afraid this could open the door for pettiness and sore feelings. Chowhound is too valuable a resource and too rich a community to let feelings of jealousy and contempt creep in. Unfortunately, this is what I see developing if such a popularity contest is allowed to develop through the publicly displayed tracking parameters in my Chow.
I agree with you on this and have mentioned in other posts I didn't want the 'People I'm tracking' part made public.
My concern is that people might feel snubbed if I don't track them. I value EVERYONE on this board, but I don't find the tracking section useful.
I never thought about keeping the section 'People tracking Me' private. But I think you are right. If someone has one person tracking them and sees others have a huge list, they might feel no one cares if they attend the party.
It is one of the reasons I am THRILLED ... THRILLED ... that there is no counter showing how many people read posts.
On other sites you will see topics where hundreds of people read a thread while others have few hits.
It makes certain topics popular and by extention, the person who started the topic someone people pay attention to. It should be about the food and nothing else.
Also, if someone new posts and sees nobody even reads their post they might not make that second post that would be wildly popular. Also they might feel that to get read you have to be part of the in group.
Some information should not be visible IMO. Perhaps who is tracking a poster should only be visible to the poster for the reason you mentioned.
Yes, I agree w/ the posts so far. Tracking info should be kept private. I kinda assumed that it would be (w/ people who I'm tracking only visible to me), but was surprised to learn that I could see who was tracking me and others. It does feel a little strange, and I could see how this could lead to hurt feelings and/or social pressures for a number of reasons.
To elaborate on my own personal neuroses around this:
1. I see who's tracking me and then feel a little guilty if I don't reciprocate by tracking them.
2. I have decided that I want to be more selective in who I'm tracking (no need to track visible regulars), but don't want them to feel bad if I delete them from my list.
3. I do get a kick out of seeing who's tracking me, but then I start to feel pressure to post something interesting besides site talk issues. This is distracting and stupid, I know...
4. I get some thrill out of seeing how long Melanie's list will grow. :-)
I could maybe list one or two more, but that's enough neurotic exposure for now. Bottom line is that I can be more focused in my chow sharing and purpose here if I don't get bogged down in virtual social politics. I also think that newcomers will feel more welcome w/o this feature.
re: Carb Lover
1. As I said above ... me too. I've been explaining why I'm not tracking anyone except to test out the feature.
2. I was going to feign hurt for your not tracking me, but you are. Delete me, I won't feel bad.
3. *** see note. But one quick comment, I've been surprised by some of the people tracking me. I didn't think they knew I existed.
4. Yeah, there are a few people like that. And just to re-iterate the popularity game ... there a few people I'm surprised are not being tracked more heavily.
*** Let me preface this to the Chowhound Team that this is not being said with disrespect or criticism. At this point I would hope you all consider running for public office. If our elected officials implemented things and as well as you folks, in a timely manner and were as responsive to the big issues, we'd be a super duper power. Chowhound Team for president.
THAT BEING SAID ...
I can't imagine that anyone is using this feature. Come on ... fess up ... is anyone using this regularily ... well three days worth of regularily ... and why?
However, I started to get that same panic attack about just Site stuff showing up on my page. Really it freaked me out a few days ago and I stayed up late reading and responding to San Francisco posts just to get those damn site talk posts off my "MY Chow' screen.
Then I realized how that feature works ... not like you would suspect ... and I figured screw it. Besides, everyone is new. We need Site talk at this point to get us up and running. I've finally cleared things up so I'm back to the SF board and even posted on the General Board ... hmmm ... gotta go back and see what's going on with that.
So, Carb Lover, don't feel pressured to do anything extra. Don't go changing, just to please me. I love you just the way you are.
Likewise, rworange! I liberated myself and "x"'d you from my list; it felt good. :-)
Just a moment ago, I was thinking to myself, "do you really use this tracking??!!" I sorta do just to "check in" to see how active a person has been lately, but rarely do I read all of their posts listed. Maybe just a couple, if that. I kinda feel like the tracking defeats the purpose of CH...to hear from a broad audience who I may not be that familiar with.
