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Hershey Bomar Apr 28, 2006 02:47 PM

Everyone knows what a beer gut looks like.

Everyone jokes about beer making you fat.

I don’t see the logic in this. And I want to know if there is any truth in the belief that beer makes you fat.

I’m happy drinking light beer. I’m happy with low carb beer. A few a week. But I’m currently trying to lose weight and the few beers make me feel guilty. Feeling guilty about something so trivial makes me feel like a wussy so I’d like to learn the truth.

What I kind of assume. NO beer doesn’t make you fat. Men easily gain weight in their gut. Maybe the gut is the first place men gain weight. The kind of men who drink beer enjoy snacking with their beer. Beer makes you impulsive and you snack more.

Beer is a scapegoat.

What do you think?

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    Timowitz RE: Hershey Bomar Apr 28, 2006 03:02 PM

    Beer has calories. If you consume enough beer and you don't exercise to work off the calories, you will put on weight.

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      MM RE: Timowitz Apr 28, 2006 03:12 PM

      It really is as simple as this. Extra calories = extra pounds whether it comes from beer, chocolate cake, apples or bananas.

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        foodie RE: MM May 5, 2006 05:40 PM

        oh, but I'd be so much hapier getting fat from beer and chips than apples or bananas:)

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      CulinaryKate RE: Hershey Bomar Apr 28, 2006 03:40 PM

      The Carbohydrates in beer are very easy to digest and spike your blood sugar up, which will inturn, make you want to eat more, which will in turn, make you fat. I have lost about 30 pounds since last august, and pretty much cut beer out of the picture completely. I also cut out flours that aren't 100% whole grain, and sugar, so I made a pretty significan dietary change. Beer also makes me insanely gassy, which makes me feel fatter to begin with. My appreciation for wine has increased exponentially too, which I always think is cool..

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        Ruth Lafler RE: CulinaryKate Apr 28, 2006 04:51 PM

        Right. Unlike wine or spirits, beer has significant calories both from carbs and from alcohol (carbs have four calories per gram; alcohol has seven calories per gram). Most spirits have almost no carbs; dry table wines have very few carbs. Unlike other calorie sources (carbs, proteins, fats), your body can't store alcohol calories by turning them into fat, so it burns the calories from the alcohol preferentially, which leaves any excess calories in the form of carbs to be turned into fat. Which is why people who drink a lot but also eat well tend to be fat, but down-and-out alcoholics are thin -- they're getting most of their calories from alcohol they can't convert to fat.

        And like you said, you tend to munch salty snacks with beer, which make you drink more beer -- that's why bars serve salty snacks! -- so you get into a cycle of overconsumption of calories.

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          FrankD RE: Ruth Lafler Sep 11, 2010 09:04 PM

          "Which is why people who drink a lot but also eat well tend to be fat, but down-and-out alcoholics are thin -- they're getting most of their calories from alcohol they can't convert to fat."

          New life goal - to be a fat alcoholic.

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            Chemicalkinetics RE: FrankD Sep 11, 2010 09:14 PM

            Are you going to make a "super beer me" movie? (as in Super Size Me)

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              onceadaylily RE: Chemicalkinetics Sep 12, 2010 10:37 AM

              There's already a Super High Me. A third installment, dealing in alcohol, would not be out of place at all.

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                Chemicalkinetics RE: onceadaylily Sep 12, 2010 11:23 AM

                Oh, my. You are correct. Now, that you mentioned it, my friends did tell me about that movie. Thanks for the information.

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                  FrankD RE: onceadaylily Sep 13, 2010 06:47 PM

                  Yeah, I saw that movie. It was real good. It reminded me of... of...

                  hey, anyone got cheetos?

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                    onceadaylily RE: FrankD Sep 14, 2010 09:14 AM

                    Dude . . . we should start making our *own* cheetos. We'd toooootally get rich.

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                      nvcook RE: onceadaylily Nov 21, 2010 09:25 PM

                      and along these lines - "does alcohol make you fat? No, it makes you lean, on walls, chairs and random ugly people."

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                        ZenSojourner RE: nvcook Nov 22, 2010 09:00 AM

                        ROFLMAO!

                        Soo soo glad, once again, not to be drinking anything while reading here . . .

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              jgg13 RE: Ruth Lafler Sep 13, 2010 08:00 AM

              "your body can't store alcohol calories by turning them into fat"

              Cite?

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                meatnveg RE: jgg13 Nov 20, 2010 04:10 PM

                -half-way down this page: http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/nutr...

                And here: http://www.elmhurst.edu/~chm/vchemboo...

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                  jgg13 RE: meatnveg Nov 21, 2010 05:20 AM

                  I meant something that one would find on pubmed, but ...

                  I don't think either of those specifically says what you think they're saying. Anyways, the topic is still not really understood, which is why I wanted something a little bit more scientific as a cite - too often these things end up like a game of telephone.

                  I can't pull the full article until I'm back at work (well, I can, but I can't do it for free), but the abstract on this sums up my knowledge of the topic fairly well - in that it looks like "yes, something weird goes on" (which is addressed best by your second link) but no one really knows exactly what it is, and it does still appear as if body fat is created by alcohol calories.

                  http://informahealthcare.com/doi/abs/...

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                    mateo21 RE: jgg13 Nov 21, 2010 11:16 AM

                    I would agree with jgg13 here. I don't think those cited sources are saying what you think they are saying. Thus, in the end, alcohol still results in excess caloric intake (or can) which is converted like other energy forms within the body.

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                      meatnveg RE: mateo21 Nov 24, 2010 05:10 PM

                      I think I wasnt clear...the implications in an caloric surplus are simply that, more food gets stored as fat because the body prioritizes the oxidation of alcohol.

                      The alcohol itself doesnot get stored as fat, rather it causes other macro nutrients to get stored.

                      PubMed:
                      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11...

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                        jgg13 RE: meatnveg Nov 24, 2010 09:22 PM

                        That article is one of the ones I was thinking of when I said that the notion is that "something is going on", but the exact mechanisms aren't quite understood. Outside of mice and things like that I don't believe it's been shown that alcohol is literally not convertible into adipose.

                        In fact my original understanding was that ETOH was a double whammy in that excess Kcal are stored as fat but that due to the preferential handling of ETOH, other Kcal are preferentially stored as adipose. Now that I type that out though, it smells like an urban legend so FWIW

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                          ZenSojourner RE: jgg13 Nov 25, 2010 02:16 AM

                          Yipes!

                          I think we know that excess calories are behind weight gain.

                          In order to stop that and perhaps even reverse it, excess calories need to be eliminated. Exercise is one way to increase the use of calories, but usually that by itself is not enough.

                          So the first candidate for elimination should be empty calories. Get rid of candy and pop. Cut down on Big Macs. If that's not enough, unfortunately wine and beer (and other booze) ARE very very empty calories and need to go.

                          Yes, beer can make you fat. I don't see that it matters exactly HOW. It does, just as too much pop, cake, greasy food, wherever the excess calories are coming from. What order you choose to eliminate them is up to you, but if weight loss is the goal, or even stopping weight gain, eliminate them you must.

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            Das Ubergeek RE: Hershey Bomar Apr 28, 2006 04:46 PM

            Yes, beer makes you fat. So does cheese. So does meat. So does lettuce, eaten in significant enough quantity with no exercise.

            The one thing that makes beer worse for you weight-wise than other liquors is that it's comparatively light in alcohol, so if you're drinking to get tipsy and it takes, say, four drinks to get you there:

            4 shots of vodka (neat, 42 mL each): 388 kcal
            4 glasses of wine (red, 150 mL each): 420 kcal
            4 bottles of beer (lager, 355 mL each): 468 kcal

            That's an extra 80 calories right there over "white" liquor. Now, on the other hand, if you drink four jiggers of vodka you won't be "full" -- but if you drink four beers you probably will be!

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              Bob Martinez RE: Das Ubergeek Apr 28, 2006 05:07 PM

              "4 shots of vodka (neat, 42 mL each): 388 kcal
              4 glasses of wine (red, 150 mL each): 420 kcal
              4 bottles of beer (lager, 355 mL each): 468 kcal
              That's an extra 80 calories right there over "white" liquor."

              Nice to see real facts instead of speculation. Actually, an extra 80 calories on 4 bottles of beer, or an extra 160 if you double up watching football on Sunday, isn't going to make all that much of a difference. People like to focus on some things while ignoring all the other calories they consume. "It's not all the Big Macs and Twinkies that made me fat, it was that nasty beer."