I'm sure that I'll settle into some purpose and use for it and will be glad to have it as an option, but for now, I think the public tracking record could be "x"'d.
I certainly don't use it in any significant way. After all, if I want to see what a poster is up to, I can just click on their name in any of their posts, and go to what appears to me to be the same information I get if I click on them in tracking...where I could see myself using it is if I run across a poster who I dont know well on a board I don't visit much, and I bookmark them so that I can check in on them in the future. but so far, that hasn't happened, and I am only tracking posters I know. (most of them I've actually met!).
I do find myself peaking to see who is tracking me, so yes, I agree it does have some uncomfortable aspects that others have mentioned. For example, if I have noticed that rw is tracking Carb Lover but not tracking me, it could lead to bad feelings...(Just an example, rw, don't worry!).
It also reinforces the concept that there are CH 'insiders' which might make some folks shy about responding. A lurker who thinks that Melanie has missed the boat in a post (well, it could happen, I suppose. Again, just a hypothetical example :-)) might be shy about appearing to disagree with her given her really, really long list,and then we'd all miss out on that other hound's opinion...
Your last paragraph is another thing about seeing other posters tracking lists. When I was new I still remember disagreeing with Limster about some chocolate. I was really sweating disagreeing with him because he was a frequent poster (and someone whose posts I really respected). I also felt most people would agree with him and jump on my opposing point of view. He was really great about it, of course. However, it was still difficult to do that post.
I like that the new software doesn't make people stand out like the old one did. The same names are not prominenetly displayed over and over. It lets you focus on the food chat more. A new poster is not going to pick out the frequent posters until they have been on the site for a while and get to know the community.
So yes, that last is true too. It is one of the few ways someone can easily see who has a large presence in the community and it might make them reluctant to post ... and that might be the person who would have info on a downhill report on Santa ramen, for example.
They might not realize that Melanie would be the type of poster who would be interested in that info and encourange them rather than someone who would be argumentative with the rest of the community chiming in. Happens on other forums.
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I mentioned this in another thread, but I'll also add my vote here against tracking being visible to third parties. Ideally, I would like to be the only person to know whom I'm tracking, though it's probably fair enough that the trackee also know I am tracking them. However, it is NOBODY ELSE'S BUSINESS whom I am tracking and who is tracking me, IMHO.
Oh, I did not know that. Meaning I did not know that the list of people we track is private.
Well then, that is good. And thank you.
But you still need to go further. While the tracking feature is really neat and opens up a range of possibilities, no part of it needs to be viewable to the public for it to serve its primary function.
Really. Thanks for giving us the ability to track users. I love that. And I look forward to using it in the future.
However, with respect to the issue of each user's list of "trackees" made available for public viewing, I would like to reiterate my original point that by leaving tracking parameters viewable to the public, you open the door for pettiness and sore feelings among the more sensitive members of the chow contingent among us. And that could lead to reduced participation (and even lost membership, in the most extreme cases).
And that would be a travesty. Because the strength of Chowhound lies in the richness of its community.
So if you would, please consider the length that some of your users will go to when they feel that their privacy is being unfairly infringed upon. And weigh it against the relative worth that is gained by displaying each user's list of trackees for public view.
Thanks for listening.
To the CH Engineering, I think you missed part of the point. I'm glad people can't see who I'm tracking, but I (and I think the others) also don't want others to see who is tracking me. I don't want to see who is tracking Carb Lover. I might develop a neurosis and compare my list to Carb Lover's and feel bad I'm not as popular as she. I might compare rworange's list to Melanie's list and decide who should be my friend based on the length of their list.
I'm mostly being tongue in cheek here; I haven't a clue how long CL's, rworange's, or Melanie's list are, but now I can't wait to go look. But I shouldn't go look, because why waste time on petty things when there are tons of posts I still need to read? Bottom line is, it should be all about the Chow. Like CL said. No wonder she's more popular than me. ;-)