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                JojoA RE: Bob Martinez Apr 28, 2006 05:25 PM

                That's it exactly. Extra calories will put on the weight no matter what the source.

                With that said, if you'd like to keep the fat off, a good place to start would be something that makes up a larger portion of your calorie intake. White rice made up a fairly large portion of my calorie intake; thus, I've severely cut down on the amount of rice I consume in my diet.

                Likewise, if you're the type to consume two beers a day after work daily and you need to watch the pounds, switching to lite beer or cutting back on the total number of beers would be a good starting point.

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                  fatty RE: JojoA May 21, 2006 07:09 AM

                  saying 'beer makes you fat' is like saying 'orange juice makes you fat' only juice has more calories! over eating drinking + no exercise makes you fat

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                  Das Ubergeek RE: Bob Martinez Apr 28, 2006 07:23 PM

                  As Alton Brown said, "There are no bad foods, only bad food habits."

                  Back when my old roommate was a trainer, he made people keep food diaries. You'd be shocked how quickly those little 60-calorie pudding cups and non-fat lattes and quick few pretzels add up to 1,000 calories a day of total non-nutritive crap. Or the people who say, "But I don't eat between meals!" No, but you eat a Big Mac and super-size fries and a regular Coke for lunch and then go home and have a huge dinner at 8 PM and then go to bed right after.

                  I personally am convinced that the obesity problems in this country can be traced to three sources: 1) shockingly large portions, especially in restaurants; 2) the availability of food everywhere and at any time -- offices are horrible places for overweight folks; 3) soda and other sugary drinks -- you don't necessarily think about the 375 calories in that "medium" Coke from 7-Eleven you're drinking.

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                    danna RE: Das Ubergeek May 1, 2006 04:35 PM

                    I agree w/ everything you said except I dispute that non-fat latte is non-nutritive crap. It is essentially flavored skim milk. How is skim milk crap? Calcium and protein, two things I have to concentrate to get in my diet.

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                    Niki Rothman RE: Bob Martinez Apr 28, 2006 07:31 PM

                    Weeellll...Denial isn't just a river in Egypt either. Oh no, "...it's not the beer, it's the twinkies and the Big Macs." Bean counting the difference in calories between one kind of likker and another, or between vintage wines and twinkies is making a distinction without a difference. Vintage wine will make you gain weight just as fast as rot-gut wine. Bottom line: It IS the booze. What it's NOT are the fruits, vegetables, whole grains and lean proteins. Prepared deliciously of course!

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                      thew RE: Niki Rothman Sep 11, 2010 11:03 AM

                      yes - it is the fruits and veggies and whole grains AND the booze and everything else you eat.

                      eat more calories than you burn - weight goes up.
                      eat fewer calories than you burn and it goes down

                      period

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                    Jim Dorsch RE: Das Ubergeek Apr 28, 2006 10:21 PM

                    There's a certain likelihood that the vodka will be mixed with something that is highly caloric, or if you're at a bar, the bartender will add more than a standard shot to the drink. Way too much variability to come to a conclusion. And let's not forget the snacks that often accompany drinks.

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                      ozzyfan232 RE: Das Ubergeek Sep 8, 2010 08:44 PM

                      actually your body uses more calories to digest lettuce than are actually in lettuce. Lettuce does nothing to insulin either, making lettuce completely safe to eat as much as you want of it.

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                        ZenSojourner RE: ozzyfan232 Nov 21, 2010 09:55 AM

                        Myth.

                        http://www.answerfitness.com/269/nega...

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                      Jonathan Saw RE: Hershey Bomar Apr 28, 2006 05:40 PM

                      I'm a happy medium guy. No need to cut out the beer, but you have to pay for it by working out more. Less beer, less working out.

                      Though I find a lot of people tend to break the deals the make with themselves on this score.

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                        Niki Rothman RE: Hershey Bomar Apr 28, 2006 06:42 PM

                        How to lose weight: cut out the empty calories.
                        The body converts empty calories straight to fat. Alcohol is metabolized faster than anything else you swallow. Alcohol turns to fat faster than anything else. Alcohol is the MOST empty calorie.
                        How to lose weight: cut out empty calories.

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                          Arbuckle RE: Hershey Bomar Apr 28, 2006 06:43 PM

                          You left out the "r" in the subject, in which case the answer is simply "You bet!".

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                            JBC RE: Hershey Bomar Apr 28, 2006 06:43 PM

                            All this discussion is making me Beer thirsty and ready to pop down to the local pub for a pint or two. Beer, it has been said, is nothing more than liquid bread, and like bread a general rule of thumb is "the darker it is the better it is for you". After all, isn't their slogan something like "Drink Guinness it's Good for you"?

                            Today however, I'll be a good boy and walk instead of drive to the nearest Guinness filling station.

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                              toodie jane RE: Hershey Bomar Apr 28, 2006 08:51 PM

                              My husband, a beer drinker, had surgery this fall. He had to cut back his brews to almost nothing per dr's orders. His big belly shrunk in just a few weeks to a shadow of its former size. The weight melted off daily! He bought a scale he was so proud of his weight loss.

                              He is now back to beer, but at about 1/2 the ration he was drinking. He has gained back most of the weight and his tummy has all but returned. He does not snack.
                              He doesn't eat dessert if I offer.

                              It's those empty carbohydrates.

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                                JojoA RE: toodie jane Apr 28, 2006 11:03 PM

                                It's amazing what you can find out on the internet - quite an interesting topic.

                                For most beers, it's not really empty carbohydrates but rather empty calories. The highest amount I saw on a list at beer100.com was 24 grams (per 12 oz. serving) for a Sam Adams Cream Stout, which is roughly the same amount you'd get with a chocolate Balance Energy Bar (22 grams.)

                                But with the energy bar, at least you get vitamins and minerals and stuff - you'd get nothing nutritional with the beer. Plus, alcohol itself is a fairly dense form of energy at about 7 calories/gram (by contrast, protein and carbs rate at 4 cal/gram and fat at 9 cal/gram.)

                                Also, beer is considered a low glycemic food, which is opposite what you see in some diet guides (there's a whole big to do about whether there's maltose in the finished beer product or not, but that seems to be a whole other issue.) The American Diabetes Association website itself states that glucose blood levels drop when alcohol is consumed since the liver stops production of glucose to concentrate on getting rid of the alcohol in the bloodstream. The ADA recommends to diabetics to avoid alcohol on an empty stomach and limit your drinks to one a day if you're a woman and two a day if you're a man.

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                                  rl RE: JojoA May 1, 2006 11:53 AM

                                  "But with the energy bar, at least you get vitamins and minerals and stuff - you'd get nothing nutritional with the beer."

                                  Not true, but the gov't wants you to be ignorant when it comes to beer nutrition. Bert Grant fought with the BATF when he tried to print nutritional information on beer labels.

                                  From this an article that was originally in the Washington Libertarian on 11/93:

                                  http://www.atfabuse.com/atfabuse-16.html

                                  "ATF didn't want Americans to know that a 12 oz. bottle of Grant's Scottish Ale contains 145 calories, 2.24 grams of protein, 12.7 grams of carbohydrates, 0 fat, 0 cholesterol, 75 milligrams of sodium and 195 milligrams of potassium.

                                  The people, ATF determined, must never learn that the great Scottish Ale contains 170% of the Recommended Daily Allowance (RDA) of vitamin B-12, 62.5% of the RDA for folic acid, 14.6% of niacin, and 13.6% of vitamin B-6.

                                  The information is true. But that wasn't the point. ATF is a nasty-tempered bureaucracy.

                                  "All therapeutic claims, regardless of truthfulness, are inherently misleading and particularly deceptive," ATF figures. "

                                  It's very interesting what happens when you go against the wishes of the US gov't. (see link below
                                  )

                                  Link: http://www.mega.nu:8080/batf/croaker/...

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                                    JojoA RE: rl May 2, 2006 02:39 PM

                                    Point taken about beer having some nutritional value. I was reading some of the same stuff on the internet about beer labeling and the like, and if they want to put that information on the label, I don't have a problem with that.

                                    But then again, if I'm going to drink beer, I'm not doing it to improve my nutritional lot in life.

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                                N Tocus RE: Hershey Bomar Apr 28, 2006 11:18 PM

                                If you google FNIC (Food and Nutrition Information Center) then go to Food Composition then to Searchable Database then to Beer, you will learn that a can of regular beer has 153 calories and 12.64 grams of carbohydrate, not a huge amount. So the answer would seem to be, depends how much you drink (multiply by four cans of beer and the numbers become significant, 612 and 50.56). Your body breaks carbohydrate down into sugar. First claim on it goes for immediate energy needs. If there's more sugar than you need for energy, some is stored in liver and other tissues for future energy needs. If still more sugar is available, the body turns it to triglycerides and stores it as fat. Since the belly is geographically close to where this process happens, excess sugar often gets stored as belly fat.

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                                  jen RE: Hershey Bomar Apr 30, 2006 11:20 AM

                                  I don't think the beer makes you fat. But when I drink beer or wine, it makes me want to eat! Chalk it up to lowered inhibitions. Beer whets the appetite and makes me want to reach for all the unhealthy delicious foods that I know I shouldn't eat - wings, potato skins, fries, chips. There is nothing like an ice cold beer, football, and junk food.

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                                    RealMenJulienne RE: jen Sep 9, 2010 08:02 PM

                                    I don't know about the science of it, but I feel like I've lost a lot of weight by drinking a beer with dinner for most of this past summer. It seems to do three things:

                                    1) The slight feeling of intoxication makes me want to stop eating, not eat more.
                                    2) The carbonation fills me up and I eat less as a result.
                                    3) I fall asleep sooner, so I don't stay up late and eat random crap.

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                                    jester99 RE: Hershey Bomar Sep 9, 2010 09:38 AM

                                    As a person that lost a massive amount of weight and currently keeping it off, beer and alcohol will make you fat without proper diet and exersise and pretty much destroy any diet attempts.

                                    Also when drinking any alcoholic beverages, people tend to eat crappier/drunk food which aint good for you.

                                    So if your trying to lose weight, suck it up and cut out the beer. Expend more calories than you are consuming and you will lose weight. It is pretty much the basic weight loss principle.

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                                      dmckean RE: jester99 Sep 9, 2010 09:27 PM

                                      I just lost 40 lbs this year and never gave up beer. If you watch your total calories and keep up with your exercise you'll lose weight regardless.

                                      I have to say though it's rough waking up after a night of drinking and eating a Lara Bar and not a proper breakfast.

                                    2. jgg13 RE: Hershey Bomar Sep 9, 2010 12:20 PM

                                      As others have stated, it contains calories and we can't defy the laws of thermodynamics. If you increase your energy in, you must increase your energy out or you'll gain body mass.

                                      Also, two little tidbits I remember seeing several years ago - don't know if it's still considered to be true and/or the source was dodgier than I should be trusting, but fwiw ...

                                      - drinking alcohol increases one's estrogen levels, and increased estrogen levels correspond to body mass gains preferentially showing up as bodyfat
                                      - while the body is processing alcohol (as in, getting rid of it due to being a poison) excess calories are preferentially stored as fat (normally excess calories creates increased body *mass* which isn't necessarily body fat).

                                      The second one seems a little dodgier to me, but they both might well be true.

                                      1. steakman55 RE: Hershey Bomar Sep 11, 2010 10:46 AM

                                        NO!! It has been scientifically proven that beer does not make one fat, but only if it is drunk in conjunction with one of the following:
                                        large pepperoni and sausage double cheese pizza
                                        bacon cheeseburger with fries
                                        32 oz. ribeye and salad with blue cheese and baked potato with sour cream.
                                        Otherwise, yes, it will make one slightly overweight but not morbidly obese.

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                                          jeanmarieok RE: Hershey Bomar Sep 11, 2010 06:59 PM

                                          My personal experience. I drank 1 - 2 beers per day for about 5 years, and I put on 15 lbs (obviously not all of this was from beer). I cut out beer, substituting a glass of wine instead - probably a glass and a half every day. Dropped 10 lbs over 7 months without changing anything else, no more exercise, no diet change. So, for me, beer is worse than a glass of wine.

                                          1. Chemicalkinetics RE: Hershey Bomar Sep 11, 2010 07:02 PM

                                            I went to large seminar (500-1000 people) and the presenter, our honorary guest, basically said no in this seminar, but then he is a beer researcher, so he is probably biased too.

                                            The presenter basically said what steakman said. It is difficult for beer alone to make you fat. However, the kind of people who drink beer tend to have a different diet than people who drink wine. Who do you think it is more likely to consume deep fried twinkie, the person who drink Budweiser or the person who drink French wine? Correlation is different from cause and effect.

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                                              MVNYC RE: Chemicalkinetics Sep 11, 2010 09:15 PM

                                              Sorry but your analogy does not quite make sense. Budweiser and good wine are not correlates. Nor do a well made craft ale and Carlo Rossi. Stereotyping people based on their drinks really does not quite make sense.

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                                                Chemicalkinetics RE: MVNYC Sep 11, 2010 09:48 PM

                                                "Stereotyping people based on their drinks really does not quite make sense."

                                                There is a difference between stereotyping and classifying. We were in a scientific conference, and the presenter was trying to have an intelligent discussion about the explanations for beer drinkers and wine drinkers having different health profiles. Thus, a discussion between "cause vs correlation". Are you saying that he could not rise the possibility that beer drinkers and wine drinkers correlate to different lifestyles?

                                                You basically said that every differences we see in life can only be assigned to "cause", and we can never discuss "correlation" because that will be stereotyping. Seriously?

                                                Here is a journal from the BMJ about beer drinkers and wine drinkers correlate to different life styles. In the discussion section, it states:

                                                'This study indicates that people who buy (and presumably drink) wine purchase a greater number of healthy food items than those who buy beer. Wine buyers bought more olives, fruit or vegetables, poultry, cooking oil, and low fat products than people who bought beer. Beer buyers bought more ready cooked dishes, sugar, cold cuts, chips, pork, butter, sausages, lamb, and soft drinks than people who bought wine. Wine buyers were more likely to buy Mediterranean food items, whereas beer buyers tended to buy traditional food items.'

                                                Stereotyping to you?

                                                http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id...

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                                                  MVNYC RE: Chemicalkinetics Sep 11, 2010 11:00 PM

                                                  Stereotyping means equating a beer drinker as a low class Budweiser fan as opposed to a wine drinker as a French wine fan sophisticate. Fairly simple. Just doesn't work like that. I can also tell you that someone drunk on anything is more likely to indulge in food products they wouldn't if they were sober. No need for an ABC news report for that. .

                                                  There is a larger discussion on what stereotyping means but that probably doesn't belong on this website.

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                                                    Chemicalkinetics RE: MVNYC Sep 11, 2010 11:24 PM

                                                    I didn't not equate all beer drinkers to drinking Bud, nor did I equating all wine drinkers to drinking French wine. Those are examples. The actual statement hold true nevertheless. A person who drinks Bud will likely to have a less healthy diet than a person who drinks French wine. You can put whatever brands you like. Consider that Bud Lite and Budweiser are the two most popular beers in US (Miller Lite and Coors Lite come next). It is not a bad choice. If you don't like French wine, we can add Calif wine. What is stereotyping to say a Budweiser drinker as low and a French wine fan as sophisticate, which I have never said or believe. For your information, I drink regular Bud often and have never bought French wine, I certainly don't consider myself as low.

                                                    You completely missed the point. ABC did not report "someone drunk on anything is more likely to indulge in food products they wouldn't if they were sober". The whole point is that beer and wine do not "cause" overeating, rather they "correlate" to a certain diet. You need to read more carefully.

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                                                      MVNYC RE: Chemicalkinetics Sep 11, 2010 11:43 PM

                                                      Actually you missed my point. The study itself is flawed. There are other issues other than the choice of beverage that determines one's lifestyle decisions. That is the reason I chose to discuss your Budweiser analogy. Today's craft beer market consumer is a different demographic than the average macro brew version.

                                                      Also not sure if you have ever been drunk before or not but no matter the choice of poison you are more likely to eat a 2 am cheese steak than if you were sober and in bed.

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                                                        Chemicalkinetics RE: MVNYC Sep 12, 2010 12:16 AM

                                                        "Actually you missed my point. The study itself is flawed. There are other issues other than the choice of beverage that determines one's lifestyle"

                                                        I am not sure what point I missed because the article didn't say those things. The article, in fact, suggests the choice of beverage does NOT determine one's lifestyle. It correlates, not determines. ("determine" seems to suggest a "direct cause")

                                                        The study follows 3.5 millions transactions in 98 supermarkets. The transactions show what items are bought together. Basically, it is looking at everyone's recipes. Beers are often bought with certain foods and wine are bought with other certain foods.

                                                        The data are the data. There is nothing obviously flawed about the study. Now, different people may interpret them differently.

                                                        Look, the big picture is this. On average, beer drinkers and wine drinkers are known to belong to different health profiles. There are two possibilities. Either the beverages "cause" this difference and determine the outcome, or the beverages "correlate (without cause)" to the difference. The study shows that beer buyers purchase different foods than wine buyers. Consequently, it is likely that these other foods cause the different health profiles, and not the beverages themselves.

                                                        Yes, a person who are drunk and stay up will likely to eat an extra meal. However, this article is not discussing extra meals. It is following purchase patterns -- before the whole getting drunk thing.

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                                                          cowboyardee RE: Chemicalkinetics Sep 12, 2010 05:58 AM

                                                          Also, I would think (I'm speculating, btw) that in the US wine drinkers would generally have a healthier diet/lifestyle than beer drinkers just because of the wealth of reports in popular media about wine being healthy and beer being unhealthy. Regardless of the truth of said reports, wine is generally perceived as healthier and thus people who are more interested in being healthy are also more likely to drink it.

                                                          I'm sure there are many exceptions and many people like me who drink both, but as a trend, I'd bet that's the case.

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                                                            Chemicalkinetics RE: cowboyardee Sep 12, 2010 08:17 AM

                                                            Right. The "chicken or the egg" thing. Wine induces good health vs healthy diet induces wine consumption. :)

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                                                            MVNYC RE: Chemicalkinetics Sep 12, 2010 05:43 PM

                                                            "However, the kind of people who drink beer tend to have a different diet than people who drink wine. Who do you think it is more likely to consume deep fried twinkie, the person who drink Budweiser or the person who drink French wine? Correlation is different from cause and effect"

                                                            This is the main point here. No matter what study you may cite this type of statement is insulting to a wide segment of the population. You also did not address my point that the typical macro brew customer probably has a different diet than the craft brew consumer. Your Budweiser vs French wine argument is more of a class statement. On average poorer people tend to be fatter in the US. Cheap beer is more likely to be consumed by poorer people than an expensive bottle of wine. The problem with lumping all beer together is it does not take into account the specialty beer market and the "food profile" of that consumer.

                                                            The big picture is this. If you consume more calories than you expend, you will get fat. We can all agree on that. My point on the drunk person who will make poor food choices ties back into your "deep fried twinkie" not to this article.

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                                                      jgg13 RE: Chemicalkinetics Sep 13, 2010 07:58 AM

                                                      What if you had someone who drank only cheap wine and compared them to someone who only drank $20-30 a bottle craft beer? How does that fit into your worldview?

                                                2. EWSflash RE: Hershey Bomar Sep 11, 2010 09:34 PM

                                                  Well, last night Mr Mr went to a brewpub for "a few" beers after work, and if you put an R between the A and the T, he did that like a chainsaw all night long. No scapegoat, it was the cause of the chainsaw fa_t.

                                                  1. cowboyardee RE: Hershey Bomar Sep 12, 2010 06:02 AM

                                                    Since no one else seems to have mentioned it, I'll point out that at least some of the 'beer bellies' you've seen are not actually abdominal fat, but a buildup of ascites fluid in the peritoneal cavity. It's a symptom of severe liver disease.

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                                                      Chemicalkinetics RE: cowboyardee Sep 12, 2010 08:20 AM

                                                      That sounds a lot worst than being fat.

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                                                        EWSflash RE: Chemicalkinetics Sep 12, 2010 10:42 AM

                                                        It is a lot worse.

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                                                          Chemicalkinetics RE: EWSflash Sep 12, 2010 11:24 AM

                                                          I know. I am sure we are scaring Hershey Bomar (original poster). Now, he is going to worry about hepatic failure.

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                                                      spinachandchocolate RE: Hershey Bomar Sep 12, 2010 11:02 AM

                                                      No, as others have said calories in calories out. However, with drinking beer it also often includes eating lots of fatty food. You're more likely to each nachos and chili cheese fries with beer than with a Merlot.

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                                                        jeanmarieok RE: spinachandchocolate Sep 13, 2010 08:49 AM

                                                        I would disagree.

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                                                          chowser RE: spinachandchocolate Sep 13, 2010 03:49 PM

                                                          I don't know--a glass of wine makes buffalo wings look awfully tempting. Think I'll go have some now.

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                                                            joonjoon RE: spinachandchocolate Sep 17, 2010 08:15 AM

                                                            You're also more likely to eat lots of cheese, crackers, cured meats, foie gras, etc with wine. Bottom line - food and liquor go great together.

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                                                              chowser RE: joonjoon Sep 17, 2010 09:42 AM

                                                              And, it's generally fattening foods. I've never had sat down with a glass of wine and bunch of broccoli spears. Celery, maybe if it comes with buffalo wings.

                                                          2. Dio Seijuro RE: Hershey Bomar Sep 13, 2010 12:30 PM

                                                            I think a lot of people already know that beer itself is not a particularly fattening beverage. But the terminology is probably useful in conveying the bloated feeling one gets from drinking a lot of it (from carbonation), and in conveying the increased likelihood of overeating while drinking beers.

                                                            If drinking beer makes somebody do stuff that makes them fat, then in effect drinking beer is making them fat indirectly. The science is not correct but logically I am fine with that.

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                                                              thew RE: Dio Seijuro Sep 13, 2010 01:12 PM

                                                              the issue is the calories in beer. not the fat content. nor what you may or may not eat "because" of beer.

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                                                                jgg13 RE: Dio Seijuro Sep 13, 2010 01:18 PM

                                                                A 12 oz bottle of goose island BCS has nearly 500 calories in it. How on earth would that be considered "not a particularly fattening beverage" - you can't defeat the laws of thermodynamics and that is a huge chunk of most peoples daily caloric budgets

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                                                                  Chemicalkinetics RE: Dio Seijuro Sep 13, 2010 01:45 PM

                                                                  Right. A regular beer has about ~140-150 calories, and a lite beer (like Bud Lite) has a bit under <100 calories. Wine, on average, has a little less calories, but not by much. A glass of dry wine has about 100-110 calories, but a sweet dessert wine has >200 calories.

                                                                  The debate is more extensive than "calories in and calories out". The question revolves regarding enzyme mechanism. Is certain metabolic pathways being shutdown of block by beer component but not wine.

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                                                                  smkit RE: Hershey Bomar Sep 14, 2010 10:03 PM

                                                                  This is an interesting article relating to a lot of what has been talked about in this thread. Men versus women, wine versus beer etc.

                                                                  http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/03...

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                                                                    smkit RE: Hershey Bomar Sep 14, 2010 10:06 PM

                                                                    Then there is this one too.

                                                                    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/hea...

                                                                    Here is a quote from the article: "It is thought that alcohol is broken down by the liver using a different metabolic pathway to create heat, rather than fat."

                                                                    Food (or alcohol) for thought.

                                                                    1. JuniorBalloon RE: Hershey Bomar Nov 20, 2010 05:26 PM

                                                                      OMG! I drink beer and wine. I'm doooooomed.

                                                                      :(

                                                                      jb

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                                                                        Chemicalkinetics RE: JuniorBalloon Nov 21, 2010 05:44 AM

                                                                        Admittance is the first step to recovery

                                                                      2. ZenSojourner RE: Hershey Bomar Nov 21, 2010 09:57 AM

                                                                        Beer doesn't make you fat.

                                                                        DRINKING beer makes you fat.

                                                                        >:D

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                                                                          Dumbascot RE: Hershey Bomar Jan 24, 2011 06:06 PM

                                                                          I've been thinking about this topic myself and I think that there are three things that make alcohol of any kind particularly bad for someone struggling with their weight:
                                                                          1. Calories. If you're not being careful, it's easy to drink heavy beers that have well over 150 calories each. Drink 6 and that's 900 calories. Prefer booze? A regular rum and coke doubles the calories per drink because of the sugar in the soda, so after 6 drinks you've ingested 1200 calories. Fancy drinks are even worse. Wine's probably best.
                                                                          2. Munchies. It just seems to me that after a few drinks, my body wishes for something to soak it all up with. There's also an issue with impulse control and reduced inhibitions after getting tipsy. Whatever the reason, it seems that the drinks lead to extra food every time, so add at least 600 - 1000 more calories on top of the original calories.
                                                                          3. Sedation. Though you might dance at first, alcohol will make you tired and hung over so that overall, you will want to move less than you would, burning fewer calories.

                                                                          Guesonomics...I'm guessing that for every $50 - $100 you spend on alcohol, you gain at least 1 pound that you can't shake easily until you quit drinking for a while.

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